Edgar Mock Two

[Edgar]

I'm still partial to OJ and Eflein but this one is growing on me.

 

1)  TJ WATT -  OLB, WISCONSIN

High football IQ doesn't work in describing this guy. It reads too cliche and it doesn't do him justice. Combine this field acumen with religious tape study and work ethic and you are scratching it a little.

Excellent hands, jolts the man in front of him with long limbs. Already a very heady pass rusher...shows good rip move and ability to get home off the edge. Really only starting to see this guy. Really could be a great great Ravens defender.

Concerned by lack of tape and there are injury concerns but as a player I'm convinced he's tailored to fit here.

Absolutely jumps off film. ( Joe flex started the wheels on him)

2) MARLON HUMPHREY - CB, ALABAMA 

Could be seen as a slide but I think it a good chance he is there for us. 

Very physical corner, good tackler. Struggles with deep speed and needs to get better at finding ball.

Great speed, gifted athlete and experienced and comfortable in zone and man coverage.

3)  ISAAC ASIATA - G/C , UTAH 

Physical nasty and versatile. Loves football, works hard, an intimidating blocker who can play either guard spot and has experience at center. Start him next to Stanley year one. ( Raine started me on him)

3) JOE MATHIS - OLB, WASHINGTON

Criminally underrated. In only six games in 2016, Mathis registered 7.5 tackles for loss, 5 sacks and 25 tackles. He constantly pressures the QB, bends the edge and has seriously powerful hands. Sets the edge in the run game. I love having him paired with Judon and Watt. If healthy, he's a steal who I feel could start in short order.

4) CORNELIUS ELDER - CB, MIAMI

Physical corner. Fast to the action against the run. Very athletic former running back. Good cover corner probably relegated to the slot and to covering smallish quicker receivers. Impossible not to like this player.

Very similar skill set to Tavon.

5)  JON TOTH - CENTER, KENTUCKY

My second favorite center in this year's draft behind Elflein. Four year starter in SEC. Smart player, calls protections at Kentucky. Good anchor against bull rush. Good size for center position.

6)  DARREUS ROGERS - WR , USC

Another underrated steal. Viewed as a slow mover who struggles to separate. Only one of those two things is true. This guy finds holes in zones or bodies up or shields or just plain takes the ball from defenders. Great possession receiver and red zone weapon. Just throw the ball up to this guy in man coverage....he will win.

 

 

[purpletide]

Do you know when Watt is projected? I don't see Humphrey sliding to mid second.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, purpletide said:

Do you know when Watt is projected? I don't see Humphrey sliding to mid second.

as much as i personally prefer watt to humphrey i think its far more likely that we take humphrey 1st round and watt 2nd round

[purpletide]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

as much as i personally prefer watt to humphrey i think its far more likely that we take humphrey 1st round and watt 2nd round

That's what I'm thinking. The better player doesn't matter as much as how valuable good corners are in the NFL. I like what I've heard from Watt but I'm not sure when he's meant to go, whether him or Humphrey are more likely to slide.

[ravensnation5220]

Ya idk about Humphrey falling that far. Height, weight, speed corners who play physical don't last long in the draft. It's also a reason why I see Conley and Moreau going earlier than people expect

[purpletide]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya idk about Humphrey falling that far. Height, weight, speed corners who play physical don't last long in the draft. It's also a reason why I see Conley and Moreau going earlier than people expect

How do you feel about the rest of the draft? I don't know how I feel about taking a WR in the 6th, but I haven't looked into the later round prospects as much.

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, purpletide said:

How do you feel about the rest of the draft? I don't know how I feel about taking a WR in the 6th, but I haven't looked into the later round prospects as much.

It depends which part of the draft or what positions. It's hard to gauge later prospects because there's so many guys we don't know about. As for late round receivers I like darrius Rodgers USC, Kermit Whitfield fsu, Trent Taylor LA tech, and Noel Thomas Uconn. There really isn't much depth in this receiver class but those are guys I'd consider drafting late

[hn68wb4]

I'm as big a fan of Watt as anyone but I still can't see him at #16, he's just too unproven and raw as an outside rusher for me. If we trade back in the first - which I think is actually very likely - then I can see us grabbing him in the 20s. His ceiling is the roof as they say.

