[News] Kamar Aiken Headed To Indianapolis On One-Year Deal

[KidNme]

There has to be more the the Aiken story we don't know on why we let him go. After him having the semi-breakout year he was expected to have, I'd be willing to bet we let him shop around for a good reason though. Now, that puts a little higher priority on getting a veteran in here but I'd also be willing the bet they have something in the works for that as well. I also believe we'll be using our RB's and TE's in the passing game a lot more so, if we can get a good vet WR with a couple years left in his legs in here, on a 1 or 2 yr deal, we could use him to mentor a high draft pick on a promising WR maybe?

[Purple Dawg 96]

I'm happy for Kamar Aiken and wish him all the best! Can't keep these kids on the bench hoping they stay! It's time to let the youngsters play or more will bounce!

[CaliRavenFan]

5 hours ago, Space11jams said:

crockett is not better than pitta....maybe at blocking but pitta is a receiving TE. His hands are more reliable than any of the TE's on our roster. If he was faster you can put him the slot. Your not putting crocket in the slot position. Also, you can't blame Flacco (we only call #12 by his number) for the lack of production. He fell down the depth chart and flacco was vocal about getting kamar more involved. He doesn't make the depth sheet or draw up the plays. I agree their should've been more play designs for kamar which would've kept defenses guessing but that wasn't the case.

Crockett fights to gain extra yards and has reliable hands but has had little amount of work to show for it because #5 ( I scream his name enough during the season and refuse to say it until he can step his game back up) doesnt want anyone showing up his bff. Pitta falls to the ground on contact which i dont blame him having back to back injuries. Just wait and see when he leaves for a bigger contract and a starting position, he will easily have better numbers than Pitta. Maybe when we draft Cam at 16 to take over the RT spot it will finally give #5 time to see his other options instead of dumping it off short of the 1st down every time. BTW I dont want them to draft him but im starting to think thats what will happen. I would much rather draft Dan Feeney in the 2nd round and have the option of playing him at LG/C allowing Alex Lewis to slide out to RT if needed. Im just hoping whoever we draft at 16 is a stud because there is a lot of great talent available. Worst case we trade back picking up an extra pick and draft Adoree Jackson to take over return duties and corner depth. Personally I wouldnt mind that if it gives us an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. If its a 3rd I would package it up with our extra 3rd to slide back into the 2nd to draft Sidney Jones and he can start next year opposite of Jimmy. That would easily give us the best secondary in the league and with Jimmy being the oldest we wouldnt have to worry about the position for another 5 years.

[RayRayRaven]

aiken was nevah gonna be our guy. had a decant yr when we had nobodie but ya jus knew he and joe were not like peas and carrots.  now this said, watch him have a reel good yr with andy luck

[Maurice0094]

Good luck in Indy and getting us a comp pick. He wasn't goin to play here because we found every WR to step over him on the depth chart. It's ok that he walked they actually need to find a WR that can get open on the second level vs underneath coverage. If Camp can stay healthy I believe he can be that guy but that's a lot to ask for with his history. Pitta will have to show me something as far as explosiveness to work middle of field. I think the answer will come in draft or with one of these TE's like Waller or Gilmore to be a threat in middle of field. That being said, I like Zay Jones in 1st round if the Ravens decide to trade down in the 20's he is a good route runner and has speed. I'd take him over John Ross 1 year of productivity.

[Tiznut]

8 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Well, I expect Aiken's numbers will go up, being able to play with a REAL NFL QB now.

Yeah he'll duplicate the numbers he put up playing with Tom Brady. 

[billiejean]

Well, I expect Aiken's numbers will go up, being able to play with a REAL NFL QB now.

It is going to be a fight for him to get on the field unless there is an injury to one of their top 3 WRs.

[chinonsoude]

everyone saying we "did so well in FA" but we seem to have more needs now than when it started...

[rmcjacket23]

  18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  19 hours ago, CodyJamesLutz said:

Why doesn't M. Huff count towards the comp formula?

Its based on contract size mostly. He basically gets a league minimum contract.

I don't think that's right, but I found the answer to my question...only Unrestricted Free-Agents count towards the formula, and Huff is a RFA.

Yes, but not all UFAs count either. Again, the three biggest pieces of the Comp pick formula are compensation, playing time, and postseason honors... in that order.

Huff, regardless of whether he was a UFA or RFA, wasn't going to qualify for a comp pick based on that criteria, because he has minimal compensation, zero playing time, and zero postseason honors.

[whobilly]

Well, I expect Aiken's numbers will go up, being able to play with a REAL NFL QB now.

........based on Luck winning SO MANY playoff games and his Super Bowl performance? Oh, that's right, no real history there.

