My 3 takeaways from the Brandon Carr signing...

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎3‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 10:48 PM, ellicottraven said:

My first takeaway is Thank God for Brandon Carr! My second takeaway is Thank God that Claiborne didn't immediately agree to our $5M/yr offer. My third takeaway is Thank God the Ravens didn't offer more money to sign Claiborne because he would've agreed and become Eugene Monroe's second coming!!!!

like the fac brandan carr is durable did u kno he has been a starter evah since his rookie season and has nevah missed a game. which prolly means acl for us.  hes also a pretty good tackler. but what hes not is dinamic and at this stage beatable. not sayn he wont help some. we had some pretty bad guys on the edges. jus doan see the difference maker.  every move is da death by 1000 pin prics

[ellicottraven]

20 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

like the fac brandan carr is durable did u kno he has been a starter evah since his rookie season and has nevah missed a game. which prolly means acl for us.  hes also a pretty good tackler. but what hes not is dinamic and at this stage beatable. not sayn he wont help some. we had some pretty bad guys on the edges. jus doan see the difference maker.  every move is da death by 1000 pin prics

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I think my IQ just dropped by 30 points. 

[PurpleHorseman]

Not a fan of the Carr signing at all. He is an average player entering season 10. Ravens should of signed Claiborne. But have to take the chance on greatness and a true cornerstone player. Have to!!! With Jefferson and Weddle at safety Claiborne has skills to be a top3 cornerback. And give us a real cornerstone player on defense. I know he has quite the injury history but he has hit his stride and his latest injury was kinda flukish. If he plays most of th games and playoffs the ravens easily have the best secondary in the league.

im on board with the Jefferson signing. He is a a stud that is getting better by the game. I initially hated the signing because of ignoring the promised dominant offensive line. And his 4.75 40 and box playing style in a throw the ball league. However he clearly has the speed athleticism and instincts to play deep safety. By far he can. He can close as fast a earl thomas. If ravens play him at free safety he could be as good as earl Thomas and have 5 ints if offenses  feel like testing him.

I don't talk myself into liking signings or picks that I initially dislike only cuz he is a raven. But Jefferson is a phenom! He could be the best free safety in football if that is what ravens do with him. He closes like lightning and strikes like a cobra with top shelf football i.q. and instincts.

But I do not like signing Carr over Claiborne. Carr represents a hopefully solid signing to hopefully make secondary stout enough to do its part to make playoffs. Claiborne if healthy would make our secondary a no fly zone that puts the squeeze on offenses air attacks. And give the defense an identity until we find a dominant edge rusher. Carr is an upgrade but Jefferson could be the best safety 

anybody have any tips for navigating all 22?

Edited April 1 by PurpleHorseman

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Not a fan of the Carr signing at all. He is an average player entering season 10. Ravens should of signed Claiborne. But have to take the chance on greatness and a true cornerstone player. Have to!!! With Jefferson and Weddle at safety Claiborne has skills to be a top3 cornerback. And give us a real cornerstone player on defense. I know he has quite the injury history but he has hit his stride and his latest injury was kinda flukish. If he plays most of th games and playoffs the ravens easily have the best secondary in the league.

im on board with the Jefferson signing. He is a a stud that is getting better by the game. I initially hated the signing because of ignoring the promised dominant offensive line. And his 4.75 40 and box playing style in a throw the ball league. However he clearly has the speed athleticism and instincts to play deep safety. By far he can. He can close as fast a earl thomas. If ravens play him at free safety he could be as good as earl Thomas and have 5 ints if offenses  feel like testing him.

I don't talk myself into liking signings or picks that I initially dislike only cuz he is a raven. But Jefferson is a phenom! He could be the best free safety in football if that is what ravens do with him. He closes like lightning and strikes like a cobra with top shelf football i.q. and instincts.

But I do not like signing Carr over Claiborne. Carr represents a hopefully solid signing to hopefully make secondary stout enough to do its part to make playoffs. Claiborne if healthy would make our secondary a no fly zone that puts the squeeze on offenses air attacks. And give the defense an identity until we find a dominant edge rusher. Carr is an upgrade but Jefferson could be the best safety 

anybody have any tips for navigating all 22?

And what happens if Claiborne doesn't put it together? Would be interested for somebody came up with a list of the types of players who were average to below average players (which Claiborne has been) for the first 4-5 years of their career and then all of the sudden "put it together"? I don't think that list is going to be very long.

I would argue that durability at Corner is actually more important to this team at the moment than actual quality of play. You can take risks on young corners who can "put it together" in the draft... especially in the middle rounds. Paying a guy $4-5M a year or more in FA isn't exactly the time when you start throwing darts at players hoping they pay off.

Carr isn't a great corner. But he's a durable one who you can typically count on to be out there. I'd rather have the average to above average corner at 16 games a year than the great corner at 8-10 games a year. The former is going to return move value every single time.

[RayRayRaven]

9 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Not a fan of the Carr signing at all. He is an average player entering season 10. Ravens should of signed Claiborne. But have to take the chance on greatness and a true cornerstone player. Have to!!! With Jefferson and Weddle at safety Claiborne has skills to be a top3 cornerback. And give us a real cornerstone player on defense. I know he has quite the injury history but he has hit his stride and his latest injury was kinda flukish. If he plays most of th games and playoffs the ravens easily have the best secondary in the league.

im on board with the Jefferson signing. He is a a stud that is getting better by the game. I initially hated the signing because of ignoring the promised dominant offensive line. And his 4.75 40 and box playing style in a throw the ball league. However he clearly has the speed athleticism and instincts to play deep safety. By far he can. He can close as fast a earl thomas. If ravens play him at free safety he could be as good as earl Thomas and have 5 ints if offenses  feel like testing him.

