Trade Down Scenario in Round 1

[JoeyFlex5]

trade back Rd. 1 > draft forrest lamp or  cam robinson as our next swing guy_, one is a dominant RT who can play G, the other is a dominant G who can play RT. 

original pick Rd. 2 > draft dan feeney if available, dominant guard 

gained pick Rd. 2 > draft someone like engram or juju, someone who can play a possession role, with our newly built OL we can take shots downfield but if those plays arent developing we have an outlet. 

original pick Rd. 3 > draft D'onta Foreman, i love dixon, runs hard, is elusive, well rounded skillset, but has been injured a lot and is now facing a PED suspension, foreman is a true workhorse power back with breakaway speed who can dominate behind the right line. 

Comp pick Rd. 3 > Ethan Pocic or Pat Elflein if they are available, come full circle and complete our OL for the present and the future. if neither is available a guy like chris godwin or isaiah ford are excellent looking big play guys. 

offense transformed in one draft, in a draft that is weak on offensive starpower.

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I know this is a trade down scenario thread and what I like is this is a draft deep on defense but seriously lacking on offense especially at the OT spot and I'm thinking a guy like Garrett Bolles could lock down our RT position for the next 5 yrs and he.aint getting past Denv imo and getting an interior guy in the 5th or 6th like Guillermo could help solidify the Ol.. Not really interested in a tradeback cuz it seems like we miss out.

Doesn't Bolles have some serious off feild problems though?

[rossihunter2]

10 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I totally understand your point and like was said above. It all depends on what the other teams do ahead of us. If a great talent falls into our lap then we take him without thinking about it. However if the opportunity arises to get more picks and a team gives us an offer we can't refuse than you have to take that too

I agree though it's all based off value. And I know Ozzie understands value of draft picks better than any one of us here

oh i agree with that i just dont think another team is going to offer us 3rd/2nd round picks to move up a few spots in the first - if they do then im all for it but i just think its unlikely we get a kings ransom

[rossihunter2]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

trade back Rd. 1 > draft forrest lamp or  cam robinson as our next swing guy_, one is a dominant RT who can play G, the other is a dominant G who can play RT. 

original pick Rd. 2 > draft dan feeney if available, dominant guard 

gained pick Rd. 2 > draft someone like engram or juju, someone who can play a possession role, with our newly built OL we can take shots downfield but if those plays arent developing we have an outlet. 

original pick Rd. 3 > draft D'onta Foreman, i love dixon, runs hard, is elusive, well rounded skillset, but has been injured a lot and is now facing a PED suspension, foreman is a true workhorse power back with breakaway speed who can dominate behind the right line. 

Comp pick Rd. 3 > Ethan Pocic or Pat Elflein if they are available, come full circle and complete our OL for the present and the future. if neither is available a guy like chris godwin or isaiah ford are excellent looking big play guys. 

offense transformed in one draft, in a draft that is weak on offensive starpower.

i can get behind a trade down if we pick up a 2nd i just dont see a team giving a pick that valuable up

[Willbacker]

11 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Doesn't Bolles have some serious off feild problems though?

Not sure. Never heard anything negative.

[jazz1988]

16 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

but we also might miss out on a brilliant playmaker

Who was that ?

[ravensnation5220]

21 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Not sure. Never heard anything negative.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4228956-155/utah-football-garett-bolles-picked-himself

Here we go.  I knew there was something. It's a good read

[Willbacker]

10 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4228956-155/utah-football-garett-bolles-picked-himself

Here we go.  I knew there was something. It's a good read

Wow!! Great story.

[Bruce_Almty]

On 3/18/2017 at 9:41 PM, omar586 said:

the reason why i say trade down and pick up extra picks, because of the nice class we had last year, i mean we got dixon, tavon, judon, and lewis in 4th-5th rounds, that was crazy. love it, 

Just for the sake of argument, are the players you mentioned better than the players taken in the first 2 rounds? Just saying...

[Kid87]

If Corey Davis, Ross, and foster are gone, trade back and draft Zay Jones  in the 2nd round 

[motherdave]

i would trade back if wr's williams or davis aren't there…..get a pass rusher or lb in first mckingley or barnett maybe reddick lb from temple

then use a pick that we got in the trade to move up in the second for zay jones at wr

i like a cb  conley or douglas with our first pick in the 3rd and a center povic with the comp pick 

 

i feel like our biggest needs are pass rusher, lb, wr ,cb and then ol

 

[rossihunter2]

5 hours ago, motherdave said:

i would trade back if wr's williams or davis aren't there…..get a pass rusher or lb in first mckingley or barnett maybe reddick lb from temple

then use a pick that we got in the trade to move up in the second for zay jones at wr

i like a cb  conley or douglas with our first pick in the 3rd and a center povic with the comp pick 