I've always been somewhat of a defender of Humphrey and I really don't think he lasts until our second pick, he checks all of the intangible boxes from what I've seen and I expect him to go in the first, possibly the second CB off the board now that Jones tore his Achilles.

I don't have any complaints really about the rest. I'm not a huge fan of either Asiata or Mathis but I don't think the value there is bad, to each his own I suppose. I think we all have Elder as a "sleeper" CB - though I think that sort of flies in the face of what a "sleeper" is - and grabbing Toth and Rogers later would be great.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Ya idk about Humphrey falling that far. Height, weight, speed corners who play physical don't last long in the draft. It's also a reason why I see Conley and Moreau going earlier than people expect

Conley will be the surprise where I think he is second corner off the board. Moreau in any other class would go end of the first. He easily will go in the second though.

[RavensDieHard21]

I love Watt and I wouldn't be mad with him at 16 but Ozzie could get a lot craftier by trading back and still landing him with an additional early pick. 

Post combine and Sidney Jones injury j predict that Lattimore, Conley and Humphrey will come off the board all in that order within the top 20. 

Asiata is a beast though I would love getting that kind of brute strength back on the line 

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Conley will be the surprise where I think he is second corner off the board. Moreau in any other class would go end of the first. He easily will go in the second though.

I love Conley but I would definitely be surprised if he gets taken ahead of Quincy Wilson and marlon Humphrey who also both had pretty good combines themselves - it's funny though, I want to be right in my love for Conley but also kind of want to be wrong so that we can land him in the 2nd - he and Barnett are my two draft darlings

its funny how much the analysts overlook guys like Moreau early in the draft process because guys like Jeremiah have come out and said he's a first round talent in the last couple of weeks and yet before the combine he was supposedly a late 3rd round guy in the same prospect realm as Rasul Douglas and just ahead of guys like Damontae kazee (who I really like), chidobe awuzie (who also might now go in the 2nd round and Jeremiah had go in the 1st in his most recent mock), and akhello Witherspoon

and going back to Edgar's mock, as much as I really like elder in the 4th, you're right he is a lot like tavon young, if someone like kazee was also available there then I'd have a tough time taking elder in stead

and just another note: just like with Humphrey and watt, I think it's more likely you get Darreus rogers in the 5th and Jon Toth in the 6th

[Edgar]

9 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I love Conley but I would definitely be surprised if he gets taken ahead of Quincy Wilson and marlon Humphrey who also both had pretty good combines themselves - it's funny though, I want to be right in my love for Conley but also kind of want to be wrong so that we can land him in the 2nd - he and Barnett are my two draft darlings

its funny how much the analysts overlook guys like Moreau early in the draft process because guys like Jeremiah have come out and said he's a first round talent in the last couple of weeks and yet before the combine he was supposedly a late 3rd round guy in the same prospect realm as Rasul Douglas and just ahead of guys like Damontae kazee (who I really like), chidobe awuzie (who also might now go in the 2nd round and Jeremiah had go in the 1st in his most recent mock), and akhello Witherspoon

and going back to Edgar's mock, as much as I really like elder in the 4th, you're right he is a lot like tavon young, if someone like kazee was also available there then I'd have a tough time taking elder in stead

and just another note: just like with Humphrey and watt, I think it's more likely you get Darreus rogers in the 5th and Jon Toth in the 6th

I think it's more likely that neither Watt or Humphrey make it to our 2.

Pretty confident that Watt is taken ahead of him and that Humphrey slides to round 2 though.

 

 

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I think it's more likely that neither Watt or Humphrey make it to our 2.

Pretty confident that Watt is taken ahead of him and that Humphrey slides to round 2 though.

