Another year of anaemic offense???

[polynesian15]

13 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I do think that, unless Perriman steps up, the Super Bowl group was better than the current group. Pitta now is terrible in comparison to what he was, and Boldin made tough catches that nobody on our roster makes now.

If Perriman steps up bigly, we'll get close, but...

I'm not sure I would say Pitta was terrible last season, but he has obviously taken a step or two back because of injuries.
I'd say he sort of filled the (physical) possesion-role last season with 86 rec for 729 yards. Not too shabby for an old guy with hip dysplasia or whatever it is.
Ozzie has practically guaranteed that he'll add a WR in the coming months (hopefully OL as well).

And I'm pretty sure Perriman will contribute. He was used very sparringly last season (started but 1 game), and still put up 33 rec, 500 yards and 3 TD's. He had some concentration drops when the ball was right on his number (jitters imo), but he showed incredible athleticism and body awareness. Came on at the end of the season. I see no reason why he wouldn't double his numbers. What's your take?

Edited Monday at 04:30 PM by polynesian15

[atomicfront]

25 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

[The Raven]

8 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

I'm not sure I would say Pitta was terrible last season, but he has obviously taken a step or two back because of injuries.
I'd say he sort of filled the (physical) possesion-role last season with 86 rec for 729 yards. Not too shabby for an old guy with hip dysplasia or whatever it is.
Ozzie has practically guaranteed that he'll add a WR in the coming months (hopefully OL as well).

And I'm pretty sure Perriman will contribute. He was used very sparringly last season (started but 1 game), and still put up 33 rec, 500 yards and 3 TD's. He had some concentration drops when the ball was right on his number (jitters imo), but he showed incredible athleticism and body awareness. Came on at the end of the season. I see no reason why he wouldn't double his numbers. What's your take?

Many of Pitta's catches came on five yard button hooks or flats. Easy catches to make. Easy to get open when you sit down in front of the zone.

People will say that we were easing Perriman in, but I do not think we used him enough last year. Not enough snaps. Not enough crossing routes. Not enough timing routes. We underused him across the board, and I'm simply not sure how he'll adjust as we give him a fuller route tree. We're gonna need him or Moore to be the Boldin/Steve type, because Wallace isn't filling that role.

[polynesian15]

34 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Yes the 2012 group was better and it isn't even close 

Agree to disagree. 

-Torrey has nothing on Wallace. 
-Jacoby = Moore (speed and inconsistent hands - although Moore might have better routes). 
-Pitta is still Pitta in my eyes albeit a step slower. 
-Dickson basically never caught anything - so maybe a mix of Williams and Waller (that's probably being generous to Dickson).
-Boldin never had elite numbers here, although he did provide toughness and clutch factor. Perriman will step up and Ozzie will add a vet.
 
That leaves Camp and Gilmore, who when healthy have provided plenty of upside.  

We need 1 (vet) WR and we're good - be that Boldin, Marqise Lee or whoever Ozzie manages to acquire.

 

Edited Monday at 05:03 PM by polynesian15

[polynesian15]

6 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

So you're saying Perriman should have gotten more yards from the bench his first year... or? In Torrey's third season he was pretty much the only pass option, kinda like when Aiken had a 1000 yards a couple seasons ago.

I'm predicting an offense in which the ball is spread around with a healthy dose of rushing, in which Perriman still goes for more than a 1000 yards. You are saying worse than Torrey? I believe Perriman is 5x the player that Torrey is and will reach his 1000 yards way more effectively and without the force feeding. Besides that, Perriman is able to make those contested/agile catches that Torrey would never make. Better player, more impact.

Pitta is still a good player in my eyes, now removed one year from his latest injury. I wouldn't compare Jones to Breshad, besides we're talking about Perriman THIS season not LAST season when he was the 3rd/4th option.

Dixon/West/Woodhead will easily eclipse 500 yards from the backfield.

Btw I'm not saying our current cast outshines the SB cast in every way. That was a championship caliber crew who played lights out during the post season and remained injury free to a large extent. What I'm saying is that the two casts aren't massively different from a talent perspective.
We add a vet, Perriman develops, the line blocks and we run the ball. Team game.

