[News] Eisenberg: 'Hometown Discount' Is An Expired Coupon

[rmcjacket23]

There's absolutely no way Joe takes a pay cut, that's for sure. But there is a way if needed to drop his cap hit by giving him that 6 mil and moving the hit to 2021 where none of joes salary is guaranteed

There's only one way for Joe to reduce his cap hit this season, and that's to do a restructuring.

The restructuring accomplishes nothing in the long term. All it does is takes his current salary (or part of it), convert it into a bonus, and spread it out over the remaining years.

Based on what I see, the MAXIMUM amount he could save the team in 2017 is $4.8M. That would lower his cap hit in 2017 to $19.75M... I don't see a possible scenario where his cap hit is lower than this year.

And again, in doing so, you add $1.2M in now guaranteed cap to all future years.

At best, I could see the Ravens MAYBE thinking about doing this as an extreme measure if they really need a little more money somehow. Realistically, they probably wouldn't do all of it anyway, as they'd probably only convert like $3-4M.

So, short answer is that there's zero long term gain from a reduced cap hit in 2017 (in fact you're guaranteeing non-guaranteed money by doing that), and there's very little amount of cap savings that can be created.

So I wouldn't expect anything like that to happen. Just doesn't really accomplish much.

[rmcjacket23]

  21 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And people get mad when the player says no thank you...

Right? I guess people don't really understand what they are saying. That's like any working individual doing a phenomenal job at their occupation and when it's time for a pay raise they decline that opportunity...all because they want to be "loyal" to their bosses. These guys have the opportunity to make a significant sum of money in a short amount of time...why not try to get every penny you can. I guarantee almost every fan on this website would do the same. Its not being selfish, its being smart. Money talks, loyalty only goes so far. I find it humorous when fans say, "well it's only a million dollars..." Yeah, only a million...

In particular, the "loyalty" aspect in professional sports is practically non-existent, unless you are like a HOF-level, all-time great player, and even then we see those guys end up playing elsewhere after awhile.

Every single player in this league will at some point become expendable to their employer. And when that time comes, if the player refuses to quit, the team will make that decision for him.

The reason players show very little loyalty to teams is because teams show very little loyalty to players.

Its fair on both sides as far as I'm concerned.

[Ravensfansince03]

B. Williams is not worth a star player contract IMO. I'd bite the bullet and look for a REAL franchise DT like Haloti Ngata. When we first drafted Haloti he instantly became one of the best DT's in the league. Brandon Williams is too slow and bulky.

[AvianBrain]

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And people get mad when the player says no thank you...

There is no equivalency with a "common" job. I will never be offered $8 million for the job I do or a competing offer of $10 million. Sorry, when you are talking about that kind of money it comes down to ego and greed. God bless them for their given talents and they are free to do as they please. By rejecting the "hometown discount", this is what the players are telling me a fan: They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team.

[fusuymada]

This is another side of the same argument.

The NFL is experiencing a decline in fan attendance and people watching the games on whatever day they are played. I personally don't believe, like others, that as a result of changes to the game, saturation, Kaepernick kneeling for the flag or any other reason, that people come up with, is just an excuse people use whenever they want to complain that NFL interest is waning. What the teams and the NFL fail to realize is there is no allegiance to players and teams because players are now just rented as opposed to being actual team members that fans grow accustomed to and grow to like. Then when they leave they cause one of two reactions; either fans leave to go with their favorite player to another team (which I have seen quite often), or they hate the player and boo him when he comes to town. The feelings that develop between fans and players are not just wham bam thank you fan affairs, fans get to know players, players families, their children, or like Torrey Smith, a local boy, who attracted attention at Maryland, then signed with the Ravens and he seemed like a family member not just a player on the team I support. I can't tell you the number of jerseys we have in our family of players that no longer play for the Ravens. At $100 a pop, it is very frustrating and personally, I don't even buy NFL gear anymore. This is a direct result of the johnny come lately system the NFL and NFLPA have evolved into.

If the NFL doesnt want to continue to go down the road of losing fans, year after year, as they did the last two years, they really need to look at a way to address the facts that fans have no connection to players anymore and therefore have no connection to the game. Seeing their favorite player play isn't a big deal because they have no favorite player as a result of the revolving door policy. The NFL and NFLPA need to look at giving a "home town subsidy" to the team that players are presently playing with by subsidizing the contract of the player if he chooses to stay with his team, keeping the fan base of the team, thus keeping the fans of NFL football, making buying a player jersey something more than just a three year investment.