I don't talk myself into liking signings or picks that I initially dislike only cuz he is a raven. But Jefferson is a phenom! He could be the best free safety in football if that is what ravens do with him. He closes like lightning and strikes like a cobra with top shelf football i.q. and instincts.

But I do not like signing Carr over Claiborne. Carr represents a hopefully solid signing to hopefully make secondary stout enough to do its part to make playoffs. Claiborne if healthy would make our secondary a no fly zone that puts the squeeze on offenses air attacks. And give the defense an identity until we find a dominant edge rusher. Carr is an upgrade but Jefferson could be the best safety 

anybody have any tips for navigating all 22?

i'm with ya cuz I thought we needed a coverge corner. carr had his day but we desparate need dynamic p layas

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And what happens if Claiborne doesn't put it together? Would be interested for somebody came up with a list of the types of players who were average to below average players (which Claiborne has been) for the first 4-5 years of their career and then all of the sudden "put it together"? I don't think that list is going to be very long.

I would argue that durability at Corner is actually more important to this team at the moment than actual quality of play. You can take risks on young corners who can "put it together" in the draft... especially in the middle rounds. Paying a guy $4-5M a year or more in FA isn't exactly the time when you start throwing darts at players hoping they pay off.

Carr isn't a great corner. But he's a durable one who you can typically count on to be out there. I'd rather have the average to above average corner at 16 games a year than the great corner at 8-10 games a year. The former is going to return move value every single time.

I disagree. A team full of average players means 8-8. The average player isn't taking you anywhere. Like Cal Ripken later in his career. Played every game but batted .250. A great player give me 10 games and the playoffs and that is more than the average guy can give in 150 games. Take into account an average cornerback going into season 10.  Playing every game isn't helping the team if he is getting beat like drums.

Claiborne least gives you the opportunity for a difference maker. No surprise great players with an injury history are consistently drafted before average players. Denver took a chance on Peyton Manning as opposed to an average or below average quarterback. That isn't helping any

Edited April 1 by PurpleHorseman

[Willbacker]

47 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I disagree. A team full of average players means 8-8. The average player isn't taking you anywhere. Like Cal Ripken later in his career. Played every game but batted .250. A great player give me 10 games and the playoffs and that is more than the average guy can give in 150 games. Take into account an average cornerback going into season 10.  Playing every game isn't helping the team if he is getting beat like drums.

Claiborne least gives you the opportunity for a difference maker. No surprise great players with an injury history are consistently drafted before average players. Denver took a chance on Peyton Manning as opposed to an average or below average quarterback. That isn't helping any

Carr does not get beat like drums lol. Teams targeted Claiborne more for good reason. His players were open..

[PurpleHorseman]

49 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Carr does not get beat like drums lol. Teams targeted Claiborne more for good reason. His players were open..

He is a career average player. But going into season 10. Even great cornerbacks slow down going into season 10. Claiborne was beginning to play to his draft status. He has injury history but to upside is elite. If he could finally shake the injury bug. We could be getting a $16million a year cornerback and defensive playmaker at cheaper rate. Because of his injuries.

A playmaking cornerback would put an exclamation point on a dominant secondary. A real playmaking cornerback.  That in turn would allow exotic blitzes by the front 7

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is a career average player. But going into season 10. Even great cornerbacks slow down going into season 10. Claiborne was beginning to play to his draft status. He has injury history but to upside is elite. If he could finally shake the injury bug. We could be getting a $16million a year cornerback and defensive playmaker at cheaper rate. Because of his injuries.

A playmaking cornerback would put an exclamation point on a dominant secondary. A real playmaking cornerback.  That in turn would allow exotic blitzes by the front 7

Well you have to ask yourself why he only got a 1 yr 5 mil contract. I'm sure its not cuz he's betting on himself. Basically you can compare this to stock options. You can either have the steady eddie or the the stock that can fluctuate violently. We already have one injury prone CB......... just saying. Ever watch Darrel Green play? Dude played 20 yrs.

I also believe you giving Claiborne too much credit with this playmaking cornerback stuff. Not saying he cant be but he has yet to prove it and he's been in the league 6 yrs. Carr has shown it year in and year and he's been a starter since day 1.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I disagree. A team full of average players means 8-8. The average player isn't taking you anywhere. Like Cal Ripken later in his career. Played every game but batted .250. A great player give me 10 games and the playoffs and that is more than the average guy can give in 150 games. Take into account an average cornerback going into season 10.  Playing every game isn't helping the team if he is getting beat like drums.

Claiborne least gives you the opportunity for a difference maker. No surprise great players with an injury history are consistently drafted before average players. Denver took a chance on Peyton Manning as opposed to an average or below average quarterback. That isn't helping any

Yeah except we're not talking about a team full of average players. We are talking about ONE average player at a position where we already have two well above average players. You're making a gross generalization and applying it to an entire team.

I still see nothing on game film or anything in the last few years that makes anybody think Claiborne is a difference maker. Feels like you're judging him based on his college track record and actually ignoring what he put on tape in the Pros, which was certainly nothing spectacular.

The Peyton Manning example could also prove my point, considering the last time you saw him he was the average, injured QB, got replaced by somebody else, and nothing changed on the team. The year they actually won the SB, he was without question one of the worst starting players on that team, and easily one of the worst starting QBs in the whole league that year.

I'd also like to see some examples of the "great college players with injury history getting drafted before average one's", and in particular, which one's actually panned out. Feels like if I went back through draft history I'd show the exact opposite is happening. Also a pretty weak argument, considering we don't anoint great players based on how they played in college, so its hard to label drafted players as such.