[atomicfront]

40 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

So you're saying Perriman should have gotten more yards from the bench his first year... or? In Torrey's third season he was pretty much the only pass option, kinda like when Aiken had a 1000 yards a couple seasons ago.

I'm predicting an offense in which the ball is spread around with a healthy dose of rushing, in which Perriman still goes for more than a 1000 yards. You are saying worse than Torrey? I believe Perriman is 5x the player that Torrey is and will reach his 1000 yards way more effectively and without the force feeding. Besides that, Perriman is able to make those contested/agile catches that Torrey would never make. Better player, more impact.

Pitta is still a good player in my eyes, now removed one year from his latest injury. I wouldn't compare Jones to Breshad, besides we're talking about Perriman THIS season not LAST season when he was the 3rd/4th option.

Dixon/West/Woodhead will easily eclipse 500 yards from the backfield.

Btw I'm not saying our current cast outshines the SB cast in every way. That was a championship caliber crew who played lights out during the post season and remained injury free to a large extent. What I'm saying is that the two casts aren't massively different from a talent perspective.
We add a vet, Perriman develops, the line blocks and we run the ball. Team game.

What if Perriman gets injured first game?  There is no depth. And something you fail to take into account we had 500 more yards rushing on the 2012 team it was a more balanced offense.  If you threw as much as you did last year Torrey would have had even more yards. And Torrey average 17.4 yards per catch.  I don't get the forcing it to him comment at all.  These weren't dump offs most of Torrey's receptions were long gains.  

I would trade a pick or two to get a legitimate receiver.  Ozzie and everyone else in management and coaching's job is on the line.  Another disappointing season like the last two and they won't have to worry about what happens to the future picks.  Time to make some moves. 

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

If it is one play out of many where he is getting pressured then I will blame the O-line for being bad enough that the QB can't trust them on a consistent basis. It depends on the situation. I just broke down how stuff like that works if you would care to go back and read the post. 

If you are too lazy to actually read(something you seemed quick to accuse me of not doing in the past) and just want to argue then I won't waste more time with you. I guess that is probably the wise decision here given that you would defend certain people for a making a bad call due to the supporting cast but can't defend a bad play due to a bad supporting cast. I mean I always thought you were a bit biased but having it confirmed like this is disappointing nonetheless. 

a bad play?

flacco has been throwing off his back foot since he was drafted.

with zorn and later kubiak it seemed he got rid off it and worked on his footwork but as soon as they left he was back to doing this crap.

not throwing off your back foot is a fundamental for any QB.
for the amount of money and cap space he is taking up , it should be a no brainer for him to work on getting the basics of being a QB down.

i already said i wont blame him if is he is under pressure within a second of snapping the ball because the o-line sucks but if their is no pressure then as a professional franchise QB he should at least show proper fundamentals when attempting a pass.

as for the o-line itself.
FO just drafted 2 starters last season with 1 being a stud LT.
FO already kept the best and HOF worthy o-liners in baltimore.
FO just drafted a G in the 4th round who should be capable of starting.
That is 4 out of 5 positions filled already with 2 being manned by 2 of the best at their position.
Then their are 3 guys with starting experience on the roster to fill the last spot and there are 2 promising players the coaching staff is high on.
There is also a new o-line coach as well who could  get more out of these guys.

And if we need to their is still FA and later in the year teams will have to make cuts and who knows a guy like sitton comes available again.

Its really sad you are already throwing these young guys under the buss and acting like they will be 2013 bad before TC even started.

i dont see the skyfalling with the o-line at this moment.
if stanley and/or yanda gets injured then it would be time to really panick.

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

Did you just really compare two of Torrey's seasons to one of Perriman's? Come on now we all know he was injured his rookie season. This next season is basically his second season.

[atomicfront]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Did you just really compare two of Torrey's seasons to one of Perriman's? Come on now we all know he was injured his rookie season. This next season is basically his second season.

Torrey had 841 yards his rookie season which is significantly more than Perriman had his second year.  So anyway you slice it he did a lot better.  

