Ravens sign S Tony Jefferson

[Ravens4Real]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

They weren't last year, but they have been horrible more often than not during Jefferson's career and the only real corner help he's had consistently is Peterson and Peterson had a very huge down year not too long ago (2015?), so we talk about him getting all this help, but it was really only last year.

Jefferson has only started for 2 years. So in those two years they have been average one year and top of the league in the other. That's a pretty good pass rush if you ask me. 

And I wasn't commenting on Jeffersons lack of coverage skills to begin with. I was simply replying to the poster that said they have a horrible/pathetic pass rush. The stats prove other wise. If theirs is pathetic, I don't even want to hear the words used to describe ours last year.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Ravens4Real said:

Jefferson has only started for 2 years. So in those two years they have been average one year and top of the league in the other. That's a pretty good pass rush if you ask me. 

And I wasn't commenting on Jeffersons lack of coverage skills to begin with. I was simply replying to the poster that said they have a horrible/pathetic pass rush. The stats prove other wise. If theirs is pathetic, I don't even want to hear the words used to describe ours last year.

He actually started more games in '14 than '15 and has been a regular contributor for three years now.

I'd hardly say the Cardinals have had a consistently good pass rush for Jefferson's career in the desert. And I'd also say he's not totally surrounded by help in the secondary. 

I really don't understand knocking this move.

[Ravens4Real]

7 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

What pass rush does the Cardinals have???? LOL They were one of the worst teams at getting to the quarterback why do you think they traded for Chandler Jones and it is still pretty pathetic. 

Once again, I'm not commenting on Tony Jeffersons coverage skills and what help or non help he had at Arizona. I'm not sure what you don't understand about it.

I am responding to the post above. He said that Arizonas pass rush "is still pretty pathetic". They led the league in sacks. That's all I'm saying.

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

Once again, I'm not commenting on Tony Jeffersons coverage skills and what help or non help he had at Arizona. I'm not sure what you don't understand about it.

I am responding to the post above. He said that Arizonas pass rush "is still pretty pathetic". They led the league in sacks. That's all I'm saying.

Yes but if you watch the game most of those sacks are from good coverage not their front seven blowing up the league. In 2015 it was so bad it prevented the team from going far in the playoffs. The reason they got these sacks were the past two years were moreso because of Jefferson, Matthieu, and Peterson than anything.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

14 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

All short area throws with a fierce rush in Arizona. I guess I wouldn't despise him so much if our offense wasn't treated like a red headed stepchild.lol

So you don't like us signing a really good defensive player because.... offense?

What if they couldn't land any of the offensive players they wanted? Don't improve the defense bc you prefer fixing the offense?

 

Not saying the offense is good enough or that we shouldn't focus on it... but think about how many games that with a defensive stop late we wouldve won. 

2nd Pitt game, NYG, etc...

Improving is a good thing. Elite talent is a good thing. 

[Jonah DeVito]

13 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

4.75 40. 

He is literally one of the best safety's in the league when it comes to covering tight ends. Watch some film and do some research before talking about something you know nothing about. 

[PurpleCity5]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He actually started more games in '14 than '15 and has been a regular contributor for three years now.

I'd hardly say the Cardinals have had a consistently good pass rush for Jefferson's career in the desert. And I'd also say he's not totally surrounded by help in the secondary. 

I really don't understand knocking this move.

You're not getting a CB like a Stephon Gilmore or AJ Bouye, might as well go for the next best thing and that is a great safety. We need to surround this team with as much great talent in the secondary as possible if Jimmy were to go down to injury. 

[Jonah DeVito]

13 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Because not all of us are fans submitting and applauding every move the front office makes. And convince ourselves everything management does is the best move it could have made. I'm comfortable with my stance. You are the one that can't handle opinions. Does it really bother you that some of us think it is a bad signing? And feel like money could have went somewhere else. 90% of this board didn't want to  pay a one dimensional NT $8mil let alone $11mil. But now applauding it saying it is a great move. Some people get all pumped at every move. Smh

Can you read my post before going on a rant that has basically nothing to do with it. 

[Tyler]

Yeah let's hate the guy because of his 40 time. Did y'all hate that future ring of honor linebacker from Arizona State bc of his 40 time? How about that Wide receiver from Florida State that did pretty well here? His 40 time was atrocious. Smdh, I'm really excited about Jefferson, like Orr, he's one of those UDFA with a burning passion for the game and the hunger to improve his craft. To think he just turned 25 too.... he can be a special player for this defense. 

[arnie_uk]

Can be man up on brandin cooks or edelman or gronk in the slot?

