[News] 2017 Ravens Free Agency Rumor Mill

[bioLarzen]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

  2 hours ago, cobrajet said:

True, but hopefully we address Center in this draft and not with an undersized one like Gradkowski.

Pocic will probably be available in the second round, Elflein may even last for round#3... Both could work out.
That said, we still have obvious roster holes at CB, RT and rusher. That would make it seem probable that these are the positions Ozzie will address with the first 3 picks. So, I would think Elflein is a lieklier possibility than Pocic.

And of course, all this comes from a simple fan with little info - one who said yesterday that it's self-deception to think we have a chance to land Jefferson

Don't feel bad I did not think we could land Jefferson and I thought for sure Williams would be the first gone and there are rumors that we may be able to keep him. I never had a thought of that happening.

Haha, I'm ready to own up my words, even if if they make me seem like a clueless idiot in restrospect :)

[ravens4life86]

Id really be jacked if B.Williams signing came down today, other then that I know its not sexy but I would love Ozzie to pick up a impact oline guy Mangold, Tj Lang etc. Dramatically boost our oline. Im not against claiborne on the cheap or another wr

[bioLarzen]

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation :D

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL :)

[Crusader]

  22 hours ago, Crusader said:

8-8? That"s if a couple of teams get lost going to the stadium and don't show up.

there's no point you watching next year then if you already know what's going to happen...

You don't have to believe me just watch where they are predicted to finish by the professionals.

[Smoke0121]

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation :D

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL :)

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

[rmcjacket23]

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

Signing Claiborne obviously wouldn't stop us from drafting a corner. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Even if all we do is draft a corner, that basically gives you Jimmy, Young (who is better in the slot) and a rookie.

Not exactly the depth we are looking for, especially when you're #1 corner misses time often.

When it comes to Corner, you're probably looking at a cheap veteran signing AND a decent draft pick, not OR a decent draft pick.

They do have something do with each other. It means we have don't sign a FA Cb whose price is high due to demand. And we can draft two CBs. One oft injured cb to alleviate another oft injured cb is not a plan.

And those FA cbs have worked out recently.

1. We have no clue what Claiborne's price is. So far, there's been very little discussion of him at all in FA, which means he's highly unlikely to be part of the first wave of higher paid players. You're just guessing that his price would be high.

2. We could still draft two corners if we signed him... again, that stops nothing from happening in the draft.

You're also probably highly unlikely to sign a corner who doesn't get injured or draft a corner who won't get injured, because, frankly, corners get injured a lot. You can go back and look at the history of our franchise and you'll see a lot of corners that have been injured multiple times.

You're right, those FA CBs haven't worked out recently. And neither have the draft picks.

Its the hardest position in the league in my opinion to evaluate and get your money's worth out of, save for maybe QB.

You're gambling in either scenario.

[rmcjacket23]

  22 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  22 hours ago, Crusader said:

8-8? That"s if a couple of teams get lost going to the stadium and don't show up.

there's no point you watching next year then if you already know what's going to happen...

You don't have to believe me just watch where they are predicted to finish by the professionals.

And those professionals whiff on said predictions A LOT.

That's why people don't watch what they say.

[Smoke0121]

Emotional connection aside, we're much better off with Wallace than Torrey Smith for one prime reason: Wallace used to be a burner who left his original team for a big payday, which didn't pan out. Then ended up with another team who couldn't use him properly, only to make him available to the Ravens with no baggage and a lot to prove.

Torrey is on a similar track now, and don't be surprised if the Eagles are to him as the Vikings were to Wallace. If Torrey was so concerned about his connection with Joe, and the community, he would have stayed. he made is his choice.

...in other news, I'm calling it now. Regardless of what we do in free agency and the draft, the best offensive weapon this year will be Breshad Perriman. Watch...

[rossihunter2]

11 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL

 

5 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

he wont play for them - hell probably be cut pretty soon - they literally just paid to get a 2nd round pick which is kind of clever...

