BmoreBird22's Mock Draft

[BmoreBird22]

So, generally I do my mocks where I'll write up a really long breakdown of each player and why I think the Ravens will take them, but the breakdown seems redundant with the several threads we have. If anyone has a question about what I see or what I like, just tag my name and I'll be more than happy to answer.

Round One: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

Mike Williams is my current top receiving prospect and it's been that way since last year, so why would I have him going at 16 to the Ravens? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mike Williams went in the top 10, but I think Tennessee is the best bet in the top 10 to take him and they have more pressing needs on defense. I would have also thought the Eagles would have gone WR, but with the recent signings of Torrey Smith and Alshon Jeffrey to pair with Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor, and Dorial Green-Bechkham, I just can't see them targeting a receiver. Other teams to watch may be Arizone (whom I expect to go QB) or Buffalo (whom I expect to go DB), but we shall see.

I think this is a great year for the Ravens to land a top tier receiver in the draft. I think this will finally give Joe the true number one receiver that he's never truly had to grow with (Perriman pending). If Perriman works out and Williams reaches even half of his potential, the Ravens would have an excellent wide receiver duo that's actually young for the first time in Joe's career. That's a big deal. If the Ravens want Joe playing better than he did last season, they've got to surround him with weapons and they can make that happen with the 16th overall pick.

Round Two: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington

The prognosis on Jones' achilles tear isn't horrible, but there's still a very good chance he misses a good portion of the 2017 season. If you aren't able to play day one as a rookie, you're going to drop in the draft. Remember Aaron Colvin? He tore his ACL in Senior Bowl practices and went from being a first round talent to a fourth round pick by the Jaguars. Given that Jones only tore his achilles and should recover quicker, it may only drop him a round or two. 

Fortunately for the Ravens, with the recent signing of Brandon Carr, the necessity to have Jones be ready day one has been mitigated. He can take his time and fully work back to being fully healthy and not be rushed into immediate action.

And on the bright side, the Ravens really wanted Marcus Peters back in 2015 and Jones works out routinely with Peters and seems to have taken up his aggressive, gambler attitude that makes Peters such a dangerous corner.

Round Three: Pat Elfein, OC/OG, Ohio State

The Ravens wanted to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front and not put as much focus onto players with finesse and fancy footwork. Luckily for the Ravens, Elfein has a great deal of core and leg strength to spark a run game and has a wrestling background that gives him a leg up in man to man blocking schemes. He's bigger, stronger, and nastier than Zuttah and might be the reason the Ravens haven't actually gone hard in on a center in free agency. 

In addition to being an exact fit for what the Ravens want to do offensively on the line, Elfein is also the most pro ready of any of the interior day prospects. He's the exact type of prospect that can come in and immediately be solid in pass pro, but really kick start an offensive line and the running game. 

He's also an excellent leader with relentless work ethic. He's just a match made in heaven for the Ravens. I would fully expect a trade up (maybe use that sixth from the 49ers), but since this is a mock, I'm not going to be doing any trades.

Round Three: Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston

He's not going to be the immediate answer that most fans are looking for at pass rush. He won't be a strong run defender and he might not even be a day one starter. However, Tyus Bowser will be an early starter in his career and he will be an impact pass rusher. He's just too athletic and too good in space to not be good. Bowser has also shown excellent improvement from 2015 to 2016. He's just scratching the surface of his potential and due to not blowing the college game up, he might fly under the radar by scouts who don't really dig deep into their prospects.

He doesn't give an immediate Suggs replacement, but he does give an immediate Doom replacement.

Round Four: Taylor Moton, OT/OG, Western Michigan

If I'm being honest, I'm not sure Moton ever really makes it out to right tackle, but he can still be a replacement for Marshal Yanda down the road. 

This pick, again, goes back to wanting to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front. Moton isn't the most athletic, but he's extremely thick and extremely strong. If you watch him against Ohio State in 2015, he just moves around the defensive line of Ohio State like they're little boys. He's going to be a road grader and a player who will have his way with his man when lined up with a hat on a hat.

