[News] What Mike Mayock's Gut Tells Him Ravens Will Do At No. 16

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

I agree, if those top 8 are available I think the Ravens have to pull the trigger, hopefully they fall, which could happen. If not, the Ravens should be able to get a very quality starter in the first. According to the mock drafts, which don't mean much. I think we could come away with one of the best o line man in the draft, and a very quality corner in the second, assuming that the draft is very deep at that position. The Ravens have many holes which need to be filled, but given their draft history, I think corner and O line needs to be sured up. We do well with with D linemen and line backers. Lets not even talk about about wide receiver. I really advocated for corner back last year in wanting to draft Hargreaves, but I can't be mad at Stanely, who should hopefully man the blind side for 4 more years. Conclusion, I hope they resign Wagner. Brandon Williams is not better than Snacks, nor should he paid as much. It's a pass happy league anyway, so I feel more value should go to Wagner. We have guys to rotate in if Williams leaves, the same can't be said about our tackle position.
 

I agree here completely. Especially with our ability to draft WRs 😆 The only one that could overcome the Ravens WR curse would be M. Williams and that is because he is a physically gifted freak. 

We have been called a linebacker factory and we are very good at defensive lineman too so with this amount of depth, we could easily pluck starters well into the 4th round. 

The two players that I absolutely pray we get are Sidney Jones or Barnett. I think they get picked right before us by Indy and philly but I hope Ozzie makes a move to get one if that were to happen. 

[KidNme]

I think this will be one of our hardest drafts yet. We have so many needs that it would be almost impossible to tell which way we'll go and either way we do go, we'll need more than one guy to be a starter, if we expect to better our 8-8 record from last season. Are we going to push to get younger at key positions or will we sign vets to fill those holes? With all the "special" guys we've put on Special teams over the years, those guys should be putting up some points! We can all remember the "Name" guys we've stashed on the PS and ST and our big bust picks but there's a dozen or more that I've forgotten their names over the last 2 years and I wonder what ever happened to them and are they still on our team somewhere?

[J.O.14]

Pairing Reuben Foster up with CJ Mosley would be deadly. Foster is an animal who is great against the run and pass and has great football instincts. He would bring a nasty mentality to our defense which I think we need.

[Chuckx999]

Reuben Foster, Tim Williams or Takkarist McKinley would be super, but our secondary is one of the worst in the NFL. If they could get one of the three listed above then trade late round draft picks to move up and get a CB we would almost be there. I would still like to trade up and try for TE Howard. We have plenty of TE bench warmers and Watson who hasn't even played. Time to cut like hell and go young with SPEED.

[rmcjacket23]

Unless those guys are academic scholars that go to church 5 times a week, you can cross them off the list.

This post has zero basis whatsoever.

[Bob21043]

Well, this year, with so many needs on the team, if Ozzie sticks with his "best player available" mantra, we should pick up a quality player/starter in a position of need anyway by default. :)

[ellicottraven]

5 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

I made the same argument last year with zeek and the year before with gurley and Gordon as those players are worth a team changing its offseason direction because they instantly demand a stacked box. I agree that Founette is of that mold if he drops but I'm not sure if Cook is in the same class as the other 4 mentioned. 

Well like with most prospects there are disagreements about how good Cook is. But the consensus seems to be he's going to be great. But, we need to seal the deal with either of these if one is available. Otherwise we can't keep up with the AFC North.

[RaRaRavens]

Talking about drafts, remember when we drafted OT Harewood one spot before the Steelers drafted Brown?

We went with Harewood, who was another "high IQ, great character" player but (surprise-surprise) managed to play only in handful of games, instead of Brown, who had some character issues but is now the top dog among WRs.

Another CLASSIC draft fail from our FO, and pretty much the entire story ever since Harbaugh arrived. I know-I know, Oz pulls the trigger on draft day, but for some reason Oz has started drafting discreet, smart players and turned away badboys with huge upside and chip on their shoulder, because they have "character concerns" ever since Harbaugh got here.

And that is precisely how we have ended up being probably one of the most timid and mild teams in the NFL, both sides of the ball.

Edited February 28 by RaRaRavens
Grammar

[Drew P]

They can spin a wheel and have it land on any position and they damn sure will need to fill that position...sad state of affairs but true story.

[gregob56]

Whose gut is telling him to do what? Kiper or Mayock?

