[News] Ravens Give 'Very Competitive' Offer To Rick Wagner

[Cawtious]

21 hours ago, billiejean said:

Do you have NFL game pass?

Sunday Ticket, yes.. I also record every game and play them back watching specifically the O-line

Edited March 3 by Cawtious
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[law215]

  22 hours ago, law215 said:

Why do the Ravens wait until the contract is up to offer a very good competitive contract? Why do all our players rather hit free agency?

It just trips me out how teams like the Steelers can keep Brown, Bell, and Big Ben and we struggle to keep guys that are not even pro bowlers.

Well it is a straight forward process. If you know you have a foundational player about to hit FA you pull out all the stops to retain them. If they are a solid player but not a foundational type player, you try to negotiate and they try to negotiate. Testing the market only makes sense to at least get a clear idea of what actual value is going to be.

With the salary cap era, teams cannot simply go out and offer huge contracts to every FA. This is also why comp picks exist. They serve to offset the inevitability of parting ways with some of the "homegrown" talent. Basically a small reward for bolstering the talent in the league and to help cover the loss; if you draft well.

It just trips me out how teams like the Steelers can keep Brown, Bell, and Big Ben and we struggle to keep guys that are not even pro bowlers.

It is much harder to replace Pro Bowl caliber talent. Not sure why you would be upset with not being foolish. Steelers fan trolling?!

My point is we don't have any stars the caliber of the Steelers big 3, so why can we not afford to pay good young talent. Other teams with high priced QBs are doing that. There are 2 reason I think the Ravens are not able to. First, poor drafts forced them to sign free agents which are more expensive then guys playing on the field for 4-5 years on a rookie deal. Second, I think the Ravens have a lot of money tied to average to below average players J Smith, Webb , Lewis etc.

The compensatory picks mean nothing it they don't use them to move around in the draft to get playmakers which the Ravens lack.

[sizzlingdoom]

  21 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  22 hours ago, usmccharles said:

  22 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

I hear ya. Makes sense. Him just putting Decosta is lame, but at least it's not half as lame as some of these other users that just put others down while they pretend what others say is "wrong". When 99% of the stuff put on here is opinion. People like rmcjacket and Conquerworm. Unfortunately I stooped to their level after seeing their numerous disgusting responses to others just harmlessly posting their 2 cents. I'll just feel bad for those 2 sad users instead. We're all ravens fans here. Obviously. Even if we disagree, we should be able to discuss that decently. In fact, when people disagree it usually makes for a more interesting discussion, if a discussion in fact is what it is.
The KO thing we do disagree on. It happens.
The Wright thing is the most frustrating thing I've seen in years. It 's probably even worse than letting Q go. Maybe. The contract was one thing. Relying on him going into the season is another. Even another thing that he gets torched worse than just about any corner has ever in weeks 2-6 or so. BUT THEN, we bring him back, AND he's guarding AB in Pittsburgh with the entire season on the line.
The coaching wasn't just awful last year, it really was embarrassing. Unreal that Steve brought these coaches back. Especially when Shannahan was available. Would've been the very best thing that could've happened to Flacco and the Ravens

I am a little different on the Q thing because from what i remember, without trading Q we couldnt have landed Doom, maybe im wrong.  But what made no sense to me is that the FO traded Joe's go to guy after giving him the massive contract and didnt bring anyone in to help.  I believe our FO has lacked giving Joe enough talent around him.  Just look at the collection of talent we had on offense in our SB year, we didnt have any elite WR but we had a collection of guys that did great and we also had a great RB.  I think the RB position is key to our success, more than most. 

Honestly, Decosta knows more about football than anyone on here, so its kind of a compliment, i  just stating his lack of effort to form a competent response. 

Yeah, what's crazy to me is even after as many whiffs as we've had for several year running now in the high rounds, and bad signings, and all that. We still easily had at least the second most talented roster in the AFC last year. Yet we didn't make the playoffs. Solely because of coaching imo. But I think it's borderline fact too. Just so disheartening. Not to mention they ALL come back, except for the one awesome coach, Frazier. Just a massive bummer

Yeah couldn't disagree with this more. We have major talent issues all over our roster. In particular, I think it would be largely difficult to name many talented players on our roster under the age of 30 at the moment, which is a MAJOR problem.

The biggest difference between us and Pittsburgh last year was playmakers and talent. Their offense is riddled with All-World and above average players at nearly every position. Ours is pretty much the exact opposite.