[The Raven]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Did you just really compare two of Torrey's seasons to one of Perriman's? Come on now we all know he was injured his rookie season. This next season is basically his second season.

Torrey as a rookie still put up better numbers than Perriman did in his first active year. Just sayin'. And Perriman was supposedly more well-rounded with better hands. What gives?

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, atomicfront said:

Torrey had 841 yards his rookie season which is significantly more than Perriman had his second year.  So anyway you slice it he did a lot better.  

 

Just now, The Raven said:

Torrey as a rookie still put up better numbers than Perriman did in his first active year. Just sayin'. And Perriman was supposedly more well-rounded with better hands. What gives?

You mean the fact the guy hasn't had an offseason to put under his belt? He was injured through both offseasons and is raw as hell. And coming off two serious injures. Also Torrey Smith was the #2 in the offense, not #3. 

[GrimCoconut]

Btw not sure if it's been mentioned yet but Perriman changed his number to 11--his college number.  

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/s/38541/Roster

[polynesian15]

10 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Torrey had 841 yards his rookie season which is significantly more than Perriman had his second year.  So anyway you slice it he did a lot better.  

That's an astonishing analysis - 841 is "better" than the 0 yards Perriman had his first year (due to injury) and the 499 yards he had his second year as 3rd/4th option.

9 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Torrey as a rookie still put up better numbers than Perriman did in his first active year. Just sayin'. And Perriman was supposedly more well-rounded with better hands. What gives?

Numbers are one thing, actual play is another. Torrey hadn't dealt with season ending knee injury (to stunt his growth), and was also fortunate enough to participate in training camp.
How many targets did Torrey and Breshad have their first (active) seasons respectively?

  

[atomicfront]

7 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

That's an astonishing analysis - 841 is "better" than the 0 yards Perriman had his first year (due to injury) and the 499 yards he had his second year as 3rd/4th option.

Numbers are one thing, actual play is another. Torrey hadn't dealt with season ending knee injury (to stunt his growth), and was also fortunate enough to participate in training camp.
How many targets did Torrey and Breshad have their first (active) seasons respectively?

  

Why was Perriman the 3rd or 4th option.  If Torrey was on the team and Perriman wasn't I am sure you would have the opposite feelings about them. 

[atomicfront]

26 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

 

You mean the fact the guy hasn't had an offseason to put under his belt? He was injured through both offseasons and is raw as hell. And coming off two serious injures. Also Torrey Smith was the #2 in the offense, not #3. 

The injuries all the more reason to be concerned about him being our #2 next year.  Torrey was definitely the better player at this point in his career.  Torrey didn't drop as many balls as Perrian either.  Probably the reason that Flacco didn't throw to Perriman more. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

a bad play?

flacco has been throwing off his back foot since he was drafted.

with zorn and later kubiak it seemed he got rid off it and worked on his footwork but as soon as they left he was back to doing this crap.

not throwing off your back foot is a fundamental for any QB.
for the amount of money and cap space he is taking up , it should be a no brainer for him to work on getting the basics of being a QB down.

i already said i wont blame him if is he is under pressure within a second of snapping the ball because the o-line sucks but if their is no pressure then as a professional franchise QB he should at least show proper fundamentals when attempting a pass.

as for the o-line itself.
FO just drafted 2 starters last season with 1 being a stud LT.
FO already kept the best and HOF worthy o-liners in baltimore.
FO just drafted a G in the 4th round who should be capable of starting.
That is 4 out of 5 positions filled already with 2 being manned by 2 of the best at their position.
Then their are 3 guys with starting experience on the roster to fill the last spot and there are 2 promising players the coaching staff is high on.
There is also a new o-line coach as well who could  get more out of these guys.

And if we need to their is still FA and later in the year teams will have to make cuts and who knows a guy like sitton comes available again.

Its really sad you are already throwing these young guys under the buss and acting like they will be 2013 bad before TC even started.

i dont see the skyfalling with the o-line at this moment.
if stanley and/or yanda gets injured then it would be time to really panick.

Dude, you aren't confident in the offense at all, you are just setting the framework so you can complain about Flacco the second things go wrong. It is pretty obvious and is the whole reason I have been calling you out.