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, RaRaRavens said:

Talking about drafts, remember when we drafted OT Harewood one spot before the Steelers drafted Brown?

We went with Harewood, who was another "high IQ, great character" player but (surprise-surprise) managed to play only in handful of games, instead of Brown, who had some character issues but is now the top dog among WRs.

Another CLASSIC draft fail from our FO, and pretty much the entire story ever since Harbaugh arrived. I know-I know, Oz pulls the trigger on draft day, but for some reason Oz has started drafting discreet, smart players and turned away badboys with huge upside and chip on their shoulder, because they have "character concerns" ever since Harbaugh got here.

And that is precisely how we have ended up being probably one of the most timid and mild teams in the NFL, both sides of the ball.

Outstanding hindsight analysis.

Life is so much fun to diagnose when you get to know what the future is ain't it?

Its even funnier with a guy like Brown, whom 32 NFL teams (including the Steelers) passed on multiple times.

I mean even Pittsburgh thought Jason Worilds, Emmanuel Sanders, Thaddeus Gibson, Chris Scott, Crezdon Butler and Jonathan Dwyer would be better football players.

I guess they whiffed too.

[Raven in ATL]

what my gut tells me? they'll trade back to get more picks, and blow another recent draft

[Crusader]

Those 1st and 2nd round 2013 draft picks are coming back and biting this team in the butt now. Instead of moving forward they have to retreat a fix areas they should not have had to. The only way this team gets back into contention with the big boys is if the scouts find 7 or 8 really good guys like Zack Orr not in the draft.

[leziRav]

3 hours ago, Bob21043 said:

Well, this year, with so many needs on the team, if Ozzie sticks with his "best player available" mantra, we should pick up a quality player/starter in a position of need anyway by default.

Honnestly i think we don' t have many needs. We only need to fix our pass defense( DB and pass rusher) and upgrade our OL. Other than that we can get playmaker at skill positions.

[leziRav]

12 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Realistically, there are only a handful of absolutely can't miss prospects at 16. excluding unrealistic options, For me, they are: 

Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams, Reuben Foster, Mike Williams, Fournette, Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones and Marshon Lattimore. 

Cook and Davis are borderline can't miss. But it depends on the offers made to trade back. 

Its in our best interest to land plug and play stud starters and to acquire as many picks inside the first four rounds. Any of he above players I would trade up 3-4 spots at the cost of a third rounder to get because I think each one is a likely pro bowl/ All-pro waiting to happen.

But if that list is cleared. Let's trade back and I wouldn't even be mad if we did it twice inside the first two rounds to acquire an additional second or a couple of extra third rounders. If we have 4-6 picks in the top 100 picks in this class, we are likely coming into September ready to make some noise. 

At the end of the first there will be a lot of likely talent still sitting there like Gareon Conley, Cam Robinson, Dan Feeney, Budda Baker, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams, Sean McCaffrey, etc. 

we then would have the chance to combine a lot of talent in the second through the third with the trade back. Having the chance to nab talents like Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Desmond King, Kevin King, Pat Eiflein, Tyler Orlosky, Rasul Douglas, D'onta Foreman, Jabrill Peppers, etc.

 

I think I ll put Cook in the list and take Malik Hooker off the list. My only issue with him is that he only has one year as starter under his belt. That could be a bit gambling. However  if none of those guys in your list are there, I would love us to move back and get more 2nd/3rd/4th picks. There is a lot of depth in this year draft. I also won't mind trading some of our TEs for more picks.

[Crusader]

  18 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Realistically, there are only a handful of absolutely can't miss prospects at 16. excluding unrealistic options, For me, they are: 

Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams, Reuben Foster, Mike Williams, Fournette, Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones and Marshon Lattimore. 

Cook and Davis are borderline can't miss. But it depends on the offers made to trade back. 

Its in our best interest to land plug and play stud starters and to acquire as many picks inside the first four rounds. Any of he above players I would trade up 3-4 spots at the cost of a third rounder to get because I think each one is a likely pro bowl/ All-pro waiting to happen.

But if that list is cleared. Let's trade back and I wouldn't even be mad if we did it twice inside the first two rounds to acquire an additional second or a couple of extra third rounders. If we have 4-6 picks in the top 100 picks in this class, we are likely coming into September ready to make some noise. 