To me its not all the peripheral stuff that goes on with the NFL that is affecting the fan base. Its not the saturation of the game since we are playing three days a week now. Its not because of the legal issue of players and its not any of the other things that pundits point out. It is the fact that there is no desire to support a faceless team and when players come and go like they change their underwear, why watch. And when you win a super bowl and just three years later only have 4 people left on the team from that super bowl team, then what is the motivation to continue to support a faceless team that changes its roster every 4 years.

[rmcjacket23]

  44 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And people get mad when the player says no thank you...

There is no equivalency with a "common" job. I will never be offered $8 million for the job I do or a competing offer of $10 million. Sorry, when you are talking about that kind of money it comes down to ego and greed. God bless them for their given talents and they are free to do as they please. By rejecting the "hometown discount", this is what the players are telling me a fan: They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team.

You don't need to be offered that kind of money to understand the concept, because its all proportional. You could change the dollar amounts and the concept is the same. For example...

Its not $8M and $10M... its $80K and $100K. Would you take the "loyalty discount" then? Well that would depend on many other factors, just like this does.

For example... what if, like in the NFL, the potential for those earnings is capped at, say, another 5 years? Does that change your decision, knowing that 5 years from now you may have to live off of everything else you already paid and your income decreases dramatically?

Answer is yes, that matters. People may say "well what about your family... would you just move them across the country"? Answer is... maybe. Is the cost of living cheaper elsewhere? What about the concept that an NFL player will still have several months a year where he can be home with his family, and that the family may not even need to move with you at all?

The one concept you did get right was that there is no equivalency for a common job, because the NFL is unique. Unique schedules, unique compensation, unique career length. Practically nothing else like it outside of the Sports world.

If you take a players decision personally, its because you don't understand their decision. In the end, they aren't playing for you. Most of these guys would play football if nobody watched... they'd just have other employment. They play because they get paid highly to play, and for most of them, because they love it.

[Utah_Raven]

None of these players are from Baltimore so technically it's not their home town.

[Utah_Raven]

This is another side of the same argument.

The NFL is experiencing a decline in fan attendance and people watching the games on whatever day they are played. I personally don't believe, like others, that as a result of changes to the game, saturation, Kaepernick kneeling for the flag or any other reason, that people come up with, is just an excuse people use whenever they want to complain that NFL interest is waning. What the teams and the NFL fail to realize is there is no allegiance to players and teams because players are now just rented as opposed to being actual team members that fans grow accustomed to and grow to like. Then when they leave they cause one of two reactions; either fans leave to go with their favorite player to another team (which I have seen quite often), or they hate the player and boo him when he comes to town. The feelings that develop between fans and players are not just wham bam thank you fan affairs, fans get to know players, players families, their children, or like Torrey Smith, a local boy, who attracted attention at Maryland, then signed with the Ravens and he seemed like a family member not just a player on the team I support. I can't tell you the number of jerseys we have in our family of players that no longer play for the Ravens. At $100 a pop, it is very frustrating and personally, I don't even buy NFL gear anymore. This is a direct result of the johnny come lately system the NFL and NFLPA have evolved into.

If the NFL doesnt want to continue to go down the road of losing fans, year after year, as they did the last two years, they really need to look at a way to address the facts that fans have no connection to players anymore and therefore have no connection to the game. Seeing their favorite player play isn't a big deal because they have no favorite player as a result of the revolving door policy. The NFL and NFLPA need to look at giving a "home town subsidy" to the team that players are presently playing with by subsidizing the contract of the player if he chooses to stay with his team, keeping the fan base of the team, thus keeping the fans of NFL football, making buying a player jersey something more than just a three year investment.

To me its not all the peripheral stuff that goes on with the NFL that is affecting the fan base. Its not the saturation of the game since we are playing three days a week now. Its not because of the legal issue of players and its not any of the other things that pundits point out. It is the fact that there is no desire to support a faceless team and when players come and go like they change their underwear, why watch. And when you win a super bowl and just three years later only have 4 people left on the team from that super bowl team, then what is the motivation to continue to support a faceless team that changes its roster every 4 years.