Like nobody realistically looks at our roster compared to a Pittsburgh, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. and thinks that we are on the same playing field. Just because you play those teams tight doesn't mean you're as good as them.

and we completely disagree. what else is new

[OzzieBisciotti]

The last time we gave KO a "competitive offer" he was very offended and didn't want to negotiate with us any more.

[OzzieBisciotti]

  On 3/2/2017 at 9:12 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

  On 3/2/2017 at 3:46 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 3/2/2017 at 3:38 AM, usmccharles said:

  On 3/2/2017 at 3:20 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

I hear ya. Makes sense. Him just putting Decosta is lame, but at least it's not half as lame as some of these other users that just put others down while they pretend what others say is "wrong". When 99% of the stuff put on here is opinion. People like rmcjacket and Conquerworm. Unfortunately I stooped to their level after seeing their numerous disgusting responses to others just harmlessly posting their 2 cents. I'll just feel bad for those 2 sad users instead. We're all ravens fans here. Obviously. Even if we disagree, we should be able to discuss that decently. In fact, when people disagree it usually makes for a more interesting discussion, if a discussion in fact is what it is.
The KO thing we do disagree on. It happens.
The Wright thing is the most frustrating thing I've seen in years. It 's probably even worse than letting Q go. Maybe. The contract was one thing. Relying on him going into the season is another. Even another thing that he gets torched worse than just about any corner has ever in weeks 2-6 or so. BUT THEN, we bring him back, AND he's guarding AB in Pittsburgh with the entire season on the line.
The coaching wasn't just awful last year, it really was embarrassing. Unreal that Steve brought these coaches back. Especially when Shannahan was available. Would've been the very best thing that could've happened to Flacco and the Ravens

I am a little different on the Q thing because from what i remember, without trading Q we couldnt have landed Doom, maybe im wrong.  But what made no sense to me is that the FO traded Joe's go to guy after giving him the massive contract and didnt bring anyone in to help.  I believe our FO has lacked giving Joe enough talent around him.  Just look at the collection of talent we had on offense in our SB year, we didnt have any elite WR but we had a collection of guys that did great and we also had a great RB.  I think the RB position is key to our success, more than most. 

Honestly, Decosta knows more about football than anyone on here, so its kind of a compliment, i  just stating his lack of effort to form a competent response. 

Yeah, what's crazy to me is even after as many whiffs as we've had for several year running now in the high rounds, and bad signings, and all that. We still easily had at least the second most talented roster in the AFC last year. Yet we didn't make the playoffs. Solely because of coaching imo. But I think it's borderline fact too. Just so disheartening. Not to mention they ALL come back, except for the one awesome coach, Frazier. Just a massive bummer

Yeah couldn't disagree with this more. We have major talent issues all over our roster. In particular, I think it would be largely difficult to name many talented players on our roster under the age of 30 at the moment, which is a MAJOR problem.

The biggest difference between us and Pittsburgh last year was playmakers and talent. Their offense is riddled with All-World and above average players at nearly every position. Ours is pretty much the exact opposite.

Like nobody realistically looks at our roster compared to a Pittsburgh, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. and thinks that we are on the same playing field. Just because you play those teams tight doesn't mean you're as good as them.

and we completely disagree. what else is new

Steelers have Antonio Brown- we have Kamar Aiken. Pittsburgh has Rothlesberger - we have Flacco. Pittsburgh has Le'Veon Bell - we have Terrance West.

Enough said. Our roster sucks and lacks star power

[usmccharles]

37 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Steelers have Antonio Brown- we have Kamar Aiken. Pittsburgh has Rothlesberger - we have Flacco. Pittsburgh has Le'Veon Bell - we have Terrance West.

Enough said. Our roster sucks and lacks star power

Our roster doesn't suck, but its definitely lacking the playmakers needed to contend with a team like Pitt and NE

[Adreme]

15 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Our roster doesn't suck, but its definitely lacking the playmakers needed to contend with a team like Pitt and NE

That seems sillly when the Ravens BEAT Pitt earlier in the year and almost beat them later in the year without there best defensive player.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, Adreme said:

That seems sillly when the Ravens BEAT Pitt earlier in the year and almost beat them later in the year without there best defensive player.

I know, right. 

[RavensFanMania]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Our roster doesn't suck, but its definitely lacking the playmakers needed to contend with a team like Pitt and NE

Yet we have beaten the Steelers 4 of the last 6 times we have played them.  I do agree we need more star power though

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Yet we have beaten the Steelers 4 of the last 6 times we have played them.  I do agree we need more star power though

Im merely saying we dont have elite players such as a Gronk, Bell, Brown etc.  I guess i shouldnt have put Pitt there. 