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

6 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Can be man up on brandin cooks or edelman or gronk in the slot?

Definitely not Cooks or Edelman but maybe gronk.

[ravensdan]

On March 9, 2017 at 8:40 PM, trevorsteadman said:

Not really they had over $100 million dollars in cap space and they earned a 2nd round pick. The cap rolls over and chances are they will have plenty to roll over into the next season as well. 

How does that justify throwing away 16 mil?  They could have spent that money to build around any number of up and coming players. Not to mention Brock is better than anyone they have. And they aren't getting Garolpollo. Horrible decision. Texans lucked out. 

[terps85]

11 hours ago, arnie_uk said:

Can be man up on brandin cooks or edelman or gronk in the slot?

Can any safety?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 hours ago, ravensdan said:

How does that justify throwing away 16 mil?  They could have spent that money to build around any number of up and coming players. Not to mention Brock is better than anyone they have. And they aren't getting Garolpollo. Horrible decision. Texans lucked out. 

The Browns quite simply had money to burn and they have to spend the required minimum money. They essentially bought a 2nd round draft pick that could either turn into a pick or a piece of a negotiation for another trade. I agree that it was ultimately stupid to trade for a guy and a pick and give up tons of money for a player you never intend to keep and essentially broadcast to the world that they will cut if they can't trade him by a certain date. Who in the world would trade for him when they know he'll get cut? It is just like the Tony Romo situation. The Cowboys want to trade him. Ain't no way some team will be stupid enough to offer them anything for Romo when they know they can sign him to a free agent deal when he gets cut....unless Romo wants to play for the Browns

I seriously think the Texans made out on this deal. They got an albatross contract off of their books for a second round pick a year from now. Now they have money freed up to make some moves.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, ravensdan said:

How does that justify throwing away 16 mil?  They could have spent that money to build around any number of up and coming players. Not to mention Brock is better than anyone they have. And they aren't getting Garolpollo. Horrible decision. Texans lucked out. 

They wouldn't have used up that cap space if they were making haynesworth deals, they eat his whole cap hit in one year that they were gonna suck anyway, by cutting him they guarantee that they pay no future ramifications of his cap figure. Eat it all in a down year, get a 2nd round pick, let that unused cap and the cleared cap from Brock roll over and they have all that cap space back and a shiny 2nd rounder. 

Theyre thinking big picture here, they have the future in mind and aren't worried about winning in 2017, and rightfully so, because they don't stand a chance.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

The Browns quite simply had money to burn and they have to spend the required minimum money. They essentially bought a 2nd round draft pick that could either turn into a pick or a piece of a negotiation for another trade. I agree that it was ultimately stupid to trade for a guy and a pick and give up tons of money for a player you never intend to keep and essentially broadcast to the world that they will cut if they can't trade him by a certain date. Who in the world would trade for him when they know he'll get cut? It is just like the Tony Romo situation. The Cowboys want to trade him. Ain't no way some team will be stupid enough to offer them anything for Romo when they know they can sign him to a free agent deal when he gets cut....unless Romo wants to play for the Browns

I seriously think the Texans made out on this deal. They got an albatross contract off of their books for a second round pick a year from now. Now they have money freed up to make some moves.

The difference between Romo and the Brock situation is that not only does everyone know the Boys will release Romo, he'll also be cheaper on a FA deal then he likely would be on his current deal. 

Right now Brock would only cost a team $8m cap hit in a trade with no future guaranteed money. If they wait for him to be released he likely won't be that cheap in year 1 and might require future guaranteed money. 

I know his stock is down but Glennon just got $15m and multiple years. Brock wouldn't cost that much but prob no less than the $8m he'd cost in a trade. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

34 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The difference between Romo and the Brock situation is that not only does everyone know the Boys will release Romo, he'll also be cheaper on a FA deal then he likely would be on his current deal. 

Right now Brock would only cost a team $8m cap hit in a trade with no future guaranteed money. If they wait for him to be released he likely won't be that cheap in year 1 and might require future guaranteed money. 

I know his stock is down but Glennon just got $15m and multiple years. Brock wouldn't cost that much but prob no less than the $8m he'd cost in a trade. 

On the other hand with Brock Osweiler is that the Browns reportedly want a 3rd round pick for him. So then the question becomes this:

If; and that might be a pretty big if, a team is interested in Osweiler as a starter how much do they value that 3rd round pick over the money they might save in trading for him as opposed to what it would take to get him on a FA deal? I actually don't pretend to know what Brock's market would bear but I can't imagine teams leaping over each other to pay him big money on another long term contract. I mean Cleveland virtually has nothing at QB and they don't even want him in their QB competition or even as a backup. The reason why Glennon got his deal is because the team that inked him thinks he's capable of being a starter again. Brock got his chance and blew it so he's back to the "prove it" stage.

