Another year of anaemic offense???

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, PurpleCity5 said:

In terms of the offensive line, C and RT are concerns, but no one expects Stanley or Lewis to make big leaps in year 2? Stanley was a monster towards the end of the year and qualified as one of the best LTs in the final 4 weeks of the season and Lewis was a solid pass blocking guard, I do anticipate he will make improvements in the run game. I think this OL will be just fine, I don't think it will be near as bad as the 2013 OL. 

roman might also be an upgrade over castillo in the way we want our o-line to operate.

injuries to yanda or stanley would spell real disaster at this point.

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, Tru11 said:

so you think its fair to blame ozzie when flacco throws off his back foot with no pressure what so ever?

cause i specifically gave that as an example of when i  will criticize him.
i also said i wont criticize him if he is throwing off his back foot cause a defender is in his face right off the snap.

what exactly is not fair in this way of thinking?

If he is anticipating pressure being there due to being hit so often and doesn't have pressure for once but thinks he may, I'd find it hard to criticize the guy. You see ghosts when you are always getting hit.

[Tru11]

10 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

LOL. 

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the defense held opponents to 10 Ppg. 

 

That being said. I doubt our offense could score that

Tucker can kick from midfield.

1 deep pass to either of the WRs with a convenient PI and we are fine lol

[Tru11]

20 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

If he is anticipating pressure being there due to being hit so often and doesn't have pressure for once but thinks he may, I'd find it hard to criticize the guy. You see ghosts when you are always getting hit.

a 9 year pro anticipating pressure should be able to come up with a better solution then just throwing it off his back  without any defender near him.

so you actually want to blame ozzie because flacco is seeing ghosts?

 

 

Edited Sunday at 09:30 PM by Tru11

[Davesta]

20 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Tucker can kick from midfield.

1 deep pass to either of the WRs with a convenient PI and we are fine lol

Tucker and flacco should just switch contracts. I'm not sure who's more valuable 

[Tru11]

1 minute ago, Davesta said:

Tucker and flacco should just switch contracts. I'm not sure who's more valuable 

contracts are touchy subject in regard to flacco lol.

 

[GrimCoconut]

18 hours ago, The Raven said:

Because of the oline additions, I'm feeling a bit better about the offense this season. A good run game and good pass protection opens up so much for an offense. 

I think we didn't want to waste a pick on a guy in a weak WR class. That's what I think happened here. I think we decided to load up on areas where the Draft is strong and avoid those that aren't. We haven't always done this but I think we've changed our strategy in the draft this year. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

a 9 year pro anticipating pressure should be able to come up with a better solution then just throwing it off his back  without any defender near him.

so you actually want to blame ozzie because flacco is seeing ghosts?

 

 

No I would blame the O-line for pass blocking so poorly that it affects the QB. You have never seen a game where Brady gets consistent pressure put on him? It affects him even when he has a clean pocket. Can't judge a position group or player on one play and not take everything else into account.

Then it becomes what is wrong with the O-line. If a ton of resources have been put into the group, I would put that on coaching for not coaching them up. If the team decided to go full Seattle and ignore the group, I'd blame the FO for ignoring the group or not being able to pick good players for the position if the coaching is not at fault(granted there is no way to truly know this without being in the building all the time). I mean sure the line should not give up pressure but we don't go into the season wanting the group to be bad so somewhere along the line mistakes were made. I mean the QB is getting hit so often he can't trust his blockers. That is a significant problem and just putting that on the QB is really ignoring much of what is going on. Instead of asking what or who, the question should be why?

[52520Andrew]

23 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we didn't want to waste a pick on a guy in a weak WR class. That's what I think happened here. I think we decided to load up on areas where the Draft is strong and avoid those that aren't. We haven't always done this but I think we've changed our strategy in the draft this year. 

I don't think we were expecting 3 WRs to go in the top 10. If one of those guys were there we probably would have been more tempted to go with one but it sounds like we really like Humphrey(I mean we passed on Allen and Howard for him) so we may have passed on them anyways.

[allblackraven]

10 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I don't think we were expecting 3 WRs to go in the top 10. If one of those guys were there we probably would have been more tempted to go with one but it sounds like we really like Humphrey(I mean we passed on Allen and Howard for him) so we may have passed on them anyways.

Imagine this place if Davis was there and we still took Humphrey.

[Davesta]

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Imagine this place if Davis was there and we still took Humphrey.