Round Five: Sam Rogers, H-Back, Virginia Tech

Everyone gets one homer pick and this one is mine.

Rogers may not be a very well known prospect because he played fullback at Virginia Tech, but he's essentially a Juice clone. If the Ravens want to bring back in a strong lead blocker who can run the ball and catch the ball (and even throw it from time to time), then Rogers is the guy to target in this draft. And he's white, too. It'll be like Juice never left!

Rogers was an incredible leader with excellent work ethic for Tech and functioned as a jack of all trades for Tech. Just plug him into the offense and tell him to go to work. He'll do it all without a single complaint.

Round Six: Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami

Jenkins isn't the new age type of safety that teams gravitate toward with the ability to be a single high player, but he does fit well with what the Ravens may be moving toward after the signing of Tony Jefferson.

Jenkins has only average speed and instincts to be a single high safety, but has enough of both to be a two high safety. He's big, strong, and long and will punish players and make them think twice before catching the ball. That's more than enough to ask for when considering he'd be a sixth round pick. 

[ravensnation5220]

I like the mock a lot but with the depth and overall talent at offensive line lacking i have a feeling teams will feel reluctant to reach on the few that are worth drafting. Especially in the second round

[SepticeyePoe]

I would be really happy with this draft. 

[rossihunter2]

overall id love this as an overall draft

however, i have a couple of nitpicks: im not sure pat elflein will be available in the 3rd round if im honest - id love it if he fell but given the sparsity of linemen in the draft and i have a high 2nd round grade on him i cant see him making it out of the 2nd - i could even maybe see a team reach on him at the end of the first - if he's there though id jump for joy at that pick, i really dont like tyus bowser as a prospect and i really think he's a reach in the 3rd - if we could pick him up day 3 id be much happier but if im honest im not sure i like him as a prospect at all, im a big fan of taylor moton as well but much like elflein id be surprised at this point if he fell that far to the 4th, i know sam rogers is your homer pick but id hate that pick in the 5th, rayshawn jenkins i think may well go undrafted - theres a couple of late day 3 dbs id take flyers on ahead of him but he'd be an ok pick as a flyer (id much prefer him go undrafted and come into training camp as a UDFA)

[Edgar]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, generally I do my mocks where I'll write up a really long breakdown of each player and why I think the Ravens will take them, but the breakdown seems redundant with the several threads we have. If anyone has a question about what I see or what I like, just tag my name and I'll be more than happy to answer.

Round One: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson

Mike Williams is my current top receiving prospect and it's been that way since last year, so why would I have him going at 16 to the Ravens? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Mike Williams went in the top 10, but I think Tennessee is the best bet in the top 10 to take him and they have more pressing needs on defense. I would have also thought the Eagles would have gone WR, but with the recent signings of Torrey Smith and Alshon Jeffrey to pair with Jordan Matthews, Nelson Agholor, and Dorial Green-Bechkham, I just can't see them targeting a receiver. Other teams to watch may be Arizone (whom I expect to go QB) or Buffalo (whom I expect to go DB), but we shall see.

I think this is a great year for the Ravens to land a top tier receiver in the draft. I think this will finally give Joe the true number one receiver that he's never truly had to grow with (Perriman pending). If Perriman works out and Williams reaches even half of his potential, the Ravens would have an excellent wide receiver duo that's actually young for the first time in Joe's career. That's a big deal. If the Ravens want Joe playing better than he did last season, they've got to surround him with weapons and they can make that happen with the 16th overall pick.

Round Two: Sidney Jones, CB, Washington

The prognosis on Jones' achilles tear isn't horrible, but there's still a very good chance he misses a good portion of the 2017 season. If you aren't able to play day one as a rookie, you're going to drop in the draft. Remember Aaron Colvin? He tore his ACL in Senior Bowl practices and went from being a first round talent to a fourth round pick by the Jaguars. Given that Jones only tore his achilles and should recover quicker, it may only drop him a round or two. 