And you really are bad at reading, this is 3 times now where I am saying judging each play individually as opposed to taking a game or season into account is stupid. It is called sample size, it is a pretty basic thing to know. If a guy is getting pressured all the time, I would expect them to hurry things up with the expectation of being pressured. Even if he isn't, if the line is doing bad enough that the expectation of being pressured is there, then that is a problem with the line. Kinda funny how with Kubiak he had a good line right? Kinda funny how in 2012 when he had the best line he has ever had for those 4 games he went on that great run? And now that the line has regressed since Kubiak left, funny how Flacco has regressed as well? Maybe because Flacco actually trusted those lines to give him time and doesn't with the lines the past couple years. Maybe because those were good lines and having to deal with the lines of 2013 and the injured mess that was 2015(which was far more injured than the defense but of course you were blaming the offense for everything even though they were all injured) messed up his mechanics? But no, I am sure those were great lines and Flacco ended up injured both those years by tripping over his own feet. 

And here comes the contract talk. I get that but at the same time if you expect him to perform like Rodgers then you haven't been paying attention. We pay him what we pay because we have no other option if we want to stay competitive. Maybe you want organized chaos back but we only won 1 super bowl with it and it was an all time great defense that certainly hasn't been here for years. We aren't getting rid of Flacco and the contract ain't changing so either get used to it or pop in some highlights from 2006 and watch us struggle with Boller or old McNair in the playoffs. 

As for the line, We have 3 positions filled. The others are question marks. Would you be fine with a 4th round rookie starting at CB? No, you'd be crying about how little help the defense has as per usual. You probably still will find ways to cry about that this year. No different at Guard but they are offense so I guess that is fine since it doesn't fit your narrative. And that 4th round rookie may be changing positions and may be raw so again, counting on a lot for him to actually perform well this year. If all these picks and FA signings this year were on offense, you'd be crying about how little help the defense got too which is what I find funny and what I have been calling you out on this whole time. You are no better than the people you are going after so much. But lets break down that 2014 defense at this point in the offseason just so you can realize just how hypocritical you are being.

We had a freaking stud in Ngata, we had a good starter in Canty. Sizzle, Doom, McPhee were deadly, Upshaw was good against the run. We had CJ and Daryl Smith. We had a first round pick in Elam, a good FA in Kendrick Lewis. Jimmy and Webb with a 5th round pick in Chykie Brown who had time to develop and another one in Asa Jackson. That is 4 CBs for 3 spots right? Honestly that might be a better group than this offense as it has a really good front 7. Of course we learned that CB was a mess with injuries and players not developing but that is just as likely to happen with the O-line this year is my point and people being concerned about it aren't "not giving the young guys a chance", they are looking at what we have and seeing a fairly high risk in the group doing bad. And you haven't even tried to hype up the receivers yet haha. But lets break down that O-line:

Stanley is good but already missed time last year, Yanda is getting older and we had good play from LT and RG in 2013. LG,C, and RT were just terrible that year. So it is very possible those guys stay healthy and Jensen/Urschel become the next Chykie Brown or Asa Jackson and that our rookies aren't ready for the big time yet(I mean San Diego State to the NFL is a big jump and our other guy was more of a developmental pick). Heck maybe Lewis regresses and does poorly at RT. That isn't even taking injury into account.

[polynesian15]

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

Why was Perriman the 3rd or 4th option.  If Torrey was on the team and Perriman wasn't I am sure you would have the opposite feelings about them. 

Because he got injured the first day of TC the year before and was sidelined much of TC the following year - i.e. he had to get up to speed, get reps in, get his footing etc. Don't get me wrong I like Torrey, and he was a valuable, if one sided, down field threat for us. But he always caught the ball in his belly, and he lacked physicality in a big way. Very seldom would you see him go up and out-muscle db's - cue that last play in the AFC championship vs NE. Perriman had his rookie season last year, and despite being used sparringly he displayed incredible feats we never saw from Torrey. 
You'll be smiling midway through next season when Perriman is balling. 

1 hour ago, atomicfront said:

The injuries all the more reason to be concerned about him being our #2 next year.  Torrey was definitely the better player at this point in his career.  Torrey didn't drop as many balls as Perrian either.  Probably the reason that Flacco didn't throw to Perriman more. 

