[News] Late For Work 3/8: What's Next For Ravens In Free Agency? More Moves Likely On The Way

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"Report: 49ers expected to sign former Redskins WR Pierre Garcon"
"The San Francisco 49ers have the second-most cap space in the NFL, and they’ve not going to be shy about using it. According to ESPN and multiple reports, they’re working toward signing wide receiver Pierre Garcon to a deal that would pay him $16 million in his first year with the team."

Case closed. Even if they don't sign him, we can't come anywhere close to that number so someone else will.

Like I said...look to Aiken if he is even willing to stick around. He will be a lot cheaper than Marshall and Garcon and more than capable of doing the job.

Just to clarify... he's not going to have a $16M cap number in year. The $16M is how much he will get paid.

Likely means a large signing bonus.

By comparison, in 2013 when Joe signed his first mega contract, we paid him $30M in his first year (a $29M signing bonus and a $1M salary), and his cap number was merely $6.8M that year.

Joe made $29M last year from us as well, despite a cap number of $22.55M.

I would actually bet that Garcon's cap number for 2017 will be around $10M or maybe a little less. They could in theory front load the crap out of it, given the cap space they have, but I would be stunned if they take all of that impact in the first year.

[mmcclend]

Crazy. We can keep free agents. We can't keep a forum. Lol soon we are gonna lose the team. Jk

[bigcatfrank1]

I figured Garcon would be too expensive for the Ravens, no way he is worth more than 8 mil a year. I expect Wallace to get as many yards as Garcon this year.

If the Giants pay Marshal 6 mil a year that is a reasonable price, His past may be just too much for the Ravens. There are still good receivers available to fill the #2-3 veteran spot for the Ravens, B. LaFell, K. Stills, T. Ginn, Kendall Wright to name several reasonable look see.

I like all of them as much as Torrey, I just don't know about bringing back the past. We need a position receiver not competition for Perriman and Wallace.

[rmcjacket23]

I figured Garcon would be too expensive for the Ravens, no way he is worth more than 8 mil a year. I expect Wallace to get as many yards as Garcon this year.

If the Giants pay Marshal 6 mil a year that is a reasonable price, His past may be just too much for the Ravens. There are still good receivers available to fill the #2-3 veteran spot for the Ravens, B. LaFell, K. Stills, T. Ginn, Kendall Wright to name several reasonable look see.

I like all of them as much as Torrey, I just don't know about bringing back the past. We need a position receiver not competition for Perriman and Wallace.

If you're looking for a possession receiver, half of the guys you listed won't work.

In particular, Stills is a deep threat who is allegedly looking at a price tag in excess of $10M per year, so he won't be on our radar.

[bigcatfrank1]

  3 hours ago, ngatathroughstreet said:

Call me crazy but I wouldn't be too mad if Hurst played RT next year... he had some decent games at LT when Monroe was out and would benefit from having Yanda next to him.

This feels like another down year but we should have plenty of comp picks and a top half selection next year.

Crazy, but maybe like a fox.

Hurst is a solid LT and OL back-up and 2nd line player. He is not the starting RT that the Ravens will need, however Nembot could be.

With Wagner on the move, I still think the Ravens should cut ties with Zuttah.
A stronger Center will help this team tremendously.
Get the best Rookie Center available in the draft, ( Elflien) sandwich him between Yanda and Lewis with the 2 big guys Stanley and Nembot on the outside I think the Ravens have a great O-line. If the Rookie has trouble you have Jensen and Urschel who need to be ready to step in and take the job.

This is a very affordable and reasonable way to make this Offense young and competent.
Spend the money on a solid running back to take the pressure off of the passing game.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, Raven1995 said:

  4 hours ago, ngatathroughstreet said:

Call me crazy but I wouldn't be too mad if Hurst played RT next year... he had some decent games at LT when Monroe was out and would benefit from having Yanda next to him.

This feels like another down year but we should have plenty of comp picks and a top half selection next year.

Crazy, but maybe like a fox.

Hurst is a solid LT and OL back-up and 2nd line player. He is not the starting RT that the Ravens will need, however Nembot could be.

