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[News] Ravens Want Ryan Mallett Back, But Keeping An Eye On Backup QB Market

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Baltimore needs a quality backup quarterback now that Ryan Mallett is headed for unrestricted free agency. Head Coach John Harbaugh said there are veterans out there, and the team could look to the draft to find a No. 2 behind Joe Flacco.

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I believe Flaccos development was better early on with Cam Cameron and a very experienced Marc Bulger as backup. If you look at Flacco from his rookie year through 2012 there was a clear progression of skills. However, since then, along with the half dozen or so OC's he has had, his knee injury and having Taylor who really had nothing to offer to Flacco, he has regressed. Flacco needs a vet he can look up to which is certainly not Ryan Mallett. And as far as Mohrningweg is concerned, regardless of the reason for keeping him, I think Flacco will progress by having the same OC and the same system for two years in a row. I think they are doing Flacco a disservice by not getting a qb coach and having Mohrningweg do two jobs.

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I believe Flaccos development was better early on with Cam Cameron and a very experienced Marc Bulger as backup. If you look at Flacco from his rookie year through 2012 there was a clear progression of skills. However, since then, along with the half dozen or so OC's he has had, his knee injury and having Taylor who really had nothing to offer to Flacco, he has regressed. Flacco needs a vet he can look up to which is certainly not Ryan Mallett. And as far as Mohrningweg is concerned, regardless of the reason for keeping him, I think Flacco will progress by having the same OC and the same system for two years in a row. I think they are doing Flacco a disservice by not getting a qb coach and having Mohrningweg do two jobs.

Bulger was only here for 2010. Taylor was with the team in 2011 and 2012 and both of those years we were pretty good. Youre grasping at straws again my friend.

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I believe Flaccos development was better early on with Cam Cameron and a very experienced Marc Bulger as backup. If you look at Flacco from his rookie year through 2012 there was a clear progression of skills. However, since then, along with the half dozen or so OC's he has had, his knee injury and having Taylor who really had nothing to offer to Flacco, he has regressed. Flacco needs a vet he can look up to which is certainly not Ryan Mallett. And as far as Mohrningweg is concerned, regardless of the reason for keeping him, I think Flacco will progress by having the same OC and the same system for two years in a row. I think they are doing Flacco a disservice by not getting a qb coach and having Mohrningweg do two jobs.

Flacco needs someone to look up to? Serious? You've got a pretty low opinon about our QB, dude.

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Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

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7 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
 

You really need to quit spewing the same lies.

The Ravens had a very good rate at avoiding 3-and-outs. Of their 192 drives, only 35 ended in a 3-and-out, which is an 18.23% rate and good for 6th best in the league (LINK). That's in front of teams like the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, and even the Patriots who were bottom 6.

Also, the Ravens had a positive TOP on the year and were above-average (12th overall) for the league (LINK). 

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Mallet is fine for the same amount, otherwise some of the other FA, available QB's, would be just as good for that amount. This should be a financial focus, The Ravens are not in the same situation as the Cowboys. We actually have a #1 Quarterback who can play and win games! A back-up QB will be solely reliable on the Ravens ability to run the ball

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keep mallett with same cheap salary or draft JEROD EVANS from Va TECH, he's mobile and can throw, and cheap too.

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58 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

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may be tough to keep mallett at a reasonable cost especially after looking at that list above. gabbert or hoyer?

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  2 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
 

You really need to quit spewing the same lies.

The Ravens had a very good rate at avoiding 3-and-outs. Of their 192 drives, only 35 ended in a 3-and-out, which is an 18.23% rate and good for 6th best in the league (LINK). That's in front of teams like the Packers, Cowboys, Steelers, and even the Patriots who were bottom 6.

Also, the Ravens had a positive TOP on the year and were above-average (12th overall) for the league (LINK). 

I am pretty sure Chuckx is just messing with people or "trolling" as they say. He goes over the same three or four points in every article regardless of what the subject is. And he doesnt ever reply to others responses. Some of the points he makes seem too fanciful to be real. Its almost as if he is going so far over the top to ensure that people will react.

