Extended Brandon Williams

[berad]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Although, to be fair, in watching Wagner's rookie season, while there were positives, to think he could have anything near the type of season he did in 2014 after watching 2013 is asinine. I think the Ravens coaching staff played a MASSIVE role in his development and ability to even get to the point that he's making $48M in FA.  

He did credit Juan Castillo *gasp* for his development during his press conference in Detriot

[berad]

2 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Maybe Wagner just wanted to go back home. Notice how quick he signed.

He also mentioned that in his presser.

His hometown outside of Milwaukee is about a 6 hour drive, or a 1 hour flight from Detroit. Not as close as Chicago would have been, but I guess he can afford it now.

[BmoreBird22]

Matt Miller mentioned this signing as one of his top five or six favorite moves in the NFL from the early free agency moves.

[Willbacker]

4 minutes ago, berad said:

He also mentioned that in his presser.

His hometown outside of Milwaukee is about a 6 hour drive, or a 1 hour flight from Detroit. Not as close as Chicago would have been, but I guess he can afford it now.

Its just that I think these facts are overlooked sometimes. Theres life and family involved in decisions

[berad]

Just now, Willbacker said:

Its just that I think these facts are overlooked sometimes. Theres life and family involved in decisions

I agree - when you're almost literally tied to the facility from camp to January (or longer), that's many months away from family.

[Ravens4Real]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

 

Not only that, but how often do you see top pass rushers lined up on the center? Oh right, you don't.

If you are letting up sacks from up the middle, there was either a confusion on a blitz pickup or someone royally screwed up. 3.5 sacks allowed from a C is way too much.

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Have to have an offense to let it go.

what offense are you talking about that we let go?

 

[Edgar]

All things considered I'd be far more excited if we spent that money on Pryor.

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, berad said:

He also mentioned that in his presser.

His hometown outside of Milwaukee is about a 6 hour drive, or a 1 hour flight from Detroit. Not as close as Chicago would have been, but I guess he can afford it now.

Lol.  He could buy himself a nice small lear jet. 

[LayerSeven]

I approve of this resigning. Your master has spoken, you can all be quiet now! 

[Jonah DeVito]

4 hours ago, Corvus said:

Williams AND Jefferson both overpaid. But it is to be expected with them both in their prime and just the general nature of the league now. I'm fine with both contracts, both will be doing things to help the team that don't always show up in the stat sheet. Some of you act like you're the ones writing these checks...

Jefferson wasn't overpaid imo. He's something like the 6th highest paid safety. And he can ball. Williams, maybe by 1.5-2 million. But I'm not complaining about that honestly. 

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

20 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

lol wut they signed the best safety in the league last offseason 

LOL

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Cap hit is in. Only $6m I think. Lower than I expected. 

We still have lots a flexibility to add FA's. 

CB and C would be my priorities. Maybe Doom/Barwin on a cheap deal if either would take it. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 3/10/2017 at 2:00 PM, Tank 92 said:

6'6", 285 with that quickness?  It ain't just a pipedeream, dude could be a beast. 

And then there is this.

"Strengths

Has an honest father as a coach who has been up front about Bronsons weaknesses and what he needed to work on. Plays with the motor expected from a coachs son. Quality hand work and is able to redirect with them. Good back­side presence in running game and charges hard down the line of scrimmage. Comes out of his stance and into his pass rush with good pad level and forward lean. Never quits on plays and will pursue way down the field. Has a long frame that may be able to carry more muscle. Posted productive totals in most categories. Blocked a field goal and punt in 2015.

Weaknesses

Too easily caved in and washed down when blocked on angles. Tries to bend but pad level still ends up higher than he would like thanks to his height. Play strength is an area of concern. Thin legs lose their base when he is redirected with power. Tight-­hipped pass rusher that has a prolonged corner turn to the quarterback -- even on wins. Much of sack production came on extended plays or with effort over skill. Unable to generate consistent penetration when slanting into gaps. In 2014, lost weight and attempted to play outside linebacker but experiment was a failure.

Draft Projection

Rounds 4 or 5"

The article you mention does not state any of his weaknesses, which is actually literally weakness. He doesn't have elite upper body strength nor does he have strong lower legs. He has a high motor and is a gamer so that usually translates well. The thing is that for an interior lineman that plays in a 3-4 is it more important to run a better 40 time when taking off from a sprinting stance, or to be explosive off the ball? The numbers in that comparison show that the other player in question had a better vertical, broad jump, and 10 yard split.

That article also states he could be a first pick overall for Seattle and this NFL.com scouting report projects him as a 4th or 5th rounder. The Ravens then reached by that measuring stick by taking him in the third.

 

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

47 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

And then there is this.