With Wagner on the move, I still think the Ravens should cut ties with Zuttah.
A stronger Center will help this team tremendously.
Get the best Rookie Center available in the draft, ( Elflien) sandwich him between Yanda and Lewis with the 2 big guys Stanley and Nembot on the outside I think the Ravens have a great O-line. If the Rookie has trouble you have Jensen and Urschel who need to be ready to step in and take the job.

This is a very affordable and reasonable way to make this Offense young and competent.
Spend the money on a solid running back to take the pressure off of the passing game.

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

[Cawtious]

1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Hurst is a solid LT and OL back-up and 2nd line player. He is not the starting RT that the Ravens will need, however Nembot could be.

With Wagner on the move, I still think the Ravens should cut ties with Zuttah.
A stronger Center will help this team tremendously.
Get the best Rookie Center available in the draft, ( Elflien) sandwich him between Yanda and Lewis with the 2 big guys Stanley and Nembot on the outside I think the Ravens have a great O-line. If the Rookie has trouble you have Jensen and Urschel who need to be ready to step in and take the job.

 

Not gonna pay Jensen 1.8 to be a back-up.  Draft a Center in the 5th or 6th.  See if the rook can beat him out.  I wouldn't draft a C high in the draft.  We need a corner or a WR with our first pick. 

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  1 hour ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Hurst is a solid LT and OL back-up and 2nd line player. He is not the starting RT that the Ravens will need, however Nembot could be.

With Wagner on the move, I still think the Ravens should cut ties with Zuttah.
A stronger Center will help this team tremendously.
Get the best Rookie Center available in the draft, ( Elflien) sandwich him between Yanda and Lewis with the 2 big guys Stanley and Nembot on the outside I think the Ravens have a great O-line. If the Rookie has trouble you have Jensen and Urschel who need to be ready to step in and take the job.

 

Not gonna pay Jensen 1.8 to be a back-up.  Draft a Center in the 5th or 6th.  See if the rook can beat him out.  I wouldn't draft a C high in the draft.  We need a corner or a WR with our first pick. 

The majority of your players making less than $2M are going to be role players or backups.

The only starting caliber players playing for that little are almost always players on rookie deals.

[rossihunter2]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

The majority of your players making less than $2M are going to be role players or backups.

The only starting caliber players playing for that little are almost always players on rookie deals.

and in most cases its only roughly $1m more than the vet minimum anyway

[Grapple Raven]

2 hours ago, mmcclend said:

Crazy. We can keep free agents. We can't keep a forum. Lol soon we are gonna lose the team. Jk

Just an FYI:  The website will still stay up and our posters will still have the ability to comment on the articles. It is just the "Forum" side of the website that will no longer be in operation.

[zing21042]

  3 hours ago, zing21042 said:

"Report: 49ers expected to sign former Redskins WR Pierre Garcon"
"The San Francisco 49ers have the second-most cap space in the NFL, and they’ve not going to be shy about using it. According to ESPN and multiple reports, they’re working toward signing wide receiver Pierre Garcon to a deal that would pay him $16 million in his first year with the team."

Case closed. Even if they don't sign him, we can't come anywhere close to that number so someone else will.

Like I said...look to Aiken if he is even willing to stick around. He will be a lot cheaper than Marshall and Garcon and more than capable of doing the job.

Just to clarify... he's not going to have a $16M cap number in year. The $16M is how much he will get paid.

Likely means a large signing bonus.

By comparison, in 2013 when Joe signed his first mega contract, we paid him $30M in his first year (a $29M signing bonus and a $1M salary), and his cap number was merely $6.8M that year.

Joe made $29M last year from us as well, despite a cap number of $22.55M.

I would actually bet that Garcon's cap number for 2017 will be around $10M or maybe a little less. They could in theory front load the crap out of it, given the cap space they have, but I would be stunned if they take all of that impact in the first year.

You say either I say "eye-ther". The Ravens could ill-afford either (eye-ther) price.

[MadStorkSociety]

  6 hours ago, mmcclend said:

Crazy. We can keep free agents. We can't keep a forum. Lol soon we are gonna lose the team. Jk

Just an FYI:  The website will still stay up and our posters will still have the ability to comment on the articles. It is just the "Forum" side of the website that will no longer be in operation.