Fortunately for the Ravens, with the recent signing of Brandon Carr, the necessity to have Jones be ready day one has been mitigated. He can take his time and fully work back to being fully healthy and not be rushed into immediate action.

And on the bright side, the Ravens really wanted Marcus Peters back in 2015 and Jones works out routinely with Peters and seems to have taken up his aggressive, gambler attitude that makes Peters such a dangerous corner.

Round Three: Pat Elfein, OC/OG, Ohio State

The Ravens wanted to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front and not put as much focus onto players with finesse and fancy footwork. Luckily for the Ravens, Elfein has a great deal of core and leg strength to spark a run game and has a wrestling background that gives him a leg up in man to man blocking schemes. He's bigger, stronger, and nastier than Zuttah and might be the reason the Ravens haven't actually gone hard in on a center in free agency. 

In addition to being an exact fit for what the Ravens want to do offensively on the line, Elfein is also the most pro ready of any of the interior day prospects. He's the exact type of prospect that can come in and immediately be solid in pass pro, but really kick start an offensive line and the running game. 

He's also an excellent leader with relentless work ethic. He's just a match made in heaven for the Ravens. I would fully expect a trade up (maybe use that sixth from the 49ers), but since this is a mock, I'm not going to be doing any trades.

Round Three: Tyus Bowser, OLB, Houston

He's not going to be the immediate answer that most fans are looking for at pass rush. He won't be a strong run defender and he might not even be a day one starter. However, Tyus Bowser will be an early starter in his career and he will be an impact pass rusher. He's just too athletic and too good in space to not be good. Bowser has also shown excellent improvement from 2015 to 2016. He's just scratching the surface of his potential and due to not blowing the college game up, he might fly under the radar by scouts who don't really dig deep into their prospects.

He doesn't give an immediate Suggs replacement, but he does give an immediate Doom replacement.

Round Four: Taylor Moton, OT/OG, Western Michigan

If I'm being honest, I'm not sure Moton ever really makes it out to right tackle, but he can still be a replacement for Marshal Yanda down the road. 

This pick, again, goes back to wanting to get bigger, stronger, and nastier up front. Moton isn't the most athletic, but he's extremely thick and extremely strong. If you watch him against Ohio State in 2015, he just moves around the defensive line of Ohio State like they're little boys. He's going to be a road grader and a player who will have his way with his man when lined up with a hat on a hat.

Round Five: Sam Rogers, H-Back, Virginia Tech

Everyone gets one homer pick and this one is mine.

Rogers may not be a very well known prospect because he played fullback at Virginia Tech, but he's essentially a Juice clone. If the Ravens want to bring back in a strong lead blocker who can run the ball and catch the ball (and even throw it from time to time), then Rogers is the guy to target in this draft. And he's white, too. It'll be like Juice never left!

Rogers was an incredible leader with excellent work ethic for Tech and functioned as a jack of all trades for Tech. Just plug him into the offense and tell him to go to work. He'll do it all without a single complaint.

Round Six: Rayshawn Jenkins, S, Miami

Jenkins isn't the new age type of safety that teams gravitate toward with the ability to be a single high player, but he does fit well with what the Ravens may be moving toward after the signing of Tony Jefferson.

Jenkins has only average speed and instincts to be a single high safety, but has enough of both to be a two high safety. He's big, strong, and long and will punish players and make them think twice before catching the ball. That's more than enough to ask for when considering he'd be a sixth round pick. 

Overall, I find this mock disappointing and unrealistic (of course, no one knows where a  player will go for certain to be sure but I won't resist pretending I do).

1) I like Williams but I'd be curious as to else you have available at your projected selection.

2) Jones makes sense because of value but you selected no other CB'S in this mock.....leaving us staying pat this year at the position as Jones will likely miss. In a year with so many guys available in mid rounds with potential to start, my opinion is you miss out majorly in that regard.

3) Like to see Elflein there but I really doubt it. Great pro ready and versatile lineman would offer crazy fortune if he were there.