Sure injuries suck, but ALL players get hurt at some point - it's part of the game. Torrey had produced more, but he didn't miss an entire season. Don't know about the drops (anyone have statistics?), but I think most of Breshad's drops will vanish next season because he's getting settled in. Torrey was a starting receiver opposit Bolding because the rest of the cast consisted of Laquan, Doss, Reed etc.
Perriman had to compete for targets against Smitty, Wallace and Aiken. You know Smitty and Wallace are the starters there, and Aiken proved productive on occasion - and again Perriman came off major injury. Not the case for Torrey.

 

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Btw not sure if it's been mentioned yet but Perriman changed his number to 11--his college number.  

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/s/38541/Roster

Hold on... So you're telling ME... 

 

 

Arrington is still on the team?

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Hold on... So you're telling ME... 

 

 

Arrington is still on the team?

Still in concussion protocol, I believe. It will probably end up as injury settlement.

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Dude, you aren't confident in the offense at all, you are just setting the framework so you can complain about Flacco the second things go wrong. It is pretty obvious and is the whole reason I have been calling you out.

And you really are bad at reading, this is 3 times now where I am saying judging each play individually as opposed to taking a game or season into account is stupid. It is called sample size, it is a pretty basic thing to know. If a guy is getting pressured all the time, I would expect them to hurry things up with the expectation of being pressured. Even if he isn't, if the line is doing bad enough that the expectation of being pressured is there, then that is a problem with the line. Kinda funny how with Kubiak he had a good line right? Kinda funny how in 2012 when he had the best line he has ever had for those 4 games he went on that great run? And now that the line has regressed since Kubiak left, funny how Flacco has regressed as well? Maybe because Flacco actually trusted those lines to give him time and doesn't with the lines the past couple years. Maybe because those were good lines and having to deal with the lines of 2013 and the injured mess that was 2015(which was far more injured than the defense but of course you were blaming the offense for everything even though they were all injured) messed up his mechanics? But no, I am sure those were great lines and Flacco ended up injured both those years by tripping over his own feet. 

And here comes the contract talk. I get that but at the same time if you expect him to perform like Rodgers then you haven't been paying attention. We pay him what we pay because we have no other option if we want to stay competitive. Maybe you want organized chaos back but we only won 1 super bowl with it and it was an all time great defense that certainly hasn't been here for years. We aren't getting rid of Flacco and the contract ain't changing so either get used to it or pop in some highlights from 2006 and watch us struggle with Boller or old McNair in the playoffs. 

As for the line, We have 3 positions filled. The others are question marks. Would you be fine with a 4th round rookie starting at CB? No, you'd be crying about how little help the defense has as per usual. You probably still will find ways to cry about that this year. No different at Guard but they are offense so I guess that is fine since it doesn't fit your narrative. And that 4th round rookie may be changing positions and may be raw so again, counting on a lot for him to actually perform well this year. If all these picks and FA signings this year were on offense, you'd be crying about how little help the defense got too which is what I find funny and what I have been calling you out on this whole time. You are no better than the people you are going after so much. But lets break down that 2014 defense at this point in the offseason just so you can realize just how hypocritical you are being.

We had a freaking stud in Ngata, we had a good starter in Canty. Sizzle, Doom, McPhee were deadly, Upshaw was good against the run. We had CJ and Daryl Smith. We had a first round pick in Elam, a good FA in Kendrick Lewis. Jimmy and Webb with a 5th round pick in Chykie Brown who had time to develop and another one in Asa Jackson. That is 4 CBs for 3 spots right? Honestly that might be a better group than this offense as it has a really good front 7. Of course we learned that CB was a mess with injuries and players not developing but that is just as likely to happen with the O-line this year is my point and people being concerned about it aren't "not giving the young guys a chance", they are looking at what we have and seeing a fairly high risk in the group doing bad. And you haven't even tried to hype up the receivers yet haha. But lets break down that O-line:

Stanley is good but already missed time last year, Yanda is getting older and we had good play from LT and RG in 2013. LG,C, and RT were just terrible that year. So it is very possible those guys stay healthy and Jensen/Urschel become the next Chykie Brown or Asa Jackson and that our rookies aren't ready for the big time yet(I mean San Diego State to the NFL is a big jump and our other guy was more of a developmental pick). Heck maybe Lewis regresses and does poorly at RT. That isn't even taking injury into account.

