[News] 2017 Draft Profile: DE/OLB Charles Harris

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The defensive end/linebacker comes from a long line of productive Missouri pass rushers. He’s explosive off the snap, has a big frame and shows good pursuit. The biggest question is how he handles the run.

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[sami]

This guy is not a top 16 pick.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

He reminds me as a more raw Suggs. The fact he did not start playing until high school tells me he has room to grow still ,expecially in his knowledge fo the game, position and technique. Great round 2 selection if available, maybe a round 1 trade back.

[bigcatfrank1]

Harris looks, to me, to be a deep on the list guy, I think the Ravens will have others on the board ahead of him available to pick from.
I think Charlton and Barnett would rank ahead of him, even Foster and Reddick might be listed above him by the Ravens FO for front 7 choices.

However I think the Ravens will be looking at Humphreys, Davis, Cook, Charlton, Foster or Peppers at 16. with long shot on MIke Williams or Solomon Thomas.

my guess, staying with reality are , Humphrey's or Cook

[Purple Dawg 96]

Charles Harris strengths can probably out weigh his weaknesses and he mite be worth taking a look at! Our Defense did good last season the Offense left them hanging so taking a chance with a kid like this wouldn't be too bad! Thus is no "Rest Haven" for veterans save money and get them fresh off the shelf sorta speak!

[RavensDieHard21]

If we were drafting in our old position of 24-30, this kid would be a dynamite hit. At 16 though, he is a little rich. 

I love what he will bring to the table though. We had a good defense last year, but we ranked 30th in the pass rush department according to PFF. Pair that with a thin secondary and hello 8-8. But we now have Jefferson and Carr, hopefully another corner within the third round too. Now if we add Harris into the equation, we then will be much much better as a unit once we get a young speed rusher. 

Harris would be similar to Doom early on. We would depend on him for the same things essentially, which is to get to the passer in obvious passing situations. When he gets deployed on third and long, he will be effective, but trying to have him set the edge will have the same results as Doom until he either gets either better coaching or is embraced as a pure pass rusher specialist. 

If we get any offers to trade back with the Buccaneers or Giants, he would be a nice pick up.

[ellicottraven]

Frankly the only pass rusher I wouldn't mind taking at 16 is Barnett. Otherwise I want one of the top 2-3 receivers, or RBs or CBs if they're available. Other than that I would settle for an O- Tackle like Robinson or Ramzsyk.

[sizzlingdoom]

He reminds me as a more raw Suggs. The fact he did not start playing until high school tells me he has room to grow still ,expecially in his knowledge fo the game, position and technique. Great round 2 selection if available, maybe a round 1 trade back.

I like this guy. If he's able to add 10-15 pounds of functional strength, look out. I feel ya with the raw Sizzle comparison. I think 16 would be a little rich for me, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's off the board before 16 too. No way he makes it to day 2

[sizzlingdoom]

If we were drafting in our old position of 24-30, this kid would be a dynamite hit. At 16 though, he is a little rich. 

I love what he will bring to the table though. We had a good defense last year, but we ranked 30th in the pass rush department according to PFF. Pair that with a thin secondary and hello 8-8. But we now have Jefferson and Carr, hopefully another corner within the third round too. Now if we add Harris into the equation, we then will be much much better as a unit once we get a young speed rusher. 

Harris would be similar to Doom early on. We would depend on him for the same things essentially, which is to get to the passer in obvious passing situations. When he gets deployed on third and long, he will be effective, but trying to have him set the edge will have the same results as Doom until he either gets either better coaching or is embraced as a pure pass rusher specialist. 

If we get any offers to trade back with the Buccaneers or Giants, he would be a nice pick up.