[Smoke0121]

  13 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL

 

  8 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

he wont play for them - hell probably be cut pretty soon - they literally just paid to get a 2nd round pick which is kind of clever...

But at what price? the $16 million owed to Osweiler? Would they still be on the hook for his salary? If so, they merely inherited Houston's Horses rearery.

[rossihunter2]

Just now, Smoke0121 said:

But at what price? the $16 million owed to Osweiler? Would they still be on the hook for his salary? If so, they merely inherited Houston's Horses rearery.

no the most it will cost them is 8mill - which given how much cap space they have is probably worth it

[bioLarzen]

  17 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL

 

  11 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

he wont play for them - hell probably be cut pretty soon - they literally just paid to get a 2nd round pick which is kind of clever...

Yep.
They've got 26 picks the next two drafts... and, being the Browns, I guess they'll blow most of them :D

[bioLarzen]

  5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

  17 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL

 

  11 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

he wont play for them - hell probably be cut pretty soon - they literally just paid to get a 2nd round pick which is kind of clever...

But at what price? the $16 million owed to Osweiler? Would they still be on the hook for his salary? If so, they merely inherited Houston's Horses rearery.

They easily have the money.

[Crusader]

Tony Jefferson might turn out but I'm not a big fan of bringing in guys from the NFC especially for the secondary. Ravens tried that before and it failed. Weddell (AFC) worked out I believe because he has seen the other teams and QB’s many times. How many times do you think Jefferson has played against Brady or Ben?

[krnraven]

  53 minutes ago, krnraven said:

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

Signing Claiborne obviously wouldn't stop us from drafting a corner. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Even if all we do is draft a corner, that basically gives you Jimmy, Young (who is better in the slot) and a rookie.

Not exactly the depth we are looking for, especially when you're #1 corner misses time often.

When it comes to Corner, you're probably looking at a cheap veteran signing AND a decent draft pick, not OR a decent draft pick.

They do have something do with each other. It means we have don't sign a FA Cb whose price is high due to demand. And we can draft two CBs. One oft injured cb to alleviate another oft injured cb is not a plan.

And those FA cbs have worked out recently.

1. We have no clue what Claiborne's price is. So far, there's been very little discussion of him at all in FA, which means he's highly unlikely to be part of the first wave of higher paid players. You're just guessing that his price would be high.

2. We could still draft two corners if we signed him... again, that stops nothing from happening in the draft.

You're also probably highly unlikely to sign a corner who doesn't get injured or draft a corner who won't get injured, because, frankly, corners get injured a lot. You can go back and look at the history of our franchise and you'll see a lot of corners that have been injured multiple times.

You're right, those FA CBs haven't worked out recently. And neither have the draft picks.

Its the hardest position in the league in my opinion to evaluate and get your money's worth out of, save for maybe QB.

You're gambling in either scenario.

All else equal the draft is the way to go which is supposed to be our philosophy anyway.

Paying for a corner who was on one of the worst cover teams last year who is also not as durable is not remedying the issue. You're right I don't know the price but I know the market. Just look at what Wright got last year. This is the market unfortunately which shows in all these inflated contracts lately.

When we have to eat the dead money for all those failed deals which were not that hard to see at the time that they were not worth it. And people wonder where our cap space went? We need to build via the draft to combat the excess cap space of other teams.

The draft picks on CBs have actually panned out well: Tavon Young a 4th round corner played better than Arrintgton, Wright and any other FA cb they brought in the last 5 years. Webb played good corner for his first contract tenure. And Smith was well worth the 1st rounder.

Pass rusher, safety for some odd reason and WR are the positions that seem to always allude us in the draft but I would still keep trying to build via the draft we all know we can't hit on every draft pick but not to try is absurd.

[bioLarzen]

Tony Jefferson might turn out but I'm not a big fan of bringing in guys from the NFC especially for the secondary. Ravens tried that before and it failed. Weddell (AFC) worked out I believe because he has seen the other teams and QB’s many times. How many times do you think Jefferson has played against Brady or Ben?

