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[News] Late For Work 3/16: What's The Holdup? Morris Claiborne Wants More Money, But Ravens Not Budging

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2 hours ago, Edug27 said:

So... How good is this Corey Davis? 

Based off tape, which is all we'll get from him and is skewed in his favor since he played at Western Michigan against Mike Williams playing in the ACC, he looks really really good. My personal favorite of the top 3 guys, and the fact he isn't working out for teams before the draft could work out in our favor. I'm banging the Reuben Foster drum right now, but if we went WR round 1 he'd be my guy.  

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  4 hours ago, krnraven said:
  4 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

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10 games of Claiborne > Malcolm Butler...

Add in that Claiborne will likely be cheaper than Butler as well here in 2 years... Plus you get to keep the draft pick. 

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3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

10 games of Claiborne > Malcolm Butler...

Add in that Claiborne will likely be cheaper than Butler as well here in 2 years... Plus you get to keep the draft pick. 

10 games of Claiborne would be spread out over 2-3 years, dude gets injured more than Jimmy. I would view him about the same amount of help as Lewis, Stewart, Arrington, Elam, Brooks and Wright..  We are better off without him than we will be if he does sign, all hopes of drafting a Corner to start would be thrown out the window.

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Seems like Brandon Carr will be wearing purple and black instead this year.

And now it's official.
The least that can be said is that it definitely has the potential to turn out as a good signing.Less talent than Claiborne, but definitely more consistency and extreme durability.

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10 games of Claiborne > Malcolm Butler...

Add in that Claiborne will likely be cheaper than Butler as well here in 2 years... Plus you get to keep the draft pick. 

... and at this point he's likely going to be a Jet.

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Just announced Ravens sign Branden Carr. 1 year deal with multiple options up to 4 yr 24 mil, likely 2 yrs 12mil.
Pretty good just got a starting CB. Solid move, this gives flexability to Ozzie in the draft. Not saying you overlook CB cause we still need another top flight CB but if Ozzie feels now that Mike Williams,Dalvin Cook,Corey Davis etc 1 of those offensive gamechangers at 16 or in round 2 could make a difference you could hold off on CB til rnd 3

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We just signed Brandon Carr to a four year deal.... I am assuming that means that we grew tiered of Morris Claibornes games. I would have loved to bring Claiborne in but Carr brings some experience and depth to our DBackfield and a little more insurance. Plus if he can return to his old form... this could be a steal. At minimum Carr adds solid depth... and maximum maybe we found another gem at the end of his career... who will come to BMORE and produce.

Now to get Mangold and some offensive help before the draft.

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8 hours ago, krnraven said:
12 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  6 hours ago, krnraven said:
  7 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

 

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5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
8 hours ago, krnraven said:
  8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  8 hours ago, krnraven said:
  9 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

 

It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there.

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  5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  7 hours ago, krnraven said:
  11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  12 hours ago, krnraven said:
  12 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

Fans need to get off this notion that signing somebody in FA means we won't draft that position in the draft. We do it every year.

It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there.

We will still draft a corner in the first 3 rounds. This signing ain't changing our draft boards.

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I'm sorry but anyone that wanted Claiborne over Carr......?????????? A guy that has missed more games to injury than playing, in his whole career!! And he's not even good......CMON MAN

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16 hours ago, Edug27 said:

So... How good is this Corey Davis? 

I think he's the best WR in the draft. I like him more than Williams and Ross.

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The corner position has been a mash unit for years so let's overpay for an average corner with a history of being injury prone. Seems logical. This is the deepest class of CB's in years so address the corner position in the draft. There should be solid #2 caliber CBs in the top two rds. I wouldn't pay Claibourne more than $4mill a year. If he doesn't take this $5mill offer he is a bonehead.

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19 hours ago, krnraven said:
21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
23 hours ago, krnraven said:
  21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  22 hours ago, krnraven said:
  22 hours ago, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

 

It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there.

1. We got a 30 year old CB who is as durable as it comes at the position. We wanted reliability there, and that's what we got.

2. We have no idea if there's many quality starters in that group or not. All speculation and guessing at this point.  I can tell you the last time I heard about a Corner class this good, it had a lot of good players, and a lot of busts, especially in the first two rounds.

Entirely possible that we draft a Corner early, and entirely possible that said Corner turns out to not be a very good football player.

There are no guarantees in the draft.

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Now you're just making excuses for your weak argument.

Yes, it's possible that some draft picks don't work out. What are you not going draft and fill every hole via FA because of the chance of the pick not panning out? No. At some point you have to draft for positions and we have a scouting dept whose job is to scout these players.

The draft lines up us for CB but we will not take 1 in the first 2 rounds. There are quality starters within those rounds despite what you may think that would be same or better than Carr and younger + cheaper.

Come draft time you will see I was right.

