[News] Eisenberg: 'Hometown Discount' Is An Expired Coupon

[OzzieBisciotti]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

What about the other 18 starting players on both teams?

i cant remember anyone else on our team for lack of aging vets and no young stud play makers- sean mosely can't cover even if you gave him an umbrella that was already open..  

[OzzieBisciotti]

  8 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And fans get mad when the palyer says no thank you...

Most of the time, you've already grossly underpaid that same player for a few years because of the rookie pay structure.

 

ozzie to Wagner and Williams. "Iv payed you less than half your market value for 4 years. How bout you take another paycut to stay"

 

Im honestly starting to think... If Ozzie really wanted Wagner and or Williams then negotiations would have started last year. Ozzie certainly would have paid them slightly above market deals with guarantees mostly in the front part. He's betting that he can spend that cap better somewhere else and take those comp picks. Probably a 3rd and a 4th.

 

we had no money last year, just like this year.. we screwed up the cap with dead money and oh no flacco

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Are you kidding me?  what are you smoking?  the last draft, i would hope it was decent- we had like 50 picks... 

2016: Ronnie Stanley, Alex Lewis, Kenneth Dixon, tavon young, Matt judon, Michael pierce all made major contributions as rookies, Chris Moore was good on special teams as well (and this doesn't include the contributions of our 2nd or 3rd round picks)

2015: it's a bit early to tell due to profuse injury but perriman, maxx have both shown promise, as have nick Boyle and Darren Waller when they can get on the field, zadarius has flashed at times albeit he has also disappeared for a while now

2014: cj Mosley, Timmy Jernigan have played like stars at times, as did Zachary Orr until he had to retire, Crockett gillmore, john urschel have both started games, Brent urban and Michael campanaro ave made game-changing contributions

2013: this is the worst one and it still produced 3 starters who are the best in the league at their respective positions... Brandon Williams, Ricky wagner, Kyle juscyzk, john Simon was good (then we let him leave), and we got some good relief starts from Ryan Jensen

2012: KO is now an all-pro guard, Courtney upshaw was a 3 year starter, Justin tucker is amazing, Bernard pierce was crucial to the Super Bowl run, Tyson also played some useful snaps

2011: jimmy smith, Torres smith, Pernell mcphee were all great players for us, Tyron Taylor was a good backup and won a starting job in buffalo

by my count that is 2 excellent drafts, 2 very good drafts, 1 mediocre draft and 1 where it is still up in the air

[rossihunter2]

15 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

i cant remember anyone else on our team for lack of aging vets and no young stud play makers- sean mosely can't cover even if you gave him an umbrella that was already open..  

Now you're just being facetious - if you hate the Ravens so much that you can't see what's good about them at all and refuse to believe there's anything good about them then what's the point in being a fan?

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

rossihunter2 = eric dacosta

I'd love to be Eric decosta - he has a great job I'd love to have and he's amazing at it

[OzzieBisciotti]

  6 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

i cant remember anyone else on our team for lack of aging vets and no young stud play makers- sean mosely can't cover even if you gave him an umbrella that was already open..  

Now you're just being facetious - if you hate the Ravens so much that you can't see what's good about them at all and refuse to believe there's anything good about them then what's the point in being a fan?

I like the Ravens- I just liked the Ravens a little more when they were winning more- we need to get out of this funk that Oz and dacosta created

[OzzieBisciotti]

  6 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Are you kidding me?  what are you smoking?  the last draft, i would hope it was decent- we had like 50 picks... 

2016: Ronnie Stanley, Alex Lewis, Kenneth Dixon, tavon young, Matt judon, Michael pierce all made major contributions as rookies, Chris Moore was good on special teams as well (and this doesn't include the contributions of our 2nd or 3rd round picks)

2015: it's a bit early to tell due to profuse injury but perriman, maxx have both shown promise, as have nick Boyle and Darren Waller when they can get on the field, zadarius has flashed at times albeit he has also disappeared for a while now

2014: cj Mosley, Timmy Jernigan have played like stars at times, as did Zachary Orr until he had to retire, Crockett gillmore, john urschel have both started games, Brent urban and Michael campanaro ave made game-changing contributions