Playing against Drew Brees and Rodgers isn't a walk in the park either :D

Jokes aside, what you're saying makes sense - time will tell.

[bioLarzen]

The Jefferson deal is official.

[Diehard raven]

Could somebody tell me why we aint lookin at terrelle pryor

[rmcjacket23]

  32 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  1 hour ago, krnraven said:

  1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  2 hours ago, krnraven said:

Don't see the need for Claiborne with such a deep draft class at the position. Plus cbs cost a lot on the market. Let's get back to the Raven way and build via the draft and UDFAs. FO seems to be losing their touch.

Signing Claiborne obviously wouldn't stop us from drafting a corner. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Even if all we do is draft a corner, that basically gives you Jimmy, Young (who is better in the slot) and a rookie.

Not exactly the depth we are looking for, especially when you're #1 corner misses time often.

When it comes to Corner, you're probably looking at a cheap veteran signing AND a decent draft pick, not OR a decent draft pick.

They do have something do with each other. It means we have don't sign a FA Cb whose price is high due to demand. And we can draft two CBs. One oft injured cb to alleviate another oft injured cb is not a plan.

And those FA cbs have worked out recently.

1. We have no clue what Claiborne's price is. So far, there's been very little discussion of him at all in FA, which means he's highly unlikely to be part of the first wave of higher paid players. You're just guessing that his price would be high.

2. We could still draft two corners if we signed him... again, that stops nothing from happening in the draft.

You're also probably highly unlikely to sign a corner who doesn't get injured or draft a corner who won't get injured, because, frankly, corners get injured a lot. You can go back and look at the history of our franchise and you'll see a lot of corners that have been injured multiple times.

You're right, those FA CBs haven't worked out recently. And neither have the draft picks.

Its the hardest position in the league in my opinion to evaluate and get your money's worth out of, save for maybe QB.

You're gambling in either scenario.

All else equal the draft is the way to go which is supposed to be our philosophy anyway.

Paying for a corner who was on one of the worst cover teams last year who is also not as durable is not remedying the issue. You're right I don't know the price but I know the market. Just look at what Wright got last year. This is the market unfortunately which shows in all these inflated contracts lately.

When we have to eat the dead money for all those failed deals which were not that hard to see at the time that they were not worth it. And people wonder where our cap space went? We need to build via the draft to combat the excess cap space of other teams.

The draft picks on CBs have actually panned out well: Tavon Young a 4th round corner played better than Arrintgton, Wright and any other FA cb they brought in the last 5 years. Webb played good corner for his first contract tenure. And Smith was well worth the 1st rounder.

Pass rusher, safety for some odd reason and WR are the positions that seem to always allude us in the draft but I would still keep trying to build via the draft we all know we can't hit on every draft pick but not to try is absurd.

You're still missing the point entirely.

1. Nobody is saying that signing a FA corner takes away from drafting 1 or 5 of them. Still have no idea why you keep coming back to this.

2. You shouldn't be looking at what Wright got last year, because that's when he was coming off a good season. He was actually pretty good, or at least, above average, in 2015. That's why we paid him like that last season. He was signed for peanuts during the 2015 season after he was cut by the 49ers. That's what the market is for average corners. Its not nearly as robust as you think it is.

3. Sure, Webb, Jimmy and Young are good picks. That's 3 respectable corners in, what, 8 years? There's also Chykie Brown, Asa Jackson, Marc Anthony, and Tray Walker (unlucky on this one). So for every 1 corner we drafted that panned out, another one didn't.

You could argue that's due to where they were drafted, but no team can commit a day 1 or 2 pick on a corner every year and be successful. Heck, the guy you are arguing against us signing was a very high draft pick who was viewed as a "can't miss" prospect by many. There's busts just littered among day 1 picks in recent years at the corner position.

Again, goes back to my point... tons of risk.

If you think drafting corners is the way to go, I agree, and signing one won't change that. It MAY mean that you draft somebody else instead of a 6th round corner who's extremely unlikely to pan out, because lets face, we aren't using two top 3 round picks on a corner. Maybe one of those goes to a corner, but we aren't going to pull a Steelers and draft like 4 corners in the first 3 rounds like they've done recently. That hasn't panned out well for them thus far either.

