Offense gets its turn now

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Oh yeah, you know, Campanaro & Reynolds, throw in Woodhead too (real ex Pat). That's 3 guys that can be replaced by 1 person. And yes, McCaffery is the real deal. He is the epitome of a smart, head ups,playmaker in the mold of an Edelman/ Welker/ Lewis / Vereen/ Faulk/ Ridley/ Meggett, players that have helped carry New England to soooooo many Super Bowls. However, he is better than them all.....way better. 

 

 

Ok so two of those guys were cut at various points and the other has only just been signed for not much money so it's not like the Ravens have made major commitments to any of those guys - also those guys cost almost nothing even compared to a first round pick - what does jettisoning camp, Reynolds and woodhead actually achieve other than creating holes in training camp?

[ravensnj]

OMG, now Bucky Brooks has Christian McCaffrey going 11! It's just plain misery that people are just now finding out about him and are pumping up his draft stock.. Really making me sweat now.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796008/article/ask-5-whos-biggest-nfl-draft-riser-since-start-of-postseason

[jboy19]

29 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

OMG, now Bucky Brooks has Christian McCaffrey going 11! It's just plain misery that people are just now finding out about him and are pumping up his draft stock.. Really making me sweat now.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796008/article/ask-5-whos-biggest-nfl-draft-riser-since-start-of-postseason

I don't think anyones ever knocked him for his talent, his vision and agility are incredible, but whoever drafts him is getting either a 200 pound running back or a receiver who has never really played receiver. 

[usmccharles]

I feel like the Wizard is back predicting insane things....

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ravensnj said:

OMG, now Bucky Brooks has Christian McCaffrey going 11! It's just plain misery that people are just now finding out about him and are pumping up his draft stock.. Really making me sweat now.

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000796008/article/ask-5-whos-biggest-nfl-draft-riser-since-start-of-postseason

As if we had any desire to draft him at 16 anyway

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, jboy19 said:

I don't think anyones ever knocked him for his talent, his vision and agility are incredible, but whoever drafts him is getting either a 200 pound running back or a receiver who has never really played receiver. 

Your avatar is GOAT

[ravensnation5220]

41 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Your avatar is GOAT

Lol Brandon chicken. He's gonna be a stud

[JoeyFlex5]

33 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Lol Brandon chicken. He's gonna be a stud

I hope wherever he goes(hopefully here) he gets a huge dosage of rookie hazing over that lol

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I hope wherever he goes(hopefully here) he gets a huge dosage of rookie hazing over that lol

Ya make him wear a chicken suit like Ronnie stanley

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya make him wear a chicken suit like Ronnie stanley

I can just hear yanda now calling him chicken like it's his name. 

Side note, yanda doesn't get caught on tape running his mouth often, but it's gold when he does

Edited March 31 by JoeyFlex5

[ravensnj]

Finally, drafting a true offensive play maker this year! It's going to be great! 

[JoeyFlex5]

43 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Finally, drafting a true offensive play maker this year! It's going to be great! 

Yeah we can draft Barry sanders 2.0 aka mcaffrey. Smh

[Robbyrobbass]

On 3/18/2017 at 10:02 PM, rossihunter2 said:

this entire thread suggests that the ravens will draft for need rather than BPA which they always do... you are being incredibly specific with no idea about the specific players available at each spot or the feasibility of it or with no foresight as to who will be taken when

honestly, this strikes me as an almost entirely futile exercise

1) what if ross, davis, and williams are all gone in the first round?

2) what if elfein (and pocic) are gone in the 2nd round?

3) what if the top 10 linemen are all gone in the 3rd round?

3) what if there is a run on running backs and cooks, fournette, mccaffrey, kamara, foreman, perrine, hunt, clement, gallman etc are all gone?

4) what if that run on cbs means that everyone down to players like kazee get taken before our pick in the 4th round?

5) what if the late round depth of the linebacker class is reached on by linebacker needy teams - guys like duke riley, anthony walker, alex anzalone etc.?

