[News] Is There An Eventual Terrell Suggs Replacement In The Draft?

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With Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs, 34, on the back nine of his career, Baltimore could look for instant pass rush now and a long-term replacement down the road. Three NFL draft analysts weighed in on who that could be.

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[ellicottraven]

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

[glen ferguson]

If we were to trade back say ten spot does anyone know whats the best value we could get for doing so? I think getting an extra 2nd or 3rd would worth it.

[CaliRavenFan]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

Im thinking it will be Hasson Reddick or Adoree Jackson as the dark horses. I would love Taco if he is still sitting there, he is just scratching the surface of his potential and would start opposite of Sizzle this year.

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, glen ferguson said:

If we were to trade back say ten spot does anyone know whats the best value we could get for doing so? I think getting an extra 2nd or 3rd would worth it.

Moving back ten spots would probably land us a late second to early third and change. But that would be an extremely risky proposition. There's a pritty steep drop off in talent after pick 20ish. I wouldn't mind moving back a few of the draft is mean to us but no later than 20. Second round is also risky because we're sitting right at the dropoff point. If we move back in the first it should be to move up in the second.

Edited March 24 by Halshayeji

[sizzlingdoom]

  3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

Im thinking it will be Hasson Reddick or Adoree Jackson as the dark horses. I would love Taco if he is still sitting there, he is just scratching the surface of his potential and would start opposite of Sizzle this year.

I don't like Reddick at 16, I don't think we need another small LB. Esp. at 16 in this draft. Adoree Jackson looks interesting. Awesome return guy, which would really help us. He seems like a talented corner, but really raw, and not ready. Which means he May be an asset next year, but I think 16 would be a huge stretch for him. I know what you mean as a dark horse pick though, he has a high ceiling. I just think if we take someone at 16, they should contribute right away. I'm with you on Taco! Putting him opposite Suggs would be fun. Seems like he could also play both the OLB and DE role as well. The dline makes such a bigger impact when they're swatting and tipping balls, and it seems like we haven't done that much since Ngata left. Taco could do that for sure. Carl Lawson is my dark horse for 16

[sizzlingdoom]

If we were to trade back say ten spot does anyone know whats the best value we could get for doing so? I think getting an extra 2nd or 3rd would worth it.

I don't know the value and what exactly we would get, but I would think we'd be able to at least pick up a late 3rd or 2nd. I also think we need to do that 100%. I think the talent level between players 16-50 in this draft is very marginal. So many awesome first rounders will go in the second this year. I think we should trade back for sure
I think Carl Lawson and Ju Ju Smith are MUST grabs for the Ravens, and at this point it looks like they're both going early second

[sizzlingdoom]

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

Carl Lawson is a Beast. I think he's underrated. Could be a big dark horse

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

Great post.

you listed 9 guys that are absolutely top 10 talents and I'd add 3 more guys to the list as home runs if we can land one. 

ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis 

OT Ramszcysk

il also add Garrett, Solomon Thomas, and Allen who are probably no brainers at this point (just to make the list 12 players) that are worth taking regardless of what we have on our roster. Let's call these guys (1A)

Robinson, Ross, Cook, and Barnett are good players to pick at 16 but each one has a little dent on his full package. Let's call these guys (1B) I would start rooting for the guy day one but my greed wants (1A)

the way I look at it is that we need 4 guys outside of 1A to get drafted in the top 15 in order for us to land a 1A guy. Someone like Quincy Wilson CB Fla or Howard TE Alabama. Maybe a QB or two in the top 15 would be nice. Any of the 12 listed (1A) would feel like CJ Mosley all over again and I'd celebrate winning the draft early.

 

 

[Halshayeji]

18 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't know the value and what exactly we would get, but I would think we'd be able to at least pick up a late 3rd or 2nd. I also think we need to do that 100%. I think the talent level between players 16-50 in this draft is very marginal. So many awesome first rounders will go in the second this year. I think we should trade back for sure
I think Carl Lawson and Ju Ju Smith are MUST grabs for the Ravens, and at this point it looks like they're both going early second

I agree on the talent from16-50. Those guys are impressive but please excuse my greed. If the stars align, we get a top 10 talent at 16 and a first round talent in the second. Heck move up a few picks in the second if you have to.