"Strengths

Has an honest father as a coach who has been up front about Bronsons weaknesses and what he needed to work on. Plays with the motor expected from a coachs son. Quality hand work and is able to redirect with them. Good back­side presence in running game and charges hard down the line of scrimmage. Comes out of his stance and into his pass rush with good pad level and forward lean. Never quits on plays and will pursue way down the field. Has a long frame that may be able to carry more muscle. Posted productive totals in most categories. Blocked a field goal and punt in 2015.

Weaknesses

Too easily caved in and washed down when blocked on angles. Tries to bend but pad level still ends up higher than he would like thanks to his height. Play strength is an area of concern. Thin legs lose their base when he is redirected with power. Tight-­hipped pass rusher that has a prolonged corner turn to the quarterback -- even on wins. Much of sack production came on extended plays or with effort over skill. Unable to generate consistent penetration when slanting into gaps. In 2014, lost weight and attempted to play outside linebacker but experiment was a failure.

Draft Projection

Rounds 4 or 5"

The article you mention does not state any of his weaknesses, which is actually literally weakness. He doesn't have elite upper body strength nor does he have strong lower legs. He has a high motor and is a gamer so that usually translates well. The thing is that for an interior lineman that plays in a 3-4 is it more important to run a better 40 time when taking off from a sprinting stance, or to be explosive off the ball? The numbers in that comparison show that the other player in question had a better vertical, broad jump, and 10 yard split.

That article also states he could be a first pick overall for Seattle and this NFL.com scouting report projects him as a 4th or 5th rounder. The Ravens then reached by that measuring stick by taking him in the third.

 

 

 

Hi, I've watched his tape. He's a beast with very high upside. Inconsistent on his college tape? Sure. But when he was on, he was unblockable. People shouldn't take nfl network scouting reports as gospel. You should watch him for yourself, and then form your own opinions. Truthfully, I HATED it at first because I usually look at the scouting reports first, but still go back to the tape. 

 

I like Bronson a lot. He or Henry are both gonna be good pieces moving forward imo. Now, would it surprise me if we still drafted a dlinemen? Nope, Ozzie tends to draft one every year. It's actually a good strategy. 

 

It's correa I'm worried about. 

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Hi, I've watched his tape. He's a beast with very high upside. Inconsistent on his college tape? Sure. But when he was on, he was unblockable. People shouldn't take nfl network scouting reports as gospel. You should watch him for yourself, and then form your own opinions. Truthfully, I HATED it at first because I usually look at the scouting reports first, but still go back to the tape. 

 

I like Bronson a lot. He or Henry are both gonna be good pieces moving forward imo. Now, would it surprise me if we still drafted a dlinemen? Nope, Ozzie tends to draft one every year. It's actually a good strategy. 

 

It's correa I'm worried about. 

I think someone on the Seahawks forum (one of their beat writers) had mentioned the Seahawks liked him as a first round talent if not for his age.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think someone on the Seahawks forum (one of their beat writers) had mentioned the Seahawks liked him as a first round talent if not for his age.

I'm not surprised. He fits their defense like a glove and has freakish athleticism. He has the potential to be a very good dlineman at the NFL level. 

[allblackraven]

55 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think someone on the Seahawks forum (one of their beat writers) had mentioned the Seahawks liked him as a first round talent if not for his age.

That's true - I remember reading it (had Seattle in forum mock last year)

[Halshayeji]

On March 10, 2017 at 5:10 AM, jdynamite said:

Yeah I'm with you. We all love Williams but my gosh that's a lot for a NT. What are they gonna do if Jernigan has a Pro Bowl year next year. Let him walk a presume. 

It's simple, they find a way to keep Jernigan too. Williams doesn't play on most third downs.... Yeah his presence forces 3rd and longs and more 3 and outs than anyone!

People please, BWill is one of best NTs in football. He's definitely worth at least 10 mil a year. If your ever gonna overpay by a mil or 2, it's to keep a player like that. Mosley, Stanley, and maybe even jernigan are players you find a way to keep in their prime. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Hi, I've watched his tape. He's a beast with very high upside. Inconsistent on his college tape? Sure. But when he was on, he was unblockable. People shouldn't take nfl network scouting reports as gospel. You should watch him for yourself, and then form your own opinions. Truthfully, I HATED it at first because I usually look at the scouting reports first, but still go back to the tape. 

 

I like Bronson a lot. He or Henry are both gonna be good pieces moving forward imo. Now, would it surprise me if we still drafted a dlinemen? Nope, Ozzie tends to draft one every year. It's actually a good strategy. 

 

It's correa I'm worried about. 

And people shouldn't take a beat writer's opinion as gospel either.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

And people shouldn't take a beat writer's opinion as gospel either.