At the end of the first there will be a lot of likely talent still sitting there like Gareon Conley, Cam Robinson, Dan Feeney, Budda Baker, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams, Sean McCaffrey, etc. 

we then would have the chance to combine a lot of talent in the second through the third with the trade back. Having the chance to nab talents like Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Desmond King, Kevin King, Pat Eiflein, Tyler Orlosky, Rasul Douglas, D'onta Foreman, Jabrill Peppers, etc.

 

I think I ll put Cook in the list and take Malik Hooker off the list. My only issue with him is that he only has one year as starter under his belt. That could be a bit gambling. However  if none of those guys in your list are there, I would love us to move back and get more 2nd/3rd/4th picks. There is a lot of depth in this year draft. I also won't mind trading some of our TEs for more picks.

I watch Hookers highlights then and watch Elam highlights. Hooker has the knack and the closing speed besides he can stay on his feet. He is going to be fun to watch no matter what team he is on.

[rossihunter2]

On 27/02/2017 at 11:31 PM, ellicottraven said:

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

the only thing is, i think next year's crop of running backs look much better than these guys already, I don't think either of them is worth giving up other picks over either

i think the only way this team goes offense at 16 is if it's a wr, none of the olinemen are worth that pick (feeney could be an option with a trade down), oj howard isn't worth that pick for the ravens given what other talent will be on the board, and i think cook's off field incidents are egregious enough that it would drop him down the ravens board somewhat if not off it at all, fournette is the only guy that i think maybe goes at 16 but in all honesty i don't see him getting past the panthers - and if he is the pick at 16, i'll be honest and say i'd be disappointed at this point - i'd be able to talk myself into the pick but i'd still be disappointed

[sizzlingdoom]

what my gut tells me? they'll trade back to get more picks, and blow another recent draft

That would screw us for years and years more. Just like it did years ago

[sizzlingdoom]

my gut tells me if Barnett is there at 16 he's our guy.

Me too. I think his 40 time might drop him down to 16

[sizzlingdoom]

Unless those guys are academic scholars that go to church 5 times a week, you can cross them off the list.

LOL

[sizzlingdoom]

  On 2/27/2017 at 3:56 PM, steelcityraven said:

Sidney Jones- CB -Washington (He has good size and can flat out fly 4.33 range)

Marcus Latimore-CB- Ohio State (big physical and very talented CB)

TreDavious White- CB- LSU- (Big -physical-athletic and can be a shut down CB)

I really believe that we will go with one of those guys in RD 1. Unless Cook or Mike Williams fall possibly even Corey Davis.

I think we will take a CB in Rd 1 and Peppers in Round 2.

i love that.Although, ill take budda baker over peppers

I agree with that

[RaRaRavens]

14 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Outstanding hindsight analysis.

Life is so much fun to diagnose when you get to know what the future is ain't it?

Its even funnier with a guy like Brown, whom 32 NFL teams (including the Steelers) passed on multiple times.

I mean even Pittsburgh thought Jason Worilds, Emmanuel Sanders, Thaddeus Gibson, Chris Scott, Crezdon Butler and Jonathan Dwyer would be better football players.

I guess they whiffed too.

If you'd bother to actually think when you read you'd notice that my real issue wasn't with us not taking Brown. It was with our recent draft philosophy of not taking risks by drafting some talented players with "character concerns", and instead going with safe choices who are, no doubt, more comfortable for coaches but often have much lower ceiling talent wise.

[Halshayeji]

18 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Well like with most prospects there are disagreements about how good Cook is. But the consensus seems to be he's going to be great. But, we need to seal the deal with either of these if one is available. Otherwise we can't keep up with the AFC North.

I agree, he does indeed have the potential to be a multiple time pro bowler. But Gurley, Gordon, and Zeek werent just potentially great. The expectation was Franchise changing (similar to Jamal Lewis). Like if this guy falls to you then you change your plans. I'm not sure if Cook is of that mold where we just change our plans and be thankful he fell to us. Also keep in mind this years class of FA running backs. I don't remember a FA class littered with former or potential pro bowlers. A.Peterson, J.Charles, L.Blount, L.Murray, E.Lacy and a few other really good guys worth looking at. 

