Another year of anaemic offense???

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, OUravensfan said:

How good are Mixon and Ross going to be, it's so infuriating that that team always gets offensive playmakers when they have down years. I wish some other team sacrificed their fake morals before the Bengals did so the guy wasn't in our division.

Why? Its never worked.

Sure they had a nice stretch where they made the playoffs... but is that your goal? You want to be a team that makes the playoffs for a couple years and self implodes every time they do, followed by stretches of being terrible???

Setting the bar low.

Why do we look on in envy of franchises that have proven their decision making doesnt work, doesnt put them over the top, and at best is incredibly volatile in its results.... while knocking or wanting to move away from a formula that has produced 2 SB's in a 12 year span (1 of a very short list of clubs to do so) and produces teams that consistently compete for playoffs and win when they get there?

It's like you dont pay attention when the talented but troubled players they take chances on get suspensions, go off the reservation in huge moments, and get personal fouls in the biggest games that cost wins..... If it happens once its a fluke. But when it is consistently the reason they lose and can never win a playoff game, thats a trend. And one you dont want to emulate if you have any common sense.

[jazz1988]

6 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

nothing crazy about this at all.

Flacco fits the coryell offense more then the west coast and the players we have at the moment fit that offense more.

norv turner is teamless i think 

 One of Joe Flacco's best seasons  was in a west coast offense and the other one was under the tutelage of a   quarterback coach with a west coast offense  background by name of Jim Zorn. Even during Joe Flacco excellent performance in 2012 playoff and super bowl  one of the reasons why the offense played so well was not only because it seem like Jim Caldwell  gave Joe Flacco more freedom to what he please but receivers were running more shorter routes and etc that may be considered west coast offense related.  I think alot of people think since Joe Flacco has a  big arm it just automatically mean he's more of a better fit for Corydell offense but I don't think that's the case at all.  Of course  he's not a  dink and dunk type of guy but I don't think at all he can't be successful in a west coast offense especially in Mary M type of west coast offense.

 

 

[allblackraven]

8 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 One of Joe Flacco's best seasons  was in a west coast offense and the other one was under the tutelage of a   quarterback coach with a west coast offense  background by name of Jim Zorn. Even during Joe Flacco excellent performance in 2012 playoff and super bowl  one of the reasons why the offense played so well was not only because it seem like Jim Caldwell  gave Joe Flacco more freedom to what he please but receivers were running more shorter routes and etc that may be considered west coast offense related.  I think alot of people think since Joe Flacco has a  big arm it just automatically mean he's more of a better fit for Corydell offense but I don't think that's the case at all.  Of course  he's not a  dink and dunk type of guy but I don't think at all he can't be successful in a west coast offense especially in Mary M type of west coast offense.

With what now looks like great defense in the making, all I want from our offense is to return to proper run game. Makes it easier on everybody. We'll just have to see whether the line holds but backfield looks decent and run game coach is in place. If that happens, Flacco would be able to mix it up a little and win us some games. Even Pitta should be able to make more than half a step in YAC.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

With what now looks like great defense in the making, all I want from our offense is to return to proper run game. Makes it easier on everybody. We'll just have to see whether the line holds but backfield looks decent and run game coach is in place. If that happens, Flacco would be able to mix it up a little and win us some games. Even Pitta should be able to make more than half a step in YAC.

dont know why you got negged for this.

Agree completely. The run game returning to even decent status is the key to this coming season. Bc if we can control the clock, keep Joe in 3rd and shorts (so those Pitta check downs become 1st downs), and open up play action -- FGs and the 1 or 2 big plays per game should make us a very tough team to beat with this defense.

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:29 PM by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 One of Joe Flacco's best seasons  was in a west coast offense and the other one was under the tutelage of a   quarterback coach with a west coast offense  background by name of Jim Zorn. Even during Joe Flacco excellent performance in 2012 playoff and super bowl  one of the reasons why the offense played so well was not only because it seem like Jim Caldwell  gave Joe Flacco more freedom to what he please but receivers were running more shorter routes and etc that may be considered west coast offense related.  I think alot of people think since Joe Flacco has a  big arm it just automatically mean he's more of a better fit for Corydell offense but I don't think that's the case at all.  Of course  he's not a  dink and dunk type of guy but I don't think at all he can't be successful in a west coast offense especially in Mary M type of west coast offense.