Lol man...boards would shut down sooner than may 5th, 

[rossihunter2]

yes it's disappointing not to get offense but outside of juju in the 2nd and maybe isaiah ford in the 6th who should we have taken that would have been a player worth the pick we might have taken them at and were they better than the player we took in stead - maybe i would have taken ardarius stewart or chris godwin ahead of chris wormley but that's one pick and there would still be complaints about not doing anything for the offense

[Maryland]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think we didn't want to waste a pick on a guy in a weak WR class. That's what I think happened here. I think we decided to load up on areas where the Draft is strong and avoid those that aren't. We haven't always done this but I think we've changed our strategy in the draft this year. 

Maybe... or maybe Ozzie is targeting Calvin Ridley for 2018 lol

[Davesta]

16 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Maybe... or maybe Ozzie is targeting Calvin Ridley for 2018 lol

I would say courtland sutton. But u know ozzie would still take Ridley cause of Alabama. 

[allblackraven]

14 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Maybe... or maybe Ozzie is targeting Calvin Ridley for 2018 lol

I know you're joking but he's only junior this year, may not declare.

I'd rather wait for Fitzpatrick (also junior) to pair him up with Humphrey again.

[hen826957]

Wait until next offseason to fix the offense. Upside Suggs and Weddle, this defense is set for a couple of years. 2018 will be a special team. To much to overcome in fixing this offense this year. Just sign some veterans to a one year deal to fill the gap and then focus more on the offense next year. 

[Tru11]

7 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

No I would blame the O-line for pass blocking so poorly that it affects the QB. You have never seen a game where Brady gets consistent pressure put on him? It affects him even when he has a clean pocket. Can't judge a position group or player on one play and not take everything else into account.

Then it becomes what is wrong with the O-line. If a ton of resources have been put into the group, I would put that on coaching for not coaching them up. If the team decided to go full Seattle and ignore the group, I'd blame the FO for ignoring the group or not being able to pick good players for the position if the coaching is not at fault(granted there is no way to truly know this without being in the building all the time). I mean sure the line should not give up pressure but we don't go into the season wanting the group to be bad so somewhere along the line mistakes were made. I mean the QB is getting hit so often he can't trust his blockers. That is a significant problem and just putting that on the QB is really ignoring much of what is going on. Instead of asking what or who, the question should be why?

you will blame the oline when they are actually allowing no pressure and are giving the QB a clean pocket to throw the ball?

that sounds really fair...

PS: i like  how you are trying to justify flacco throwing off his backfoot.
A QB setting his feet is 1 of the most elemantry things a QB is supposed to do.
No difference then a defender knowing how to tackle....

 

Edited Monday at 06:05 AM by Tru11

[Sampurplepain]

What about Michael Floyd? He's currently on house arrest but should be release soon. He is basically the receiver I think Mike Williams will become. 

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Sampurplepain said:

What about Michael Floyd? He's currently on house arrest but should be release soon. He is basically the receiver I think Mike Williams will become. 

There's no way we pick him up, I think. Not after a jail time for the offence that shows total lack of sense of responsibility.

[Sampurplepain]

I think taking Tim Williams was a precursor of things to come. Pass rush was a major need and they were willing to accept the baggage he comes with because he is too good to pass up. And playmakers are needed on offense now so I think they will jump if the opportunity presents itself like a Floyd or Josh Gordon. 

[Davesta]

Floyd can't stay off the alcohol. Him and aldon smith have the same problem I think

Edited Monday at 09:09 AM by Davesta

[Bruce_Almty]

20 hours ago, The Raven said:

Plenty of talent? Get real. Camp's always hurt. Moore has more drops than catches. Gillmore's always hurt and when he is on the field is too slow to be a viable threat. Maxx is almost always hurt and if he's healthy he's not on the field bc of poor coaching. Boyle is slower than I am and is also suspended half the time. Waller is underused by the coaching staff but also took forever to figure it out. Taliaferro is a back and is always hurt. Urschel had a good rookie year and has done jack since then.

So, that leaves Perriman, West, Dixon, and Allen who have been healthy and at least somewhat effective, and three of them play the same position: RB, which isn't the key to unlocking any passing game.

And Perriman? Misused and drops too many over the middle passes. 

Wanna rethink the whole "plenty of talent" crap?

WOW, you're such a Debbie Downer, glass 3/4 empty guy. Four months to the start of the season and you've given up on the team already. Give Ozzie a chance, he knows there's work to be done.

Wanna rethink that negative attitude crap?