6) what if the only safeties left are the potential UDFAs like jamal carter?

i dont think any of the scenarios ive posted above are even remotely unfathomable or even unlikely... the answer to all of them is that we wouldn't take that position at that spot we'd pick a guy who falls from a different position - i could see all 3 of the first possibilities coming about - maybe they are even likely to happen who can say for sure?

as with everything draft related you have to pick the player not the position like good teams do and you may be right that we end up with offensive pieces but its also quite likely given the defensive strength in the draft that our first pick is an edge rusher for example or our 2nd/3rd picks are defensive backs

-- fighting against the strength of the draft class in advance of the draft even happening is like swimming upstream when you have no destination to get to

If you think about it we always  draft on a need basis  when we drafted B.p. we needed wr when they took Mosley  they needed mlb when they drafted  Jimmy they needed cb  it's just we don't  reach  for a need

[PurpleHorseman]

13 minutes ago, Robbyrobbass said:

If you think about it we always  draft on a need basis  when we drafted B.p. we needed wr when they took Mosley  they needed mlb when they drafted  Jimmy they needed cb  it's just we don't  reach  for a need

Very true. However Elam and Perriman you could make a case were slight reaches. Elam was highly touted. But his stock was not doing so well by draft day. Scouts were beginning to identify what he couldn't do in the NFL.

And Perriman's stock heated up after his proday. His stock was already heating up a little for his big plays. But nobody was projecting round one. Nor was anybody guessing 4.3 much less 4.2 based on his game tape. All of his pre draft projections were sub 4.5 maybe. But even 4.45 speed Is very good for a WR of his size with all his downfield playmaking 

Edited March 31 by PurpleHorseman

[ravensnj]

Now Daniel Jeremiah has Christian McCaffrey at 14! 

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000797858/article/daniel-jeremiahs-top-50-prospects-for-2017-nfl-draft-40

 

Odds are dropping for us.

[Rahul]

1. DEFENSE wins Championship !
2. Decosta mentioned in the Pre-Draft conference call that we might pick a CB between RD 1 to RD 3
3. If there is a top flight Pass rusher at 16 we pull the trigger.
4. We can address WR/OL between RD 2 to RD 4

 

[ravensnj]

47 minutes ago, Rahul said:

1. DEFENSE wins Championship !
2. Decosta mentioned in the Pre-Draft conference call that we might pick a CB between RD 1 to RD 3
3. If there is a top flight Pass rusher at 16 we pull the trigger.
4. We can address WR/OL between RD 2 to RD 4

 

When you finally have the opportunity to grab a number one receiver (Williams or Davis) you do. We drafted defensive help last year and there are many "next man up" on the roster. We also filled holes in the defensive secondary through free agency, therefore, I can't see us not using the first pick on an absolute offensive stud. My pick is well known on this board and hopefully the Ravens staff catches wind of it. ......Christian McCaffrey!!!

[ravensnation5220]

The more we wait the more I think we will take an offensive player. Whether it's a receiver or offensive line im not sure. Mike Williams would probably offer us the biggest impact on our team

[rossihunter2]

19 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

The more we wait the more I think we will take an offensive player. Whether it's a receiver or offensive line im not sure. Mike Williams would probably offer us the biggest impact on our team

i really dont think it will be an offensive lineman now given the way decosta talked about the linemen in this draft and how they have so few targeted in each round

[ravensnj]

We are at 8, now.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000798178/article/report-panthers-host-christian-mccaffrey-on-visit

[JoeyFlex5]

On 3/31/2017 at 11:50 AM, Robbyrobbass said:

If you think about it we always  draft on a need basis  when we drafted B.p. we needed wr when they took Mosley  they needed mlb when they drafted  Jimmy they needed cb  it's just we don't  reach  for a need

When we drafted Mosley we had just signed Daryl smith to a somewhat large multi year deal and were 1 year removed from trading up for Arthur brown who we hadn't given up on yet, and we desperately needed a FS and passed on HHCD.

Also when we took Jernigan I was furious because I saw no need for another DT, solid pick and all but you get it.. 

aside from that one year though you're partially right. All of those picks can be argued as BPA as well though, jimmy was a top 10 talent with character concerns, Elam was in a terrible draft and at the time it was reasonable to call him BPA l, nobody could've guessed he would've been that damn stupid, in 2015 it was between perriman, Byron jones, and malcom brown and all 3 have been solid so far. It's definitely not cut and dry for the ravens, we take the player we think makes the biggest positive impact by balancing need and value.

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

Prediction: Jernigan was traded up to pick up higher third round pick. This trade gives us enough points to move up further.

Pick 74 is worth 220 and Pick 78 is worth 200. 

Pick 16 is worth 1000.

Pick 8 is worth 1400.

The Ravens trade picks 16, 74, and 78 for the 8th overall pick and select a WR. This trade is with the only plausible team in the top 15, the Carolina Panthers; just ahead of the bengals. 