 

 

flacco best seasons came when he was pushing the ball downfield.

just look at adjusted yards gained per pass attempt and yards gained per completion for every season and compare them to how he did the past 2 seasons in the traditional west coast. ( kubiak runs his own version)

i urge you to pay a lot of attention to that 10.8 yards gained per pass attempt in the 2012 play offs.

its a highly ridiculous number tbh.

there is no way you get that by throwing short passes.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 08:58 PM by Tru11
cleared some stuff up

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

flacco best seasons came when he was pushing the ball downfield.

just look at yards gained per pass attempt and yards gained per completion for every season and compare them to how he did the past 2 seasons in the traditional west coast. ( kubiak runs his own version)

i urge you to pay a lot of attention to that 10.8 yards gained per pass attempt in the 2012 play offs.
im about 99.9% certain its the highest mark in NFL history.

its a highly ridiculous number tbh.

there is no way you get that by throwing short passes.

 

 

 

 

 

10.8 per attempt is ABSURD. Wow.

Ive never seen that before. Thats literally insane. Thats more than a 1st down every ATTEMPT. Balls leaves his hand - 1st down.

 

Man, i forget sometimes just how amazing he was on that run.

[Tru11]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

10.8 per attempt is ABSURD. Wow.

Ive never seen that before. Thats literally insane. Thats more than a 1st down every ATTEMPT. Balls leaves his hand - 1st down.

 

Man, i forget sometimes just how amazing he was on that run.

to clarify im talking about adjusted yards gained per attempt.

even still its freaking absurd lol.

think only montana 1989 play off run was better

 

 

[ravensnation5220]

I think we are sleeping on players like Darren Waller and Buck Allen. These guys can have a chance to contribute and be playmakers on this team. 

I also wouldnt sleep on Kenny Bell...this kid could make a name for himself in training camp

Chris Mathews is another guy to keep an eye on I think

[flynismo]

5 hours ago, Tru11 said:

flacco best seasons came when he was pushing the ball downfield.

Abso. Freakin. Lootly.

I don't give a rat's rear what the stat sheets say, Flacco is at his best when he is throwing intermediate and deep passes all game long.

[Grapple Raven]

14 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I seen that it won't affect Keenan Reynolds but it will for other that recently enter the draft but i'm not entirely sure if it's true.

I haven't been on the computer today, so I haven't checked today's news, but the article indicated that the new policy was written May 1st and would go into effect at that time.  At the time of the article Keenan couldn't be reached for comment as to how it would effect his military status. If you find out anything could you please post a link, thanks.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

I haven't been on the computer today, so I haven't checked today's news, but the article indicated that the new policy was written May 1st and would go into effect at that time.  At the time of the article Keenan couldn't be reached for comment as to how it would effect his military status. If you find out anything could you please post a link, thanks.

"According to a DOD spokesman the policy change requiring two years of active duty does not apply retroactively to Ravens WR Keenan Reynolds.”

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/ravens-wr-keenan-reynolds-not-impacted-dod-policy-change/

[Grapple Raven]

47 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

"According to a DOD spokesman the policy change requiring two years of active duty does not apply retroactively to Ravens WR Keenan Reynolds.”

https://www.fanragsports.com/news/ravens-wr-keenan-reynolds-not-impacted-dod-policy-change/

Thanks so much allblackraven, appreciate it!

[allblackraven]

47 minutes ago, Grapple Raven said:

Thanks so much allblackraven, appreciate it!

Glad I could be of service

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

Abso. Freakin. Lootly.