2013: this is the worst one and it still produced 3 starters who are the best in the league at their respective positions... Brandon Williams, Ricky wagner, Kyle juscyzk, john Simon was good (then we let him leave), and we got some good relief starts from Ryan Jensen

2012: KO is now an all-pro guard, Courtney upshaw was a 3 year starter, Justin tucker is amazing, Bernard pierce was crucial to the Super Bowl run, Tyson also played some useful snaps

2011: jimmy smith, Torres smith, Pernell mcphee were all great players for us, Tyron Taylor was a good backup and won a starting job in buffalo

by my count that is 2 excellent drafts, 2 very good drafts, 1 mediocre draft and 1 where it is still up in the air

this is the most ridiculous rebuttal i've ever seen- good job, dacosta, made me laugh

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Are you kidding me?  what are you smoking?  the last draft, i would hope it was decent- we had like 50 picks... 

2016: Ronnie Stanley, Alex Lewis, Kenneth Dixon, tavon young, Matt judon, Michael pierce all made major contributions as rookies, Chris Moore was good on special teams as well (and this doesn't include the contributions of our 2nd or 3rd round picks)

2015: it's a bit early to tell due to profuse injury but perriman, maxx have both shown promise, as have nick Boyle and Darren Waller when they can get on the field, zadarius has flashed at times albeit he has also disappeared for a while now

2014: cj Mosley, Timmy Jernigan have played like stars at times, as did Zachary Orr until he had to retire, Crockett gillmore, john urschel have both started games, Brent urban and Michael campanaro ave made game-changing contributions

2013: this is the worst one and it still produced 3 starters who are the best in the league at their respective positions... Brandon Williams, Ricky wagner, Kyle juscyzk, john Simon was good (then we let him leave), and we got some good relief starts from Ryan Jensen

2012: KO is now an all-pro guard, Courtney upshaw was a 3 year starter, Justin tucker is amazing, Bernard pierce was crucial to the Super Bowl run, Tyson also played some useful snaps

2011: jimmy smith, Torres smith, Pernell mcphee were all great players for us, Tyron Taylor was a good backup and won a starting job in buffalo

by my count that is 2 excellent drafts, 2 very good drafts, 1 mediocre draft and 1 where it is still up in the air

I'm done talking about how our drafting has been slipping for years, and years. After responding to this. Just think you're missing a couple of his points.

2016: We had a good draft. That could've been GREAT if we didn't whiff on high picks again. We passed up pro bowlers for KC. He had numerous games where a starting LB spot was open, but yet he couldn't even play Special Teams. Too early to call him a whiff, but a lot of people think he's a lost cause and another AB, and it's hard for me not to agree. We'll see about Kufasi. He was already a project and has zero experience going into year 2 now. He also doesn't look like an impact starter to me either. Hopefully he can be utilized in a similar way we used McPhee.

2015: Perriman hasn't done much at all in 2 years. Though I am more hopeful for him next year than a lot of fans, but we'll see. Maxx has shown promise? You must be kidding. Just about Zero production from him in 2 years after we traded up and selected him 55th overall. Zadarius never flashed. He got a few coverage sacks as a rookie. I really hope Boyle can finally stay on the field next year, but Waller hasn't done anything. Davis was a 3rd round pick, and I was stoked when we picked him, but he's been a no show.

2014: CJ was the 16th pick, and was a good pick. Timmy has not played like a star. He's literally had more bone head penalties over the years than game changing splash plays. I like Gilmore but he can't stay on the field. Urshel is not good. Urban and Camp can't stay on the field, either cuz of injuries or they're not good enough.

2013: Elam. One of the worst picks ever. His tackling, or lack there of cost us a SB. AB- trade up...i think....for Zero production his whole career. BWill is the man, but now he's leaving. Simon, I thought we let him go early, but he still isn't an impact player. Juice- our most overated player ever. We better not resign him. Wagner was a great pick.

2012: KO is an all Pro Guard and helped us win a SB. And we didn't extend him and let one of our few home grown studs leave. Upshaw was a Starter, and helped us win a SB. He was good his rookie year. But just an out of shape no show after that. Sure he stopped the run, but he was the 35th pick in the draft. Kinda wondering if anyone even signs him this year. Pierce did contribute to the run, nothing after that, but if you contribute to a run, that's good enough. Tyson helped too. Tucker is the man.