Your my hero! 

He's as biased as the come when it comes to defense vs flacco

[PurpleCity5]

On 4/30/2017 at 5:09 PM, Tru11 said:

roman might also be an upgrade over castillo in the way we want our o-line to operate.

injuries to yanda or stanley would spell real disaster at this point.

Surely, but you take any franchise LT away from any team and they could have trouble. We saw a tremendous drop in the OLs performance once Stanley went down. We're going to have to rely on Stanley to be healthy, just the nature of the position. You can say that without Yanda we could be in trouble but teams are able to maneuver around an injured guard much better than an injured LT. Yanda isn't a guy with a history of injuries so I'm hoping he doesn't experience trouble. I think we should see stability and good play from 3 of the 5 spots on the OL. 

During our 2014 season when we had the #2 ranked OL, we were shifting guys all over the place, we went to NE with Hurst-Urschel-Zuttah-KO-Yanda and we pushed them around all day long and dominated their front. I think we need someone who can run a scheme and make sure that guys are playing up to their strengths more than anything. 

Edited Monday at 10:21 PM by PurpleCity5

[52520Andrew]

33 minutes ago, arnie_uk said:

Your my hero! 

He's as biased as the come when it comes to defense vs flacco

The tolerance I have of stuff like this has dropped as we have gotten closer and closer to the forums closing haha. My filter is just gone at this point. Don't think I will go and do a roast like @LosT_in_TranSlatioN on people but calling it how I see it right now.

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

You're comparison between Torrey and Breshad is really unfair. You know very well that Breshad's injuries didn't help at all, it's kinda ridiculous to compare the stats side-by-side like that. Honestly Breshad could be argued as the better talent. He can do almost everything Torrey can do and then some. Guy just needs time to refine his craft and stay healthy. There was talk his first season of OTAs that he was flying off the map and playing better than anyone they have seen in recent memory. On the first day of training camp there was talk that he was preforming at a high level and was gunning for the starting job over Aiken who broke out for 900 yards on the season.

I honestly expect Breshad to break out his 3rd year as the Ravens #1 WR and I think he's going to prove doubters wrong big time. Guy has serious talent and upside, this is the 1st time where he can finally refine his craft with a great coach in Bobby Ingram. 

[52520Andrew]

14 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Surely, but you take any franchise LT away from any team and they could have trouble. We saw a tremendous drop in the OLs performance once Stanley went down. We're going to have to rely on Stanley to be healthy, just the nature of the position. You can say that without Yanda we could be in trouble but teams are able to maneuver around an injured guard much better than an injured LT. Yanda isn't a guy with a history of injuries so I'm hoping he doesn't experience trouble. I think we should see stability and good play from 3 of the 5 spots on the OL. 

During our 2014 season when we had the #2 ranked OL, we were shifting guys all over the place, we went to NE with Hurst-Urschel-Zuttah-KO-Yanda and we pushed them around all day long and dominated their front. I think we need someone who can run a scheme and make sure that guys are playing up to their strengths more than anything. 

Yanda is a freaking beast, even though he got injured last year with that shoulder, he just shrugged it off and played at an elite level at LG instead. I guess he could suffer something really serious but it takes a lot for him to miss games. 

[PurpleCity5]

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yanda is a freaking beast, even though he got injured last year with that shoulder, he just shrugged it off and played at an elite level at LG instead. I guess he could suffer something really serious but it takes a lot for him to miss games. 

Oh yeah certainly, but what matters is that he's out there playing for us more than anything. But you're spot on about his toughness, he's just built for this game. 