 

i feel like our biggest needs are pass rusher, lb, wr ,cb and then ol

 

the problem with this is barnett wont be available in a trade down - may well not even be there at 16, zay jones will probably go early 2nd, conley may well go in the 1st but will go latest mid 2nd, douglas might be there but i cant see pocic making it to our comp pick

[omar586]

On March 18, 2017 at 9:44 PM, rossihunter2 said:

but we also might miss out on a brilliant playmaker

Who is that playmaker? Hindsight 

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, omar586 said:

Who is that playmaker? Hindsight 

it was a hypothetical rather than a specific reference

[RaineV1]

On 3/20/2017 at 8:35 PM, rossihunter2 said:

the problem with this is barnett wont be available in a trade down - may well not even be there at 16, zay jones will probably go early 2nd, conley may well go in the 1st but will go latest mid 2nd, douglas might be there but i cant see pocic making it to our comp pick

Yeah. A trade down pass rusher with possibly be Williams or Watt.

[rossihunter2]

33 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Yeah. A trade down pass rusher with possibly be Williams or Watt.

id hazard to say maybe not even williams - for me it would be harris or watt depending on how far back we go

[Wildabeast88]

On 3/15/2017 at 4:48 PM, purpletide said:

CB is very deep this year, WR and O-line not so much. If Corey Davis falls to us (or really anyone that slides that could contribute), I don't see any reason to trade back. I'm definitely not against trading back though, there's just too many factors to go ahead and say that trading will yield the best results. FAs that we could have an interest in are still out there, for instance we might pick up Mangold (just an example), then we don't need a C as badly so we can afford to take a BPA without as much risk. Depth can be found in a lot of ways, we could pick up some UDFAs and have them through training camp and the preseason just to try them out and have some young guys if the need is that bad. Don't get me wrong I like your idea of trying to maximize the gain we get from this class but I only really see a guaranteed good result from the CBs in this draft. I guess we can only really judge once we've seen what players are left on the board.

I'm fine trading back Zay Jones is my favorite WR if we could get an extra 2nd or 3rd I would love it. 

[rossihunter2]

21 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I'm fine trading back Zay Jones is my favorite WR if we could get an extra 2nd or 3rd I would love it. 

my problem with zay jones (and it's not a huge one) is that his ceiling is only a number 2 wide receiver - he doesnt have that same game breaking ability as the 3 guys i have above him - id prefer to have him over ross (who i do still have above him on my board) and kupp (who's below) but id much prefer davis and williams to jones - so id find it hard to justify a trade down just to enable us to pick up zay jones

[ravensnation5220]

I honestly am all in on trading down and grabing either ramczyk, bolles, or Robinson to be our right tackle. (That is unless Barnett or someone highly rated falls to 16). It's just the right football move to make. Football is won in the trenches and we want to establish a good running game and protect flacco. This also keeps opposing offenses off the field and our defense fresh. We've seen how many games a great online can win you in Dallas.

I also think the WR position is totally overvalued in the NFL. Its like having a flashy new car that just costs way too much money and way too much gas so you have to live in a crummy old apartment just to have that car. It's an unnecessary luxury. The better idea is to get an affordable fuel efficient car (offensive lineman)

I heard Colin cowherd give this analogy and I totally agree with him. Receivers are divas and act as a distraction. The patriots have won 5 super bowls without any star receivers. The falcons also scored 45, 38, 42 and 41 points when Julio Jones either didn't contribute much or did not play in that game. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 3/15/2017 at 4:17 PM, raven94 said:

I honestly think we should trade down regardless of who is there (go ahead and chastise me for that). My reasoning is that this is a loaded class from round 1 to round 5. Unfortunately this is a year where the Ravens only have 7 total picks (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and a 6th), and it also seems to me that suddenly the Ravens have a surplus of holes; C, RT, OLB/pass rusher, CB, DL depth, OL depth, WR. Hell, before free agency there were times where it seemed like we needed a whole new team (according to a few people). Anyway I feel like we will get a stud in the first round at really any pick 1-32, so I've been on board with trading down and getting more picks to really get a large class of stars. We can easily get a pro bowl corner, pass rusher, and pass catcher or OL in this class alone along with some solid starters who can really round out the team. I think we should trade down into the 20's and get an extra 2nd, or an extra 3 and 4. I'm thinking of creating some threads that address whether we should go more offense in the draft or go more defense, as well as some prospect analysis, and 3rd and 4th round prospects

Yea, more picks would be nice... but if someones there at 16 that your evaluations tell you is going to be a stud; all pro potential HOF type talent -- thats worth way more than an extra pick or two where you might end up picking a good player.

Now, if they're sitting at 16 and they have 3 such guys available, and someone 2-3 spots back offers to trade up and you have no real preference between any of the 3... then ok, thats certainly makes sense.

 

Yes this draft is deep.... but it also has a depth of premier, top end prospects where at 16 we'll likely be able to grab a talent that wouldnt normally fall past pick 5-10 in most years. So if that guys there you stay and take him.