Offense gets its turn now

[BSHU_Miami]

17 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I guess you don't get the concept of what McCaffrey can do for an offense. What he brings to the table as a wide receiver, running back, and returner.

you know we have Danny Woodhead right?

[rossihunter2]

26 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Been seeing a lot of Mike Williams to the Ravens in recent mocks. That would make me a very happy fan. 

maybe media reacting to the ravens pre-draft presser?

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, BSHU_Miami said:

you know we have Danny Woodhead right?

Danny is a real, real good player. But, he's getting up there in age and is coming off a serious injury. Even when young, he couldn't do what McCaffery can do.If people would take a minute and seriously compare Christian to the other choices, they will find he carries more worth. He will be immediately successful in the NFL . He has the " it "  factor, a complexity of greatness.

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Danny is a real, real good player. But, he's getting up there in age and is coming off a serious injury. Even when young, he couldn't do what McCaffery can do.If people would take a minute and seriously compare Christian to the other choices, they will find he carries more worth. He will be immediately successful in the NFL . He has the " it "  factor, a complexity of greatness.

Are you suggesting we take McCaffrey with the 16th pick? Might not be crazy since his stock seems to be seriously rising and he could also help out on spteams but it just doesn't seem that would be a Ravens move plus I see him more as a specialty player not a featured back.

[ravensnj]

4 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Are you suggesting we take McCaffrey with the 16th pick? Might not be crazy since his stock seems to be seriously rising and he could also help out on spteams but it just doesn't seem that would be a Ravens move plus I see him more as a specialty player not a featured back.

I would use him all over, and maybe even feature him when it's called for. My outlook would be to see him used mostly in the slot, with Dixon or West in the backfield. Drafting the likes of a Chris Godwin or Zay Jones in the second would catapult us up with the best receiving corps in the league. Can you picture that? Even if we opt for another position in the second, we could use our fourth on Amba Etta-Tawo a real nice possession guy. Then we could run out Perriman, Wallace, Etta-Tawo, with McCaffrey out of the backfield ,motion or the slot.

[rossihunter2]

17 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I would use him all over, and maybe even feature him when it's called for. My outlook would be to see him used mostly in the slot, with Dixon or West in the backfield. Drafting the likes of a Chris Godwin or Zay Jones in the second would catapult us up with the best receiving corps in the league. Can you picture that? Even if we opt for another position in the second, we could use our fourth on Amba Etta-Tawo a real nice possession guy. Then we could run out Perriman, Wallace, Etta-Tawo, with McCaffrey out of the backfield ,motion or the slot.

so you are drafting a running back in the first round to play mostly as a slot receiver? why not take an actual slot receiver with a less steep learning curve later in the draft?

[JoeyFlex5]

19 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

so you are drafting a running back in the first round to play mostly as a slot receiver? why not take an actual slot receiver with a less steep learning curve later in the draft?

Exactly. Never understood guys wanting a rb to play receiver. 

And If you want a rb/wr ball carrying beast hybrid, Curtis Samuel is much more of a wr and a more explosive threat with more natural route running and catching. Mcaffrey is a better rb but as a wr Samuel blows him out of the water 

[omar586]

i dont know if the ravens will go craazy on offense in the draft, simply because this the draft is loaded with Defense.

[mc_red23]

3 hours ago, omar586 said:

i dont know if the ravens will go craazy on offense in the draft, simply because this the draft is loaded with Defense.

It'll depend on who falls to us though.

[JoeyFlex5]

does anyone else find it odd that there has been almost no connection between the ravens and corey davis? i cant find anything suggesting the slightest interest, all ive seen is decostas comment which meant absolutely nothing.

[January J]

15 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I would use him all over, and maybe even feature him when it's called for. My outlook would be to see him used mostly in the slot, with Dixon or West in the backfield. Drafting the likes of a Chris Godwin or Zay Jones in the second would catapult us up with the best receiving corps in the league. Can you picture that? Even if we opt for another position in the second, we could use our fourth on Amba Etta-Tawo a real nice possession guy. Then we could run out Perriman, Wallace, Etta-Tawo, with McCaffrey out of the backfield ,motion or the slot.

Sorry bud but I just don't see it. Would be a huge mistake IMO. If he miraculously fell to the 2nd then sure.

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

does anyone else find it odd that there has been almost no connection between the ravens and corey davis? i cant find anything suggesting the slightest interest, all ive seen is decostas comment which meant absolutely nothing.