Now you all can laugh and call me stupid because it's never been our philosophy..  but I promise you the second that it happens, I'm coming straight back here. 

 

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Bal

 

EDIT: just saw ravensnj posted about 8 above too. I definitely think the move up is a STRONG possibility 

Edited April 7 by PurpleandBlackBlood

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, PurpleandBlackBlood said:

Prediction: Jernigan was traded up to pick up higher third round pick. This trade gives us enough points to move up further.

Pick 74 is worth 220 and Pick 78 is worth 200. 

Pick 16 is worth 1000.

Pick 8 is worth 1400.

The Ravens trade picks 16, 74, and 78 for the 8th overall pick and select a WR. This trade is with the only plausible team in the top 15, the Carolina Panthers; just ahead of the bengals. 

Now you all can laugh and call me stupid because it's never been our philosophy..  but I promise you the second that it happens, I'm coming straight back here. 

 

http://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=Bal

 

EDIT: just saw ravensnj posted about 8 above too. I definitely think the move up is a STRONG possibility 

If we move ahead of the bengals I have a hard time believing it's for anyone but Barnett or foster. Both big needs and great fits who eh bengals are almost certainly taking one or the other

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we move ahead of the bengals I have a hard time believing it's for anyone but Barnett or foster. Both big needs and great fits who eh bengals are almost certainly taking one or the other

Yeah especially if our target is Corey Davis - he seems like the wr most likely to fall past the bengals given that he does similar things play-style wise to aj green while last year they missed sanu a lot - john Ross and mike Williams would make a lot more sense to bengals at receiver and that's if foster and/or Barnett aren't there because even moreso than the packers/steelers/Ravens the bengals have proven to religiously stick to their board away from need

[January J]

On 4/5/2017 at 3:58 PM, ravensnj said:

When you finally have the opportunity to grab a number one receiver (Williams or Davis) you do. We drafted defensive help last year and there are many "next man up" on the roster. We also filled holes in the defensive secondary through free agency, therefore, I can't see us not using the first pick on an absolute offensive stud. My pick is well known on this board and hopefully the Ravens staff catches wind of it. ......Christian McCaffrey!!!

I was with every single word you said all the way up until you said the name Christian McCaffrey...then you lost me along with all credibility. What in the world makes you think he would be a good fit or that he is even worth a first rounder? There used to be a time where nobody would even touch a running back in the first round period.

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If we move ahead of the bengals I have a hard time believing it's for anyone but Barnett or foster. Both big needs and great fits who eh bengals are almost certainly taking one or the other

For sure. That extra ammunition from the Jernigan trade will help with that if so. Thank god the comp picks are finally trade-able this year.

[AnthonyGames]

I think we can now wait till round 4 to get a high upside CB in this deep class if we resign Webb, which looks like we will! At CB we will have Jimmy Smith, Brandon Carr Tavon Young, and Ladarius Webb. On paper, that looks amazing! Then at safety we got Weddle and Jefferson. Webb can also be our backup safety. Love that Webb resigning! We also have Levine as a backup safety who could also play linebacker.

Then in the first three rounds, I think we go WR, pass rusher, O-line, and another at one of those positions.

[ravensnj]

5 hours ago, January J said:

I was with every single word you said all the way up until you said the name Christian McCaffrey...then you lost me along with all credibility. What in the world makes you think he would be a good fit or that he is even worth a first rounder? There used to be a time where nobody would even touch a running back in the first round period.

For sure. That extra ammunition from the Jernigan trade will help with that if so. Thank god the comp picks are finally trade-able this year.

I guess you don't get the concept of what McCaffrey can do for an offense. What he brings to the table as a wide receiver, running back, and returner.

[ellicottraven]

Here's how I see it. 

Round 1: BPA

Round 2: BPA

Round 3-1: BPA

Round 3-2: BPA

Round 4: BPA

Round 5: BPA

Round 6: BPA.

That's my best guess about what the Ravens do.

[January J]

17 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I guess you don't get the concept of what McCaffrey can do for an offense. What he brings to the table as a wide receiver, running back, and returner.

I understand the concept perfectly.. Just don't agree that his style would be a good fit for our current needs. Don't think he will be on our radar whatsoever.

[Deflated Football]

Been seeing a lot of Mike Williams to the Ravens in recent mocks. That would make me a very happy fan.