[News] What Mike Mayock's Gut Tells Him Ravens Will Do At No. 16

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The NFL Scouting Combine is about to kick off and players will move up and down the board depending on how they perform, but NFL Network’s Mike Mayock sees the Ravens addressing needs in the front seven.

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[BiggMack91]

at this point we all have no real clue who we are going to draft but we should have a good idea after free agency but as long as they can come in and contribute Ill be happy just hope we don't draft any special teamers and by that I mean guys that pretty much can't play a position very well but are good on special teams like what we did with Reynolds last year I want to see us get some hungry guy that want to compete for a starting job

[ellicottraven]

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

[dirtybird66]

after really going over the top rated corner's there seem's to be either an injury prone or a black mark on any that would fall to us,we need one more good one,but now seeing value in the second and third rounds.

[JimmyBlack]

This is one year that we have so many needs that it's hard to pin down any one area that we will be targeting.

[JimmyBlack]

3 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

Elliott sure helped to transform the Cowboys offense last year.

Edited February 28 by JimmyBlack

[ravens4life86]

Pass Rush all day.. 1st pick Barnett,Mckinley,S.Thomas, Williams, Charlton etc
Rnd 2 CB- Lewis,Awuzie,White,Tankersley,Jones, etc
Rnd 3 2picks- Ilbr Raekwon McMillion, Anthony Walker, Kendall Beckwith, OL Taylor Moton, Nico Siragusa, etc

If in the 1st 4 picks, which is 3 rounds.. all which should be starters Oz and company can get a gamewrecker pass rusher rnd 1, another long athletic, but durable shutdown type Man CB in Jimmy Smith/ Chris McAlister mold round 2, Round 3 plug 2 holes, Starting caliber ilbr to fill Orrs spot, Oline help. Or other option.. WR and more Dline or Secondary especially if they lose B.Williams or cut Webb

[steelcityraven]

Sidney Jones- CB -Washington (He has good size and can flat out fly 4.33 range)

Marcus Latimore-CB- Ohio State (big physical and very talented CB)

TreDavious White- CB- LSU- (Big -physical-athletic and can be a shut down CB)

I really believe that we will go with one of those guys in RD 1. Unless Cook or Mike Williams fall possibly even Corey Davis.

I think we will take a CB in Rd 1 and Peppers in Round 2.

[BMORE21]

16 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

Sidney Jones- CB -Washington (He has good size and can flat out fly 4.33 range)

Marcus Latimore-CB- Ohio State (big physical and very talented CB)

TreDavious White- CB- LSU- (Big -physical-athletic and can be a shut down CB)

I really believe that we will go with one of those guys in RD 1. Unless Cook or Mike Williams fall possibly even Corey Davis.

I think we will take a CB in Rd 1 and Peppers in Round 2.

i love that.Although, ill take budda baker over peppers

[bigcatfrank1]

Big Cats Big Board-
Round 1- top 3 at 16 Sidney Jones CB, Taco Charlton DT, Dalvin Cook RB
Round 2- top 3 at 48 Pat Elflein C, Ryan Ramczyk T, M. Humphrey CB, Teez Tabor CB,
Round 3 2-picks- Dan Feeney OG, Desmond King S, C. Tankersley CB-
Ravens will get 2 of the last 6 shown if left on the board.
Round 4- Isiah Ford WR, Chad Hansen WR, Demarcus Walker DE, Chris Wormley DE

So my picks for the first 5
#1 Round 1- Sidney Jones CB or Taco Charlton DT
#2 Round 2- Pat Elflein Center,
#3 Round 3- Desmond King S,
#4 Round 3- anyone 2,3 or 4 left on board above(favoring CB if no Jones or CB)
#5 Round 4- Demarcus Walker DE or top 3-4 left on the board above

[hiker040]

Bisciotti is the boss and he wants the Ravens going back to the running game! Accordingly, Ravens should use their 1st pick on Cook or Fornette. If neither is available, they should pick Feeney, or maybe even trade down for him. This is because Feeney is ready to play and a good guard can enable West and Lewis to put up Ezekiel Elliott numbers.

[billiejean]

Big Cats Big Board-
Round 1- top 3 at 16 Sidney Jones CB, Taco Charlton DT, Dalvin Cook RB
Round 2- top 3 at 48 Pat Elflein C, Ryan Ramczyk T, M. Humphrey CB, Teez Tabor CB,
Round 3 2-picks- Dan Feeney OG, Desmond King S, C. Tankersley CB-
Ravens will get 2 of the last 6 shown if left on the board.
Round 4- Isiah Ford WR, Chad Hansen WR, Demarcus Walker DE, Chris Wormley DE

So my picks for the first 5
#1 Round 1- Sidney Jones CB or Taco Charlton DT
#2 Round 2- Pat Elflein Center,
#3 Round 3- Desmond King S,
#4 Round 3- anyone 2,3 or 4 left on board above(favoring CB if no Jones or CB)
#5 Round 4- Demarcus Walker DE or top 3-4 left on the board above

The only issue with your predictions is that as of now Demarcus Walker is projected to get picked in the second round. Desmond is in the same boat. He is projected to get picked in the second or the first.