[Halshayeji]

Please watch Ryan Andersons OLB Alabama film. Tell me he's not Suggs 2.0...... 

Edited March 24 by Halshayeji

[sizzlingdoom]

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't know the value and what exactly we would get, but I would think we'd be able to at least pick up a late 3rd or 2nd. I also think we need to do that 100%. I think the talent level between players 16-50 in this draft is very marginal. So many awesome first rounders will go in the second this year. I think we should trade back for sure
I think Carl Lawson and Ju Ju Smith are MUST grabs for the Ravens, and at this point it looks like they're both going early second

I agree on the talent from16-50. Those guys are impressive but please excuse my greed. If the stars align, we get a top 10 talent at 16 and a first round talent in the second. Heck move up a few picks in the second if you have to.

I hear that completely. And agree. I'm just trying to figure out what potential top 10 talent could fall to 16.
I would be all in on Corey Davis for one example. Can't see much else
Like Barnett...maybe. But I love the value, and almost player separately, of taking someone like Carl Lawson 20 picks later.
In all sincerity, I prefer Ju Ju Smith over Mike Williams, short term for sure. Probably long term as well. And he'll probably go 20 picks later at least than Mike as well.
I hear ya. I just can't get over this 2nd round that's gonna happen in this draft

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I hear that completely. And agree. I'm just trying to figure out what potential top 10 talent could fall to 16.
I would be all in on Corey Davis for one example. Can't see much else
Like Barnett...maybe. But I love the value, and almost player separately, of taking someone like Carl Lawson 20 picks later.
In all sincerity, I prefer Ju Ju Smith over Mike Williams, short term for sure. Probably long term as well. And he'll probably go 20 picks later at least than Mike as well.
I hear ya. I just can't get over this 2nd round that's gonna happen in this draft

Oh my my. I'm already licking my chops... It's gonna be a delicious second round indeed 

[sizzlingdoom]

Please watch Ryan Andersons OLB Alabama film. Tell me he's not Suggs 2.0...... 

He looks awesome no doubt. I would be stoked if he played in Doom's spot. Not only can he rush the passer but he looks gritty and determined vs the run too. I wouldn't want to take him at 47 I don't think. But a little after that would work for sure

[GENE2407]

As long as he's an academic scholar and goes to church 4 times a week (and has a high motor), we're sure to draft him.

[Chuckx999]

We need to find another Ray Lewis. Someone who not only can be a HOF LB but a strong presence on the field, kick players in the butt to keep them playing at a high level the whole game. After 45 minutes a lot of our players and coaches seem to decide to take the fourth quarter off. The Steelers game was a perfect example. So it's NOT just the players that may need to be replaced!!

[BiggMack91]

i think barnett is the only one that some how could slide to us (doubtful) thats truly worth the 16th pick the rest of these guys are good but then I think of judon and smith and if they draft a OLB pass rusher whats it say to those guys the only gut i see us going after is anderson from al and if we do it will be in the 3rd round or late 2nd

[hen826957]

2 hours ago, BiggMack91 said:

i think barnett is the only one that some how could slide to us (doubtful) thats truly worth the 16th pick the rest of these guys are good but then I think of judon and smith and if they draft a OLB pass rusher whats it say to those guys the only gut i see us going after is anderson from al and if we do it will be in the 3rd round or late 2nd

I like Derek Barnett as well in the first round as to l only think that he could be similar to Suggs is. I wouldn't mind drafted him in the first round if Mike Williams and Corey Davis are off the board and he's still on the board. That's is a great pick for Ozzie. 👍

Edited March 24 by hen826957

[Drew P]

3 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

As long as he's an academic scholar and goes to church 4 times a week (and has a high motor), we're sure to draft him.