[whobilly]

  22 hours ago, whobilly said:

29 catches for a 4th target WR. 33 catches for our #1 Pick. Hmmmmmmm

LOL nice try. Aiken was the 5th target, and he's been in the league 5 years, and he's getting outplayed by a rookie... to the tune of almost 4 yards/catch. That's how you end up with 170 yards less... with just four less catches. Yikes... that's bad.

And that's why he signs a one year deal in FA in a bad WR market.

You're gonna have to come up with something better than catches bud. This ain't a PPR fantasy league.

I know. That's why the Ravens need to sigh Boldin......In July

[whobilly]

  20 hours ago, Crusader said:

  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  21 hours ago, Crusader said:

Signed by the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2011. Fact, Perriman ranked 20th in drop passes in the NFL while that undrafted guy ranked 121 and 7th on the Ravens team. With all these holes opening up maybe the Ravens can rent a offense for the 2017 season? This 2017 season is getting better and better.

Well, you would expect a rookie to drop more passes than a 5th year player.

The difference between the two is about 2-4 yards/catch.

So basically, Perriman can do more damage (and did last season) with less receptions.

That's called being efficient.

I think you mean effective. Perriman is more effective than efficient Either way his draft reports said he drop a high rate of passes in college and now its starting to show its ugly head in NFL. John H not going to be able to cope with that this year. Jobs are on the line.

No actually he's more efficient also. Getting more yards/catch is being efficient as well.

John's job may be on the line, but Perriman's isn't, and John doesn't have a choice but to cope with the growing pains of a 2nd year WR.

Boldin is effective and efficient. Sign him in July.

[rmcjacket23]

  19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  21 hours ago, Crusader said:

  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  21 hours ago, Crusader said:

Signed by the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2011. Fact, Perriman ranked 20th in drop passes in the NFL while that undrafted guy ranked 121 and 7th on the Ravens team. With all these holes opening up maybe the Ravens can rent a offense for the 2017 season? This 2017 season is getting better and better.

Well, you would expect a rookie to drop more passes than a 5th year player.

The difference between the two is about 2-4 yards/catch.

So basically, Perriman can do more damage (and did last season) with less receptions.

That's called being efficient.

I think you mean effective. Perriman is more effective than efficient Either way his draft reports said he drop a high rate of passes in college and now its starting to show its ugly head in NFL. John H not going to be able to cope with that this year. Jobs are on the line.

No actually he's more efficient also. Getting more yards/catch is being efficient as well.

John's job may be on the line, but Perriman's isn't, and John doesn't have a choice but to cope with the growing pains of a 2nd year WR.

Boldin is effective and efficient. Sign him in July.

Well, actually, if Aiken isn't efficient, then Boldin can't be either, since Boldin's YPC was significantly less than Aiken's.

Obviously the Ravens won't be signing Boldin. There's only one person who hasn't come to grips with this, and it ain't anybody in the FO of the Ravens...

[rmcjacket23]

  18 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Well, I expect Aiken's numbers will go up, being able to play with a REAL NFL QB now.

........based on Luck winning SO MANY playoff games and his Super Bowl performance? Oh, that's right, no real history there.

Well he did have three postseason wins in his first 3 years, which is exceptionally strong. You won't find that in this league very often.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, actually, if Aiken isn't efficient, then Boldin can't be either, since Boldin's YPC was significantly less than Aiken's.

Obviously the Ravens won't be signing Boldin. There's only one person who hasn't come to grips with this, and it ain't anybody in the FO of the Ravens...

Yeah because tds per reception wouldn't be used to discuss efficiency. Btw that's 1 td per 8 receptions by boldin last yr

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, actually, if Aiken isn't efficient, then Boldin can't be either, since Boldin's YPC was significantly less than Aiken's.

Obviously the Ravens won't be signing Boldin. There's only one person who hasn't come to grips with this, and it ain't anybody in the FO of the Ravens...

Yeah because tds per reception wouldn't be used to discuss efficiency. Btw that's 1 td per 8 receptions by boldin last yr

It would be if it were a sustainable number, but you already know that it isn't.

That's an indication of a redzone specialist, not an efficient receiver.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It would be if it were a sustainable number, but you already know that it isn't.

That's an indication of a redzone specialist, not an efficient receiver.

It still shows he was more efficient. You can't squirm, weasel, distort anything you want.  Boldin was more efficient and numbers show it. 

[Tiznut]

The basic point you miss is that if more of boldin's catches result in first downs or tds he's more efficient.  

 

Simply using ypc benefits the guy who IS NOT targeted on goal to go situations.  That's not being more efficient it's being unreliable 

[rmcjacket23]

The basic point you miss is that if more of boldin's catches result in first downs or tds he's more efficient.  