You're right. But I've watched his tape. That's my opinion, the writer just happens to share the same one. If you disagree, fine. But I disagree with the NFL Network scouting reports, which do get it wrong as frequently as they get it right. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

You're right. But I've watched his tape. That's my opinion, the writer just happens to share the same one. If you disagree, fine. But I disagree with the NFL Network scouting reports, which do get it wrong as frequently as they get it right. 

I think they get it right more often than a beat writer. He had the hawks taking him first round. The NFL scouting report had him going 4-5. He actually went third, so the NFL scouts were a lot closer on him than the beat writer.

Tape is fine for college. You have to remember he will be going up against more elite talent at the NFL level. The tape shows that when going up against guys stronger than him he gets redirected easily. That most of his production comes from his hustle than from talent/skills. Like I said before, you can't knock hustle and the will to track down plays from sideline to sideline and a relentless will can turn into production for sure.

The only way we will really know is if/when he's entirely healthy and going up against some NFL talent. I am excited to see what he can do but I am not ready to buy into him being something special. If he is that will be supremely awesome. But if he winds up as JAG (just another guy) that would not surprise me in the least.

Edited March 11 by EdTheMythicalOne

[RavensFanMania]

16 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

And people shouldn't take a beat writer's opinion as gospel either.

Ed, I've watched him his tape as well. He's very athletic, think he will do very well in Guys role. Better in time. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

12 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Ed, I've watched him his tape as well. He's very athletic, think he will do very well in Guys role. Better in time. 

Hope you guys are right, but I won't be holding my breath. If he takes off and becomes a beast in the NFL you all can be sure to tell me so, but you'll have to do it on another board unfortunately as this one might be gone by the time that happens.

What tape have you all actually watched though? His scouting highlights tape or have you actually watched him for every down of every game he's played? I doubt very sincerely it is the latter. Anyone can look good on highlights. What you really need to do is to see him on a down by down basis. Have you seen all the plays where he gets washed out by better/bigger/stronger talent?

Edited March 11 by EdTheMythicalOne

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Hope you guys are right, but I won't be holding my breath. If he takes off and becomes a beast in the NFL you all can be sure to tell me so, but you'll have to do it on another board unfortunately as this one might be gone by the time that happens.

What tape have you all actually watched though? His scouting highlights tape or have you actually watched him for every down of every game he's played? I doubt very sincerely it is the latter. Anyone can look good on highlights. What you really need to do is to see him on a down by down basis. Have you seen all the plays where he gets washed out by better/bigger/stronger talent?

When I say I've watched his tape, I'm not talking about highlights.  I'm talking gametape.  No, I can't say I've watched every game, but I watched enough to form a good opinion of him. I've seen his good plays and his bad plays.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, RavensFanMania said:

When I say I've watched his tape, I'm not talking about highlights.  I'm talking gametape.  No, I can't say I've watched every game, but I watched enough to form a good opinion of him. I've seen his good plays and his bad plays.

So are the reports correct about him on the negatives? That when matched up against superior strength/talent he doesn't have the ability to work out of it and he gets redirected out of the play? That most of his production comes from his relentless motor and not really from pure talent/moves/skills?

[The Raven]

4 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

So are the reports correct about him on the negatives? That when matched up against superior strength/talent he doesn't have the ability to work out of it and he gets redirected out of the play? That most of his production comes from his relentless motor and not really from pure talent/moves/skills?

From what I remember from his film, I feel like he got redirected due to bad footwork and poor leverage more so than a low strength level. He plays high. That's a problem. But it's an easier problem to solve than strength. 

I feel like a lot of his production came from his burst off the line, but it's also been nearly a year since I've seen his tape.

[RavensFanMania]

9 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

So are the reports correct about him on the negatives? That when matched up against superior strength/talent he doesn't have the ability to work out of it and he gets redirected out of the play? That most of his production comes from his relentless motor and not really from pure talent/moves/skills?

They are correct on both.  He's definitely got room for growth.  When you pick a player in the 3rd round you can't expect to be getting a finished product or else you are going to be disappointed every time.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

They are correct on both.  He's definitely got room for growth.  When you pick a player in the 3rd round you can't expect to be getting a finished product or else you are going to be disappointed every time.

Hopefully with a year spent recovering and another off season to get himself ready to go he can improve on the weaker spots of his game and we can see what he can really do on the field. I hope he becomes a monster. And of course when you're picking 3rd and 4th round you are hoping to get at least a quality depth player and if you get a starter it is a bonus. The Ravens have been pretty good and finding talent in these rounds in the past.

[RavensFanMania]

11 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Hopefully with a year spent recovering and another off season to get himself ready to go he can improve on the weaker spots of his game and we can see what he can really do on the field. I hope he becomes a monster. And of course when you're picking 3rd and 4th round you are hoping to get at least a quality depth player and if you get a starter it is a bonus. The Ravens have been pretty good and finding talent in these rounds in the past.

I agree and Yes they have, as they have a track record amongst the best in the league.