3) I've watched Bowser....tell me what convinces you about him? 

4) Moton probably not there.

5) haven't watched

6) probably my favorite pick.....a future starter for us.

 

[allblackraven]

I'm little surprised since we talked about it little bit before but I like it for the most part. I would probably try to get better edge rusher in 2nd and wait for Jones in rd 3, I think he might slip that far.

[RavensDieHard21]

5 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm little surprised since we talked about it little bit before but I like it for the most part. I would probably try to get better edge rusher in 2nd and wait for Jones in rd 3, I think he might slip that far.

I don't think so. He will not escape the second. There are teams out there like the Cowboys or Jags that have shown they're not afraid of taking top 10 talented players with injuries, hence Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack.  

Sidney Jones pre-injury was arguably the best in class CB. I think teams willing to wait will be rewarded. I'd snag him in the second no doubt

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I don't think so. He will not escape the second. There are teams out there like the Cowboys or Jags that have shown they're not afraid of taking top 10 talented players with injuries, hence Jaylon Smith and Myles Jack.  

Sidney Jones pre-injury was arguably the best in class CB. I think teams willing to wait will be rewarded. I'd snag him in the second no doubt

Maybe but I doubt it will be Cowboys in Sidney Jones case - they need to draft entire secondary to have someone to line up next season. Can't rely on rookie recovering from achilles.

[RavensDieHard21]

I'd love this draft and I think Elflein is worth trading up for. We would have two young anchors on our line with Stanley and him, plus the last few years with Yanda. 

Realistically I think we would need to sneak back into the back end of the second. Maybe a third and fourth could get that done. If not, Moton or Orlosky in the third would be good moves too

[RavensDieHard21]

7 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Maybe but I doubt it will be Cowboys in Sidney Jones case - they need to draft entire secondary to have someone to line up next season. Can't rely on rookie recovering from achilles.

I agree there, but I guess it was more of an example that in past draft team's are not afraid to take those gambles. Look out for Cleveland

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I'm little surprised since we talked about it little bit before but I like it for the most part. I would probably try to get better edge rusher in 2nd and wait for Jones in rd 3, I think he might slip that far.

You know, I was really thinking about that, but I didn't want all the, "It's so unrealistic comments." If I were to put Jones in the third, I'd slot in Lawson, Watt, or Anderson, not necessarily in that order. 

I think there's actually a chance Tim Williams falls to the third based on his off the field concerns, but I think Ozzie has enough connections to make sure that he'd be a good pick. 

Before the injury to Jones, I would have been all for taking a corner in round one and pass rusher in round two, but because of Jones injury likely allowing him to fall further, I think the Ravens can stand to wait a wee bit longer on corner/pass rusher.

[Edgar]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree there, but I guess it was more of an example that in past draft team's are not afraid to take those gambles. Look out for Cleveland

Yeah, Jones feels like Cleveland.

[BmoreBird22]

@rossihunter2 @Edgar Regarding Elfein, I would see Lamp, Feeney, Dawkins, Robinson, Boles, and Ramchyzk all going before Elfein. That's six lineman I could see going before the Ravens pick in the third. I think we should also remember Elfein isn't very mobile, so he's only going to be looked at by man-to-man blocking teams, so that already limits his suitors. 

I would think he goes late second/early third at the highest.

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think there's actually a chance Tim Williams falls to the third based on his off the field concerns, but I think Ozzie has enough connections to make sure that he'd be a good pick.

the only mock or impression ive seen that has williams falling to the third or even close to it is chad reuter's recent 4 round mock which was a mishmash of good picks and absolute travesties - i have to say that all the info at the moment is pointing towards williams's problems not manifesting themselves that much in his draft stock but i guess we can hope - if he fell to the 2nd id take him there - i wouldnt wait for the 3rd

[Edgar]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@rossihunter2 @Edgar Regarding Elfein, I would see Lamp, Feeney, Dawkins, Robinson, Boles, and Ramchyzk all going before Elfein. That's six lineman I could see going before the Ravens pick in the third. I think we should also remember Elfein isn't very mobile, so he's only going to be looked at by man-to-man blocking teams, so that already limits his suitors. 