Sounds like Mcaffrey is the pick

[billiejean]

i think barnett is the only one that some how could slide to us (doubtful) thats truly worth the 16th pick the rest of these guys are good but then I think of judon and smith and if they draft a OLB pass rusher whats it say to those guys the only gut i see us going after is anderson from al and if we do it will be in the 3rd round or late 2nd

If there is guy we like at pass rusher we wont pass him up just because we have got other young guys at the position. Judon did look impressive last year but Z, as of last season has not been an efficient pass rusher so far in his career. I am optimistic about those guys improving but I don't think relying those guys to bring a consistent pass rush is a good move. One area that gets overlooked in our inability to hold on to leads in the 4th quarter is the pass rush. The reason that it isnt there is because those guys are sucking wind late in the games. We need more quality depth at the position for this year and next.

[hen826957]

3 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

We need to find another Ray Lewis. Someone who not only can be a HOF LB but a strong presence on the field, kick players in the butt to keep them playing at a high level the whole game. After 45 minutes a lot of our players and coaches seem to decide to take the fourth quarter off. The Steelers game was a perfect example. So it's NOT just the players that may need to be replaced!!

That's is very hard to find another Ray Lewis. I don't think there will ever be another Ray Lewis. Ray is one of a kind leader. 👍

Edited March 24 by hen826957

[ellicottraven]

10 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Great post.

you listed 9 guys that are absolutely top 10 talents and I'd add 3 more guys to the list as home runs if we can land one. 

ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis 

OT Ramszcysk

il also add Garrett, Solomon Thomas, and Allen who are probably no brainers at this point (just to make the list 12 players) that are worth taking regardless of what we have on our roster. Let's call these guys (1A)

Robinson, Ross, Cook, and Barnett are good players to pick at 16 but each one has a little dent on his full package. Let's call these guys (1B) I would start rooting for the guy day one but my greed wants (1A)

the way I look at it is that we need 4 guys outside of 1A to get drafted in the top 15 in order for us to land a 1A guy. Someone like Quincy Wilson CB Fla or Howard TE Alabama. Maybe a QB or two in the top 15 would be nice. Any of the 12 listed (1A) would feel like CJ Mosley all over again and I'd celebrate winning the draft early.

 

 

Precisely!

[rossihunter2]

Derek Barnett might be the best pass rusher in the draft, even over garrett, i can't believe some media guys still think he'll fall to the late 1st - i guess if he does then all the better for us at 16 but I struggle to see him get past the bengals, saints, eagles and colts - if he does then we should get usain bolt in to run that namecard to the podium

[Crusader]

  15 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

None of the above. Barnett is the only one I would take at 16. The only other LBer I would consider in the first would be Rueben Foster but I doubt he gets to us. I think here's a list of players I wouldn't mind taking in the first.
CBs: Lattimore, Humphrey (Humphrey possible)
Safety: Jamal Adams or Malik Hooker (both doubtful)
RBs: Fournette, Cook or McCafferty ( I think we may have a chance at Cook or McCafferty)
WRs: Any of the top 3 - Williams, Davis or Ross (reluctantly)
OT: Cam Robinson or Ramszcysk.
I believe we'll surprise everybody by taking somebody we haven't thought about in the first that'll shock us first, intrigue us next and make us giddy with joy last.

Great post.

you listed 9 guys that are absolutely top 10 talents and I'd add 3 more guys to the list as home runs if we can land one. 

ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis 

OT Ramszcysk

il also add Garrett, Solomon Thomas, and Allen who are probably no brainers at this point (just to make the list 12 players) that are worth taking regardless of what we have on our roster. Let's call these guys (1A)

Robinson, Ross, Cook, and Barnett are good players to pick at 16 but each one has a little dent on his full package. Let's call these guys (1B) I would start rooting for the guy day one but my greed wants (1A)

the way I look at it is that we need 4 guys outside of 1A to get drafted in the top 15 in order for us to land a 1A guy. Someone like Quincy Wilson CB Fla or Howard TE Alabama. Maybe a QB or two in the top 15 would be nice. Any of the 12 listed (1A) would feel like CJ Mosley all over again and I'd celebrate winning the draft early.