That means he's right in our crosshairs

[ravensnj]

2 hours ago, January J said:

Sorry bud but I just don't see it. Would be a huge mistake IMO. If he miraculously fell to the 2nd then sure.

That means he's right in our crosshairs

Evidently, it won't matter according to this mock draft.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000797538/article/jeremiah-mock-draft-40-no-early-qbs-no-deshaun-watson

 

Also, I would love to land Corey Davis!

[ravensnj]

On 4/8/2017 at 4:51 PM, rossihunter2 said:

so you are drafting a running back in the first round to play mostly as a slot receiver? why not take an actual slot receiver with a less steep learning curve later in the draft?

A true slot receiver won't give you the mismatches that Christian can establish.. McCaffery can start in the rb position and then jump into the slot, so the defense won't have time to substitute, hence, the mismatch. BTW, Christian might have the best hands in the draft, so you statement of a steep learning curve is otterly absurd. 

 

[Davesta]

19 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

does anyone else find it odd that there has been almost no connection between the ravens and corey davis? i cant find anything suggesting the slightest interest, all ive seen is decostas comment which meant absolutely nothing.

I was wondering that too. The 3 WRs I'm hoping for: Corey Davis, JuJu and zay jones. Neither of them are link to ravens and with the other posting about how we usually set up a meeting with our first / 2nd picks round picks, I'm starting worry. Unless we somehow get mike Williams. 

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, ravensnj said:

A true slot receiver won't give you the mismatches that Christian can establish.. McCaffery can start in the rb position and then jump into the slot, so the defense won't have time to substitute, hence, the mismatch. BTW, Christian might have the best hands in the draft, so you statement of a steep learning curve is otterly absurd. 

 

Playing slot receiver is about much more than just having good hands. The fact that you attempted to reduce the role to that is just plain stupid and maybe a little insulting to the actual slot receivers in the league and the draft. If it were just about catching well why wouldn't buck Allen be a good candidate to play there? The way you are describing him just makes me agree with @JoeyFlex5 even more about a guy like Curtis Samuel. What is annoying is that your argument doesn't support your player...

[usmccharles]

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

[PurpleHorseman]

35 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

Barnett is one player I don't want.  Suggs was a surprise to only run 4.8. He played far faster than that. Everybody is expecting Barnett to run in the 4.8-4.9 range. I would prefer Corey Davis to Mike Williams.

[usmccharles]

13 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Barnett is one player I don't want.  Suggs was a surprise to only run 4.8. He played far faster than that. Everybody is expecting Barnett to run in the 4.8-4.9 range. I would prefer Corey Davis to Mike Williams.

Yea i know you dont like Barnett, I just have a feeling he is our guy, but most likely he will be gone. 

[January J]

9 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Im convinced our target is Barnett to replace Suggs.  His numbers at the combine werent very impressive, but neither were Suggs.  Barnett or Mike Williams....im pretty happy

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

[usmccharles]

20 minutes ago, January J said:

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

Whats your opinion on Reddick and McKinley?  I don't know much about those guys.

[January J]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Whats your opinion on Reddick and McKinley?  I don't know much about those guys.

I'm not real savvy as far as scouting guys and what not but I definitely know these two guys are on our radar.  I think that Decosta might believe we can trade back into the early 20s and still land Tak too. Would be a gamble but genius if it worked. Plus either way there will be nice alternative options there if it didnt... Feeney- Conley - Wilson- Harris- White- Williams. Could even trade back twice and then take Watt and wreak absolute havoc in the 2nd & third. A lot of depth and talent in those rounds. We could take Pocic, Zay / Kupp, Moton,  And still get a top graded corner and have our pick of the litter. That would give us a potential 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. And don't forget about the now early third we got from moving jernigan. We can do some real damage if we play it right. We currently have ALOT of roster spots to fill too so I think we will be doing a lot of moving around-  back and forth.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

29 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Whats your opinion on Reddick and McKinley?  I don't know much about those guys.

Reddick played DE but is considered undersized for a prototypical edge rusher. Has incredible speed, burst, and athletic traits. Is a monster playing in space. Probably has the athleticism to shift inside as well. Range, pursuit, tackling ability, change of direction... the physical traits to drop into coverage although he wasnt asked to do it a ton at Temple... so everything youd want in an ILB with the added bonus of being a dog as an edge rusher.

