[News] Late For Work 3/23: Kyle Juszczyk, Kamar Aiken Speak Out About Leaving Ravens

[hen826957]

3 hours ago, billiejean said:

I cant really tell if you are serious or if you are being sarcastic but either way I would check out thet guys they have.  They  D haven't put all the pieces together yet and didn't have as good a year statistically as the Ravens did last yea,r but they have a lot of young guys at key positions.  Once that D starts clicking the Raiders are going to be a tough team to beat.  There offense is already in the top 5.  That 2014 draft was special and was the catalyst that has turned that team around.  Carr - one of the best young QBs in the league.  Mack - one of the best pass rushers in the league. And in the next draft they picked up amari cooper, one of the best young recievers in the league.  They hit on a few others that year as well.  Jack should certainly get some credit as well the FO.  Although if you are GM and have three consecutive season where you pick in the top 5 it increases you chance of hitting.  But regardless of that they have found some guys in the laster rounds and Carr in the second was a slam dunk

Yeah, the Raiders been hitting most of those picks usually because they been bad for so long and kept picking at the top 10 picks for many years. Their top players mostly been in the top 10 picks. The Raiders got some good pieces then in there on defense. I still like the Ravens though imo as of now. They do got a better pass rush because of Mack though. There team is in better shape as a whole as in talent wise and cap wise but they do will have to pay Carr, Cooper, and Mack top dollar in the future.

Edited March 24 by hen826957

[sizzlingdoom]

Wagner, Juszczyk, Orr, and Guy I believe are hug loses for the Ravens. I re watched Ravens vs Skins and Ravens vs Eagles and Guy was awesome. No articles on Guy leaving but that's going to show this season Compare that to what Ravens gained.

Wagner was a loss but you can't keep everyone. Plus he got so much money. I'm extremely glad we didn't resign Juice or Aiken. I can't believe how much money Guy got, that's ridiculous.
We kept Bwill. Added a durable and underrated corner, that will play close to a pro bowl level on our defense imo.
Most of all, we added a young, amazing safety, that can cover, and hits and blitzs like a LB. Rated as the 2nd best run defender in the NFL. He essentially replaces Webb in Run defense. Our run Defense is going to be Better. Our overall defense is going to be better. Much better.
Not to mention there are big talented Men on the roster that need to hit the field in place of Guy.
I'm excited about and waiting to watch Carl Davis, Urban, Willie Henry, and Pierce. Plus the draft.
I couldn't be much more stoked on how the Ravens handled FA.

[rmcjacket23]

  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well we don't really know what the Browns were offering, but my guess is he didn't leave much money behind. We don't even know if the guaranteed money was much different either.

I will almost guarantee that it wasn't a case of the Browns offering like $12M a year and him choosing the Ravens for like $8.5M. We're talking maybe $1M a year difference in most of these cases.

Jefferson himself said he turned down 1.5m per yesr to accept the Ravens offer. 

Yup, so not much. Also don't know what the guaranteed money difference was or if there was one.

[rmcjacket23]

  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  21 hours ago, fusuymada said:

I said for four years while Pitta was out that we had a great talent in Juszczyk and we totally underutilized him. Aiken didn't make it on several teams and in his entire career he had one season where he had almost 1000 yard season and the best he can ever hope for is a 3rd or 4th receiver. Juszxzyk however, was another Danny Woodhead but better. He can run as well, is a better pass receiver, and he can also block when necessary which Woodhead can not do.

I am not a person to call for the coaches head, but the decisions to hire the OC's we have has been horrible except for the one where Ozzie told John he was hiring Kubiak and that was the best coach that Harbaugh ever hired but Harbaugh never hired him. I am seeing this team turn into a dumpster fire and if we don't have a playoff season this year, it is time to move on from Harbaugh as he has lost complete focus, or never had it, on what was important.

Source where Ozzie told John to hire Kubiak?

Pretty sure that didn't actually happen. Most likely a fan-generated myth.

The closest article I found. "The last tweet from Baltimore Sun columnist Mike Preston is telling, considering that Jim Hostler was leading the way for the job it seemed. That would insinuate that Harbaugh wanted Hostler and that Ozzie Newsome and Steve Bisciotti were thinking otherwise."

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2014/1/27/5350924/ravens-to-hire-gary-kubiak-as-offensive-coordinator-official

Preston also makes stuff up all the time too, so needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[AlphaWolf]

I feel that Juice and Kamar had very legit complaints, and that the problem is the bromance Flacco has with Pitta. Joe locks in on Pitta far too much, and our opponents defenses know that. Good and Great QB's/Offensive teams spread the ball around, are unpredictable. If you have a Superstar such as Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, or Gronk, then sure, you're going to over use them. Pitta is NOT that good. Joe needs to use ALL of his weapons.

[Drinkmore Beer]

Don't know what Kiper is smoking, but no way Ravens are taking an OT at #1 if Williams, Davis, Ross, Barnett, or Foster are still on the board. Juice is gone because SF is willing to pay him much more $$$ than he's worth. As for Aiken, Indy must REALLY be unhappy with Philip Dorsett.