 

 

Question When 16 comes around and by some miracle there still there who do you pick in which order? I would go Hooker or Thomas.
ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, Crusader said:

Question When 16 comes around and by some miracle there still there who do you pick in which order? I would go Hooker or Thomas.
ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis

Wow tough question. I honestly would be happy with any of the 12. Idk I'd have to go pass rush. Garrett, Allen, and Thomas are just animals but probably going top 5. Hooker and Adams are also Animals! But probably won't fall out of the top 10.

that leaves

1-CB Lattimore 

2- CB Humphries (I know Iv been raving about the CBs in the second but if one of these 2 falls I take all that back. These 2 are shut up and "change your plan" type players)

3- ILB Foster (just imagining him and Mosley gives me shivers)

4- Williams WR

5- Lattimore RB 

6- ramzchak OL (however it's spelled lol)

7- Davis WR

thats my preference at the moment

you? 

Edited March 24 by Halshayeji

[Tenacious Faulker]

More Taco please! He had a 4.7 40 in his Pro Day (.22 sec better than Combine and faster than Suggs) and he's huge. He's also linked to the Ravens because of the Harbaugh bros and I thin John will take Jim's word on him. If they don't go offense and CBs are flying off the board Taco should be our man.

[ellicottraven]

4 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Wow tough question. I honestly would be happy with any of the 12. Idk I'd have to go pass rush. Garrett, Allen, and Thomas are just animals but probably going top 5. Hooker and Adams are also Animals! But probably won't fall out of the top 10.

that leaves

1-CB Lattimore 

2- CB Humphries (I know Iv been raving about the CBs in the second but if one of these 2 falls I take all that back. These 2 are shut up and "change your plan" type players)

3- ILB Foster (just imagining him and Mosley gives me shivers)

4- Williams WR

5- Lattimore RB 

6- ramzchak OL (however it's spelled lol)

7- Davis WR

thats my preference at the moment

you? 

 

6 hours ago, Crusader said:

Question When 16 comes around and by some miracle there still there who do you pick in which order? I would go Hooker or Thomas.
ILB Foster

CB Lattimore, Humphfries

S Adams, Hooker

RB Lattimore

WR Williams, Davis

Here's my priority if all of those players magically came available at !6. 

Adams (simply because of his off the charts leadership and great talent - a combination that in the past has led to HOF players)

Foster (Incredible complement to Mosley)

Hooker (great player)

Lattimore (CB - He is a shut down corner pure and simple).

Fournette (Game changer - will win us games single handedly on offense)

Davis (will make catches outside his catch radius and will what Julio is to Ryan)

M. Williams ( Same as above except not that dynamic and fast but will improve Joe's stats by leaps and bounds).

Humphries (Pretty close to being a lock down corner but doesn't come down with 50-50 balls)

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

 

Here's my priority if all of those players magically came available at !6. 

Adams (simply because of his off the charts leadership and great talent - a combination that in the past has led to HOF players)

Foster (Incredible complement to Mosley)

Hooker (great player)

Lattimore (CB - He is a shut down corner pure and simple).

Fournette (Game changer - will win us games single handedly on offense)

Davis (will make catches outside his catch radius and will what Julio is to Ryan)

M. Williams ( Same as above except not that dynamic and fast but will improve Joe's stats by leaps and bounds).

Humphries (Pretty close to being a lock down corner but doesn't come down with 50-50 balls)

Nice! It's like you and I are watching the same film 

[Jonah DeVito]

On 3/24/2017 at 1:31 AM, Halshayeji said:

Moving back ten spots would probably land us a late second to early third and change. But that would be an extremely risky proposition. There's a pritty steep drop off in talent after pick 20ish. I wouldn't mind moving back a few of the draft is mean to us but no later than 20. Second round is also risky because we're sitting right at the dropoff point. If we move back in the first it should be to move up in the second.

There's roughly 2 rounds full of 1st round talent. 20 or 28, we are still getting an impact player. 

[Jonah DeVito]

13 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Derek Barnett might be the best pass rusher in the draft, even over garrett, i can't believe some media guys still think he'll fall to the late 1st - i guess if he does then all the better for us at 16 but I struggle to see him get past the bengals, saints, eagles and colts - if he does then we should get usain bolt in to run that namecard to the podium

I would be ecstatic if he fell to us. He should probably easily be a top ten pick.