How about that Tony Jefferson though? It was exciting reading his comments. He just oozes confidence not only in himself, but in Eric Weddle. I liked that he said, "...we can do anything."

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

27 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

On the other hand with Brock Osweiler is that the Browns reportedly want a 3rd round pick for him. So then the question becomes this:

If; and that might be a pretty big if, a team is interested in Osweiler as a starter how much do they value that 3rd round pick over the money they might save in trading for him as opposed to what it would take to get him on a FA deal? I actually don't pretend to know what Brock's market would bear but I can't imagine teams leaping over each other to pay him big money on another long term contract. I mean Cleveland virtually has nothing at QB and they don't even want him in their QB competition or even as a backup. The reason why Glennon got his deal is because the team that inked him thinks he's capable of being a starter again. Brock got his chance and blew it so he's back to the "prove it" stage.

How about that Tony Jefferson though? It was exciting reading his comments. He just oozes confidence not only in himself, but in Eric Weddle. I liked that he said, "...we can do anything."

 

I'm pumped for Jefferson. 

Just seems like an all around good guy with infectious personality, confidence and charisma. 

And the fact that he got choked up when thanking the Ravens for this opportunity... when he turned down more money elsewhere -- its obvious he WANTS to be here. 

Cant wait to see him and Weddle on the back end together. 

[Static]

I hope Jefferson is able to kill the dink and dunk that has killed us for years

[The Raven]

4 hours ago, Static said:

I hope Jefferson is able to kill the dink and dunk that has killed us for years

I do think that's the kind of thing he'll be able to help with. For years, we've needed DBs with better pursuit and tackle skills. The dink and dunk kills us because we don't break, pursue, and tackle effectively.

I'm tellin y'all... we got a taste of it last year, but Pees' defense is legit if you have guys that do the fundamentals. If you pursue and tackle well, a zone heavy defense can be suffocating. We get better tacklers in the secondary and look out.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

8 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I do think that's the kind of thing he'll be able to help with. For years, we've needed DBs with better pursuit and tackle skills. The dink and dunk kills us because we don't break, pursue, and tackle effectively.

I'm tellin y'all... we got a taste of it last year, but Pees' defense is legit if you have guys that do the fundamentals. If you pursue and tackle well, a zone heavy defense can be suffocating. We get better tacklers in the secondary and look out.

Another problem was with how easily our guys simply fell down in coverage. Not being pushed down, but actually just falling over trying to maintain coverage. Then there were the blown assignments again. Didn't see as much of that this year as the previous couple, but the were still very costly...especially the one that Elam got burned for and Weddle tried to chase down after he realized Elam blew it.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Another problem was with how easily our guys simply fell down in coverage. Not being pushed down, but actually just falling over trying to maintain coverage. Then there were the blown assignments again. Didn't see as much of that this year as the previous couple, but the were still very costly...especially the one that Elam got burned for and Weddle tried to chase down after he realized Elam blew it.

weddle blew that one though.

 

[Static]

RSR says he will help us cover TEs and keep the running game to a minimum.

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/03/12/filmstudy/tony-jefferson-2016-review/

[BmoreBird22]

A Bleacher Report writer ranked this as his top move of the offseason out of 136 signings so far.

[The Raven]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

A Bleacher Report writer ranked this as his top move of the offseason out of 136 signings so far.

I haven't put much thought into how we'll use him, but from the sounds of things (and as I just said in the other thread), it sounds like this guy could be the prototype "dimebacker," filling the role we probably envisioned for Elam and used Levine for.

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, The Raven said:

I haven't put much thought into how we'll use him, but from the sounds of things (and as I just said in the other thread), it sounds like this guy could be the prototype "dimebacker," filling the role we probably envisioned for Elam and used Levine for.

I love the move to have a sure tackler underneath to take away the short routes that have burned the Ravens due to poor tackling and pursuit. 

[Filmstudy]

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

I haven't put much thought into how we'll use him, but from the sounds of things (and as I just said in the other thread), it sounds like this guy could be the prototype "dimebacker," filling the role we probably envisioned for Elam and used Levine for.

That's a great spot for Jefferson, who also could play deep some in 4/5-DB alignments.  The problem is, Pees has used the dime just 148 snaps in his 5 year tenure.  49 of those came last season, but that's misleading, because 47 of those came with Mosley injured (and there was no other choice).  