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

If you'd bother to actually think when you read you'd notice that my real issue wasn't with us not taking Brown. It was with our recent draft philosophy of not taking risks by drafting some talented players with "character concerns", and instead going with safe choices who are, no doubt, more comfortable for coaches but often have much lower ceiling talent wise.

Examples of said players?

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

If you'd bother to actually think when you read you'd notice that my real issue wasn't with us not taking Brown. It was with our recent draft philosophy of not taking risks by drafting some talented players with "character concerns", and instead going with safe choices who are, no doubt, more comfortable for coaches but often have much lower ceiling talent wise.

Examples of said players?

If he remembers the players from previous drafts we passed on with/bc character concerns, his football memory is outrageous. Not possible and a waste of time to do the research. But you know his point is valid and has credence. Off the top of my head, how about passing on Noah Spence......the best pass rusher in the entire draft besides Joey Bosa. He played through a tron labrum and still put up 5.5 sacks and 3 ff. So instead of paying KC to warm the bench, or be inactive on Gameday! We could have an Awesome pass rusher and one less Massive need

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

If he remembers the players from previous drafts we passed on with/bc character concerns, his football memory is outrageous. Not possible and a waste of time to do the research. But you know his point is valid and has credence. Off the top of my head, how about passing on Noah Spence......the best pass rusher in the entire draft besides Joey Bosa. He played through a tron labrum and still put up 5.5 sacks and 3 ff. So instead of paying KC to warm the bench, or be inactive on Gameday! We could have an Awesome pass rusher and one less Massive need

LOL, and this is precisely the response I wanted, because it exposes the arrogance of fans...

When you say that Noah Spence was the 2nd best pass rusher in the draft, what's the basis for that? Because Mel Kiper or Todd McShay said so? What percentage of the fanbase (yourself and myself included) do you think are actually sitting down and watching game tape and extensive film on these players, and have the education/skills/experience to evaluate whether these guys are going to be good players at all? 

I mean do you guys realize literally how frequently the fanbase says "this guy is the best player at his position" in the draft, and that player does next to nothing in the NFL? Are you guys even unaware of how frequently this happens.

There are entire websites devoted to showing just poorly these media "mock draft analysts" evaluate players and how poor some of these NFL teams would be if all they did is to draft the players these "mock analysts" said they should draft.

And I'm not even discounting the fact that NFL teams themselves really aren't any good at this either, which is why the best of the best franchises in terms of drafting hit maybe 40-50% of their draft picks in a given year. 

But its just mind blowing to me the arrogance of some fans to suggest that they're better talent evaluators than NFL teams (despite absolutely zero reason to think that way), and that much of their "told you so" mentality is based on hindsight analysis. Case in point... you referenced something Spence did in 2016 as proof of your point, despite the fact that NFL teams don't have the luxury of waiting until they see the future to make these decisions. 

And we haven't even gotten to the real dilemma fans have, which is that its entirely possible the Ravens just didn't think Spence was a good enough player to choose there. We pretty much know that the FO evaluates players a lot differently than fans do, and this goes all the way back to the beginning of time, when the fanbase didn't think much of Ray Lewis when he was drafted either. Some years the fans are right, most years the FO is right.

This whole "we don't draft players with character concerns" COULD be valid, except there's no possible way you or I could know that, because the FO doesn't tell you why they drafted somebody else over somebody. If they even mention it, its usually in the context of "he was higher on our board", which most of the times is all you need to do.

In the end, this feels like fans trying to justify something they can't understand to themselves. Not that uncommon. 

When you say it would be difficult for him to remember names of players we passed on, its because none of you have any idea why we passed on a player. You may THINK its because of a character concern, because a mock draft analyst told you he was a good player and you don't understand why we passed on him. That's fine if you want to THINK that, but it certainly doesn't mean that's the actual reason. Unless the FO explicitly tells you that "we didn't draft this player because of his off-field concerns", I'm not sure its wise for fans to be hypocritically picking and choosing which players they think are not being chosen because of that, in order to push some narrative.

Just doesn't seem quite like an intelligent stance to be taking.

Edited March 1 by rmcjacket23

[sizzlingdoom]

  20 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

If he remembers the players from previous drafts we passed on with/bc character concerns, his football memory is outrageous. Not possible and a waste of time to do the research. But you know his point is valid and has credence. Off the top of my head, how about passing on Noah Spence......the best pass rusher in the entire draft besides Joey Bosa. He played through a tron labrum and still put up 5.5 sacks and 3 ff. So instead of paying KC to warm the bench, or be inactive on Gameday! We could have an Awesome pass rusher and one less Massive need

LOL, and this is precisely the response I wanted, because it exposes the arrogance of fans...