I agree. I would love to move back 5-10 spots and take him. While grabbing maybe an extra second and fourth. So much first round talent going in the second round this year. Ju Ju Smith is exactly what we need now, and to pair with Perriman for the future.
In any other draft, this would sound pretty ridiculous, but I'm hoping we can get 3 immediate starters/impact players by the end of round 2 this year. And that "Doom role" qualifies as a starter role imo. It's a crucial one.
A couple examples would be
pick 24: Charles Harris
pick 47: Ju Ju Smith
pick 56: Chidobe Awuzie

pick 19: Ryan Ramczyk
pick 47: Carl Lawson
pick 50: Ju Ju Smith

Then add Ethan Pocic in the third in either scenario and boom, our team is ready to take down anyone

Either way, I think it's pretty clear we're going to add some defense/pass rusher pretty high in the draft. I think us fans are in for a treat next year when it comes to the Defense

[sizzlingdoom]

I like Charles Harris, but I'm pretty sure I like Carl Lawson more. Not to mention is looks pretty clear at this point that he'll be taken a bit later than Harris.
Can't help but think about the draft, so here's my ideal draft. Dig it, or pick away it, all opinions welcomed.
It includes a trade with the Raiders- not sure if the trade value is right but I'm guessing it would be something similar to this-
Ravens get picks #24, #56, and # 129
Raiders get picks #16 (maybe we need to throw in a 5th or 6th as well)

Ravens 2017 Draft

pick # 24 Ryan Ramczyk -OT- Best in this class
pick # 47 Carl Lawson -edge setter and rusher- impactful 3 down player imo
pick # 56 Ju Ju Smith -PLEASE! wr - Exact type we need
pick # 78 Sidney Jones -Cb
pick # 99 Ethan Pocic -Center

Boom. We're set. We would still have 2 4th rounders as well. I'd probably be looking for a speed rb/returner, and another corner with those picks.

I think it's pretty doubtful at this point that we'll sign Zach Brown. You never know though. Regardless, I think the spot we're looking to fill won't be hard to fill. Especially for the Ravens. It will be a position that will just be surrounded by studs in every direction. It's also possible Patrick Onwausor or KC-(kinda doubt KC is) are ready to step into that role. Jefferson can definitely a LB role in certain packages too. So I think filling that spot next to Mosely is the least of our worries. Teams are still going to cut vets too. It'd be nice if a cheap steal became available. The SSS pick up was unreal. Too bad we couldn't send him out in style.

I sincerely believe this would make us absolutely and completely set. Without giving up any future picks too. Go Raven!

[law215]

I like the idea of the Ravens taking the BPA at a position of need at #16. I think the mistake Ravens made in the past few drafts is to assign a draft position to a player and move back or pass on a position of need expecting blue chip talent to at the next pick. If Charles Harris is the BPA at pass rusher and there are no CB, S, Wr rated higher, then take him at #16.

The players I would consider ahead on him are Wr Mike Williams, RB Fournette,
CB Conley, Humphrey.

S J. Peppers could be a dime LB and safety once Weddle gets too old. I think he can grow into the position down the road, but is a guy that can be a playmaker and add speed to the defense right away. Definitely will add swag and alpha persona to the defense.

Then Harris or Tak who I think will grow into pro bowl pass rushers. They would be worth a little reach now for a beast by next year.

From what I hear, this is a weak Oline class, so I am thinking they are looking for a playmaker at pick #16.

If Ravens don't pick secondary in round 1 , then it becomes a need in round 2. I think the draft is deep at pass rusher and secondary , but at #16 they need an immediate impact.

[sizzlingdoom]

I like Charles Harris, but I like Carl Lawson more (way more after watching highlights again just now). And Lawson is going later in the draft.
Carl Lawson is easily one of the strongest, nastiest, and toughest football players I've ever seen. Go watch his tape please! He's insane!!!
I think Ju Ju Smith and Carl Lawson are MUST grabs for the Ravens. Long term and short term fixes in so many ways. Kinda looks like they're both going in the second at this point, but who knows. This draft is insane. So many of the second rounders this year would be high first rounders in a lot of drafts imo

[sizzlingdoom]

Charles Harris and Carl Lawson are both edge players.
Almost every mock has Harris going in the first round and Lawson in the second.......here are Lawson's youtube highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPLgY350nI
He honestly looks like a top 10 pick to me. Am I missing something??

[BMoreDuck]

5 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Charles Harris and Carl Lawson are both edge players.
Almost every mock has Harris going in the first round and Lawson in the second.......here are Lawson's youtube highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPLgY350nI
He honestly looks like a top 10 pick to me. Am I missing something??

Lawson got owned by Cameron Robinson and Jonah Williams. Both are 1st rd caliber tackles though so it makes sense. Lawson in the 2nd wouldn't be a bad pick.