[Ravensfan23]

2 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

I agree with this. Right now i'm going between Cook and Barnett as the 16th pick. 

Cook would do wonders for this offense. This might not be a popular thought but the Ravens structure their team a lot like the Steelers do. If Cook is there i promise you everyone inside the Ravens war room will be thinking about the impact that Bell has in that Steelers offense. Cook is a homerun hitter in every since of the word and would really open the Ravens offense up. I don't think he's a work horse nor should he be. Cook and Dixon would be a great 1-2 punch. 10-15 carries per game for those guys would provide a night thunder and lighting style of running to this offense. Then of course that would just open up the play action game for guys like Perriman and Moore on the outside. The offense will operate off the run game and be built through the TEs. Having a guy like Cook who the defense will have to respect every play would be huge. Same goes for Fournette.

I think Barnett might just be the best pass rusher in this draft. He's a complete edge player and reminds me so much of Suggs coming to the Ravens from ASU. I don't think he'll test well as the combine and slide down the board as a result. There are some that don't like him and feel his production won't translate to the NFL but I don't share those concerns. I think he comes in day 1 and starts on the opposite of Suggs, learning the Ravens Way from Suggs before taking over as the top dog in 2018. He's the type of pass rusher that will make other guys better because he'll command double teams and for olines to account for him. The same way the Ravens were able to quickly replace Ray in the middle with CJ, I think they're able to replace Suggs with Barnett. He's gonna be a nightmare for QBs, I just hope he does it in a Ravens uniform. 

[glen ferguson]

my gut tells me if Barnett is there at 16 he's our guy.

[designermaryland]

If they pass on drafting a CB this high, and draft their 12th interior D lineman or a backup 4th WR, I will not be surprised. The entire front office lacks and insight or self evaluation skills, clearly proven now with 8 or 9 years since drafting an all pro talent at any round. They have proven to be able to find solid interior line guys almost anywhere, (Pierce, Williams, Jernigan) but they cannot sniff a good DB if they smack them in the face. Finding a reason you would not want to take 1 of the top 3 guys this year would be beyond inept. The best player available philosophy is clearly backfiring. The fact that a running back is even being considered is clear evidence these doofuses are beer goggled for some magic fairy dust that is going to fix their pathetic lack of on field coaching. Gayle Sayers could not run behind this O line. They run the ball about 8 times a game. Unless you shore up the line, that would be absolutely useless.

[Orphan45]

Wait, the article is about what Mike Mayock thinks, right? Why did you reference that Kiper thinks the Ravens will go after someone on the front seven?

[balfan23]

Wait, the article is about what Mike Mayock thinks, right? Why did you reference that Kiper thinks the Ravens will go after someone on the front seven?

They are saying that Mayock is going against conventional wisdom and what many of the mainstream draft analysts (like Kiper) think. That might be why the referenced what Kiper thinks.

[Ravensfan23]

14 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

They are saying that Mayock is going against conventional wisdom and what many of the mainstream draft analysts (like Kiper) think. That might be why the referenced what Kiper thinks.

I think he just made a mistake. Kiper's name is so common when talking about the draft that i think he just wrote Kiper but meant Mayock. 

[fluffy201]

As much as the Ravens need secondary help, I of course could not get mad at them signing a corner or safety. However, I would not be mad if they drafted another offensive tackle, that could maybe solidify our offensive line for years to come. Not a glamorous pick by any means, but we cannot have our 120 million dollar quarterback running for his life anymore, and regardless of our receivers or running backs, there will not be much production in either passing or running game if we are not dominant up front. Plus corners should be plenty, where as O line help is very limited. Lets take what is most scarce.

[fluffy201]

If they pass on drafting a CB this high, and draft their 12th interior D lineman or a backup 4th WR, I will not be surprised. The entire front office lacks and insight or self evaluation skills, clearly proven now with 8 or 9 years since drafting an all pro talent at any round. They have proven to be able to find solid interior line guys almost anywhere, (Pierce, Williams, Jernigan) but they cannot sniff a good DB if they smack them in the face. Finding a reason you would not want to take 1 of the top 3 guys this year would be beyond inept. The best player available philosophy is clearly backfiring. The fact that a running back is even being considered is clear evidence these doofuses are beer goggled for some magic fairy dust that is going to fix their pathetic lack of on field coaching. Gayle Sayers could not run behind this O line. They run the ball about 8 times a game. Unless you shore up the line, that would be absolutely useless.