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manziel time baby!! hehehehe

The ulitmate nightmare for a Ravens fan. Manziel signs with the team and then they get picked up for Hard Knocks.

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As good as the Ravens have been at defense over the years...........they've been just as bad at offense....maybe worse. Somebody get a clue eh? It's not even talent and just loading one side is the thing. Our offensive coaching is just Completely inept

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  18 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

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  20 hours ago, TheRavengers said:
  21 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

That would be a huge mistake. Are you really suggesting that we should spend a first or a second on a QB this year? I mean those are the rounds where starting QBs are found? Drafting QBs is a far from a sure thing though. There is less than a 50 percent chance that a QB picked in the first round will be successful and it goes downhill from there. And when you factor in the fact that this is such a weak class in the QB department, taking a QB high just doesn't make sense. We have plenty of other holes that need filling. Wasting a high round pick on a QB isn't an option on the table, but we could take one in the later round. But don't expect a QB taken late to become the heir apparent to Flacco. I also think there is some selective remembrance going on here and yea two years without a playoff run does that (for Ravens fans at least). Flacco had arguably his best season in 2014 which was 2 years after the superbowl.

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I like a good veteran backing up Joe but it mite be time to get a good mobile QB with a rifle for a arming the draft and let him soak up all the experience he can on the sidelines until his number is called and he has to buy into his role or he can kick rocks!

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  5 hours ago, zing21042 said:
  On 3/2/2017 at 1:29 PM, TheRavengers said:
  On 3/2/2017 at 0:39 PM, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

That would be a huge mistake. Are you really suggesting that we should spend a first or a second on a QB this year? I mean those are the rounds where starting QBs are found? Drafting QBs is a far from a sure thing though. There is less than a 50 percent chance that a QB picked in the first round will be successful and it goes downhill from there. And when you factor in the fact that this is such a weak class in the QB department, taking a QB high just doesn't make sense. We have plenty of other holes that need filling. Wasting a high round pick on a QB isn't an option on the table, but we could take one in the later round. But don't expect a QB taken late to become the heir apparent to Flacco. I also think there is some selective remembrance going on here and yea two years without a playoff run does that (for Ravens fans at least). Flacco had arguably his best season in 2014 which was 2 years after the superbowl.

1) Where did I say that we should use a first round pick on a QB?
2) We have had quite a few first round picks that have been busts and they were not QBs.
3) Nothing is a "sure thing. On defense we have been just as successful with undrafted FA as we have been with early draft picks.
4) Great. Flacco had another stellar year...but his completion percentage was mediocre that year also. What about the plethora of lackluster years?
5) We can agree to disagree...but we need some young blood. Flacco will not be our solution going forward.

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1 hour ago, zing21042 said:

1) Where did I say that we should use a first round pick on a QB?
2) We have had quite a few first round picks that have been busts and they were not QBs.
3) Nothing is a "sure thing. On defense we have been just as successful with undrafted FA as we have been with early draft picks.
4) Great. Flacco had another stellar year...but his completion percentage was mediocre that year also. What about the plethora of lackluster years?
5) We can agree to disagree...but we need some young blood. Flacco will not be our solution going forward.

You would have to use a high rounder in order in order to increase the odds of him actually becoming a successful starter.  Once the fourth round comes around it's going to be slim pickins as far as quarterbacks go.  I was under the impression your goal was to draft a guy that would be able to take the reigns from Joe in the next few year, but if the type of young blood you are looking for is in the last 3 rounds you may get be in luck.  Taking a QB then is actually a plausible scenario, but statistically the chances that he takes over the starting gig from Flacco are very very small. And yes Flacco will be our QB for this year and most likely the next and most likely the year after that.  Im warning you ahead of time so you dont get disapointed.

