Another year of anaemic offense???

[PurpleHorseman]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yet Wallace is still probably one of the ten fastest players in the league. Maxx still has a high ceiling, not his fault that he got hurt/Marc Trestman is a moron

Wallace isn't even close to fastest 10 players in the league. He isn't anywhere near as fast as he was in 2009/2010.in his 30's now

Edited Sunday at 08:39 AM by PurpleHorseman

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, Static said:

I dont have a problem with this draft but IF the offense sputters this season i don't want anyone saying anything about Joe Flacco.

already making excuses and we aint even at TC.....

[arnie_uk]

51 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

already making excuses and we aint even at TC.....

In fairness any issue with the offense has to land squarely on Ozzies shoulders 

[Tru11]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 5:44 AM, arnie_uk said:

In fairness any issue with the offense has to land squarely on Ozzies shoulders 

depends on the issues.

if flacco still has his crappy footwork  like the past 2 season then its his fault.
if his footwork is poor because there is someone in his face in under a second because oliners mis their block then you can look at Ozzie and the oline coach.

blaming poor player execution on the GM is anything but fair tbh.

no different then blaming flacco or the GM for a receiver dropping a wide open pass with nobody around.

we did in fact spend some high picks on offense the past seasons and did bring in some FA.
at some point it has to pay out ( looking at perriman and maxx in particular)

 

 

[polynesian15]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 6:55 AM, Tru11 said:

depends on the issues.

if flacco still has his crappy footwork  like the past 2 season then its his fault.
if his footwork is poor because there is someone in his face in under a second because oliners mis their block then you can look at Ozzie and the oline coach.

blaming poor player execution on the GM is anything but fair tbh.

no different then blaming flacco or the GM for a receiver dropping a wide open pass with nobody around.

we did in fact spend some high picks on offense the past seasons and did bring in some FA.
at some point it has to pay out ( looking at perriman and maxx in particular)

 

 

Agreed.

Unsure about Maxx, haven't heard from/about him in ages. Is he rehabbing still (what injury btw)?
However, next year Perriman will erupt (assuming the line does its job and Joe delivers) for 75-80 recs/1000-1100 yards/6-8 TD's. 

[bravensfan52]

Maxx had a tear in cartilage in his knee aka he had a meniscus tear. 

Edited Sunday at 11:16 AM by bravensfan52

[Bruce_Almty]

The Ravens may have whiffed on the offensive side of the ball this year but in the 2014, '15 n '16 draft we picked up plenty of talent that has been coached-up and needs to step up. 

WR: Campanaro, Perriman, Moore

TE: Gillmore, MWilliams, Boyle, Waller

RB: Taliaferro, West, Dixon, Allen

OL: Urschel

There are plenty of targets there for Joe to throw to and Stanley, Yanda, Goose, and Lewis are a great start at protecting and opening holes.

The offense can do it if Flacco can just get past being Average Joe.

[The Raven]

1 hour ago, Bruce_Almty said:

The Ravens may have whiffed on the offensive side of the ball this year but in the 2014, '15 n '16 draft we picked up plenty of talent that has been coached-up and needs to step up. 

WR: Campanaro, Perriman, Moore

TE: Gillmore, MWilliams, Boyle, Waller

RB: Taliaferro, West, Dixon, Allen

OL: Urschel

There are plenty of targets there for Joe to throw to and Stanley, Yanda, Goose, and Lewis are a great start at protecting and opening holes.

The offense can do it if Flacco can just get past being Average Joe.

Plenty of talent? Get real. Camp's always hurt. Moore has more drops than catches. Gillmore's always hurt and when he is on the field is too slow to be a viable threat. Maxx is almost always hurt and if he's healthy he's not on the field bc of poor coaching. Boyle is slower than I am and is also suspended half the time. Waller is underused by the coaching staff but also took forever to figure it out. Taliaferro is a back and is always hurt. Urschel had a good rookie year and has done jack since then.

So, that leaves Perriman, West, Dixon, and Allen who have been healthy and at least somewhat effective, and three of them play the same position: RB, which isn't the key to unlocking any passing game.

And Perriman? Misused and drops too many over the middle passes. 

Wanna rethink the whole "plenty of talent" crap?