I would think he goes late second/early third at the highest.

Ok. But all those guys with the exception of Dawkins are mid 1 to early 2.

 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

@rossihunter2 @Edgar Regarding Elfein, I would see Lamp, Feeney, Dawkins, Robinson, Boles, and Ramchyzk all going before Elfein. That's six lineman I could see going before the Ravens pick in the third. I think we should also remember Elfein isn't very mobile, so he's only going to be looked at by man-to-man blocking teams, so that already limits his suitors. 

I would think he goes late second/early third at the highest.

i have elflein at a similar position to you vs the other linemen you mentioned (i have him ahead of dawkins) but i still have him as an early 2nd rounder - id really be surprised if only 6 linemen went before the 3rd round given the dearth of quality olinemen in the league at the moment - enough teams will probably reach on linemen (including maybe on elflein) just to get one

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

Ok. But all those guys with the exception of Dawkins are mid 1 to early 2.

 

even dawkins i could see going early on in the 2nd round if a team falls in love with him / is extremely needy and missed out on the other guys, especially at tackle (ostensibly i see dawkins as pretty much the 2nd tackle in the class behind ramzcyk because i project all the other guys as interior guys)

[BmoreBird22]

9 hours ago, Edgar said:

Overall, I find this mock disappointing and unrealistic (of course, no one knows where a  player will go for certain to be sure but I won't resist pretending I do).

1) I like Williams but I'd be curious as to else you have available at your projected selection.

2) Jones makes sense because of value but you selected no other CB'S in this mock.....leaving us staying pat this year at the position as Jones will likely miss. In a year with so many guys available in mid rounds with potential to start, my opinion is you miss out majorly in that regard.

3) Like to see Elflein there but I really doubt it. Great pro ready and versatile lineman would offer crazy fortune if he were there.

3) I've watched Bowser....tell me what convinces you about him? 

4) Moton probably not there.

5) haven't watched

6) probably my favorite pick.....a future starter for us.

If I had to mock it all the way out, I'd have it going 1. Garrett 2. Allen (I know there are concerns over his shoulders, but I'm not seeing how serious it is yet according to teams) 3. Adams 4. Thomas 5. Hooker 6. Trubisky 7. Lattimore 8. Fournette 9. Foster 10. Howard 11. Barnett 12. Watson 13. Kizer 14. Wilson 15. Boles

I think the Ravens currently have three capable corners and grabbing a fourth would give the Ravens four capable of starting. There are more pressing needs than to really go heavy in on a corner laden draft.

Bowser, for me, is just hitting the potential that he has. He was a basketball player on top of being a football player, so he moves really well for his size and has great athleticism. When he finally fully committed to football, he really started to get a lot better. He's got to learn more moves and add more weight, but he's a very high potential player.

Moton is a very small school prospect who isn't day one ready and may have a future at guard over tackle, so that'll knock him some.

He's a fullback, so not too exciting. 

Edited March 19 by BmoreBird22

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

the only mock or impression ive seen that has williams falling to the third or even close to it is chad reuter's recent 4 round mock which was a mishmash of good picks and absolute travesties - i have to say that all the info at the moment is pointing towards williams's problems not manifesting themselves that much in his draft stock but i guess we can hope - if he fell to the 2nd id take him there - i wouldnt wait for the 3rd

I know Matt Miller has him really low rated because of off the field and he's consistently communicating with teams, so I don't know. I can't remember what he said about Williams at the combine. He said one prospect with some off the field was really bad in interviews and it might have been Williams.

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Ok. But all those guys with the exception of Dawkins are mid 1 to early 2.