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  9 hours ago, billiejean said:
  13 hours ago, zing21042 said:
  On 3/2/2017 at 1:29 PM, TheRavengers said:
  On 3/2/2017 at 0:39 PM, Chuckx999 said:

Lets keep Ryan Mallett. He's not ever going to be a Tom Brady, but he's the same as "old 3 and out Flacco" and he's cheap.
We need CB, LB, Edge and a RB. The TE Howard would be SUPER but we all know Ozzie isn't that smart anymore.

I guess that's way Mallett is on his 3rd team in 7 seasons, after getting kicked off the Texans in mid-season.

Playing the devil's advocate, I think we should start looking farther ahead than one year. Since the SB, Flacco's performance has been lackluster at best. Even that year, his play-off performance was exceptional, but his performance during the regular season was...OK.

I think we need to start grooming a young QB to take over, rather than "fill-in" for Flacco. The Flaccman has engendered some bad habits over the past few years that we will see again next year. He had weapons last year but did not use them because his mantra became "Checkdown Charlie". Expect to see that next year as well. Flacco has lost the ability to survey and look down field. He has become more concerned with getting hit. Unlike other QBs, Flacco needs and takes a lot of time in the pocket that our offensive line cannot give him. I do not blame the line...they give him enough time, just not as much as he needs.

We require some young, hungry blood that is not afraid of taking risks. Clearly, that is not Flacco. It may have been at one time, but no longer. I am all for a draft pick; high or low and start distancing ourselves from loosers. Of note, Brady, Rothlesberger, Prescott, Cunningham, Rivers, Steve Young, Doug Flutie....the list is long of young back-up QBs who displaced their "first string QBs" and went on to great careers. The time is ripe for the Ravens to follow suit.

That would be a huge mistake. Are you really suggesting that we should spend a first or a second on a QB this year? I mean those are the rounds where starting QBs are found? Drafting QBs is a far from a sure thing though. There is less than a 50 percent chance that a QB picked in the first round will be successful and it goes downhill from there. And when you factor in the fact that this is such a weak class in the QB department, taking a QB high just doesn't make sense. We have plenty of other holes that need filling. Wasting a high round pick on a QB isn't an option on the table, but we could take one in the later round. But don't expect a QB taken late to become the heir apparent to Flacco. I also think there is some selective remembrance going on here and yea two years without a playoff run does that (for Ravens fans at least). Flacco had arguably his best season in 2014 which was 2 years after the superbowl.

1) Where did I say that we should use a first round pick on a QB?
2) We have had quite a few first round picks that have been busts and they were not QBs.
3) Nothing is a "sure thing. On defense we have been just as successful with undrafted FA as we have been with early draft picks.
4) Great. Flacco had another stellar year...but his completion percentage was mediocre that year also. What about the plethora of lackluster years?
5) We can agree to disagree...but we need some young blood. Flacco will not be our solution going forward.

Don't even sweat it. Billiejean is a certified flacco homer. He will defend Joe even if he throws for 1TD/1INT every game for the whole season. Oh wait....joe almost did last year...

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I would like to draft Chad Kelly for backup QB. He has a laser accurate arm and can thread the needle. He looks over all his targets and has full confidence in very tough throughs. Some end up ints but most often end up as wow throws. He threads defenses on throws that none of his peers in this class would even attempt. He is very competitive. He has some off field incidents but no DV. He could be drafted in round4 or later. 

If a good QB guru gets him focused he could be the steal of his class. Ravens should pick him up in round 4. His skill level is similar to Derek Carr. But he has the legit athleticism to take it 50 yards.

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12 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Don't even sweat it. Billiejean is a certified flacco homer. He will defend Joe even if he throws for 1TD/1INT every game for the whole season. Oh wait....joe almost did last year...

 

SPOILER ALERT

I am a realist my friend and I think that you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.  I know that cutting Joe, forcing Joe to take a pay cut, trading Joe, or drafting a guy early to compete with Joe for the 2017 are a popular ideas thrown around in this forum.  And because of this popularity it may seem like at least one of the aforementioned actions is inevitable. But, contrary to popular belief, the F.O. does not look at the comment sections on its website in order to determine what moves to make next.  I certainly wouldn't consider myself a Flacco apologist (he can be beyond frustrating at times) as much as I would consider myself a person of logical \ rational \ pragmatic thought.  My condolences to those of you who haven't come to this reality before reading this.  I will keep you in my prayers.  