Edited Sunday at 01:38 PM by The Raven

[RayRayRaven]

5 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Wallace isn't even close to fastest 10 players in the league. He isn't anywhere near as fast as he was in 2009/2010.in his 30's now

Wallace stil has a burst but he canna sustain it through the game. joe trusts him cuz he runs his routes. hes our only o hope but we need a big yr from him. 10td

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Plenty of talent? Get real. Camp's always hurt. Moore has more drops than catches. Gillmore's always hurt and when he is on the field is too slow to be a viable threat. Maxx is almost always hurt and if he's healthy he's not on the field bc of poor coaching. Boyle is slower than I am and is also suspended half the time. Waller is underused by the coaching staff but also took forever to figure it out. Taliaferro is a back and is always hurt. Urschel had a good rookie year and has done jack since then.

So, that leaves Perriman, West, Dixon, and Allen who have been healthy and at least somewhat effective, and three of them play the same position: RB, which isn't the key to unlocking any passing game.

And Perriman? Misused and drops too many over the middle passes. 

Wanna rethink the whole "plenty of talent" crap?

This. Our offense is relying in players with question marks everywhere.

Pass catchers that have shaky hands, waller Perriman and moore. Pass catchers with a chequered injury history, Perriman Williams Gilmore camp. Pass catchers with a chequered drug histroy, boyle.

Olineman that have been replaced by off the street cast offs and a 4th round rookie, Jensen and urschel.

These are the players we are relying on to step up. Maybe they do maybe they don't. But it's on Ozzies head if they don't 

[cobrajet]

I am not going to lie. I am seriously worried about our offense this season. Maybe if we signed a few free agent like Mangold, Boldin, or Dunlap, maybe they could finish their career in grand fashion here. Maybe Ozzie can still work out a trade with a team, but not sure if we will have the cap space. I am not going to go into panic mode just yet, but I pray we can find some help on offense besides Woodhead and a fourth round guard draftee.

[52520Andrew]

On ‎4‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 6:55 AM, Tru11 said:

depends on the issues.

if flacco still has his crappy footwork  like the past 2 season then its his fault.
if his footwork is poor because there is someone in his face in under a second because oliners mis their block then you can look at Ozzie and the oline coach.

blaming poor player execution on the GM is anything but fair tbh.

no different then blaming flacco or the GM for a receiver dropping a wide open pass with nobody around.

we did in fact spend some high picks on offense the past seasons and did bring in some FA.
at some point it has to pay out ( looking at perriman and maxx in particular)

 

 

Uh no, the offense has it's share of holes this year and people shouldn't flip out if they aren't the 2016 Falcons. Honestly if the group is even average I will be happy. You have given the defense plenty of passes due to not enough talent in the past(with plenty of high draft picks being misses), would be silly to not do the same with the offense.

The defense on the other hand needs to be top 5 for us to have a chance this year and they have talent to very realistically make that happen. Maybe if the FO decided to add a bunch of FAs and spend the first 4 picks on offense you can do this whole no excuses stuff with that group but anyone with a brain can tell the defense has more talent than the offense and will need to make up the difference for the Ravens in general to be good.

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

This. Our offense is relying in players with question marks everywhere.

Pass catchers that have shaky hands, waller Perriman and moore. Pass catchers with a chequered injury history, Perriman Williams Gilmore camp. Pass catchers with a chequered drug histroy, boyle.

Olineman that have been replaced by off the street cast offs and a 4th round rookie, Jensen and urschel.

These are the players we are relying on to step up. Maybe they do maybe they don't. But it's on Ozzies head if they don't 

Honestly I think the Ravens are still a year from having a legitimate shot at getting another super bowl. I think the defense is ready to go but the offense is going to need another offseason to get the talent in there. Should be real fun after that though

[RavensFanMania]

10 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yet Wallace is still probably one of the ten fastest players in the league. Maxx still has a high ceiling, not his fault that he got hurt/Marc Trestman is a moron

Agreed, and if you go back to his rookie season, he was starting to come on at the end of the season.  I have high hopes with Maxx.

[RavensFanMania]

12 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Honestly I think the Ravens are still a year from having a legitimate shot at getting another super bowl. I think the defense is ready to go but the offense is going to need another offseason to get the talent in there. Should be real fun after that though

I agree, but feel we will contend and have a shot at making the playoffs.  I have us at 9-7 and a wild card spot and if the cards fall right we could end up 10-6

Edited Sunday at 04:30 PM by RavensFanMania

[Tru11]

6 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Uh no, the offense has it's share of holes this year and people shouldn't flip out if they aren't the 2016 Falcons. Honestly if the group is even average I will be happy. You have given the defense plenty of passes due to not enough talent in the past(with plenty of high draft picks being misses), would be silly to not do the same with the offense.