 

Simply using ypc benefits the guy who IS NOT targeted on goal to go situations.  That's not being more efficient it's being unreliable 

A word of advice... if you're going to propose a theory, you might want to at least substantiate it or test it out first. Now I had to do your work for you...

Aiken had 18 first downs on 29 receptions, a 62% rate. Boldin had 41 first downs on 67 receptions, a 61% rate. So at best, they were comparable in terms of efficiency from a first down standpoint.

TDs are obviously in Boldin's favor, though I'm not really sure why you think that's a quality measurement for efficiency. YAC is a pretty good measurement of efficiency, and that favors Aiken pretty comfortably.

The only thing a TD ratio is going to display is usage differences between the two players. Aiken was obviously not a red zone option, while Boldin was.

[rmcjacket23]

The basic point you miss is that if more of boldin's catches result in first downs or tds he's more efficient.  

 

Simply using ypc benefits the guy who IS NOT targeted on goal to go situations.  That's not being more efficient it's being unreliable 

And equally, if YPC benefits the guy who is not targeted in goal line situations, then TD receptions or even TD ratio WOULD benefit the guy who is targeted in goal line situations... and unfairly so.

[mendii]

I'm curious to see what the price tag for this 1 year deal is. If he's going there on a bargain I'll be kind of upset that we didn't at least give him a competitive offer. I know the people who comment here aren't high on Aiken, but dude could play some ball. He would've definitely been useful this year as we transition away from SSS. Don't really understand why he's so undervalued, also don't understand why he signed with Indy over Seattle. Seahawks seemed like a better team and a better chance at consistently seeing the field.

[ByTheBay]

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It would be if it were a sustainable number, but you already know that it isn't.

That's an indication of a redzone specialist, not an efficient receiver.

We could definitely use a red zone specialist 

[rmcjacket23]

  23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

It would be if it were a sustainable number, but you already know that it isn't.

That's an indication of a redzone specialist, not an efficient receiver.

We could definitely use a red zone specialist 

Yup... for multiple seasons, not just a one year stop gap on a team that's not likely to compete for a SB title.

Would also point out that the last time he was in Baltimore, where he had less competition for snaps and playing time, he wasn't that much of a red zone threat in the regular season either. Especially in his last two seasons.

People remember him being one in the playoffs, but he didn't display nearly as much of that from September-December.

[ByTheBay]

17 hours ago, mendii said:

I'm curious to see what the price tag for this 1 year deal is. If he's going there on a bargain I'll be kind of upset that we didn't at least give him a competitive offer. I know the people who comment here aren't high on Aiken, but dude could play some ball. He would've definitely been useful this year as we transition away from SSS. Don't really understand why he's so undervalued, also don't understand why he signed with Indy over Seattle. Seahawks seemed like a better team and a better chance at consistently seeing the field.

Because he is a #4 receiver who complains all the time and bad mouths his team to the media. Would you hire an average employee who complained and bad mouthed his boss all the time. I am so glad he is out of out locker room. He is a poor me type of person and that is a miserable person to be around. Why is this so hard for people to understand?

[ByTheBay]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yup... for multiple seasons, not just a one year stop gap on a team that's not likely to compete for a SB title.

Would also point out that the last time he was in Baltimore, where he had less competition for snaps and playing time, he wasn't that much of a red zone threat in the regular season either. Especially in his last two seasons.

People remember him being one in the playoffs, but he didn't display nearly as much of that from September-December.

Be that as it may, settling for FG was one of our Achilles heels last season. Since nothing has changed receiver wise it may be a problem this year as well. Sure signing a long term solution would be great if you can find one. If not I for one would welcome Boldin back as a one year stop gap. Beggers cant be choosers. 

Edited March 23 by ByTheBay

[rmcjacket23]

  10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yup... for multiple seasons, not just a one year stop gap on a team that's not likely to compete for a SB title.

Would also point out that the last time he was in Baltimore, where he had less competition for snaps and playing time, he wasn't that much of a red zone threat in the regular season either. Especially in his last two seasons.

People remember him being one in the playoffs, but he didn't display nearly as much of that from September-December.

Be that as it may, settling for FG was one of our Achilles heels last season. Since nothing had changed receiver wise it may be a problem this year as well. Sure signing a long term solution would be great if you can find one. If not I for one would welcome Boldin back as a one year stop gap. Beggers cant be choosers. 

Or its something we address in the draft. Or we start using our TEs more, which I think is the goal. Or we start running the ball better, especially in the red zone, which is certainly the goal.

That's why I don't think we are a "begger" in that regard. I don't think anybody realistically thinks adding Boldin will mean we start scoring a bunch of TDs instead of FGs.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm curious to see what the price tag for this 1 year deal is. If he's going there on a bargain I'll be kind of upset that we didn't at least give him a competitive offer. I know the people who comment here aren't high on Aiken, but dude could play some ball. He would've definitely been useful this year as we transition away from SSS. Don't really understand why he's so undervalued, also don't understand why he signed with Indy over Seattle. Seahawks seemed like a better team and a better chance at consistently seeing the field.