Glad we can still comment on articles. But where will we spill our vitriol during actual games?

[sizzlingdoom]

I figured Garcon would be too expensive for the Ravens, no way he is worth more than 8 mil a year. I expect Wallace to get as many yards as Garcon this year.

If the Giants pay Marshal 6 mil a year that is a reasonable price, His past may be just too much for the Ravens. There are still good receivers available to fill the #2-3 veteran spot for the Ravens, B. LaFell, K. Stills, T. Ginn, Kendall Wright to name several reasonable look see.

I like all of them as much as Torrey, I just don't know about bringing back the past. We need a position receiver not competition for Perriman and Wallace.

You're right. We need a guy for third downs and the Red Zone. I would hate any of those guys except Wright, but he's not a red zone guy. Not much left now. Weak wr FA market for what we're looking for. Marshall would've been great. Should've traded for him. Pryor would be awesome. We'll see though. Maybe Ju Ju in the 2nd round

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  19 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  19 hours ago, zing21042 said:

"Report: 49ers expected to sign former Redskins WR Pierre Garcon"
"The San Francisco 49ers have the second-most cap space in the NFL, and they’ve not going to be shy about using it. According to ESPN and multiple reports, they’re working toward signing wide receiver Pierre Garcon to a deal that would pay him $16 million in his first year with the team."

Case closed. Even if they don't sign him, we can't come anywhere close to that number so someone else will.

Like I said...look to Aiken if he is even willing to stick around. He will be a lot cheaper than Marshall and Garcon and more than capable of doing the job.

Just to clarify... he's not going to have a $16M cap number in year. The $16M is how much he will get paid.

Likely means a large signing bonus.

By comparison, in 2013 when Joe signed his first mega contract, we paid him $30M in his first year (a $29M signing bonus and a $1M salary), and his cap number was merely $6.8M that year.

Joe made $29M last year from us as well, despite a cap number of $22.55M.

I would actually bet that Garcon's cap number for 2017 will be around $10M or maybe a little less. They could in theory front load the crap out of it, given the cap space they have, but I would be stunned if they take all of that impact in the first year.

You say either I say "eye-ther". The Ravens could ill-afford either (eye-ther) price.

Well, you simply don't know that at this point.

Given that we appear to be signing Tony Jefferson, my guess is that his first year cap impact wouldn't be a lot different than Garcon's... if we wanted it to be.

We could afford to sign somebody who costs $15M against the 2017 cap if we wanted to. Its just a matter of how many players do we have to cut and how many contracts we have to restructure to do it.

[January J]

18 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

Surprised me too....

[huntrgathrr]

  20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

Surprised me too....

It is becoming very clear and even simple....we need 2 top level OL to play with Stanley and Yanda assuming we sign Mangold.
If Flacco doesn't take a pay cut then release him and go with Mallet.
If they lose Williams then they won't finish with a winning record and that should end the Harbaugh era.
They need a beast to play with Mosely in the middle. They need 3-4 OLBs that stop the run and rush the passer. Overall they need 4-5 guys in the front seven presuming that Kausi and Correia are the busts they proved to be in year one. Dumervil, Webb, Suggs and the china doll (Jimmy Smith) are of no exceptional value to the team and should be traded or released
Signing Jeffferson was a step n the right direction

[rmcjacket23]

  20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

Surprised me too....

Well, in defense, Woodhead is loosely described as a RB in my eyes.

We likely wouldn't see him actually running the football very often.

[rmcjacket23]

  2 hours ago, January J said:

  20 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

Surprised me too....

It is becoming very clear and even simple....we need 2 top level OL to play with Stanley and Yanda assuming we sign Mangold.
If Flacco doesn't take a pay cut then release him and go with Mallet.
If they lose Williams then they won't finish with a winning record and that should end the Harbaugh era.
They need a beast to play with Mosely in the middle. They need 3-4 OLBs that stop the run and rush the passer. Overall they need 4-5 guys in the front seven presuming that Kausi and Correia are the busts they proved to be in year one. Dumervil, Webb, Suggs and the china doll (Jimmy Smith) are of no exceptional value to the team and should be traded or released
Signing Jeffferson was a step n the right direction

Ugh, where to begin...