The defense on the other hand needs to be top 5 for us to have a chance this year and they have talent to very realistically make that happen. Maybe if the FO decided to add a bunch of FAs and spend the first 4 picks on offense you can do this whole no excuses stuff with that group but anyone with a brain can tell the defense has more talent than the offense and will need to make up the difference for the Ravens in general to be good.

 

uh no.

none of you agreed with me and a select few  for giving the defense a pass in the past.

so its pretty hypocrite to now want us to do just that for the offense....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

 

uh no.

none of you agreed with me and a select few  for giving the defense a pass in the past.

so its pretty hypocrite to now want us to do just that for the offense....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The defense has never ever been this patchworked. Ever. 

[Deflated Football]

We really just need to stick with veterans lol. Ozzie doesn't have an eye for offense (maybe every once in a while) like he does for defense, and we have anemic positional coaches. Just trade for/sign the Boldin's of the NFL. That's what Joe prefers anyways. 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

The defense has never ever been this patchworked. Ever. 

what patchwork are you talking about?

QB RB TE are set.
FB is not that big of an issue either and boyle should be able to fill it in.
Blocking  FBs should not be hard to find either.

WR we have Wallace Perriman Moore and Camp for now.
Camp needs to stay healthy.
Moore should be better going into year 2 and the team seems to be high on him.
Wallace is a vet who was pretty darn good last season.
Perriman is a 1st round pick going in year 3, its about time he becomes a starter and at least be 1 of the best #2 receivers in the game.
Depth could be had from FA in the form of boldin perhaps or some cuts by other teams or any TC suprises.

Oline we have 3 starters returning in Stanley Yanda and Lewis.
We have 3 guys with starting experience in hurst jensen and urschel.
Drafted a rookie that could start right away in Siragusa.
Promising guys in Nembot and Wesley according to the team.
FA options like Mangold Dunlap and perhaps more when cuts are made.

Nothing is set at this point but i dont see the sky falling at all.
In order to find young quality players , you need to actually start playing these guys and give them a shot to show they are starters.
How do you want to find a late round gem like brown if you discard them from the start.

Its about time these coaches start developing these young players and its about time these young players start to develop in starting caliber/depth players.

 

 

 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I hope we get back to running the ball down peoples throats. Pass when needed to keep the defense honest but run baby run.

[52520Andrew]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

 

uh no.

none of you agreed with me and a select few  for giving the defense a pass in the past.

so its pretty hypocrite to now want us to do just that for the offense....

Well if one side does it, I guess that makes it okay for you to do it right? You ever hear the saying that if you argue with a moron you will lose because they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience? That is what you do when you throw excuses out there like that, drop yourself to their level. I won't bring up too much politics but I will say that people who talk like this in politics really make me mad. Have some integrity in yourself and don't let others dictate how you argue. There are people biased against the defense, plenty of others who aren't. Maybe you should appeal to those people in your arguments as opposed to looking just as bad.

I try to be fair in my judgments based on what I see. I can be wrong, I can be right. I don't treat both sides differently however and ask the offense to do more than they can while giving the defense a pass every time someone gets a broken nail. I give the defense a pass when nothing is there like 2014, I was a bit harsher in 2015 when I saw better talent and the injury bug hit mainly the offense but maybe I am wrong, they did pretty well for a good chunk of last year. I will say there is no excuse this year with all that talent but I think that is a given unless we get crazy injuries again.

As for offense, they haven't been this concerning since 2013 and it is going to be really hard for me to judge anyone with this current group right now. Flacco to me is what he has usually been which is inconsistent but on when it matters. But the coaches are going to have their work cut out for them in developing the WRs and O-line and should get some leeway. We don't have a reliable chain mover and have 2 holes in the O-line. That is an issue considering our only big passing options are speed threats and we will probably struggle having time for the deep routes to develop. I don't care if certain players have starting experience, so does Elam, you wanna give him a spot? If people want to criticize the offense for every speedbump they hit this year then they are no better than the ones you hate so much.

[52520Andrew]

4 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

I agree, but feel we will contend and have a shot at making the playoffs.  I have us at 9-7 and a wild card spot and if the cards fall right we could end up 10-6

Yeah I think we can certainly make the playoffs this year but I don't see us going into New England and winning with this offense right now. I think if we get the offense fixed next year that becomes a lot more realistic. 

[redrum52]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

 

uh no.

none of you agreed with me and a select few  for giving the defense a pass in the past.

so its pretty hypocrite to now want us to do just that for the offense....