Don't forget too many commercials during games on TV as one of the reasons viewership is down. I now watch NFL games on TiVo and I can watch an entire NFL game in 90 mins without all the garbage commercials.

[griffrb]

Nothing personal. Strictly business. No love lost. We can't keep them all, or most, or even the best of the players we draft and develop. We just simply need to draft better, keep developing players, and just manage the situation as best we can and simply don't expect more than 4 to 5 years from any player we draft. I think we need to stop relying so heavily on free agency every year and paying others anyway, and grow Ravens.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

This is another side of the same argument.

The NFL is experiencing a decline in fan attendance and people watching the games on whatever day they are played. I personally don't believe, like others, that as a result of changes to the game, saturation, Kaepernick kneeling for the flag or any other reason, that people come up with, is just an excuse people use whenever they want to complain that NFL interest is waning. What the teams and the NFL fail to realize is there is no allegiance to players and teams because players are now just rented as opposed to being actual team members that fans grow accustomed to and grow to like. Then when they leave they cause one of two reactions; either fans leave to go with their favorite player to another team (which I have seen quite often), or they hate the player and boo him when he comes to town. The feelings that develop between fans and players are not just wham bam thank you fan affairs, fans get to know players, players families, their children, or like Torrey Smith, a local boy, who attracted attention at Maryland, then signed with the Ravens and he seemed like a family member not just a player on the team I support. I can't tell you the number of jerseys we have in our family of players that no longer play for the Ravens. At $100 a pop, it is very frustrating and personally, I don't even buy NFL gear anymore. This is a direct result of the johnny come lately system the NFL and NFLPA have evolved into.

If the NFL doesnt want to continue to go down the road of losing fans, year after year, as they did the last two years, they really need to look at a way to address the facts that fans have no connection to players anymore and therefore have no connection to the game. Seeing their favorite player play isn't a big deal because they have no favorite player as a result of the revolving door policy. The NFL and NFLPA need to look at giving a "home town subsidy" to the team that players are presently playing with by subsidizing the contract of the player if he chooses to stay with his team, keeping the fan base of the team, thus keeping the fans of NFL football, making buying a player jersey something more than just a three year investment.

To me its not all the peripheral stuff that goes on with the NFL that is affecting the fan base. Its not the saturation of the game since we are playing three days a week now. Its not because of the legal issue of players and its not any of the other things that pundits point out. It is the fact that there is no desire to support a faceless team and when players come and go like they change their underwear, why watch. And when you win a super bowl and just three years later only have 4 people left on the team from that super bowl team, then what is the motivation to continue to support a faceless team that changes its roster every 4 years.

I hear ya. I'll point out that if your reason for watching and rooting for a team is solely based on your favorite player plays for them, you are not really a team fan as much you are a player fan. There are many fans such as this, in large part due to fantasy football. Team fans do not tend to mind who is playing for them or not. Yes it would be nice to keep all the best of the best but we have all seen what inequality and disparity within the league does to overall interests, outside a small collection of teams.

FYI - If buying NFL gear left a bad taste in your mouth due to players moving on, either wait until you know the player whose jersey, etc you are looking to purchase, is going to be around long term (signs a second contract) or just get a blank jersey or throw your name on it. There are no guarantees in life, so decide carefully. Keep in mind you can always get a blank and apply a name plate later on.

Personally, although many of the recent changes have taken a bit to get used to, now that the dust is somewhat settling again, I am enjoying the fact teams overall are becoming more on par with one another. Games are becoming more interesting in general. The NFL will never achieve perfect equity among teams, however after a few seasons now, it is apparent that the weaker teams have started to become much more competitive than in the past. It really has not greatly affected the top teams negatively much either. Sure they may lost a few quality players now and again, due mostly to salary cap, but the trade off is additional picks for teams who generally develop well. (Plus ability to trade those picks now.) Also one teams loss is another teams gain, of course nothing is free so they do have to pay, and rightly so.

If you fall into the category of your team losing more players than in acquires, then your team if probably in good health comparatively to the other teams. If you generally acquire more talent than develop, your team is still probably trying to close the talent gap.

[rmcjacket23]

This is another side of the same argument.