 

 

What makes you think that? With Sidney jones injury doesn't that just cement Humphrey as at worst the 5th corner off the board after lattimore, Wilson, Conley and white? I could definitely see some teams seeing him as the 2nd best corner in the draft behind lattimore as well so I'd be enormously surprised if he makes it out of round 1

[RavensDieHard21]

Humphrey would never ever make it past Seattle. He is there kind of corner.

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

What makes you think that? With Sidney jones injury doesn't that just cement Humphrey as at worst the 5th corner off the board after lattimore, Wilson, Conley and white? I could definitely see some teams seeing him as the 2nd best corner in the draft behind lattimore as well so I'd be enormously surprised if he makes it out of round 1

I have questions about Humphrey. I'm only guessing but I think a lot of teams do. I see him being burnt deep in college....guys getting a step on him.

I wonder about how often that might have happened had he not had Allen, Williams, Tomlinson, Adams, etc in front of him. If quarterbacks had time.....

I think you might see others besides the ones you mentioned go before him. Douglas, Baker, Melinfonwu, Moreau.....could be wrong.

[RavensDieHard21]

31 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I love Conley but I would definitely be surprised if he gets taken ahead of Quincy Wilson and marlon Humphrey who also both had pretty good combines themselves - it's funny though, I want to be right in my love for Conley but also kind of want to be wrong so that we can land him in the 2nd - he and Barnett are my two draft darlings

its funny how much the analysts overlook guys like Moreau early in the draft process because guys like Jeremiah have come out and said he's a first round talent in the last couple of weeks and yet before the combine he was supposedly a late 3rd round guy in the same prospect realm as Rasul Douglas and just ahead of guys like Damontae kazee (who I really like), chidobe awuzie (who also might now go in the 2nd round and Jeremiah had go in the 1st in his most recent mock), and akhello Witherspoon

and going back to Edgar's mock, as much as I really like elder in the 4th, you're right he is a lot like tavon young, if someone like kazee was also available there then I'd have a tough time taking elder in stead

and just another note: just like with Humphrey and watt, I think it's more likely you get Darreus rogers in the 5th and Jon Toth in the 6th

The NFL is now a space game where everyone spreads out and matches their superstars v their opponents. With that being said, I think teams deeply prioritize CBs early. DJ has had some really horrific mocks so I don't put too much weight into them. I think that Lattimore, Humphrey, Wilson, Conley and White go in the first with Tabor possibly still sneaking in for Seattle. 

In the second guys like Moreau, Chidobe, Lewis, Tankersley, Jones, will rip off the board early after the teams that skipped on CBs early in the first will take advantage of the value left in the second. 

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I have questions about Humphrey. I'm only guessing but I think a lot of teams do. I see him being burnt deep in college....guys getting a step on him.

I wonder about how often that might have happened had he not had Allen, Williams, Tomlinson, Adams, etc in front of him. If quarterbacks had time.....

I think you might see others besides the ones you mentioned go before him. Douglas, Baker, Melinfonwu, Moreau.....could be wrong.

Oh I see all that about Humphrey but I could see a team that plays an aggressive zone system based on tackling take him - a team like Seattle or the falcons or patriots I imagine would find it hard to pass on him

i really worry about his man coverage skills and general ball skills but he has talents that I think teams at the end of the 1st would struggle to pass on

Edited March 15 by rossihunter2

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Humphrey would never ever make it past Seattle. He is there kind of corner.

I hope they fall in love with someone like teez so that other corners can fall further

[JoeyFlex5]

I can't take credit for watts hype train. Grim exposed me to watt first, I liked what little I saw from him but was concerned about his athleticism but when he crushed the combine I warmed up a lot. I'd take him at 16 with no problem. 

However... I don't see Humphrey at 48. He's probably top 20

[Edgar]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I can't take credit for watts hype train. Grim exposed me to watt first, I liked what little I saw from him but was concerned about his athleticism but when he crushed the combine I warmed up a lot. I'd take him at 16 with no problem. 

However... I don't see Humphrey at 48. He's probably top 20

I had definitely watched him. Simply never considered him for us in round one until recently.