1. We're not releasing Flacco nor could we release Flacco. He costs more to cut/trade than he does to keep. No point in mentioning anything even remotely resembling him playing elsewhere.

2. Losing a run stopping NT has never stopped a team from winning.

3. You're over exaggerating the needs by a wide margin (obviously).

[Crusader]

You lose your right tackle to help you run and you go get a old 32 year old running back... BRILLIANT.

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, Crusader said:

You lose your right tackle to help you run and you go get a old 32 year old running back... BRILLIANT.

more like a slot receiver/scat back/3rd down back 

[January J]

5 hours ago, huntrgathrr said:

It is becoming very clear and even simple....we need 2 top level OL to play with Stanley and Yanda assuming we sign Mangold.
If Flacco doesn't take a pay cut then release him and go with Mallet.
If they lose Williams then they won't finish with a winning record and that should end the Harbaugh era.
They need a beast to play with Mosely in the middle. They need 3-4 OLBs that stop the run and rush the passer. Overall they need 4-5 guys in the front seven presuming that Kausi and Correia are the busts they proved to be in year one. Dumervil, Webb, Suggs and the china doll (Jimmy Smith) are of no exceptional value to the team and should be traded or released
Signing Jeffferson was a step n the right direction

Not what I was reffering to.

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, in defense, Woodhead is loosely described as a RB in my eyes.

We likely wouldn't see him actually running the football very often.

True..

[rmcjacket23]

You lose your right tackle to help you run and you go get a old 32 year old running back... BRILLIANT.

That's what you do when you're starting RB gets suspended...

So, yes, brilliant.

[bigcatfrank1]

  On 3/8/2017 at 2:10 PM, bigcatfrank1 said:

  On 3/8/2017 at 1:12 PM, Raven1995 said:

  On 3/8/2017 at 10:27 AM, ngatathroughstreet said:

Call me crazy but I wouldn't be too mad if Hurst played RT next year... he had some decent games at LT when Monroe was out and would benefit from having Yanda next to him.

This feels like another down year but we should have plenty of comp picks and a top half selection next year.

Crazy, but maybe like a fox.

Hurst is a solid LT and OL back-up and 2nd line player. He is not the starting RT that the Ravens will need, however Nembot could be.

With Wagner on the move, I still think the Ravens should cut ties with Zuttah.
A stronger Center will help this team tremendously.
Get the best Rookie Center available in the draft, ( Elflien) sandwich him between Yanda and Lewis with the 2 big guys Stanley and Nembot on the outside I think the Ravens have a great O-line. If the Rookie has trouble you have Jensen and Urschel who need to be ready to step in and take the job.

This is a very affordable and reasonable way to make this Offense young and competent.
Spend the money on a solid running back to take the pressure off of the passing game.

1. Hurst is definitely not a solid LT. He's one of the worst backup LTs in the league, and frankly, I'm not even sure if he's on the roster as a LT anymore, given that last year the Ravens chose to play Lewis (a rookie) at LT when Stanley was hurt, instead of Hurst.

I think he's competing as a backup RT at this point, and its a complete coin flip as to whether or not he makes the roster at all. I suppose if we bring in literally nobody, he could compete for the starting RT gig, but I think he gets beat out by just about any mid-round draft pick at this point, which I suspect is the route we are going to go.

2. We're not signing a veteran RB. We have youth and depth at RB, and we like the guys we have. Most expect Dixon to take over the feature back role this season, with West as the complement.

We MIGHT consider drafting somebody, depending on how the board shakes out, but I see no reason on Earth to sign a veteran RB in FA. I don't see what value they'd bring to the team.

Hurst is a solid Tackle back up, I didn't say great. Yes he struggled 2 years ago trying to fill LT however he improved in play last year on the right side and has a year under his belt.

Like I said he is not a starter.

Guess you were wrong about the RB, Now with Dixon's bone head move its that more important but you will disagree with me even more now when I say go get Latavius Murray. The Ravens need a downhill RB, not 2 projects. West is not a #1.

Draft may be a wise decision however, only as PS reserve and to learn the system.