Some dont think he can be an every down rusher, but that versatility is very intriguing. Id be super happy with him at 16. Could be the answer to both our starting ILB spot and our need for more pass rush on 3rd downs.

 

Takk is purely and edge guy. Raw ability for days, and can be a wrecking ball at times. But not technically proficient at all. No hand use, no rush plan, no real counter moves or tool kit. Also doesnt really bend well. But his burst is prob 2nd to none, and he just doesnt stop working. Most of his production comes from being relentless or just beating the tackle off the jump.

Prob a bit more upside as a pure pass rusher than Reddick, but far less of a finished player now and doesnt have the versatility. Will need work to become anything more than a situational rusher.

[usmccharles]

9 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm not real savvy as far as scouting guys and what not but I definitely know these two guys are on our radar.  I think that Decosta might believe we can trade back into the early 20s and still land Tak too. Would be a gamble but genius if it worked. Plus either way there will be nice alternative options there if it didnt... Feeney- Conley - Wilson- Harris- White- Williams. Could even trade back twice and then take Watt and wreak absolute havoc in the 2nd & third. A lot of depth and talent in those rounds. We could take Pocic, Zay / Kupp, Moton,  And still get a top graded corner and have our pick of the litter. That would give us a potential 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. And don't forget about the now early third we got from moving jernigan. We can do some real damage if we play it right. We currently have ALOT of roster spots to fill too so I think we will be doing a lot of moving around-  back and forth.

If Barnett and Mwilliams are both off the board, im ok with trading back, a couple of times as well honestly.  Watt is a guy id love to have

[PurpleHorseman]

1 hour ago, January J said:

I think Barnett is at the top of our list of players ( that atleast have a possibility of dropping to 16) unfortunately I dont think he will make it. I'm almost positive that it will come down to these 6 players one way or the other:

Derek Barnett- Corey Davis- Mike Williams- Reuban Foster- Haasan Reddick - Tak  McKinley

Ofcourse anything can happen and a guy like Lattimore or Humphrey could be there but I doubt it.

Barnett will be there at 16

[January J]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Barnett will be there at 16

then Barnett will be a Raven. 

[ravensnj]

16 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Playing slot receiver is about much more than just having good hands. The fact that you attempted to reduce the role to that is just plain stupid and maybe a little insulting to the actual slot receivers in the league and the draft. If it were just about catching well why wouldn't buck Allen be a good candidate to play there? The way you are describing him just makes me agree with @JoeyFlex5 even more about a guy like Curtis Samuel. What is annoying is that your argument doesn't support your player...

You obviously don't get it and I don't have time to enlighten you. Just scroll back on my posts and review the footage I supplied, the analyst will walk you through it.

Edited April 10 by ravensnj

[usmccharles]

15 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

You obviously don't get it and I don't have time to enlighten you. Just scroll back on my posts and review the footage I supplied, the analyst will walk you through it.

Maybe he does get it and just highly disagrees with the idea. 

[rossihunter2]

39 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

You obviously don't get it and I don't have time to enlighten you. Just scroll back on my posts and review the footage I supplied, the analyst will walk you through it.

I just scrolled back - you have posted zero footage or analysis 

Edited April 10 by rossihunter2

[JoeyFlex5]

34 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

You obviously don't get it and I don't have time to enlighten you. Just scroll back on my posts and review the footage I supplied, the analyst will walk you through it.

No, you don't get it. You don't draft an undersized RB at 16 overall to play WR just because you think it's cool. 

Mcaffrey is not a 16 overall talent, I, along with basically everyone else, just don't agree with you on this. there are a lot of factors as to why mcaffrey would be a really dumb pick 

we have 2 young backs who played really well last year despite a horrible line, and we haven't addressed that line yet, which is more important. 

RB is still devalued despite the recent uptrend, you have to be a truly special talent and an absolute beast to be taken that high, zeke and gurley blow mcaffrey out the water, along with fournette and cook.

hes an undersized rb that needs to be schemed, he's a piece, not a centerpiece

we will be looking at the likes of Robinson, lamp, McDowell, reddick, Davis, t. Williams, possibly mike Williams, possibly foster, and in no way could we justify taking him over any of them 

you don't draft a rb midway through the first and put him at wr, you just don't.

 

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

You obviously don't get it and I don't have time to enlighten you. Just scroll back on my posts and review the footage I supplied, the analyst will walk you through it.

My majesty...