I don't give a rat's rear what the stat sheets say, Flacco is at his best when he is throwing intermediate and deep passes all game long.

we sure butt hell agree on that lol.

might mean judgement day is around the corner hahahhaa

[jazz1988]

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

flacco best seasons came when he was pushing the ball downfield.

just look at adjusted yards gained per pass attempt and yards gained per completion for every season and compare them to how he did the past 2 seasons in the traditional west coast. ( kubiak runs his own version)

i urge you to pay a lot of attention to that 10.8 yards gained per pass attempt in the 2012 play offs.

its a highly ridiculous number tbh.

there is no way you get that by throwing short passes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Marty M runs his own version of the west coast offense as well  and it's not your typical traditional west coast offense.Joe Flacco had one of his best seasons under Gary Kubiak and his  adjusted yards gained per pass  attempt that year was 7.2 yards.  and his yards per gain per completion was 11.6 yards. Last year Joe Flacco adjusted yards  per pas attempt was 1.0  yard less and his yards per gain per completion was 1.7 yard less than what  he  had in 2014.I think you have take in consideration that Marc Trestman was bought in here from  day one to   run Gary Kubiak offense who has never been apart of  Kubiak's  coaching staff or run anything similar . Not only that but even Ravens  current offensive coordinator Marty M  who was The Ravens primary quarterback coach back then had to adjust to a offensive system that was  not his own  along with adjusting  to Marc Trestman who he has never worked with before in his career. So imagine how that's like when both these guys are in Joe Flacco ear after losing  o Gary  Kubiak and Rick Dennison in short amount of time. The Ravens offense had no structure or direction for the past two years and if Kubiak taught The Ravens anything it's that you can't build a good offense with out  a coaching staff/position  coaches that aren't familiar with the system or fit the philosophy of the offense or defensive system.

 

The Ravens offense in 2014 would not have went so smoothly if Kubiak wasn't allowed to bring in his own guys. Joe Flacco playoff run was quite amazing and it may be the best performance he will ever have but that doesn't mean shorter passes weren't thrown either. One of the main reasons why The Ravens offense exploded in 2012 under Jim Caldwell was because he bought balance to the offense and called plays normally Cam Cameron wouldn't do on a consistent basis. For the past two years I don't think The Ravens running game has been preforming well so if the running game isn't efficient or atleast a concern towards opposing defenses then how is Flacco going to be able to throw it deep ? Everyone knows he has  a big arm so  a safety can stay in deep coverage all day because Flacco big arm is not a  secret especially with no rushing attack to be concerned about. I think The Ravens 2013 season can speak volumes of that  as well and The Ravens were running a  air corydell offense back then .

[flynismo]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

we sure butt hell agree on that lol.

might mean judgement day is around the corner hahahhaa

Actually we agree on a good bit, but agreeing is boring LOL

[Tru11]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Marty M runs his own version of the west coast offense as well  and it's not your typical traditional west coast offense.Joe Flacco had one of his best seasons under Gary Kubiak and his  adjusted yards gained per pass  attempt that year was 7.2 yards.  and his yards per gain per completion was 11.6 yards. Last year Joe Flacco adjusted yards  per pas attempt was 1.0  yard less and his yards per gain per completion was 1.7 yard less than what  he  had in 2014.I think you have take in consideration that Marc Trestman was bought in here from  day one to   run Gary Kubiak offense who has never been apart of  Kubiak's  coaching staff or run anything similar . Not only that but even Ravens  current offensive coordinator Marty M  who was The Ravens primary quarterback coach back then had to adjust to a offensive system that was  not his own  along with adjusting  to Marc Trestman who he has never worked with before in his career. So imagine how that's like when both these guys are in Joe Flacco ear after losing  o Gary  Kubiak and Rick Dennison in short amount of time. The Ravens offense had no structure or direction for the past two years and if Kubiak taught The Ravens anything it's that you can't build a good offense with out  a coaching staff/position  coaches that aren't familiar with the system or fit the philosophy of the offense or defensive system.