2011: Pretty good draft

2010: Kindle never contributed- I think that was cuz he fell down a flight of stairs though and hurt his head-random. Cody was another waste of a Alabama pick. Dickson was awful. So PItta and some play from Arthur Jones is all we got from that draft.

So yes, we've added some really good players, and an handful of studs over the past Seven years. We also won a SB which is the ultimate goal. That was mostly from previous years though.
And we've certainly drafted plenty of STARTERS. But I think that part is the big problem. Of course we're gonna have some really good picks over a time frame like that. Some that are keeping us hanging on. But I think a lot of us feel like we aren't drafting big time studs in rounds 1 and 2. That are play makers. That contribute each year, and that we extend so they are Ravens for Years. Sure we've been spoiled by picks of JO, Ray, Ed, and Sizzle. Those are HOF players, and we don't need to select them in the 1rst and 2nd every year, but we do need to select really good players that contribute to winning. We've all seen how crazy hard it is to win relying on high picks such as Elam, AB, Perriman, Maxx, KC and others. If they aren't great players that's one thing, but these types of picks need to contribute in some way, other than taking up money. Plus it'd be nice to throw more pro bowlers in there, and extend them before it's "too late".
After Sizzle retires, we only have 4 home grown young Studs, and one of those are a kicker- Tucker, Young, Mosely, and Stanley. We need a few more, at important positions too. Huge draft and Offseason coming up. Make or break imo

[The Greek]

8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

like past FA periods, don't get too excited. i dont see desean or garcon coming to baltimore.. oz never has paid a wr big money- never.... he doesn't value the position.

we have breshard perriman, terrance west, and flacco

squeelers have antonio brown, le'veon bell, ans rothlesberher

enough said...

we do not need desean. he is 1 dimensional. we have enough speed demons. we need chain movers that can run a crisp route and fight for the ball

[RavenSwag]

I have no problems with any player trying to cash in. The NFL is the only sport that doesn't have guaranteed contracts and the shelf life of a player isn't that long. Get what you can get while you can get it. As Ravens fans we've seen this movie way too many times..grooming a player just to see them go elsewhere and sign with another team. That's what happens when you draft good players.

[rmcjacket23]

  9 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

  9 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

i cant remember anyone else on our team for lack of aging vets and no young stud play makers- sean mosely can't cover even if you gave him an umbrella that was already open..  

Now you're just being facetious - if you hate the Ravens so much that you can't see what's good about them at all and refuse to believe there's anything good about them then what's the point in being a fan?

I like the Ravens- I just liked the Ravens a little more when they were winning more- we need to get out of this funk that Oz and dacosta created

So basically, an admitted fair-weather mentality?

[rmcjacket23]

  17 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

  18 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And fans get mad when the palyer says no thank you...

Most of the time, you've already grossly underpaid that same player for a few years because of the rookie pay structure.

 

ozzie to Wagner and Williams. "Iv payed you less than half your market value for 4 years. How bout you take another paycut to stay"

 

Im honestly starting to think... If Ozzie really wanted Wagner and or Williams then negotiations would have started last year. Ozzie certainly would have paid them slightly above market deals with guarantees mostly in the front part. He's betting that he can spend that cap better somewhere else and take those comp picks. Probably a 3rd and a 4th.

 

we had no money last year, just like this year.. we screwed up the cap with dead money and oh no flacco

We didn't have that much dead money last year and had plenty to spend on FAs, which we did (more so than usual in fact).

This post seems extremely out of touch with reality.

[rmcjacket23]

  16 hours ago, leziRav said:

  16 hours ago, The Greek said:

shareece and kendrick have been released

I think that is a good news. It means that FO is making cap space for some moves in free agency. Maybe some of our free agents want to take the ravens deal after talking to other interested teams or Ozzie is getting ready to go after other free agents. The next 72 hrs will be very interested.

like past FA periods, don't get too excited. i dont see desean or garcon coming to baltimore.. oz never has paid a wr big money- never.... he doesn't value the position.

we have breshard perriman, terrance west, and flacco

squeelers have antonio brown, le'veon bell, ans rothlesberher

enough said...

And the Steelers have very few impact players on defense, which is why they lost to us once and beat us on a last second TD in their own building.