The NFL is experiencing a decline in fan attendance and people watching the games on whatever day they are played. I personally don't believe, like others, that as a result of changes to the game, saturation, Kaepernick kneeling for the flag or any other reason, that people come up with, is just an excuse people use whenever they want to complain that NFL interest is waning. What the teams and the NFL fail to realize is there is no allegiance to players and teams because players are now just rented as opposed to being actual team members that fans grow accustomed to and grow to like. Then when they leave they cause one of two reactions; either fans leave to go with their favorite player to another team (which I have seen quite often), or they hate the player and boo him when he comes to town. The feelings that develop between fans and players are not just wham bam thank you fan affairs, fans get to know players, players families, their children, or like Torrey Smith, a local boy, who attracted attention at Maryland, then signed with the Ravens and he seemed like a family member not just a player on the team I support. I can't tell you the number of jerseys we have in our family of players that no longer play for the Ravens. At $100 a pop, it is very frustrating and personally, I don't even buy NFL gear anymore. This is a direct result of the johnny come lately system the NFL and NFLPA have evolved into.

If the NFL doesnt want to continue to go down the road of losing fans, year after year, as they did the last two years, they really need to look at a way to address the facts that fans have no connection to players anymore and therefore have no connection to the game. Seeing their favorite player play isn't a big deal because they have no favorite player as a result of the revolving door policy. The NFL and NFLPA need to look at giving a "home town subsidy" to the team that players are presently playing with by subsidizing the contract of the player if he chooses to stay with his team, keeping the fan base of the team, thus keeping the fans of NFL football, making buying a player jersey something more than just a three year investment.

To me its not all the peripheral stuff that goes on with the NFL that is affecting the fan base. Its not the saturation of the game since we are playing three days a week now. Its not because of the legal issue of players and its not any of the other things that pundits point out. It is the fact that there is no desire to support a faceless team and when players come and go like they change their underwear, why watch. And when you win a super bowl and just three years later only have 4 people left on the team from that super bowl team, then what is the motivation to continue to support a faceless team that changes its roster every 4 years.

Actually, most of what you said has very little impact whatsoever.

The majority of it is simple... fans are "cutting the cord". Rapid declines in TV cable/satellite subscriptions. Too many providers offering people on-demand packages and the ability to pay and watch only what they want to watch at that time.

The industry is shifting rapidly far away from paying $100 a month for all the TV channel a subscriber offers, because smart viewers are refusing to pay that price any longer. They're willing to pay much smaller amounts for just the TV they want to see.

Keep in mind that the overwhelming majority of people who watch NFL football don't have a "favorite team" or a "favorite player". Most of them watch the NFL because they like to watch football.

If the Baltimore Ravens ceased to exist, and Baltimore had no football team (which they didn't for many years), I'd still watch football. I'd still buy the Sunday Ticket. Maybe I'd adopt another team, maybe I wouldn't.

The NFL's ratings decline coincides with the ratings decline of many other network shows that are completely unrelated to football or sports at all.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

The real "hometown discount" generally has been utilized when a player has already earned a bigger second contract and then on the third contract negotiations. Ray Lewis is just one example I can think of. There were obviously many teams interested in his services, even on the back nine. Ultimately he stayed and was generous to play for a little less. I think mostly this comes down to the fact he got paid well already and has received multiple contracts from the same team. In such a case you already know what you are getting, and that that team does believe in you. No one earns a second contract with the same team without a great deal of faith in that player's talent and ability.

IMHO expecting a hometown discount for a second contract is a bit out of the question. The most I would expect is if all contract offers are very similar in pay, etc; it may be simpler to stick with the team you already know, instead of testing the unknown and having to pack up and move, then start new.

[Gpokmd]

This is another side of the same argument.

The NFL is experiencing a decline in fan attendance and people watching the games on whatever day they are played. I personally don't believe, like others, that as a result of changes to the game, saturation, Kaepernick kneeling for the flag or any other reason, that people come up with, is just an excuse people use whenever they want to complain that NFL interest is waning. What the teams and the NFL fail to realize is there is no allegiance to players and teams because players are now just rented as opposed to being actual team members that fans grow accustomed to and grow to like. Then when they leave they cause one of two reactions; either fans leave to go with their favorite player to another team (which I have seen quite often), or they hate the player and boo him when he comes to town. The feelings that develop between fans and players are not just wham bam thank you fan affairs, fans get to know players, players families, their children, or like Torrey Smith, a local boy, who attracted attention at Maryland, then signed with the Ravens and he seemed like a family member not just a player on the team I support. I can't tell you the number of jerseys we have in our family of players that no longer play for the Ravens. At $100 a pop, it is very frustrating and personally, I don't even buy NFL gear anymore. This is a direct result of the johnny come lately system the NFL and NFLPA have evolved into.