[rmcjacket23]

I feel that Juice and Kamar had very legit complaints, and that the problem is the bromance Flacco has with Pitta. Joe locks in on Pitta far too much, and our opponents defenses know that. Good and Great QB's/Offensive teams spread the ball around, are unpredictable. If you have a Superstar such as Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, or Gronk, then sure, you're going to over use them. Pitta is NOT that good. Joe needs to use ALL of his weapons.

Pretty much a myth based on 2016 statistics. Look at the targets/game:

Pitta: 7.4
Wallace: 7.3
Smith: 6.4
Perriman: 4.1
Aiken: 3.1

So Pitta and Wallace were targeted at nearly the same rate, and Steve Smith was only targeted once per game less.

Pretty typical for a team with no clear #1 target. Spread out pretty evenly over the top 2-3 players, and then a drop off to the next group.

I will agree that Pitta's targets numbers are higher than we normally see from him and probably higher than they should be given his skill sets, but he's getting as much attention as Wallace was, and not significantly more than Steve Smith either.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Preston also makes stuff up all the time too, so needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I so agree with this. Mike Preston's job is to stir up controversy. Not a reliable source by a long shot.

[Purple Dawg 96]

I feel that Juice and Kamar had very legit complaints, and that the problem is the bromance Flacco has with Pitta. Joe locks in on Pitta far too much, and our opponents defenses know that. Good and Great QB's/Offensive teams spread the ball around, are unpredictable. If you have a Superstar such as Julio Jones, Antonio Brown, or Gronk, then sure, you're going to over use them. Pitta is NOT that good. Joe needs to use ALL of his weapons.

WORD!

[mhead66]

 

I read more and more people saying our 1st rounder should be for a WR.

Out of the top 20 WRs this past season, only 7 were drafted in the 1st round.

Five of the top 20 WRs last year were either 6th round, 7th round or undrafted free agents:

Antonio Brown, 6th

Pierre Garcon, 6th

Julian Edelman, 7th

Doug Baldwin, UDFA

Tyrell Williams, UDFA

Talented WRs can be found in later rounds, but without an offensive line, the best WR in the draft will be of no use.

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, mhead66 said:

 

I read more and more people saying our 1st rounder should be for a WR.

Out of the top 20 WRs this past season, only 7 were drafted in the 1st round.

Five of the top 20 WRs last year were either 6th round, 7th round or undrafted free agents:

Antonio Brown, 6th

Pierre Garcon, 6th

Julian Edelman, 7th

Doug Baldwin, UDFA

Tyrell Williams, UDFA

Talented WRs can be found in later rounds, but without an offensive line, the best WR in the draft will be of no use.

There were a lot of injuries at that position last year though so the stats don't tell the whole story:

my top 20 wrs in the league at the moment:

antonio brown, Julio Jones, aj green, mike Evans, OBJ, kelvin benjamin, dez Bryant, Deandre hopkins, Amari cooper, Larry Fitzgerald, Doug Baldwin, Alshon jeffrey, Allen Robinson, pierre garçon, desean jackson, jordy nelson, demaryius thomas, ty Hilton, Julian Edelman, Keenan Allen

11 first rounders in that group - that means more than half of the best receivers do come from the first round, and apart from Edelman, brown, Baldwin an garçon the other guys were all taken by the end of day 2 - so you are right that you can find wrs later (like other positions) but it's much more likely the earlier you draft one

[Purple Punishment]

On 3/23/2017 at 10:59 AM, ludy51 said:

My first thought as well

He worked his butt off and stepped up big time only to be buried on the depth chart after proving himself. That's not whining. It's honest

[Purple Punishment]

On 3/24/2017 at 0:24 PM, OriolesMagicPlease said:

I so agree with this. Mike Preston's job is to stir up controversy. Not a reliable source by a long shot.

I always thought he was an anti-Raven

[Glen1024]

On 3/23/2017 at 11:50 AM, budman said:

Totally disagree. Our offensive success has to be credited at least in part to the coaches. The inmates do not run the asylum in Bmore. Players just cant say screw them, I'm doing it this way. Credit is rarely given where it is due. So I guess the coaches had nothing to do with winning the Superbowl in New Orleans, it was all Ray Lewis and the players.

The players had a near mutiny on harbaugh our superbowl year,the team was falling apart losing I think 5 of the last 7 with one of those wins being ray rices 4th and 29 conversion. So yes I think it's more than plausible to give the credit to Ray Lewis coming back and announcing his last ride got the guys more focused and motivated then these coaches ever could have... especially with the mood and tone of that lockeroom before he came back.

Also harbaugh was FORCED to fire Cam Cameron because of the frustration with the offense and how conservative it was despite having plenty of weapons. Yes it was players who stepped it up coaching deserve some credit but make no mistake those players made it happen. If any coach you'd give a great deal of credit to it would be Caldwell who finally started being aggressive with the play calling.....McKinney getting out of haubaugh dog house was big to so give coach credit for putting his ego aside and getting out of the way