I agree we need O line help, as I said previously. However, I would not be mad if they drafted an O line man with their 16th overall pick. I have to disagree with you when it comes to the Ravens drafting corners though. For one, the Ravens have not drafted a corner in the first round since Jimmy Smith, I don't think we have even drafted one in the first three rounds since Jimmy Smith. While Smith may not be a Revis, the Ravens surely miss him when he is out. I of course think we need secondary help, but the Ravens need a lot of help, and drafting an Oline men wouldn't be the worst idea. We should also not think about winning now, as I see it, the ravens are at least two years away from making a run. Lets sure up the trenches this year and hopefully secondary, than try and make a run 2018. We should also be in good cap space in 2018 and no major players will become UFA's.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Big Cats Big Board-
Round 1- top 3 at 16 Sidney Jones CB, Taco Charlton DT, Dalvin Cook RB
Round 2- top 3 at 48 Pat Elflein C, Ryan Ramczyk T, M. Humphrey CB, Teez Tabor CB,
Round 3 2-picks- Dan Feeney OG, Desmond King S, C. Tankersley CB-
Ravens will get 2 of the last 6 shown if left on the board.
Round 4- Isiah Ford WR, Chad Hansen WR, Demarcus Walker DE, Chris Wormley DE

So my picks for the first 5
#1 Round 1- Sidney Jones CB or Taco Charlton DT
#2 Round 2- Pat Elflein Center,
#3 Round 3- Desmond King S,
#4 Round 3- anyone 2,3 or 4 left on board above(favoring CB if no Jones or CB)
#5 Round 4- Demarcus Walker DE or top 3-4 left on the board above

You have listed great players but your gage for when they are going seems very far off. 

Ramcyzk is likely the top OT in the class. Tabor and Humphrey are likely top 5 CBs in this class and Dan Feeney is the top guard in a year where a lot of teams are hurting at OL. 

[RavensDieHard21]

Realistically, there are only a handful of absolutely can't miss prospects at 16. excluding unrealistic options, For me, they are: 

Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams, Reuben Foster, Mike Williams, Fournette, Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones and Marshon Lattimore. 

Cook and Davis are borderline can't miss. But it depends on the offers made to trade back. 

Its in our best interest to land plug and play stud starters and to acquire as many picks inside the first four rounds. Any of he above players I would trade up 3-4 spots at the cost of a third rounder to get because I think each one is a likely pro bowl/ All-pro waiting to happen.

But if that list is cleared. Let's trade back and I wouldn't even be mad if we did it twice inside the first two rounds to acquire an additional second or a couple of extra third rounders. If we have 4-6 picks in the top 100 picks in this class, we are likely coming into September ready to make some noise. 

At the end of the first there will be a lot of likely talent still sitting there like Gareon Conley, Cam Robinson, Dan Feeney, Budda Baker, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams, Sean McCaffrey, etc. 

we then would have the chance to combine a lot of talent in the second through the third with the trade back. Having the chance to nab talents like Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Desmond King, Kevin King, Pat Eiflein, Tyler Orlosky, Rasul Douglas, D'onta Foreman, Jabrill Peppers, etc.

 

[ellicottraven]

Wait, the article is about what Mike Mayock thinks, right? Why did you reference that Kiper thinks the Ravens will go after someone on the front seven?

It was just an error on Mink's part in his rush to put out material against a potential deadline perhaps.

[fluffy201]

Big Cats Big Board-
Round 1- top 3 at 16 Sidney Jones CB, Taco Charlton DT, Dalvin Cook RB
Round 2- top 3 at 48 Pat Elflein C, Ryan Ramczyk T, M. Humphrey CB, Teez Tabor CB,
Round 3 2-picks- Dan Feeney OG, Desmond King S, C. Tankersley CB-
Ravens will get 2 of the last 6 shown if left on the board.
Round 4- Isiah Ford WR, Chad Hansen WR, Demarcus Walker DE, Chris Wormley DE

So my picks for the first 5
#1 Round 1- Sidney Jones CB or Taco Charlton DT
#2 Round 2- Pat Elflein Center,
#3 Round 3- Desmond King S,
#4 Round 3- anyone 2,3 or 4 left on board above(favoring CB if no Jones or CB)
#5 Round 4- Demarcus Walker DE or top 3-4 left on the board above

O line group is extremely thin this year. I don't know why you think Feeny would be there in the third round. I would not mind taking him at 16, or even trading down to get one of the three best oline man in the draft. That is if they are not all gone by 16. Feeny or Ramcyck or Cam would be a great pick up. As much as our secondary sucks, the overall rankings were not the worst. In contrast, 28th in rushing ( what i think I remember, didn't look up the stats) is horrendous and needs to be fixed

[fluffy201]

Realistically, there are only a handful of absolutely can't miss prospects at 16. excluding unrealistic options, For me, they are: 

Malik Hooker, Jamal Adams, Reuben Foster, Mike Williams, Fournette, Derek Barnett, Sidney Jones and Marshon Lattimore. 