 

The Ravens offense in 2014 would not have went so smoothly if Kubiak wasn't allowed to bring in his own guys. Joe Flacco playoff run was quite amazing and it may be the best performance he will ever have but that doesn't mean shorter passes weren't thrown either. One of the main reasons why The Ravens offense exploded in 2012 under Jim Caldwell was because he bought balance to the offense and called plays normally Cam Cameron wouldn't do on a consistent basis. For the past two years I don't think The Ravens running game has been preforming well so if the running game isn't efficient or atleast a concern towards opposing defenses then how is Flacco going to be able to throw it deep ? Everyone knows he has  a big arm so  a safety can stay in deep coverage all day because Flacco big arm is not a  secret especially with no rushing attack to be concerned about. I think The Ravens 2013 season can speak volumes of that  as well and The Ravens were running a  air corydell offense back then .

last year he attempted 118 more passes and completed 92 more passes then he did under kubiak.
he attempted 141 more passes and completed 119 more passes then he did in 2012.
attempted 183 more passes and completed 130 more passes then he did 2010.

so 1.0 yard and 1.7 yard less is a significant downgrade.

Also you know what else speaks volumes: 
Croyell : 5 play off appearences couple of championship games 1 SB title , missed the play offs 1 time

Westcoast: 1 play off season , 2 times not making the play offs and the franchise QB landing on IR.

I would expected only guys like wisdom and rayray to actively be in favor of the west coast offense quite frankly....

Ow btw you might wanna look up why Marty version of the west coast goes by ``Marty Ball``.

Also another thing that speaks volumes.

2013 was the first season we went with a different run game coordinator/o-line coach.
His name was Castillo who is from the Any Reid coaching who runs............ the West coast offense.

So the first season our run game went to hell is also the first season we had an o-line coach with a west coast back ground.
The other 2 seasons where our run game was nowhere to be found was also the same seasons we had the same guy with the same background in charge of the o-line.

the only season in between when we had succes running the ball was when we brought in kubiak who came with his own scheme and staff.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

Actually we agree on a good bit, but agreeing is boring LOL

true true hahahah

[52520Andrew]

20 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Yes i would be fine with starting a 4th round rookie at CB.
was actually advocating that just last freaking season....

does the name tavon young ring any bells?

wanted him to start over wright and powers.
want him to start over carr this season and until humphrey shows he is better.
want him then to become the starting nickle corner.

Also calling me out?

Same people that complain when a defender misses a tackle or when a receiver drops a pass  are making excuses when the QB displays bad footwork when he gets good pass protection.

catching ,tackling are just as fundamental to their position as is proper footwork for the QB.

So who is actually unfair and showing bias when complaining about the former 2 and make excuses for the latter?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have you seen this O-line class? Or are you just looking at a 4th round label? Do you even know anything about our guy? How can you have confidence in a guy you know nothing about? The guy is potentially moving to Center even though he hasn't played it. Gino was a 4th rounder and had a year to study behind Birk. Sorry if I don't just buy into hype that he can handle that.

A drop depends on whether the QB placed the ball in a good position. If the WR has to flip around and do acrobats to even get a hand on the ball, I will be a heck of a lot more forgiving as opposed to a guy just sitting there and having it bounce off his chest.

And dude, the same thing applies to missed tackles. If a defender is getting flushed out of a play because the NT is not doing their job and a guard is getting a free run at the safety and the safety is just able to get out of that block and can't square up on a RB who is already running at top speed, well most times that is going to be a missed tackle. You have to evaluate everything is going on in the game as opposed to zeroing in on someone with the purpose to criticize.

[Tru11]

5 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Have you seen this O-line class? Or are you just looking at a 4th round label? Do you even know anything about our guy? How can you have confidence in a guy you know nothing about? The guy is potentially moving to Center even though he hasn't played it. Gino was a 4th rounder and had a year to study behind Birk. Sorry if I don't just buy into hype that he can handle that.

A drop depends on whether the QB placed the ball in a good position. If the WR has to flip around and do acrobats to even get a hand on the ball, I will be a heck of a lot more forgiving as opposed to a guy just sitting there and having it bounce off his chest.

And dude, the same thing applies to missed tackles. If a defender is getting flushed out of a play because the NT is not doing their job and a guard is getting a free run at the safety and the safety is just able to get out of that block and can't square up on a RB who is already running at top speed, well most times that is going to be a missed tackle. You have to evaluate everything is going on in the game as opposed to zeroing in on someone with the purpose to criticize.

You can draft a guy in round 1 and he sucks while you draft a guy in round 6 that becomes 1 of the best players in the game.

The draft is a lottery.