Have not seen any updates on his contract size either, but hopefully soon we will.

I find the whole thing amusing. He complains about his role in an offense that had limited abilities at the WR position, then signs with a team to COMPETE for the #3 WR in an offense that is extremely multi-dimensional.

Basically he complains about the Ravens not "showing him love", and then signs a one year deal in a bad WR market with a team just so he can COMPETE for #3 duties.

Sounds like the Colts don't think he's that good either.

[rmcjacket23]

I'm curious to see what the price tag for this 1 year deal is. If he's going there on a bargain I'll be kind of upset that we didn't at least give him a competitive offer. I know the people who comment here aren't high on Aiken, but dude could play some ball. He would've definitely been useful this year as we transition away from SSS. Don't really understand why he's so undervalued, also don't understand why he signed with Indy over Seattle. Seahawks seemed like a better team and a better chance at consistently seeing the field.

And for even added context, look at the output from the Colts the last few years in that role:

In 2016, the 3rd WR on the roster was actually 4th on the team in targets, with 56. By comparison, he had 50 targets in Baltimore last year, and felt "underutilized". Note that the Colts ran a lot of two TE sets, and had two TEs with over 50 targets. Not that much difference than Baltimore, who had Pitta as a target hog and Juice having nearly identical targets to Aiken.

In 2015, the 3rd WR on the roster was again 4th on the team in targets, though did see a bump to 77 targets. This was also the year that Luck missed significant time and the Colts threw a lot more due to falling behind in games a lot.

So realistically, based on how our offense runs compared to the Colts, I don't really see the options for Aiken to get more usage. Like 2015, he's probably going to need an injury to Moncrief or Hilton in order to get significant time. AND that's assuming that he gets more targets than somebody like Dorsett, which I doubt.

[mendii]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And for even added context, look at the output from the Colts the last few years in that role:

In 2016, the 3rd WR on the roster was actually 4th on the team in targets, with 56. By comparison, he had 50 targets in Baltimore last year, and felt "underutilized". Note that the Colts ran a lot of two TE sets, and had two TEs with over 50 targets. Not that much difference than Baltimore, who had Pitta as a target hog and Juice having nearly identical targets to Aiken.

In 2015, the 3rd WR on the roster was again 4th on the team in targets, though did see a bump to 77 targets. This was also the year that Luck missed significant time and the Colts threw a lot more due to falling behind in games a lot.

So realistically, based on how our offense runs compared to the Colts, I don't really see the options for Aiken to get more usage. Like 2015, he's probably going to need an injury to Moncrief or Hilton in order to get significant time. AND that's assuming that he gets more targets than somebody like Dorsett, which I doubt.

#silentgrind i guess... good luck to him.

[Space11jams]

On 3/21/2017 at 6:39 PM, CaliRavenFan said:

Crockett fights to gain extra yards and has reliable hands but has had little amount of work to show for it because #5 ( I scream his name enough during the season and refuse to say it until he can step his game back up) doesnt want anyone showing up his bff. Pitta falls to the ground on contact which i dont blame him having back to back injuries. Just wait and see when he leaves for a bigger contract and a starting position, he will easily have better numbers than Pitta. Maybe when we draft Cam at 16 to take over the RT spot it will finally give #5 time to see his other options instead of dumping it off short of the 1st down every time. BTW I dont want them to draft him but im starting to think thats what will happen. I would much rather draft Dan Feeney in the 2nd round and have the option of playing him at LG/C allowing Alex Lewis to slide out to RT if needed. Im just hoping whoever we draft at 16 is a stud because there is a lot of great talent available. Worst case we trade back picking up an extra pick and draft Adoree Jackson to take over return duties and corner depth. Personally I wouldnt mind that if it gives us an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick. If its a 3rd I would package it up with our extra 3rd to slide back into the 2nd to draft Sidney Jones and he can start next year opposite of Jimmy. That would easily give us the best secondary in the league and with Jimmy being the oldest we wouldnt have to worry about the position for another 5 years.

Crockett is a big guy of course he's fighting for those extra yards but that doesn't make is hands better than Pitta lol. The bigger you are the harder you fall and that's the case with Crockett. Not saying he can't ball because he can but we've seen what Pitta can do on the highest stage and he can turn into a Pro Bowl TE if he wasn't derailed by the injuries. Pitta has never been a YAC guy. He's the guy that finds the soft spots in the defense, makes contested catches and is a redzone threat which is why we haven't cut him. I think you're pumping crocket up a little to much lol.