Cook and Davis are borderline can't miss. But it depends on the offers made to trade back. 

Its in our best interest to land plug and play stud starters and to acquire as many picks inside the first four rounds. Any of he above players I would trade up 3-4 spots at the cost of a third rounder to get because I think each one is a likely pro bowl/ All-pro waiting to happen.

But if that list is cleared. Let's trade back and I wouldn't even be mad if we did it twice inside the first two rounds to acquire an additional second or a couple of extra third rounders. If we have 4-6 picks in the top 100 picks in this class, we are likely coming into September ready to make some noise. 

At the end of the first there will be a lot of likely talent still sitting there like Gareon Conley, Cam Robinson, Dan Feeney, Budda Baker, Haason Reddick, Tim Williams, Sean McCaffrey, etc. 

we then would have the chance to combine a lot of talent in the second through the third with the trade back. Having the chance to nab talents like Jourdan Lewis, Carl Lawson, Desmond King, Kevin King, Pat Eiflein, Tyler Orlosky, Rasul Douglas, D'onta Foreman, Jabrill Peppers, etc.

 

I agree, if those top 8 are available I think the Ravens have to pull the trigger, hopefully they fall, which could happen. If not, the Ravens should be able to get a very quality starter in the first. According to the mock drafts, which don't mean much. I think we could come away with one of the best o line man in the draft, and a very quality corner in the second, assuming that the draft is very deep at that position. The Ravens have many holes which need to be filled, but given their draft history, I think corner and O line needs to be sured up. We do well with with D linemen and line backers. Lets not even talk about about wide receiver. I really advocated for corner back last year in wanting to draft Hargreaves, but I can't be mad at Stanely, who should hopefully man the blind side for 4 more years. Conclusion, I hope they resign Wagner. Brandon Williams is not better than Snacks, nor should he paid as much. It's a pass happy league anyway, so I feel more value should go to Wagner. We have guys to rotate in if Williams leaves, the same can't be said about our tackle position.

[Halshayeji]

8 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

My gut tells me if either Fournette or Dalvin Cook are magically available for us at #16 we would be foolish not to select either. In fact, I'll go as far as saying if 1 is gone and the other drops past 12, then to go up and get that guy by trading up. I truly believe they could be generational players in the Jamal Lewis mould for us and could dramatically help our terrible offense. It would also shield Flacco from mistakes and help him with confidence.

I made the same argument last year with zeek and the year before with gurley and Gordon as those players are worth a team changing its offseason direction because they instantly demand a stacked box. I agree that Founette is of that mold if he drops but I'm not sure if Cook is in the same class as the other 4 mentioned. 

[law215]

I think the big problems the Ravens face are the lack of coaching to develop young players and poor drafts. It is hard to get excited about prospects when for the last few years the Ravens missed in early rounds, move back to get lesser talent, and never have money to retain or bring in free agent talent.

If Correa, Z Smith were at least average pass rushers
Perriman, Moore were more than just question marks
Carl Davis, Urban were solid run stuffers
Urshel, Jensen could be a little physical on the line
Wright, Elam were solid in the secondary, then
some of the positions would not be holes, but guys that would already be in place.

Two players that showed promise were West and Dixon who they barely utilizied. Now, they say what if they had a star RB, with almost everyone in the world knowing the secondary is what failed them in NE 2 years ago and why the Steelers bumped them from playoff contention last year.


I just feel like there needs to new voices in coaching and drafting.

[BigUgly]

6 minutes ago, law215 said:

I just feel like there needs to new voices in coaching and drafting.

If rumors of Harbs' influence in the draft room are to be believed, we may want the old voices back in the draft.

I'm happy there will be a new voice along the O-Line, and though Marty is relatively new as our OC, I'm not holding out much hope for the offense regardless of the talent they may be able to acquire.

Edited February 28 by BigUgly

[GENE2407]

Unless those guys are academic scholars that go to church 5 times a week, you can cross them off the list.

[GENE2407]

Oh yeah, and high motor. Gotta have a high motor now to play with the new Ravens.