[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Need More Homegrown Talent Like Zachary Orr To Fill Holes

[BR News]

A combination of the draft and free agency will be used to help fill five vacant starting roles on the Ravens roster. But if Zachary Orr taught us anything, it’s that some answers may be right in front of us.

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[hen826957]

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

Edited March 21 by hen826957

[ellicottraven]

I can't see how you trade Zuttah to let Urschel or Skura take over. As for RT I think Nemot and Wesley have potential. I really think we need to bring back Doom at a reasonable salary and have him as a 3rd down pass rusher.

[rmcjacket23]

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

How do you know how expensive he is?

[hen826957]

16 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How do you know how expensive he is?

I don't. He's been on the market quite a while and his price probably drop. 3 years 20M will probably be enough to sign him if they want. He also fired his agent due to making him being overpriced.

Edited March 21 by hen826957

[Bruce_Almty]

John identified 5 question mark positions that need solidifying, add in a wish list of WR & CB and Ozzie//Harbs have their work cutout for themselves in the months ahead.
Team is coming together though some holes will remain.

[ByTheBay]

20 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I can't see how you trade Zuttah to let Urschel or Skura take over. As for RT I think Nemot and Wesley have potential. I really think we need to bring back Doom at a reasonable salary and have him as a 3rd down pass rusher.

I'm with you. If it's possible I would love to bring back Doom and Webb as rotational and backup players.

[rmcjacket23]

  27 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How do you know how expensive he is?

I don't. He's been on the market quite a while and his price probably drop. 3 years 20M will probably be enough to sign him if they want. He also fired his agent due to making him being overpriced.

LOL, well at 3 years, $20M you already know why we aren't going after him... because we don't have that kind of money to spend.

With that kind of price tag for a #2 MLB, we wouldn't be able to extend Mosley in a year or two.

He'd have to be in the $3-4M/year range or even less for us to entertain it.

You do realize that spending $6-7M/year on a second ILB is a ton right?

[thegooddoc456]

Man, I remember when the Ravens used to churn out crazy home grown talent...the caliber of coaches we had then were great for player development.

[hen826957]

15 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, well at 3 years, $20M you already know why we aren't going after him... because we don't have that kind of money to spend.

With that kind of price tag for a #2 MLB, we wouldn't be able to extend Mosley in a year or two.

He'd have to be in the $3-4M/year range or even less for us to entertain it.

You do realize that spending $6-7M/year on a second ILB is a ton right?

LOL here we go again. Ready to pounce huh. No, it's not. He probably would be even accept 5M a year.  

Edited March 21 by hen826957

[hen826957]

  34 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

  47 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How do you know how expensive he is?

I don't. He's been on the market quite a while and his price probably drop. 3 years 20M will probably be enough to sign him if they want. He also fired his agent due to making him being overpriced.

LOL, well at 3 years, $20M you already know why we aren't going after him... because we don't have that kind of money to spend.

With that kind of price tag for a #2 MLB, we wouldn't be able to extend Mosley in a year or two.

He'd have to be in the $3-4M/year range or even less for us to entertain it.

You do realize that spending $6-7M/year on a second ILB is a ton right?

6-7M doesn't equal to 20M so it have to be at 5.5M a year which l do think he will accept. But l really don't think that's is the cause because l know they could get him if they really want to, it's because the compensatory pick that Ozzie loves smh. They could still cut Arrington and Watson to free some room as well.

[ByTheBay]

8 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

LOL here we go again. Ready to pounce huh. No, it's not. He probably would be even accept 5M a year.  

3 years 20 mil would put him in the top 7 highest paid ILB in the league. Even at 5 mil a year he would be in the top 11. Maybe he is worth it, I don't know, but I would be very careful not to create a situation where we can't resign Mosley next year. Would be even better if the fo can extend him this year to avoid the Fa all together 

[hen826957]

Yes l do. That's my opinion. I don't care what anyone says. Anyway that's not my decision, it's Ozzie if he don't sign him then he don't sign him. Simple. I'm just thinking suggestions, he could be high could be cheaper idk. He's been in the market for awhile that l think he won't be expensive. Don't take it personally with my opinions.