When you say that Noah Spence was the 2nd best pass rusher in the draft, what's the basis for that? Because Mel Kiper or Todd McShay said so? What percentage of the fanbase (yourself and myself included) do you think are actually sitting down and watching game tape and extensive film on these players, and have the education/skills/experience to evaluate whether these guys are going to be good players at all? 

I mean do you guys realize literally how frequently the fanbase says "this guy is the best player at his position" in the draft, and that player does next to nothing in the NFL? Are you guys even unaware of how frequently this happens.

There are entire websites devoted to showing just poorly these media "mock draft analysts" evaluate players and how poor some of these NFL teams would be if all they did is to draft the players these "mock analysts" said they should draft.

And I'm not even discounting the fact that NFL teams themselves really aren't any good at this either, which is why the best of the best franchises in terms of drafting hit maybe 40-50% of their draft picks in a given year. 

But its just mind blowing to me the arrogance of some fans to suggest that they're better talent evaluators than NFL teams (despite absolutely zero reason to think that way), and that much of their "told you so" mentality is based on hindsight analysis. Case in point... you referenced something Spence did in 2016 as proof of your point, despite the fact that NFL teams don't have the luxury of waiting until they see the future to make these decisions. 

And we haven't even gotten to the real dilemma fans have, which is that its entirely possible the Ravens just didn't think Spence was a good enough player to choose there. We pretty much know that the FO evaluates players a lot differently than fans do, and this goes all the way back to the beginning of time, when the fanbase didn't think much of Ray Lewis when he was drafted either. Some years the fans are right, most years the FO is right.

This whole "we don't draft players with character concerns" COULD be valid, except there's no possible way you or I could know that, because the FO doesn't tell you why they drafted somebody else over somebody. If they even mention it, its usually in the context of "he was higher on our board", which most of the times is all you need to do.

In the end, this feels like fans trying to justify something they can't understand to themselves. Not that uncommon. 

He would've been a top 10 pick without the issues and transfer. You are hilarious though. Obviously you like to hear yourself talk, think you know more than others, and are trying to defend our putrid drafting that even the front office admitted has fallen off a cliff. LOL. Carry on though. LOL. Keep sounding like an ignorant donkey
"In the end, this feels like fans trying to justify something they can't understand to themselves. Understand to themselves.....LOL. Nice."
Even if you had valid points, which you don't, you would still sound like the biggest tool on here. HAHA Carry on though. Keep making yourself feel good. It is entertaining

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

He would've been a top 10 pick without the issues and transfer. You are hilarious though. Obviously you like to hear yourself talk, think you know more than others, and are trying to defend our putrid drafting that even the front office admitted has fallen off a cliff. LOL. Carry on though. LOL. Keep sounding like an ignorant donkey
"In the end, this feels like fans trying to justify something they can't understand to themselves. Understand to themselves.....LOL. Nice."
Even if you had valid points, which you don't, you would still sound like the biggest tool on here. HAHA Carry on though. Keep making yourself feel good. It is entertaining

1. Again, great opinion statement. Nothing that can be vaguely described as factual, and would be lovely if it had any substance or basis to it. But hey, far more fun to make opinion statements and pray that nobody challenge you on them right? 

And perhaps even more funny is that IF what you say were true, and he would actually have been a top 10 pick, then you should probably be spending time on about 25 other teams draft boards mocking them for not gambling on a player with character concerns either, considering he fell from the top 10 to pick 39, which is quite the fall.

Lets assume he would have been picked 10th. That means, if my math is right, that 26 other NFL teams decided not to take him, since he fell from 10 to 39. So are all of those teams against taking players with character concerns also? Is that the logic you are going to go with? Or, again, is it possible that some or all of those teams just didn't think he was going to be that good of a player to pick at that particular pick?

2. Seems quite ironic to accuse somebody else of thinking they know more than others, given that your entire premise is based on the concept that you know how to evaluate players more than NFL FO personnel do. If there's anything certainly worth laughing out loud at, its certainly that notion. Its like the guy wearing his varsity jacket at the Applebees at age 40 who thinks he can still play QB better than half the NFL. 