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  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  14 hours ago, krnraven said:
  16 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  19 hours ago, krnraven said:
  23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:
  23 hours ago, krnraven said:
  On 3/16/2017 at 10:08 AM, The Greek said:

even 5 per year is too much for someone as brittle as him.

Agreed, let's get CBs from the draft. This is a young man's game.

Will do both. Adding a veteran Corner isn't nearly enough to address the position, and it wouldn't stop us from targeting one early in the draft either.

Adding Claiborne does make a difference, It would push the need to pick a CB to later rounds. We also need more than 1 corner from this draft.

Claiborne's possible signing would put these needs off to later rounds and would basically mean we are getting only one corner in the mid rounds. We need a corner out the first 2 rounds and another in the 3-4 round. Both salaries combined would still be less than what that fool is asking for.

2 players for less than the price of 1 who is merely a band-aid is the better choice. They would also be younger and more durable cause anyone is more durable than him. So yes Claiborne would prohibit us from drafting cbs where we should.

All of this is moot, since we signed Carr instead of Claiborne.

But regardless, the signing of either player doesn't even remotely push back the need for a Corner in the draft, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from drafting one on day 1 or day 2.

Can never have too many corners, and signing somebody like a Carr or Claiborne is going to be a mostly short-term deal with little guaranteed money, meaning he may only be on the team for a year or two.

Carr's deal, as we see it now, is roughly a 2 year deal with a bunch of options. If you're using a draft pick on a corner, regardless of round, it could easily take that long to develop them into starter quality, and with 3 corners already on the roster, we're in a prime spot to take a stab at such a guy and let them play in nickel/dime coverages for the first year or two.

There's very few FA signings that we have made or will make that will prevent us from using an early round pick on that position. The fact that we have Weddle and Jefferson doesn't even remotely mean that we wouldn't take a Safety in the first round or in day two. In fact, I think we very well may.

 

It's not moot. The premise is the same. Yay!! we got a serviceable 30 yr old corner. We will now only draft one cb and watch us not select a corner in the first 2 rounds when the draft has a bunch of starters there.

1. We got a 30 year old CB who is as durable as it comes at the position. I was told by most fans that we wanted reliability there, and that's what we got.

2. We have no idea if there's many quality starters in that group or not. All speculation and guessing at this point. Fans way too often make definitive statements about a draft class months before the draft, based on what some analyst says. Could be right, or could be incredibly wrong. I can tell you the last time I heard about a Corner class this good, it had a lot of good players, and a lot of busts, especially in the first two rounds.

Entirely possible that we draft a Corner early, and entirely possible that said Corner turns out to not be a very good football player. In which case we did exactly what fans wanted, and it didn't work out... so shouldn't the fans be held accountable for that then?

There are no guarantees in the draft. People need to understand this very quickly.

Now you're just making excuses for your weak argument.

Yes, it's possible that some draft picks don't work out. What are you not going draft and fill every hole via FA because of the chance of the pick not panning out? No. At some point you have to draft for positions and we have a scouting dept whose job is to scout these players.

The draft lines up us for CB but we will not take 1 in the first 2 rounds. There are quality starters within those rounds despite what you may think that would be same or better than Carr and younger + cheaper.

Come draft time you will see I was right.

But again, you keep viewing this as a choice between FA OR Draft. That's not the choice you have to make. It can be a choice of FA AND Draft, which I'm saying it will be.

No, you can't fill every hole through FA. What you also can't do is fill every hole through the draft, especially when your recent draft history isn't quite up to par with the better teams in the league. You think this notion of just drafting a first round Corner and him being a good player is so easy... every single shred of evidence points in the exact opposite direction. Its practically a coin flip based on how most drafts have gone recently.

While we do have a scouting department, they like every other scouting department in this league whiff... A LOT. If 50% of your draft class becomes starting caliber players or even key role players, you hit a Homerun in the draft. That means that 1 out of every 2 players can not pan out at all, and you did a good job as a scout. Stop and think about that for a second. And that's not a Ravens standard... that's a league-wide standard, because there are very few teams that get 50% of their draft to play well for them in any given year.

You have no idea how the draft lines up for us. You're basing all of this based on what some mock draft or analysts tell you... and they're wrong more than NFL scouts are. If there's starting caliber players in the first round, there's starting caliber players in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds and possibly even deeper. Our 2nd best corner on our team, who was pretty good last year, was a 4th rounder. Its obviously harder to get a good corner in the 4th than the 1st, but neither is guaranteed by any stretch.

I have no idea when we will draft a corner. If a corner is the best player on our board when its our pick at 16, we will take one. We're not going to deviate from the BPA strategy because fans say so. We may take one in the 2nd, the 3rd, the 4th, or the 7th. I have no idea, and neither do you. You can pat yourself on the back all you want when we take a corner in the 3rd, but if the corner in the 3rd ends up being a better player than the corner in the 1st, then you were wrong. And you won't know that for several years.

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