[hen826957]

10 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

3 years 20 mil would put him in the top 7 highest paid ILB in the league. Even at 5 mil a year he would be in the top 11. Maybe he is worth it, I don't know, but I would be very careful not to create a situation where we can't resign Mosley next year. Would be even better if the fo can extend him this year to avoid the Fa all together 

I hope they can extend Mosley. The quicker they extend him the better. 👍

[The Greek]

1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

i like brown as well but he is out of our price range with what we have left in cap space. still have to pay the rookies and have emergency $$ for in season signings when injuries occur. imo if correia does not step up than ozzie and the scouts will have dropped the ball on an early round pick yet again. hoping he is the real deal.

[hen826957]

  1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

i like brown as well but he is out of our price range with what we have left in cap space. still have to pay the rookies and have emergency $$ for in season signings when injuries occur. imo if correia does not step up than ozzie and the scouts will have dropped the ball on an early round pick yet again. hoping he is the real deal.

If they don't get Brown, they gonna have to get a LB early. I wish they could get Brown so they could fill that void right away and maybe even a better upgrade. All well we'll see what happens. I wish Orr didn't have to retire.

[hen826957]

  1 hour ago, hen826957 said:

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

i like brown as well but he is out of our price range with what we have left in cap space. still have to pay the rookies and have emergency $$ for in season signings when injuries occur. imo if correia does not step up than ozzie and the scouts will have dropped the ball on an early round pick yet again. hoping he is the real deal.

I wonder if who ever sign Zach Brown, l wonder what his deal would be. If it's higher than we made the right decision, if it's a not then Ozzie didn't even tried.

[The Greek]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

I can't see how you trade Zuttah to let Urschel or Skura take over. As for RT I think Nemot and Wesley have potential. I really think we need to bring back Doom at a reasonable salary and have him as a 3rd down pass rusher.

i like the idea of bringing doom back to push the younger guys. i think they will draft a big center and trade for a vet to cover us for a year or 2 while the rook adjusts

[ravens4life86]

Homegrown starts in the draft. Jo,Ed,Ray,Sizzle,Ngata,Yanda etc they didnt fall off trees.
Mosley,B.Williams,
So they have to nail this draft.
Round 1 Pass Rusher- Barnett,TakMckinley,Harris etc
Rnd 2 CB Tred. White,G.Conley, Tankersely, Q.Wilson, etc
Rnd 3 2 pks
Wr- Darboh, Dede Westbrook, Malachi Dupree, Kupp, etc

[Purple Dawg 96]

It's time to let the youngsters play! Ozzie and Co. pick good players like Bellichick does but Bellichick has Brady and we have Flacco! The Ravens are not a " Rest Haven " for veterans we got the best in the business in finding talent and they have so "LET THEM PLAY" and stop giving money away!

[CaliRavenFan]

2 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I wonder if who ever sign Zach Brown, l wonder what his deal would be. If it's higher than we made the right decision, if it's a not then Ozzie didn't even tried.

Its all about the comp picks, especially now that they are tradeable. Personally I didnt watch him play last year but if he seems to be as good as you say he is then I dont understand why the Niners or Browns havent signed him yet since they both have plenty of cap space and the need for a ILB. I would rather give Patrick and KC the chance to prove themselves and save the money for CJ next year. We could play a lot of hybrid defense's with Weedle and Jefferson playing the ILB spot and by switching it up they will have no clue which one is blitzing or falling back in coverage.

[stixfix69]

right now i think we are looking at the draft and post draft cuts for a proven vet as a stop gap for a year or two.....Then camp cuts, we have been known to pick up a decent player in the last two weeks of camp...but ever since Orr had to retire the ILBer spot has been a big concern for me, any losing Guy kind of irked me.....