[RavensFanMania]

22 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Im merely saying we dont have elite players such as a Gronk, Bell, Brown etc.  I guess i shouldnt have put Pitt there. 

Yes, I understand wha you were saying

[rmcjacket23]

  14 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Our roster doesn't suck, but its definitely lacking the playmakers needed to contend with a team like Pitt and NE

That seems sillly when the Ravens BEAT Pitt earlier in the year and almost beat them later in the year without there best defensive player.

I mean thats great, but that's also just playing that team head to head. There's a reason why they won two more games than we did, and its not because they split with us in the regular season.

Having the talent to compete with a team is more than just winning a single game against them. Its about consistency and being able to beat the teams you need to beat to put yourself in that position.

As others have said, we're a better defensive team than the Steelers but they are a better offensive team. That works for now, but we're also quickly aging on the defensive side of the ball, while they are extremely young in that area.

Long term, I'd rather have their side.

[rmcjacket23]

  On 3/2/2017 at 0:08 AM, Ravenous_Ravens said:

  On 3/1/2017 at 8:50 PM, law215 said:

Why do the Ravens wait until the contract is up to offer a very good competitive contract? Why do all our players rather hit free agency?

It just trips me out how teams like the Steelers can keep Brown, Bell, and Big Ben and we struggle to keep guys that are not even pro bowlers.

Well it is a straight forward process. If you know you have a foundational player about to hit FA you pull out all the stops to retain them. If they are a solid player but not a foundational type player, you try to negotiate and they try to negotiate. Testing the market only makes sense to at least get a clear idea of what actual value is going to be.

With the salary cap era, teams cannot simply go out and offer huge contracts to every FA. This is also why comp picks exist. They serve to offset the inevitability of parting ways with some of the "homegrown" talent. Basically a small reward for bolstering the talent in the league and to help cover the loss; if you draft well.

It just trips me out how teams like the Steelers can keep Brown, Bell, and Big Ben and we struggle to keep guys that are not even pro bowlers.

It is much harder to replace Pro Bowl caliber talent. Not sure why you would be upset with not being foolish. Steelers fan trolling?!

My point is we don't have any stars the caliber of the Steelers big 3, so why can we not afford to pay good young talent. Other teams with high priced QBs are doing that. There are 2 reason I think the Ravens are not able to. First, poor drafts forced them to sign free agents which are more expensive then guys playing on the field for 4-5 years on a rookie deal. Second, I think the Ravens have a lot of money tied to average to below average players J Smith, Webb , Lewis etc.

The compensatory picks mean nothing it they don't use them to move around in the draft to get playmakers which the Ravens lack.

1. In the Steelers defense, they are extremely young on defense, and have very little financial commitments tied up there. Part of that is because they are young, and part of it is because they don't have a ton of talent on defense either to pay top money to. We do, though some of those players are aging.

2. Comp picks don't need to be traded to be effective. If we're getting 4th and 5th round comp picks every year, we can use those picks to get starting caliber players. They don't have to be playmakers.

At the end of the day, the Steelers still have 53 men on their active roster, and MAYBE 5 of them you would consider to be "playmakers"? And that's probably being generous, as outside of Shazier, I don't see any playmakers on their defense.

So they've still got 48 other players on their roster that aren't playmakers. But most of them aren't bad players either, and that's the key. You don't need to trade 3-4 draft picks to get a playmaker. If a comp pick yields us a 4 year starter at LG who plays pretty well, I'm very happy with that. If it nets us a #2 or #3 corner for 4 years, I'm good with that.

[Chuckx999]

This team didn't thinking keeping Osemele was a good idea so why would it give top dollar to Wagner? The front office is in need of upgrading. Ozzie just doesn't have it anymore. Look at our last 4-5 drafts, just poor pick after poor pick.

[RavensFanMania]

13 minutes ago, Chuckx999 said:

This team didn't thinking keeping Osemele was a good idea so why would it give top dollar to Wagner? The front office is in need of upgrading. Ozzie just doesn't have it anymore. Look at our last 4-5 drafts, just poor pick after poor pick.

The front office wasn't going to pay KO LT money, whether they had it or not.  They were tighter against the cap last year then they are this year.  Now next year is when we start to get some cap relief and they will need it to extend Jernigan and Mosely.

Edited March 4 by RavensFanMania