3. Yeah, because the fans who like to tell themselves bedtime stories about how John just wants "choir boys" and won't take players with "character concerns" aren't telling themselves those fairy tales to make themselves feel better.

Again, just a case of fans trying to justify to themselves something they simply can't understand.

 

Edited March 1 by rmcjacket23

[sizzlingdoom]

  34 minutes ago, sizzlingdoom said:

If he remembers the players from previous drafts we passed on with/bc character concerns, his football memory is outrageous. Not possible and a waste of time to do the research. But you know his point is valid and has credence. Off the top of my head, how about passing on Noah Spence......the best pass rusher in the entire draft besides Joey Bosa. He played through a tron labrum and still put up 5.5 sacks and 3 ff. So instead of paying KC to warm the bench, or be inactive on Gameday! We could have an Awesome pass rusher and one less Massive need

LOL, and this is precisely the response I wanted, because it exposes the arrogance of fans...

When you say that Noah Spence was the 2nd best pass rusher in the draft, what's the basis for that? Because Mel Kiper or Todd McShay said so? What percentage of the fanbase (yourself and myself included) do you think are actually sitting down and watching game tape and extensive film on these players, and have the education/skills/experience to evaluate whether these guys are going to be good players at all? 

I mean do you guys realize literally how frequently the fanbase says "this guy is the best player at his position" in the draft, and that player does next to nothing in the NFL? Are you guys even unaware of how frequently this happens.

There are entire websites devoted to showing just poorly these media "mock draft analysts" evaluate players and how poor some of these NFL teams would be if all they did is to draft the players these "mock analysts" said they should draft.

And I'm not even discounting the fact that NFL teams themselves really aren't any good at this either, which is why the best of the best franchises in terms of drafting hit maybe 40-50% of their draft picks in a given year. 

But its just mind blowing to me the arrogance of some fans to suggest that they're better talent evaluators than NFL teams (despite absolutely zero reason to think that way), and that much of their "told you so" mentality is based on hindsight analysis. Case in point... you referenced something Spence did in 2016 as proof of your point, despite the fact that NFL teams don't have the luxury of waiting until they see the future to make these decisions. 

And we haven't even gotten to the real dilemma fans have, which is that its entirely possible the Ravens just didn't think Spence was a good enough player to choose there. We pretty much know that the FO evaluates players a lot differently than fans do, and this goes all the way back to the beginning of time, when the fanbase didn't think much of Ray Lewis when he was drafted either. Some years the fans are right, most years the FO is right.

This whole "we don't draft players with character concerns" COULD be valid, except there's no possible way you or I could know that, because the FO doesn't tell you why they drafted somebody else over somebody. If they even mention it, its usually in the context of "he was higher on our board", which most of the times is all you need to do.

In the end, this feels like fans trying to justify something they can't understand to themselves. Not that uncommon. 

When you say it would be difficult for him to remember names of players we passed on, its because none of you have any idea why we passed on a player. You may THINK its because of a character concern, because a mock draft analyst told you he was a good player and you don't understand why we passed on him. That's fine if you want to THINK that, but it certainly doesn't mean that's the actual reason. Unless the FO explicitly tells you that "we didn't draft this player because of his off-field concerns", I'm not sure its wise for fans to be hypocritically picking and choosing which players they think are not being chosen because of that, in order to push some narrative.

Just doesn't seem quite like an intelligent stance to be taking.

It's been happening for more than half a decade. Not a year or two which would lead to speculation.
Clearly we're all not as intelligent as you though!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please though, keep informing us. I don't think we could do without your inside info! LOL.
O you pragmatic and realistic fan.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[RaRaRavens]

29 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Examples of said players?

Just to name the first that come to mind:

Justin Houston

Alshon Jeffrey

Vontaze Burfict (Went undrafted, could have had him without wasting a pick. But we didn't even consider him as was reported later. He was an early 1st round projection and our FO (again my gut tells me it was largely due to the opposition from Harbs) didn't even try to get him to our practice squad. And I know what you're gonna say, he's a dirty player who gets flagged a lot, but at least he plays with an edge, is a game changing defender and puts fear into his opponents' hearts. That can't be said about many of our defenders.)

Keenan Allen

Noah Spence