[RayRayRaven]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 11:17 AM, 52520Andrew said:

Honestly I think the Ravens are still a year from having a legitimate shot at getting another super bowl. I think the defense is ready to go but the offense is going to need another offseason to get the talent in there. Should be real fun after that though

only a yr away wow think i'll wait til the team actuly gets in the playofs and makes it past a rd for I say the superbowel is here

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 1:36 PM, Deflated Football said:

We really just need to stick with veterans lol. Ozzie doesn't have an eye for offense (maybe every once in a while) like he does for defense, and we have anemic positional coaches. Just trade for/sign the Boldin's of the NFL. That's what Joe prefers anyways. 

well thats cristal clear he is strugglin some wiff defence to now

7 hours ago, polynesian15 said:

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

u wuldnt be the firse raven to misjudge boldin, torey and jacobys worth. biggar fish than you hav dropped that ball heck even kubiac culdnt get his head rnd jacoby

 

6 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Yes the 2012 group was better and it isn't even close 

truar words nevah written

6 hours ago, atomicfront said:

Boldin hall of fame receiver in his prime.  Torrey first two seasons destroy Perriman (1696 yards vs 499 yards).  And Torrey had 1128 yards his third year. So you are predicting that Perriman in his third year breaks out and still has a worse season than Torrey in his third season.  Pitta was playing well back then and Jacoby was basically what Perriman was last year.  Plus you had Ray Rice who was good for 500 yards from the back field.  

ur askin periman to make a monument jump will have to see if firse

6 hours ago, polynesian15 said:

Agree to disagree. 

-Torrey has nothing on Wallace. 
-Jacoby = Moore (speed and inconsistent hands - although Moore might have better routes). 
-Pitta is still Pitta in my eyes albeit a step slower. 
-Dickson basically never caught anything - so maybe a mix of Williams and Waller (that's probably being generous to Dickson).
-Boldin never had elite numbers here, although he did provide toughness and clutch factor. Perriman will step up and Ozzie will add a vet.
 
That leaves Camp and Gilmore, who when healthy have provided plenty of upside.  

We need 1 (vet) WR and we're good - be that Boldin, Marqise Lee or whoever Ozzie manages to acquire.

 

torrey is stil young Wallace gassed out on us last yr an we need 10 tds from him wil he delivar? likely the only reason pitta is still a raven is the injury an joe gets use to a guy and pitta is his guy.  by know the front office has to now u cant take joes go to guys from him he doan adjust well

Edited Monday at 11:20 PM by RayRayRaven

[Boddiebroadus]

So what if Flash Gordon is reinstated do we actually make him/browns an offer? 

Or what if DGB is cut by eagles do we snag him up. Something must be wrong with the kid but we need something 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

The tolerance I have of stuff like this has dropped as we have gotten closer and closer to the forums closing haha. My filter is just gone at this point. Don't think I will go and do a roast like @LosT_in_TranSlatioN on people but calling it how I see it right now.

Same lol. You're my hero too. Until next year where you screw me over again.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

7 hours ago, atomicfront said:

The injuries all the more reason to be concerned about him being our #2 next year.  Torrey was definitely the better player at this point in his career.  Torrey didn't drop as many balls as Perrian either.  Probably the reason that Flacco didn't throw to Perriman more. 

Bingo! Support begets support! Je has a tendency to throw to receivers who are dependable. That being said, I loved the way he threw a first down pass to Waller last year after Waller had just dropped a pass on the previous play. That tends to instill confidence in a young receiver.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

6 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Dude, you aren't confident in the offense at all, you are just setting the framework so you can complain about Flacco the second things go wrong. It is pretty obvious and is the whole reason I have been calling you out.

And you really are bad at reading, this is 3 times now where I am saying judging each play individually as opposed to taking a game or season into account is stupid. It is called sample size, it is a pretty basic thing to know. If a guy is getting pressured all the time, I would expect them to hurry things up with the expectation of being pressured. Even if he isn't, if the line is doing bad enough that the expectation of being pressured is there, then that is a problem with the line. Kinda funny how with Kubiak he had a good line right? Kinda funny how in 2012 when he had the best line he has ever had for those 4 games he went on that great run? And now that the line has regressed since Kubiak left, funny how Flacco has regressed as well? Maybe because Flacco actually trusted those lines to give him time and doesn't with the lines the past couple years. Maybe because those were good lines and having to deal with the lines of 2013 and the injured mess that was 2015(which was far more injured than the defense but of course you were blaming the offense for everything even though they were all injured) messed up his mechanics? But no, I am sure those were great lines and Flacco ended up injured both those years by tripping over his own feet. 