4. Nobody is even remotely suggesting that we aren't trying to build through the draft. What you're neglecting is that our drafts haven't been very good lately (main reason why we are in this mess) and that a team that has like 10 positions they want to upgrade can't possibly do it in a draft, or two drafts, or maybe even three drafts. Half of your draft class is going to be irrelevant when its all said and done... that's just how the NFL works.

[rmcjacket23]

Tony Jefferson might turn out but I'm not a big fan of bringing in guys from the NFC especially for the secondary. Ravens tried that before and it failed. Weddell (AFC) worked out I believe because he has seen the other teams and QB’s many times. How many times do you think Jefferson has played against Brady or Ben?

Well he's played against Rodgers and Brees, so don't see how that's an issue.

Really no evidence long term showing that players changing conferences aren't successful.

Not sure where you came up with that from.

[rmcjacket23]

  29 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

  41 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Oh my - just read the Browns traded for Brock Osweiler...

That alone has made my day - regardless of the Jefferson and Williams-situation

Brock Osweiler... LOOOOOOL

 

  35 minutes ago, Smoke0121 said:

Bio...RIGHT??? There's another year in the books that we don't have to worry about Cleveland getting into the mix. I like Hugh Jackson, but sometimes he leaves me scratching my head. RGIII? Osweiler? C'mon man.

he wont play for them - hell probably be cut pretty soon - they literally just paid to get a 2nd round pick which is kind of clever...

But at what price? the $16 million owed to Osweiler? Would they still be on the hook for his salary? If so, they merely inherited Houston's Horses rearery.

Word is they may just cut him.

But they basically swapped cash for draft picks, which is a smart move for a team rebuilding.

Does it even matter if Osweiler is their QB or not?

[bioLarzen]

Could somebody tell me why we aint lookin at terrelle pryor

There's no way of knowing whether we are. Thjere have been no rumours about it - b ut there were no rumours about the Woodhead signing either, practically up to the point where the agreement was in principle reached...

And anyway, he has suitors who can easily outbid us - and not every player leaves money on the table - like Jefferson did - to go to a more legit contender.

[DaveRCash2.0]

Let get B. Williams signed to a long-term deal, baby!

[hen826957]

How they way it looks, it looks like we're keeping Brandon after all. Not getting my hopes up.

[hen826957]

I wish that Orr didn't have to retire because we would've had 2 studs LB and 2 stud safeties. 

[TheKingFlip31]

Not too sure why we are going after Morris Claiborne...he's neither good nor healthy

Personally, I'd like to go after Prince Amukamara. He's had injury problems too, but at least played decently throughout. Played 14 games last year. Claiborne only played 7 I believe...

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, TheKingFlip31 said:

Not too sure why we are going after Morris Claiborne...he's neither good nor healthy

Personally, I'd like to go after Prince Amukamara. He's had injury problems too, but at least played decently throughout. Played 14 games last year. Claiborne only played 7 I believe...

he was pretty good this year for the cowboys... tbh if claiborne is cheap he's a great pickup because if we bag a cb in the draft he could end up at least 4th in the depth chart and would be at worst quality depth

[hen826957]

  38 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I wish that Orr didn't have to retire because we would've had 2 studs LB and 2 stud safeties. 

Seriously

Yeah.. What's the problem? I wish Orr didnt have to retired. CJ Mosley and Zachary Orr along with Jefferson and Weddle. Dang Lol. 😅

[hen826957]

2 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

he was pretty good this year for the cowboys... tbh if claiborne is cheap he's a great pickup because if we bag a cb in the draft he could end up at least 4th in the depth chart and would be at worst quality depth

I like Logan Ryan better than Claiborne. I'm worried about Claiborne history. 

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I like Logan Ryan better than Claiborne. I'm worried about Claiborne history. 

logan ryan will cost a lot more though