Sira can be a guy who can be as bust like gino , or he can be decend like lewis was last season  or become a stud like wagner or heck maybe he is even the next yanda.

Only way to find that out is to have confidence in the guy and let him proof you right or wrong.

Who says that if we drafted a guy higher that he would be better?
Who says if we bring in dunlap or mangold that they have enough left to be an upgrade?
Who says if we trade for thomas that he wont injure himself before TC?

You cant predict the future so rather then burning these young fellas to the ground before even a freaking week has past , how about you put some confidence in the fella and see how he does in TC.

If he is good then no issues.
If he sucks and there is no back up plan then shame on the FO.

If Flacco gets good protection and his footwork still sucks then i will criticize him.
If he is under pressure all the time then i will give him a pass.

If the o-line is 2013 bad then he gets a pass.
if the o-line is like 2014 i expect him to show proper footwork in the pocket.

in others words as an example i will evaluate the protection of the o-line first and then based on that i will look at the footwork of the QB when attempting to make a pass.

but on 1 thing i will evaluate the other.

at no point have i said that i will look at flacco footwork only and ignore everything else.
 

so drop the zeroing with purpose to criticize BS please

let me even be more specific.

if flacco drops back to pass 10  times and:
he is under pressure lets say half of the time or more , im not going to bash the fella for his footwork.
but if he is under pressure only about 3 times or less , i will expect him to show good footwork the times he has no pressure.

PS there seems to be quite a few people that have confidence in Sira when reading his welcome thread.

Edited yesterday at 06:56 PM by Tru11
added the last part

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

last year he attempted 118 more passes and completed 92 more passes then he did under kubiak.
he attempted 141 more passes and completed 119 more passes then he did in 2012.
attempted 183 more passes and completed 130 more passes then he did 2010.

 

 

 

You just compared three seasons of when The Ravens run game was good to one season where the run game wasn't good. Look at 2013 season where Flacco passed the ball  618 times  and if you consider the offensive line and more for Joe Flacco woes then I don't understand why consistent offensive coordinator changes and the fact that two coaches had to get on board  run  a offensive system that wasn't their own and more isn't even being consider as  one legit reasons why the offense has been poor for the past two years..Are you really blaming The Ravens playoff woes because they changed  their offensive scheme to  a west coast offense? I have to totally disagree with that if you do because there's alot of stuff that has occurred in the past two years for the reason why The Ravens have missed the playoffs and I don't think the  west coast offense has been the main culprit of that . Even with Gary Kubiak The Ravens almost nearly missed the playoffs if they had not won against The Browns and The Chiefs had not won against The Chargers. Actually Juan Castillo wasn't the first offensive line coach with a west coast offense back ground because former Ravens offensive line coach John Matsko beats him out in that department. Matsko was apart of The Ravens coaching staff back when Brian Billick was The Raven head coach. I will admit that Matsko does have  experience in the corydell and west coast offense  but even Andy Moeller had a west coast offense background especially back in the day under Terry Malone when he was apart of  Michigan coaching staff.

 

I'm not entirely sure if it really matters  if a offensive line coach has  a west coast or corydell background because  there isn't a real  specific blocking scheme for either one. The corydell offense probably emphasis more on the offensive line to be skilled in pass protection though especially since the quarterback would be throwing it deep more times than not. 

Edited yesterday at 04:04 PM by jazz1988

[redrum52]

On 5/2/2017 at 11:11 AM, rossihunter2 said:

it'll bite them some day the same way that vontaze burfict and adam jones single handedly lost them that playoff game vs pittsburgh

It's crazy to me that Burfict and Jones get blamed for a game that Burfict had essentially won if not for a fumble.

 

On 5/2/2017 at 0:05 PM, Tru11 said:

nothing crazy about this at all.

Flacco fits the coryell offense more then the west coast and the players we have at the moment fit that offense more.

norv turner is teamless i think 

Lmao... You're getting negged off rep for this one.

 

On 5/2/2017 at 11:08 AM, OUravensfan said:

How good are Mixon and Ross going to be, it's so infuriating that that team always gets offensive playmakers when they have down years. I wish some other team sacrificed their fake morals before the Bengals did so the guy wasn't in our division.