[kjbmore]

15 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Denver didn't really have much of an impressive offense and Seattle certainly didn't either. The Broncos got under 200 yards of passing offense in SB50. They both ran the ball really well but when they both won it all neither had a passing attack to brag about. I think the Ravens can manage points but there could be times where the offense underwhelms. I think the team is banking on Flacco and Perriman to at least make this a top 15 offense. I don't think the Ravens need to have a top 5 offense, if they're at the 15-10 range they will be a very good team. I think they certainly need to add a receiver and they will. 

Denver had sanders, Demaryious Thomas, Owen Daniels and Vernon Davis even if he was a shadow of himself along with a running game and Kubiak

Seahawks had a pro bowl running back, harvin, Baldwin, Tate, a qb who could make plays with his feet

I think people overlook the offensive facet of those teams.

Still need some semblance of an offense

think if we make playoffs fo n coaching staff get a pass, we load up for the following year

[The Raven]

3 hours ago, Bruce_Almty said:

WOW, you're such a Debbie Downer, glass 3/4 empty guy. Four months to the start of the season and you've given up on the team already. Give Ozzie a chance, he knows there's work to be done.

Wanna rethink that negative attitude crap?

If taking an objective look at reality makes me a Debbie Downer, then I'll get Debbie Downer tattooed on my forehead. The reality is that we don't have much reason to be excited about the "plenty of talent" surrounding Joe.

Can I just ask what makes you so optimistic about our offense? Other than the oline and running backs? Because that's all we have going for us.

[52520Andrew]

7 hours ago, Tru11 said:

you will blame the oline when they are actually allowing no pressure and are giving the QB a clean pocket to throw the ball?

that sounds really fair...

PS: i like  how you are trying to justify flacco throwing off his backfoot.
A QB setting his feet is 1 of the most elemantry things a QB is supposed to do.
No difference then a defender knowing how to tackle....

 

If it is one play out of many where he is getting pressured then I will blame the O-line for being bad enough that the QB can't trust them on a consistent basis. It depends on the situation. I just broke down how stuff like that works if you would care to go back and read the post. 

If you are too lazy to actually read(something you seemed quick to accuse me of not doing in the past) and just want to argue then I won't waste more time with you. I guess that is probably the wise decision here given that you would defend certain people for a making a bad call due to the supporting cast but can't defend a bad play due to a bad supporting cast. I mean I always thought you were a bit biased but having it confirmed like this is disappointing nonetheless. 

[RayRayRaven]

10 hours ago, Maryland said:

Maybe... or maybe Ozzie is targeting Calvin Ridley for 2018 lol

 

9 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I know you're joking but he's only junior this year, may not declare.

I'd rather wait for Fitzpatrick (also junior) to pair him up with Humphrey again.

if oz is stil callin shots in 2018 its gonna be epic

re jethro ...an u shake ur head...an sayed its a shame

[ravensnick]

16 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Imagine this place if Davis was there and we still took Humphrey.

I would fully expect Ozzie to do that.

[polynesian15]

2 hours ago, The Raven said:

If taking an objective look at reality makes me a Debbie Downer, then I'll get Debbie Downer tattooed on my forehead. The reality is that we don't have much reason to be excited about the "plenty of talent" surrounding Joe.

Can I just ask what makes you so optimistic about our offense? Other than the oline and running backs? Because that's all we have going for us.

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

[The Raven]

3 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

I do think that, unless Perriman steps up, the Super Bowl group was better than the current group. Pitta now is terrible in comparison to what he was, and Boldin made tough catches that nobody on our roster makes now.

If Perriman steps up bigly, we'll get close, but...

[arnie_uk]

17 minutes ago, polynesian15 said:

That might be enough, that's what we had during the last SB run.

Do you think Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby Jones, Pitta and Ed Dickson are substantially better than Wallace, Perriman, Moore/Camp and Pitta/Williams/Gilmore? I don't. Besides,Oz adds at least 1 pass catcher before the season maybe more. Sure you can say "but injuries...". The fact is they are a part of the game, can't 

Perriman gets a starting role this season, with a full TC, and will do tremendously well: 70-80 rec, 1000-1100 yards, 6-8 TD's.   
He got rid of his rookie jitters last year and will make an impact this season imo. 

The keys are: (adequate) protection by the OL, for Flacco to gain more confidence post injury, and for the running game to become a consistent, viable threat again. 

Yes the 2012 group was better and it isn't even close