If the NFL doesnt want to continue to go down the road of losing fans, year after year, as they did the last two years, they really need to look at a way to address the facts that fans have no connection to players anymore and therefore have no connection to the game. Seeing their favorite player play isn't a big deal because they have no favorite player as a result of the revolving door policy. The NFL and NFLPA need to look at giving a "home town subsidy" to the team that players are presently playing with by subsidizing the contract of the player if he chooses to stay with his team, keeping the fan base of the team, thus keeping the fans of NFL football, making buying a player jersey something more than just a three year investment.

To me its not all the peripheral stuff that goes on with the NFL that is affecting the fan base. Its not the saturation of the game since we are playing three days a week now. Its not because of the legal issue of players and its not any of the other things that pundits point out. It is the fact that there is no desire to support a faceless team and when players come and go like they change their underwear, why watch. And when you win a super bowl and just three years later only have 4 people left on the team from that super bowl team, then what is the motivation to continue to support a faceless team that changes its roster every 4 years.

completely agree. tired of shelling out loyalty/ jersey money for a revolving door.

[Gpokmd]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

To be honest, I've never understood this whole "hometown discount" idea. For what does it even mean? "You've done a great job for us, we'r really delighted with your performance - so, we're honouring and acknowledging it by offering you less than your market value and hope you'll take it."

And people get mad when the player says no thank you...

There is no equivalency with a "common" job. I will never be offered $8 million for the job I do or a competing offer of $10 million. Sorry, when you are talking about that kind of money it comes down to ego and greed. God bless them for their given talents and they are free to do as they please. By rejecting the "hometown discount", this is what the players are telling me a fan: They are not happy with their current employer and indirectly the fans that follow the team.

agree completely !!

[The Greek]

shareece and kendrick have been released

[rmcjacket23]

The real "hometown discount" generally has been utilized when a player has already earned a bigger second contract and then on the third contract negotiations. Ray Lewis is just one example I can think of. There were obviously many teams interested in his services, even on the back nine. Ultimately he stayed and was generous to play for a little less. I think mostly this comes down to the fact he got paid well already and has received multiple contracts from the same team. In such a case you already know what you are getting, and that that team does believe in you. No one earns a second contract with the same team without a great deal of faith in that player's talent and ability.

IMHO expecting a hometown discount for a second contract is a bit out of the question. The most I would expect is if all contract offers are very similar in pay, etc; it may be simpler to stick with the team you already know, instead of testing the unknown and having to pack up and move, then start new.

Correct. Very few 25-26 year olds looking to get their first big payday after their rookie deal expires are taking hometown discounts, unless they are fringe players who don't have a robust market.

The "hometown discount" is oftentimes players who are in their 30s.

[leziRav]

12 minutes ago, The Greek said:

shareece and kendrick have been released

I think that is a good news. It means that FO is making cap space for some moves in free agency. Maybe some of our free agents want to take the ravens deal after talking to other interested teams or Ozzie is getting ready to go after other free agents. The next 72 hrs will be very interested.

[robbie29]

Flacco is killing this team, he's not Elite and top 15 at best. Flacco you need to take a pay cut or the Ravens need to let you go. We are losing to much talent!!!!

Shhhh... it's dangerous to speak the truth about Flacco here. Here, Flacco is elite and it's the other 10 offensive players who are holding him back because they suck.

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, robbie29 said:

Shhhh... it's dangerous to speak the truth about Flacco here. Here, Flacco is elite and it's the other 10 offensive players who are holding him back because they suck.

that's not the point at all - no one takes a pay cut when they dont have to and he doesnt have to - no one is suggesting that he played even close to well enough last year but that doesnt mean the other 10 guys did nor does it mean hes going to take a pay cut

[ellicottraven]

"That’s not an alternative fact"! Nice Eisenberg. I hadn't heard that word since about 2-3 weeks ago when we all lived the alternative fact nation! lol

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, The Greek said:

nfl.com has an article on wagner saying he will be the prize RT on the market and will get more than 8 million per season so see u later wagner. there will be some vets we can sign and plug in there unless we have someone in house that may be ready for a shot. maybe we sign guard dj fluker and bump lewis outside. i could care less if we lose juice. we do not utilize him properly plus his blocking has not impressed me on short yardage. he is no vonta leach. b williams sets the tone for our lb's to have clear lanes to the rb's so he should be the priority but i fear his cost will make me sick to my stomach