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1 hour ago, billiejean said:

 

SPOILER ALERT

I am a realist my friend and I think that you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment.  I know that cutting Joe, forcing Joe to take a pay cut, trading Joe, or drafting a guy early to compete with Joe for the 2017 are a popular ideas thrown around in this forum.  And because of this popularity it may seem like at least one of the aforementioned actions is inevitable. But, contrary to popular belief, the F.O. does not look at the comment sections on its website in order to determine what moves to make next.  I certainly wouldn't consider myself a Flacco apologist (he can be beyond frustrating at times) as much as I would consider myself a person of logical \ rational \ pragmatic thought.  My condolences to those of you who haven't come to this reality before reading this.  I will keep you in my prayers.  

I believe Joe Flacco is a top6 QB as much as anybody. IF he is protected with an elite line and allowed to comfortably glide through his receivers, set and throw. He slings it as good and accurate as anybody. However he needs that comfort in the pocket. It is the difference in him an elite QB and an average QB. 

However, if the line isn't upgraded and Joe could struggle again. If he struggles this year anybody thinking he is the unchallenged leader is not being honest with yourself. No matter how much money he is being paid. A mike Glennon, AJ McCarron,Webb, Kizer Mahomes will be brought in to push him. If Flacco lays an egg through 8 games and a Chad Kelly comes in and lights it up. Harbaugh will not be able to go back to Joe Flacco. The hailstorm of criticism would be to overbearing. It happened after Bledsoe signed a $100million contract.  If you ever watched the Brady6 then you know he was going to eventually play. 

If Joe Flacco lays an egg. Whomever wants to stand with him as the unchallenged QB is going to be in very lonely company. I will say Joe can still get it done if lays an egg while he is not supported with a good line and weapons.  But much of our fan base is going to want to try somebody different. Harbaugh will not have any credibility if he even attempts to call him an unquestioned franchise QB. Not while Joe Flacco is laying his third egg in a row.

Which is reason I believe this draft will be more offensively laced than many fans think. Management has to know Flacco plays vastly superior when his protection dominates. It is not only the season that hangs in the balance but Joe's massive contract will look Bad bad BAD. Management that gave him the extension after a terrible year will look bad, terrible. I wouldn't rule out signing Marshall and trading for Maclin. He has similar speed as Wallace but is a more complete player and route runner.  Then double dip on the offensive line in the opening 3 rounds. Especially if we lose Wagner to free agency. I'm going to guess we strike a deal this spring. If Wagner signs elsewhere however, ravens will double dip offensive line.

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6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I believe Joe Flacco is a top6 QB as much as anybody. IF he is protected with an elite line and allowed to comfortably glide through his receivers, set and throw. He slings it as good and accurate as anybody. However he needs that comfort in the pocket. It is the difference in him an elite QB and an average QB. 

However, if the line isn't upgraded and Joe could struggle again. If he struggles this year anybody thinking he is the unchallenged leader is not being honest with yourself. No matter how much money he is being paid. A mike Glennon, AJ McCarron,Webb, Kizer Mahomes will be brought in to push him. If Flacco lays an egg through 8 games and a Chad Kelly comes in and lights it up. Harbaugh will not be able to go back to Joe Flacco. The hailstorm of criticism would be to overbearing. It happened after Bledsoe signed a $100million contract.  If you ever watched the Brady6 then you know he was going to eventually play. 

If Joe Flacco lays an egg. Whomever wants to stand with him as the unchallenged QB is going to be in very lonely company. I will say Joe can still get it done if lays an egg while he is not supported with a good line and weapons.  But much of our fan base is going to want to try somebody different. Harbaugh will not have any credibility if he even attempts to call him an unquestioned franchise QB. Not while Joe Flacco is laying his third egg in a row.