Fighting till the very end.  I love it.  @52520Andrew Might have been one of the reasonable ones. Can't remember the discussions with him, though.  I do know some of the few you speak of.

[52520Andrew]

Just now, redrum52 said:

Fighting till the very end.  I love it.  @52520Andrew Might have been one of the reasonable ones. Can't remember the discussions with him, though.  I do know some of the few you speak of.

There are definitely people who are biased against the defense, we all know who these people are. Plenty of other reasonable people though and no reason to go crazy when some people want to give the offense a pass based on questionable talent.

I was tough on the defense in 2015 with all the blown leads and the only big injury being Suggs but I think a lot of people were giving the defense a pass in 2014 when nothing was there. I remember saying all that offseason we were short on corners.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

The defense has never ever been this patchworked. Ever. 

Seriously. It's like Ozzie looked at the steeers game and specifically tailored this defense to stop them. He literally ignored the offense for the majority of the offseason.

[PurpleCity5]

16 hours ago, kjbmore said:

Our offense couldn't keep our defense off the field - doesn't matter how good your defense is if it's b2b with a 3 and out offense - it will eventually tire.

Talk of Denver and Seahawk like D, both those sides still had weapons and offensive identity.

well only need an average offense to be able to compete with our new look d, but will we be mired In the bottom third of the league offensively??

Denver didn't really have much of an impressive offense and Seattle certainly didn't either. The Broncos got under 200 yards of passing offense in SB50. They both ran the ball really well but when they both won it all neither had a passing attack to brag about. I think the Ravens can manage points but there could be times where the offense underwhelms. I think the team is banking on Flacco and Perriman to at least make this a top 15 offense. I don't think the Ravens need to have a top 5 offense, if they're at the 15-10 range they will be a very good team. I think they certainly need to add a receiver and they will. 

[redrum52]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Seriously. It's like Ozzie looked at the steeers game and specifically tailored this defense to stop them. He literally ignored the offense for the majority of the offseason.

He has a plan.  The defense will outscore the opposing offense.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

He has a plan.  The defense will outscore the opposing offense.

LOL. 

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if the defense held opponents to 10 Ppg. 

 

That being said. I doubt our offense could score that

[PurpleCity5]

In terms of the offensive line, C and RT are concerns, but no one expects Stanley or Lewis to make big leaps in year 2? Stanley was a monster towards the end of the year and qualified as one of the best LTs in the final 4 weeks of the season and Lewis was a solid pass blocking guard, I do anticipate he will make improvements in the run game. I think this OL will be just fine, I don't think it will be near as bad as the 2013 OL. 

[Tru11]

15 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Well if one side does it, I guess that makes it okay for you to do it right? You ever hear the saying that if you argue with a moron you will lose because they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience? That is what you do when you throw excuses out there like that, drop yourself to their level. I won't bring up too much politics but I will say that people who talk like this in politics really make me mad. Have some integrity in yourself and don't let others dictate how you argue. There are people biased against the defense, plenty of others who aren't. Maybe you should appeal to those people in your arguments as opposed to looking just as bad.

I try to be fair in my judgments based on what I see. I can be wrong, I can be right. I don't treat both sides differently however and ask the offense to do more than they can while giving the defense a pass every time someone gets a broken nail. I give the defense a pass when nothing is there like 2014, I was a bit harsher in 2015 when I saw better talent and the injury bug hit mainly the offense but maybe I am wrong, they did pretty well for a good chunk of last year. I will say there is no excuse this year with all that talent but I think that is a given unless we get crazy injuries again.

As for offense, they haven't been this concerning since 2013 and it is going to be really hard for me to judge anyone with this current group right now. Flacco to me is what he has usually been which is inconsistent but on when it matters. But the coaches are going to have their work cut out for them in developing the WRs and O-line and should get some leeway. We don't have a reliable chain mover and have 2 holes in the O-line. That is an issue considering our only big passing options are speed threats and we will probably struggle having time for the deep routes to develop. I don't care if certain players have starting experience, so does Elam, you wanna give him a spot? If people want to criticize the offense for every speedbump they hit this year then they are no better than the ones you hate so much.

so you think its fair to blame ozzie when flacco throws off his back foot with no pressure what so ever?

cause i specifically gave that as an example of when i  will criticize him.
i also said i wont criticize him if he is throwing off his back foot cause a defender is in his face right off the snap.

what exactly is not fair in this way of thinking?