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I agree. I would love to move back 5-10 spots and take him. While grabbing maybe an extra second and fourth. So much first round talent going in the second round this year. Ju Ju Smith is exactly what we need now, and to pair with Perriman for the future.
In any other draft, this would sound pretty ridiculous, but I'm hoping we can get 3 immediate starters/impact players by the end of round 2 this year. And that "Doom role" qualifies as a starter role imo. It's a crucial one.
A couple examples would be
pick 24: Charles Harris
pick 47: Ju Ju Smith
pick 56: Chidobe Awuzie

pick 19: Ryan Ramczyk
pick 47: Carl Lawson
pick 50: Ju Ju Smith

Then add Ethan Pocic in the third in either scenario and boom, our team is ready to take down anyone

Either way, I think it's pretty clear we're going to add some defense/pass rusher pretty high in the draft. I think us fans are in for a treat next year when it comes to the Defense

I am all about getting the extra picks this year. We just need someone valuable sitting at 16 that we don't exactly need from a positional standpoint.  

The thing this year is there are at least 50 players that could go in the first so I just want as many picks as possible early. Guys like Harris and Tim Williams are needed, but could they possibly be there in the second? They might. 

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I like Charles Harris, but I like Carl Lawson more (way more after watching highlights again just now). And Lawson is going later in the draft.
Carl Lawson is easily one of the strongest, nastiest, and toughest football players I've ever seen. Go watch his tape please! He's insane!!!
I think Ju Ju Smith and Carl Lawson are MUST grabs for the Ravens. Long term and short term fixes in so many ways. Kinda looks like they're both going in the second at this point, but who knows. This draft is insane. So many of the second rounders this year would be high first rounders in a lot of drafts imo

I love Lawson, so much potential. His injury history just scares the heck out of me unless we got him in the second. Talent alone warrants a top 20 pick.

[Drinkmore Beer]

This guy is not a top 16 pick.

I agree. Might as well draft Matt Elam again. Need top talent at #16.

[sizzlingdoom]

  2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I like Charles Harris, but I like Carl Lawson more (way more after watching highlights again just now). And Lawson is going later in the draft.
Carl Lawson is easily one of the strongest, nastiest, and toughest football players I've ever seen. Go watch his tape please! He's insane!!!
I think Ju Ju Smith and Carl Lawson are MUST grabs for the Ravens. Long term and short term fixes in so many ways. Kinda looks like they're both going in the second at this point, but who knows. This draft is insane. So many of the second rounders this year would be high first rounders in a lot of drafts imo

I love Lawson, so much potential. His injury history just scares the heck out of me unless we got him in the second. Talent alone warrants a top 20 pick.

That's what I was thinking. I don't know about his injury history. But on tape the guy easily looks like a top 20 pick to me. Top 10-15 even imo

[Crusader]

"Lacks desired glass-chewing mentality against the run." That's not "Play Like a Raven".

[sizzlingdoom]

  4 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I agree. I would love to move back 5-10 spots and take him. While grabbing maybe an extra second and fourth. So much first round talent going in the second round this year. Ju Ju Smith is exactly what we need now, and to pair with Perriman for the future.
In any other draft, this would sound pretty ridiculous, but I'm hoping we can get 3 immediate starters/impact players by the end of round 2 this year. And that "Doom role" qualifies as a starter role imo. It's a crucial one.
A couple examples would be
pick 24: Charles Harris
pick 47: Ju Ju Smith
pick 56: Chidobe Awuzie

pick 19: Ryan Ramczyk
pick 47: Carl Lawson
pick 50: Ju Ju Smith

Then add Ethan Pocic in the third in either scenario and boom, our team is ready to take down anyone

Either way, I think it's pretty clear we're going to add some defense/pass rusher pretty high in the draft. I think us fans are in for a treat next year when it comes to the Defense

I am all about getting the extra picks this year. We just need someone valuable sitting at 16 that we don't exactly need from a positional standpoint.  

The thing this year is there are at least 50 players that could go in the first so I just want as many picks as possible early. Guys like Harris and Tim Williams are needed, but could they possibly be there in the second? They might. 

I agree 100% that there are at least 50 players that could go in the first! it's nuts! I want as many 2nd round picks as possible.