At some point, fans actually have to start watching games and paying attention to them.

Simply doesn't cut it to put the jersey on, fall asleep in your lounger in the middle of the 2nd, wake up when its over, and then rush to the ESPN box scores for your lazy analysis.

Just simply doesn't cut it.

[sizzlingdoom]

  9 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

  16 hours ago, leziRav said:

  16 hours ago, The Greek said:

shareece and kendrick have been released

I think that is a good news. It means that FO is making cap space for some moves in free agency. Maybe some of our free agents want to take the ravens deal after talking to other interested teams or Ozzie is getting ready to go after other free agents. The next 72 hrs will be very interested.

like past FA periods, don't get too excited. i dont see desean or garcon coming to baltimore.. oz never has paid a wr big money- never.... he doesn't value the position.

we have breshard perriman, terrance west, and flacco

squeelers have antonio brown, le'veon bell, ans rothlesberher

enough said...

And the Steelers have very few impact players on defense, which is why they lost to us once and beat us on a last second TD in their own building.

At some point, fans actually have to start watching games and paying attention to them.

Simply doesn't cut it to put the jersey on, fall asleep in your lounger in the middle of the 2nd, wake up when its over, and then rush to the ESPN box scores for your lazy analysis.

Just simply doesn't cut it.

"At some point, fans have to actually start watching games and paying attention to them"
Couldn't sound like more of a Donkey if you tried. Which I'm assuming you must be. You have taken the torch

[Crusader]

  18 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And people get mad when the player says no thank you...

There is no equivalency with a "common" job. I will never be offered $8 million for the job I do or a competing offer of $10 million. Sorry, when you are talking about that kind of money it comes down to ego and greed. God bless them for their given talents and they are free to do as they please. By rejecting the "hometown discount", this is what the players are telling me a fan: They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team.

"They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team." Any man that puts a City or Business over their family security and long term fiances for "Home Town Discount" needs their head examined.

[Drinkmore Beer]

I don't blame anyone for signing with the team that will pay him the most. The average career for an NFL player is quite short compared to other sports, a lot of what they sign for isn't guaranteed, and many of them end up broke a few years after retirement because they didn't manage their money well and have no other skills.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, Crusader said:

"They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team." Any man that puts a City or Business over their family security and long term fiances for "Home Town Discount" needs their head examined.

exactly, as brandon williams himself said, if its close he'll take a slight discount to stay - but with the amount of money available in free agency it was never going to be close - players like torrey consistently prove that the relationships they make here are important to them, that doesnt mean that they should mortgage the rest of their lives on staying with their "friends" for 4 more years - i think the thing that we often miss is that by moving to a different team it doesnt mean they lose their relationships with people they like here

[mstrchef13]

I hope that the team lets Juszczyk go. They need a bruising lead blocker like Vonta Leach or Lorenzo Neal. Those types of players are significantly more cap-friendly than an H-back and the team's running game will benefit. 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, mstrchef13 said:

I hope that the team lets Juszczyk go. They need a bruising lead blocker like Vonta Leach or Lorenzo Neal. Those types of players are significantly more cap-friendly than an H-back and the team's running game will benefit. 

I imagine that given Greg roman is now our tight ends coach that we will end up using tight ends or bigger backs as lead blockers rather than a full back

[mmcclend]

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

"At some point, fans have to actually start watching games and paying attention to them"
Couldn't sound like more of a Donkey if you tried. Which I'm assuming you must be. You have taken the torch

Calling everybody "fans" like he isn't one. Lol comical. 

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

We didn't have that much dead money last year and had plenty to spend on FAs, which we did (more so than usual in fact).

This post seems extremely out of touch with reality.

Thank you lol

[rmcjacket23]

  On 3/8/2017 at 8:52 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

"At some point, fans have to actually start watching games and paying attention to them"
Couldn't sound like more of a Donkey if you tried. Which I'm assuming you must be. You have taken the torch

Calling everybody "fans" like he isn't one. Lol comical. 

Just like people, not all fans are created "equal". Some fans like to invest the time in gaining education and knowledge about their team and actually being able to discuss the topic logically.

And some, well, don't. Some prefer to just spew off baseless opinions and prefer to know less.

In the end, everybody just has to decide what kind of "fan" they want to be.