We have been in cap hell for years for overpaying players and dead money from guys that could barely make the team. As much as I like Wagner we cannot pay a RT that is good in pass pro but mediocre at run blocking as the best at his position. We can very likely get a replacement at a third or fourth the cost. 

ozzie is trying to clean up past messes and not make the same mistake twice. We might have one more year or getting through this stage but I think if we nail this draft and grab some quality FAs we could be back in 18' if not 17'. 

[OzzieBisciotti]

I wish Flacco gave us the hometown discount.. instead, Oz let Flacco rob us- lol.. now we continue to be in bad cap situations and puts more pressure on oz and dacosta to nail draft picks / FAs, something that they haven't done well in the past five years

[OzzieBisciotti]

Juice is overrated, and we should push him out the door. shame we'll lose williams because of bad cap management, and rick wagner doesn't deserve that much money either-- but I'm not oz. otherwise, i wouldve drafted better in the last five years

[OzzieBisciotti]

B. Williams is not worth a star player contract IMO. I'd bite the bullet and look for a REAL franchise DT like Haloti Ngata. When we first drafted Haloti he instantly became one of the best DT's in the league. Brandon Williams is too slow and bulky.

see what happens when you put him on a quality line- like KO, he will probably become a pro bowler...

[OzzieBisciotti]

  9 hours ago, The Negotiator said:

Flacco is killing this team, he's not Elite and top 15 at best. Flacco you need to take a pay cut or the Ravens need to let you go. We are losing to much talent!!!!

Shhhh... it's dangerous to speak the truth about Flacco here. Here, Flacco is elite and it's the other 10 offensive players who are holding him back because they suck.

oz needs to ask flacco for a refund

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I wish Flacco gave us the hometown discount.. instead, Oz let Flacco rob us- lol.. now we continue to be in bad cap situations and puts more pressure on oz and dacosta to nail draft picks / FAs, something that they haven't done well in the past five years

2 of the last 3 drafts have been great and 2 of the 3 before that were pretty good too - 4 of the last 6 drafts were at least good, only 1 was bad (and it still yielded 3 starters), and the other is still too early to tell/give up on

in free agency we have brought in weddle, Wallace, Steve smith sr and some lower profile guys like Owen Daniels, Daryl smith which considering we don't often splash the cash in free agency is a pretty impressive haul

there is a reason everyone outside of Baltimore thinks Ozzie and Eric are the best in the business and it's because they are

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

oz needs to ask flacco for a refund

If oz gets to ask flacco for a refund then I want a refund of my time having to traul through your posts

[OzzieBisciotti]

  6 hours ago, The Greek said:

shareece and kendrick have been released

I think that is a good news. It means that FO is making cap space for some moves in free agency. Maybe some of our free agents want to take the ravens deal after talking to other interested teams or Ozzie is getting ready to go after other free agents. The next 72 hrs will be very interested.

like past FA periods, don't get too excited. i dont see desean or garcon coming to baltimore.. oz never has paid a wr big money- never.... he doesn't value the position.

we have breshard perriman, terrance west, and flacco

squeelers have antonio brown, le'veon bell, ans rothlesberher

enough said...

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

like past FA periods, don't get too excited. i dont see desean or garcon coming to baltimore.. oz never has paid a wr big money- never.... he doesn't value the position.

we have breshard perriman, terrance west, and flacco

squeelers have antonio brown, le'veon bell, ans rothlesberher

enough said...

What about the other 18 starting players on both teams?

[OzzieBisciotti]

8 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

2 of the last 3 drafts have been great and 2 of the 3 before that were pretty good too - 4 of the last 6 drafts were at least good, only 1 was bad (and it still yielded 3 starters), and the other is still too early to tell/give up on

in free agency we have brought in weddle, Wallace, Steve smith sr and some lower profile guys like Owen Daniels, Daryl smith which considering we don't often splash the cash in free agency is a pretty impressive haul

there is a reason everyone outside of Baltimore thinks Ozzie and Eric are the best in the business and it's because they are

Are you kidding me?  what are you smoking?  the last draft, i would hope it was decent- we had like 50 picks...