[rmcjacket23]

  13 hours ago, The Greek said:

  15 hours ago, hen826957 said:

I don't get why they are not interested in Zach Brown. He could fill the void and perfect replacement for Orr and even a upgrade. If it because the compensatory pick then smh. He won't be that expensive to sign. Hurry up because the Dolphins and now Bills are interested. Zach Brown would make our defense even more scary.

i like brown as well but he is out of our price range with what we have left in cap space. still have to pay the rookies and have emergency $$ for in season signings when injuries occur. imo if correia does not step up than ozzie and the scouts will have dropped the ball on an early round pick yet again. hoping he is the real deal.

If they don't get Brown, they gonna have to get a LB early. I wish they could get Brown so they could fill that void right away and maybe even a better upgrade. All well we'll see what happens. I wish Orr didn't have to retire.

Or they can just stop playing as many two ILB looks. We don't play a base 3-4 that often anyway, so we could play more nickel/dime looks and rotate linebackers that way.

There's no right or wrong price range for Brown, because you're not going to pay $6-7M a year to two ILBs at the same time, which is what you'll be doing. Very hard to get any sort of ROI on that.

[sizzlingdoom]

interesting you know how much we would pay him. I knew you were on the inside with all your knowledge.
Plus, it doesn't imply that at all. It might imply that we have 5 other tight ends. And a second rounder that needs to hit the field, in addition to Boyle, Gilmore, and Pitta. Who knows if they'll keep trying with Waller. Watson is coming off an Achilles and will be 37 before the season's over. Think it through, it's not that hard.

[rmcjacket23]

On ‎3‎/‎23‎/‎2017 at 1:48 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 9:45 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

  23 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

On ‎3‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 9:13 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

  23 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 3/21/2017 at 3:41 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

  On 3/21/2017 at 3:29 PM, hen826957 said:

  On 3/21/2017 at 3:16 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

LOL, well at 3 years, $20M you already know why we aren't going after him... because we don't have that kind of money to spend.

With that kind of price tag for a #2 MLB, we wouldn't be able to extend Mosley in a year or two.

He'd have to be in the $3-4M/year range or even less for us to entertain it.

You do realize that spending $6-7M/year on a second ILB is a ton right?

LOL her we go again. Ready to pounce huh. No, it's not. He probably would be even accept 5M a year. 

LOL, do you honestly believe what you are saying or are you just trolling?

Just FYI, $7M a year is top 10 inside linebacker money in the NFL... also known as a ton. Its especially a ton for a team that probably only has about half that much in cap space to actually spend.
 

Still money to free up Genuis.
But of course you knew that? You know it all sounds like

Maybe, maybe not. Doesn't sound like a great way to build a quality football team though.

Sounds like you didn't really think this one through all the way before you fired off the troll post.

LOL. By suggesting a couple obvious cuts that will be made...? O OK LOL Continue to impress with your ways

1. You mean the obvious cuts that every fan was so sure was going to happen like a month ago? Those obvious cuts? LOL.

Funny thing is... its basically one person... Ben Watson. Arrington isn't getting cut until he can pass a physical, otherwise we have to pay him something in a settlement, which could eliminate most of the cap savings, thus making it pointless.

2. Also implies that we would actually want to cut one of those guys simply to spend $7M on a MLB when we have another MLB who will get at least that much probably next offseason.

Again, if you just think these things through, its not really that hard.

interesting you know how much we would pay him. I knew you were on the inside with all your knowledge.
Plus, it doesn't imply that at all. It might imply that we have 5 other tight ends. And a second rounder that needs to hit the field, in addition to Boyle, Gilmore, and Pitta. Who knows if they'll keep trying with Waller. Watson is coming off an Achilles and will be 37 before the season's over. Think it through, it's not that hard.

1. If you invested the extra few seconds to read some of the other posts on this thread, you'd recognize where that figure came from. (Hint: it didn't come from me).

2. Yup, and we had close to that many TEs last season, and nothing changed. Some will get injured, some may get cut. Watson is the only one we could cut and get any relevant cap relief from.

So unless you plan on magically signing Brown for $500K a year, cutting any one or combination of those guys outside of Watson is meaningless.