He'll have some of the greatest mentors in Cinci.

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

You can draft a guy in round 1 and he sucks while you draft a guy in round 6 that becomes 1 of the best players in the game.

The draft is a lottery.

Sira can be a guy who can be as bust like gino , or he can be decend like lewis was last season  or become a stud like wagner or heck maybe he is even the next yanda.

Only way to find that out is to have confidence in the guy and let him proof you right or wrong.

Who says that if we drafted a guy higher that he would be better?
Who says if we bring in dunlap or mangold that they have enough left to be an upgrade?
Who says if we trade for thomas that he wont injure himself before TC?

You cant predict the future so rather then burning these young fellas to the ground before even a freaking week has past , how about you put some confidence in the fella and see how he does in TC.

If he is good then no issues.
If he sucks and there is no back up plan then shame on the FO.

If Flacco gets good protection and his footwork still sucks then i will criticize him.
If he is under pressure all the time then i will give him a pass.

If the o-line is 2013 bad then he gets a pass.
if the o-line is like 2014 i expect him to show proper footwork in the pocket.

in others words as an example i will evaluate the protection of the o-line first and then based on that i will look at the footwork of the QB when attempting to make a pass.

but on 1 thing i will evaluate the other.

at no point have i said that i will look at flacco footwork only and ignore everything else.
 

so drop the zeroing with purpose to criticize BS please

let me even be more specific.

if flacco drops back to pass 10  times and:
he is under pressure lets say half of the time or more , im not going to bash the fella for his footwork.
but if he is under pressure only about 3 times or less , i will expect him to show good footwork the times he has no pressure.
 

30 percent of his passes under pressure would probably be some kind of nfl record.

The average pass rusher applies pressure less than  10 percent of the time according to a website that evaluated tim Williams and his riduclous pressure rate

[Adreme]

On 5/2/2017 at 0:36 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Why? Its never worked.

Sure they had a nice stretch where they made the playoffs... but is that your goal? You want to be a team that makes the playoffs for a couple years and self implodes every time they do, followed by stretches of being terrible???

Setting the bar low.

Why do we look on in envy of franchises that have proven their decision making doesnt work, doesnt put them over the top, and at best is incredibly volatile in its results.... while knocking or wanting to move away from a formula that has produced 2 SB's in a 12 year span (1 of a very short list of clubs to do so) and produces teams that consistently compete for playoffs and win when they get there?

It's like you dont pay attention when the talented but troubled players they take chances on get suspensions, go off the reservation in huge moments, and get personal fouls in the biggest games that cost wins..... If it happens once its a fluke. But when it is consistently the reason they lose and can never win a playoff game, thats a trend. And one you dont want to emulate if you have any common sense.

A couple being 6 and contending for a super bowl in most of them is something 28 teams in the NFL would take.  Even in these "off" years they are only really a game or 2 worse.  The Ravens problem is always they struggle to get there but always make noise when they do.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

 

You just compared three seasons of when The Ravens run game was good to one season where the run game wasn't good. Look at 2013 season where Flacco passed the ball  618 times  and if you consider the offensive line and more for Joe Flacco woes then I don't understand why consistent offensive coordinator changes and the fact that two coaches had to get on board  run  a offensive system that wasn't their own and more isn't even being consider as  one legit reasons why the offense has been poor for the past two years..Are you really blaming The Ravens playoff woes because they changed  their offensive scheme to  a west coast offense? I have to totally disagree with that if you do because there's alot of stuff that has occurred in the past two years for the reason why The Ravens have missed the playoffs and I don't think the  west coast offense has been the main culprit of that . Even with Gary Kubiak The Ravens almost nearly missed the playoffs if they had not won against The Browns and The Chiefs had not won against The Chargers. Actually Juan Castillo wasn't the first offensive line coach with a west coast offense back ground because former Ravens offensive line coach John Matsko beats him out in that department. Matsko was apart of The Ravens coaching staff back when Brian Billick was The Raven head coach. I will admit that Matsko does have  experience in the corydell and west coast offense  but even Andy Moeller had a west coast offense background especially back in the day under Terry Malone when he was apart of  Michigan coaching staff.