And here comes the contract talk. I get that but at the same time if you expect him to perform like Rodgers then you haven't been paying attention. We pay him what we pay because we have no other option if we want to stay competitive. Maybe you want organized chaos back but we only won 1 super bowl with it and it was an all time great defense that certainly hasn't been here for years. We aren't getting rid of Flacco and the contract ain't changing so either get used to it or pop in some highlights from 2006 and watch us struggle with Boller or old McNair in the playoffs. 

As for the line, We have 3 positions filled. The others are question marks. Would you be fine with a 4th round rookie starting at CB? No, you'd be crying about how little help the defense has as per usual. You probably still will find ways to cry about that this year. No different at Guard but they are offense so I guess that is fine since it doesn't fit your narrative. And that 4th round rookie may be changing positions and may be raw so again, counting on a lot for him to actually perform well this year. If all these picks and FA signings this year were on offense, you'd be crying about how little help the defense got too which is what I find funny and what I have been calling you out on this whole time. You are no better than the people you are going after so much. But lets break down that 2014 defense at this point in the offseason just so you can realize just how hypocritical you are being.

We had a freaking stud in Ngata, we had a good starter in Canty. Sizzle, Doom, McPhee were deadly, Upshaw was good against the run. We had CJ and Daryl Smith. We had a first round pick in Elam, a good FA in Kendrick Lewis. Jimmy and Webb with a 5th round pick in Chykie Brown who had time to develop and another one in Asa Jackson. That is 4 CBs for 3 spots right? Honestly that might be a better group than this offense as it has a really good front 7. Of course we learned that CB was a mess with injuries and players not developing but that is just as likely to happen with the O-line this year is my point and people being concerned about it aren't "not giving the young guys a chance", they are looking at what we have and seeing a fairly high risk in the group doing bad. And you haven't even tried to hype up the receivers yet haha. But lets break down that O-line:

Stanley is good but already missed time last year, Yanda is getting older and we had good play from LT and RG in 2013. LG,C, and RT were just terrible that year. So it is very possible those guys stay healthy and Jensen/Urschel become the next Chykie Brown or Asa Jackson and that our rookies aren't ready for the big time yet(I mean San Diego State to the NFL is a big jump and our other guy was more of a developmental pick). Heck maybe Lewis regresses and does poorly at RT. That isn't even taking injury into account.

Right on! Your "buddies" on this blog site suffer from the three Ds --- that is denial, delusion and delirium. They are Joe Flacco doubters and detractors who relish in using him as cannon fodder. So, "The Great and Powerful Wizard of Oz" has fixed the defense. Well, "Roll Tide!" What has he done to fix the offense and help Joe to "play better". The answer is Nada as in zero. His strategy to fix the offense is addition by subtraction, that is trying to do more with less. Eugene Monroe and Jeremy Zuttah were experiments that failed. Good riddance! Hurst "The Worst" doesn't deserve a roster spot. Our FB, Kyle Juscyk, got a huge check and so did our RT, Rick Wagner. Our best? RB is suspende for the 1st quarter of the season. Frankly, IDK who our #1 WR will be and perhaps we should have picked OJ Howard to give us at least one healthy TE. Aiken was another experiment that failed. He had ample chances to prove himself worthy of a starting job and he may finally get one this year --- with another team. On a team with solid WRs and rugged, wide-bodied TEs and an O-line that isn't as porous as swiss cheese, Joe would be the gunslinger he likes to be, not just a game-manager whose job is solely not to lose the game. Like him or not, January Joe Flacco is one of the best in the business regardless of which foot he throws from. Wake up and smell the roses, you giddy, defensive, Raven fanatics! Unless the Wizard pulls a "complementary WR" out of his ____________ sleeve, Justin Tucker will set an all-time record for FG attempts in the NFL and it will be another long and vapid season. AND you can take that to the M&T bank!