Which is reason I believe this draft will be more offensively laced than many fans think. Management has to know Flacco plays vastly superior when his protection dominates. It is not only the season that hangs in the balance but Joe's massive contract will look Bad bad BAD. Management that gave him the extension after a terrible year will look bad, terrible. I wouldn't rule out signing Marshall and trading for Maclin. He has similar speed as Wallace but is a more complete player and route runner.  Then double dip on the offensive line in the opening 3 rounds. Especially if we lose Wagner to free agency. I'm going to guess we strike a deal this spring. If Wagner signs elsewhere however, ravens will double dip offensive line.

The only thing that you have said here which would counter my predictions for this offseason is the bit about Kizer and Mahomes.  Are you suggesting we will draft one of those guys.  They will go in the first 3 rounds and thats not going to happen.  I don't understand how we would bring them in after this year if we didn't draft them. Would we trade for them or are you saying that we would draft a QB similar to them early in next years draft?  Its definitely possible that we draft a QB early in next years draft if things don't go well.  Where in my statement did I say that would not be an option? But if you think Mike Glennon or AJ Mcarron will "push" Joe, that is a bit unrealistic.  Its also not realistic to think that we will bring in Maclin or Marshall in the offseason and thinking we will bring in both is absurd.  The difference between the situation we are in with Joe and Bledsoes situation is that we do not have a QB like Brady waiting in the wings.  I am not even convinced that Bill B knew he had a guy that could play the way Brady has at that time.  But because Brady got a trial run while Bledsoe was hurt it was an easy decision.  I am not sure why you would equate that to the situation that we are in.

 

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34 minutes ago, billiejean said:

The only thing that you have said here which would counter my predictions for this offseason is the bit about Kizer and Mahomes.  Are you suggesting we will draft one of those guys.  They will go in the first 3 rounds and thats not going to happen.  I don't understand how we would bring them in after this year if we didn't draft them. Would we trade for them or are you saying that we would draft a QB similar to them early in next years draft?  Its definitely possible that we draft a QB early in next years draft if things don't go well.  Where in my statement did I say that would not be an option? But if you think Mike Glennon or AJ Mcarron will "push" Joe, that is a bit unrealistic.  Its also not realistic to think that we will bring in Maclin or Marshall in the offseason and thinking we will bring in both is absurd.  The difference between the situation we are in with Joe and Bledsoes situation is that we do not have a QB like Brady waiting in the wings.  I am not even convinced that Bill B knew he had a guy that could play the way Brady has at that time.  But because Brady got a trial run while Bledsoe was hurt it was an easy decision.  I am not sure why you would equate that to the situation that we are in.

 

Yes I was referring to drafting a QB similar. And to say nobody could push joe is absurd. You can't say somebody wouldn't come in here and play well. Somebody very well could. And if you watch the Brady6 you will know Brady was eventually going to play the next time Bledsoe struggled again. Coaches were saying in preseason it is apparent we are playing our second best QB.  If Joe lays an egg it will not take much to push him.

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2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Yes I was referring to drafting a QB similar. And to say nobody could push joe is absurd. You can't say somebody wouldn't come in here and play well. Somebody very well could. And if you watch the Brady6 you will know Brady was eventually going to play the next time Bledsoe struggled again. Coaches were saying in preseason it is apparent we are playing our second best QB.  If Joe lays an egg it will not take much to push him.

I didnt say no one could push Joe. I said Mike Glennon or AJ McCarron are not going to push Joe.  Are you just skimming what I write or something? This is the second time you have taken issue with something I haven't said.

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I said IF Joe lays an egg. Almost anybody could push him. Look at Glennon's numbers on a terrible team looking for offensive line help. He has potential. So yes it is something you said. If Joe lays an egg and has his most shameful season yet, Mallet would be pushing him. You can forget Glennon or McCarron. Play poorly enough don't care who the backup is!

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