 

I'm not entirely sure if it really matters  if a offensive line coach has  a west coast or corydell background because  there isn't a real  specific blocking scheme for either one. The corydell offense probably emphasis more on the offensive line to be skilled in pass protection though especially since the quarterback would be throwing it deep more times than not. 

i compared the 3 season you mentioned to last season which you mentioned as well.

Croyell  is more based on power running.
West Coast is more based on zone blocking.
Hope this awnser your question and if not just use whatever reason you had to bring up zorn back ground cause it should matter even less what back ground a QB coach has.

Castillo experience with zone blocking and the west coast offense is far superior then that of moeller.
Makes sense i guess that he was brought in to replace Moeller in 2013 since the team planned to go that route.
Castillo was actually installing this during the season and even promised things would improve after the bye.

it was highly reported and discussed pretty heavily on the boards during and after the season.

not sure why you are pretending like this is new to you.

 

 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, arnie_uk said:

30 percent of his passes under pressure would probably be some kind of nfl record.

The average pass rusher applies pressure less than  10 percent of the time according to a website that evaluated tim Williams and his riduclous pressure rate

good thing there are not the only one rushing the passer on any given play?

not sure how credible profootballfocus is but according to them kessler when he played was pressured almost 50 % of the time.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-five-nfl-qbs-under-pressure/

 

it was also just an example though.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 06:08 PM by Tru11

[The Raven]

29 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

i compared the 3 season you mentioned to last season which you mentioned as well.

Croyell  is more based on power running.
West Coast is more based on zone blocking.
Hope this awnser your question and if not just use whatever reason you had to bring up zorn back ground cause it should matter even less what back ground a QB coach has.

Castillo experience with zone blocking and the west coast offense is far superior then that of moeller.
Makes sense i guess that he was brought in to replace Moeller in 2013 since the team planned to go that route.
Castillo was actually installing this during the season and even promised things would improve after the bye.

it was highly reported and discussed pretty heavily on the boards during and after the season.

not sure why you are pretending like this is new to you.

 

 

Just popping in to say there's not really a correlation between passing scheme and blocking scheme in terms of man vs zone. Coryell can work with zone as it did with Cam in 2011 (when we actually started the wide zone) and west coast can work with power as seen by the Jim Harbaugh era 49ers and the Patriots. The difference between Coryell and west coast is more so with the splits and footwork. You'll see deeper, vertical sets with longer/larger linemen in the coryell and you'll see more horizontal, aggressive, short sets with more mobile/compact linemen in the west coast.

Also don't waste your time with Jazz. Rarely knows anything at all.

[jazz1988]

  

 

14 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Just popping in to say there's not really a correlation between passing scheme and blocking scheme in terms of man vs zone. Coryell can work with zone as it did with Cam in 2011 (when we actually started the wide zone) and west coast can work with power as seen by the Jim Harbaugh era 49ers and the Patriots. The difference between Coryell and west coast is more so with the splits and footwork. You'll see deeper, vertical sets with longer/larger linemen in the coryell and you'll see more horizontal, aggressive, short sets with more mobile/compact linemen in the west coast.

Also don't waste your time with Jazz. Rarely knows anything at all.

Stay classy The Raven lol. Be humble  in the words of Kendrick Lamar.

Edited yesterday at 06:41 PM by jazz1988

[Tru11]

17 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Just popping in to say there's not really a correlation between passing scheme and blocking scheme in terms of man vs zone. Coryell can work with zone as it did with Cam in 2011 (when we actually started the wide zone) and west coast can work with power as seen by the Jim Harbaugh era 49ers and the Patriots. The difference between Coryell and west coast is more so with the splits and footwork. You'll see deeper, vertical sets with longer/larger linemen in the coryell and you'll see more horizontal, aggressive, short sets with more mobile/compact linemen in the west coast.

Also don't waste your time with Jazz. Rarely knows anything at all.

ill take your word as the residential o-line guru for it lol

[arnie_uk]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

  

 

Stay classy The Raven lol. Be humble  in the words of Kendrick Lamar.

He's not far wrong. Maybe we'll change our tune if you criticise something for once and be honest