He covers TEs man-to-man extremely well, including some big men in the games I watched and he switched well in zone underneath.  

Here is my piece on his play:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/03/12/filmstudy/tony-jefferson-2016-review/

I invite you to review my notes and the coaches film, but he's not special as a deep safety, because he's not particularly instinctive, nor does he read the QB particularly well (I contend this is probably the biggest reason why his career PD and INT totals are so low).  He does extremely well with defined man and zone reponsibilities.

Edited March 13 by Filmstudy

[The Raven]

29 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

That's a great spot for Jefferson, who also could play deep some in 4/5-DB alignments.  The problem is, Pees has used the dime just 148 snaps in his 5 year tenure.  49 of those came last season, but that's misleading, because 47 of those came with Mosley injured (and there was no other choice).  

He covers TEs man-to-man extremely well, including some big men in the games I watched and he switched well in zone underneath.  

Here is my piece on his play:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2017/03/12/filmstudy/tony-jefferson-2016-review/

I invite you to review my notes and the coaches film, but he's not special as a deep safety, because he's not particularly instinctive, nor does he read the QB particularly well (I contend this is probably the biggest reason why his career PD and INT totals are so low).  He does extremely well with defined man and zone reponsibilities.

Your piece is actually what got me thinking on this. I thought it, like much of your work, was solid analysis.

[Filmstudy]

23 hours ago, Tru11 said:

weddle blew that one though.

 

The TD by Hogan (who blew by Elam) was actually a misalignment by Webb.  Weddle fell on the sword for biting on a fake, but the real problem was the Ravens had 2 corners (Wright and Webb) lined up on the outside left receiver.  That's Wright's responsibility, so Webb (who was moved to play SCB in the game due to ineffectiveness of Powers) should have been on the slot right (Hogan).  Elam attempted to compensate by lining up halfway between SCB and safety, but that did not work as we saw.  Harbaugh kept the matter internal by imply saying words to the effect "We don't need to go into it, but that wasn't Elam's fault."

It's painfully obvious from the top view on Game Pass that Webb was the guy out of position.  

Funny but sad story...Powers had played sooooo badly that game and against Tyler Boyd of Cincinnati that Webb replaced him at SCB.  We score the positioning in the secondary during the game to simplify work afterwards.  When Webb replaced Powers, I was so excited, I Tweeted the following about the move.  Surprising that it was Webb and not Elam that made the blunder.

Ken McKusick

@FilmstudyRavens

The #Ravens and Pees just made the change that may win tis game. Webb to SCB and Elam to S. Much better coverage of slot.

 

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[Tru11]

2 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

The TD by Hogan (who blew by Elam) was actually a misalignment by Webb.  Weddle fell on the sword for biting on a fake, but the real problem was the Ravens had 2 corners (Wright and Webb) lined up on the outside left receiver.  That's Wright's responsibility, so Webb (who was moved to play SCB in the game due to ineffectiveness of Powers) should have been on the slot right (Hogan).  Elam attempted to compensate by lining up halfway between SCB and safety, but that did not work as we saw.  Harbaugh kept the matter internal by imply saying words to the effect "We don't need to go into it, but that wasn't Elam's fault."

It's painfully obvious from the top view on Game Pass that Webb was the guy out of position.  

Funny but sad story...Powers had played sooooo badly that game and against Tyler Boyd of Cincinnati that Webb replaced him at SCB.  We score the positioning in the secondary during the game to simplify work afterwards.  When Webb replaced Powers, I was so excited, I Tweeted the following about the move.  Surprising that it was Webb and not Elam that made the blunder.

Ken McKusick

@FilmstudyRavens

The #Ravens and Pees just made the change that may win tis game. Webb to SCB and Elam to S. Much better coverage of slot.

 

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not really though.
it was cover 3 and weddle was responsible for the deep middle.

young was lined up on mitchell with elam on hogan on 1 side with webb on edelman on the opposite site.
Wright was deep on webb side while Weddle was line up as the deep safety over the middle about 14 yards from LOS.

after the snap young dropped deep letting mitchell go over the middle while webb pressed edelman before passing him on to wright.
Weddle bit on the fake and the rest is history.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1TP5qF5IN4

at the 50 second mark you will get the best view of where everybody was standing and if you play it from there , you will clearly see young dropping into his deep zone letting his receiver loose and same goes for webb who after pressing edelman drop in his zone and look at brady.

doubt it was a misalignment by webb as he was the only guy in press coverage lol

if weddle does note bite on the fake then this play wont happen.

Edited March 13 by Tru11