 

3 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

even dawkins i could see going early on in the 2nd round if a team falls in love with him / is extremely needy and missed out on the other guys, especially at tackle (ostensibly i see dawkins as pretty much the 2nd tackle in the class behind ramzcyk because i project all the other guys as interior guys)

We have to remember that even if they are rated highly, there's a lot of very quality pass rushers in the first two rounds, very quality corners in the first two, always quarterback needy teams, some very quality corners in the first two rounds, five other lineman that I think could go before Elfein (who is scheme limited), and some very good linebackers. 

We have to weigh out what teams are going to pick. Teams are very much going to flock to quarterback, pass rusher, corner and safety above all else, and given the immense depth of PR (OLB and DL), CB, and S, teams will go for those very quickly. I think Indi will draft a lineman in the first and I think Seattle will. That's it for me in the first. 

I think Elfein has a good chance to fall.

[ravensnation5220]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know Matt Miller has him really low rated because of off the field and he's consistently communicating with teams, so I don't know. I can't remember what he said about Williams at the combine. He said one prospect with some off the field was really bad in interviews and it might have been Williams.

Mike williams? I always thought he sounded really uneducated in interviews to be honest. 

Did you know Matt Miller had the ravens taking cook in his latest mock

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Mike williams? I always thought he sounded really uneducated in interviews to be honest. 

Did you know Matt Miller had the ravens taking cook in his latest mock

No, Tim Williams.

I know he does and Miller does his mocks with the idea that the teams needs that position and then mocks a player where he thinks they're rated, not necessarily where he thinks they'll actually go.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No, Tim Williams.

I know he does and Miller does his mocks with the idea that the teams needs that position and then mocks a player where he thinks they're rated, not necessarily where he thinks they'll actually go.

Oh I thought Tim did pretty well with the combine interview. I wonder what went wrong

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Oh I thought Tim did pretty well with the combine interview. I wonder what went wrong

I don't know that it was him. There was just one player with off the field that bombed it. I wish I could remember who.

[rossihunter2]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I know Matt Miller has him really low rated because of off the field and he's consistently communicating with teams, so I don't know. I can't remember what he said about Williams at the combine. He said one prospect with some off the field was really bad in interviews and it might have been Williams.

i find it hard to believe he interviewed badly given how he comported himself with the media - he held up honesty as one of his virtues and through admitted his own character problems with drugs etc. - so either he lied about being honest in which case he's stupid enough that i cant believe he made it this far (especially given the way he owned his issues) or he was honest in which case i have to believe that he was telling the truth when he thought his interviews went well - so if it was williams that interviewed terribly then that's surprising to me

[ravensnation5220]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know that it was him. There was just one player with off the field that bombed it. I wish I could remember who.

Maybe it was foster? Or even cook

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

We have to remember that even if they are rated highly, there's a lot of very quality pass rushers in the first two rounds, very quality corners in the first two, always quarterback needy teams, some very quality corners in the first two rounds, five other lineman that I think could go before Elfein (who is scheme limited), and some very good linebackers. 

We have to weigh out what teams are going to pick. Teams are very much going to flock to quarterback, pass rusher, corner and safety above all else, and given the immense depth of PR (OLB and DL), CB, and S, teams will go for those very quickly. I think Indi will draft a lineman in the first and I think Seattle will. That's it for me in the first. 

I think Elfein has a good chance to fall.

i dont know that there will be such a run on qbs this year (i do say that every year but this year really feels like teams are honing in on how bad the quality is - id be surprised if more than 5 (maybe 6) qbs went before day 3)

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Oh I thought Tim did pretty well with the combine interview. I wonder what went wrong

 

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Maybe it was foster? Or even cook

 

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't know that it was him. There was just one player with off the field that bombed it. I wish I could remember who.

after thinking about it i have a feeling you're thinking of malik mcdowell

[ravensnation5220]

Just now, rossihunter2 said:

 

 

after thinking about it i have a feeling you're thinking of malik mcdowell

Ya Walter football said McDowell, Brantley interviewed poorly and tabor had mixed reviews so you could be right

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

 

 

after thinking about it i have a feeling you're thinking of malik mcdowell

This sounds a little better. McDowell was probably it.