[News] Late For Work 2/27: Adding Pro Bowler Nick Mangold Would Make Sense; Matt Elam's Future

[Adreme]

The thing is Mangold hasn't been very good the past 2 years and has graded worse than Zuttah so why pay for an older player who is likely a downgrade.

[Chuckx999]

New England: 34 comp picks; 5 Super Bowls. That says a lot about our front office and coaches. That's an area the "OWNER" will have to address if we get another "BAD" draft from Ozzie.

Zuttah, Watson, Pitta, Elam and 2-3 others must go for cap space so we can get a few vets that can play. We must get atleast 2 starters in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Trade up by giving up rounds 5-7 as trade bait. We need players not more bench warmers.

[The Greek]

not completely sold on mangold. he had his struggles with injuries this past season which scares me at his age but we do need a mauler that does not get pushed back in short yardage situations

Edited February 27 by The Greek

[Adreme]

If Ozzie is having such bad drafts how come every year the Ravens have some of the top free agents on the market.  2013 was seen as a bad draft class but they still have 2 of the top 32 players from it so how bad could he have really done?

[J.O.14]

Making 'sense' for the Ravens is becoming quite the oxymoron

Every position makes sense because we honestly have so many needs or could use upgrades.

[dirtybird66]

with ELAM gone,makes sense to draft a young safety,like DES KING in the second round.

[Cawtious]

1 hour ago, sami said:

if Zuttah is so bad how did he get to go to the pro bowl? I don't see what the ones who voted him in see.

He wasn't the first ballot guy!  He go there by default of 3-4 others not going due to injury or offseason surgeries pending

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Stanley-Lewis-Mangold-Yanda-Wagner

I'm happy

I would think more like this: Stanley, FA Guard, Mangold, Yanda, Alex Lewis is more likely if we sign Mangold. I don't think Wagner stays. But, I would like one of Mangold or Wagner for sure.

[b93333]

1 hour ago, sami said:

if Zuttah is so bad how did he get to go to the pro bowl? I don't see what the ones who voted him in see.

The NFL needed a back-up center for the game... no one else would go.

[ravens4life86]

Mangold a 7x pro bowler borderline hofr instant upgrade over Zuttah would be great on a 2-3 year deal for the right price.

[J.O.14]

I would hit the brakes on the Mangold thing...Honestly wouldn't be an upgrade over Zuttah at this point. We don't want to pay for previous accolades and 'hope' he can regain his form. Past achievements won't help us win games in the future...

[Ravenous_Ravens]

IMHO while Mangold is a solid starter at C, at his current age there would not be a vast difference. Fact is the line wares down bodies pretty good and north of 30 it starts to show. Only way he becomes a Raven is if he passes physical and can be signed at a discount. Personally, I don't think he'll want to play without a decent contract.

Zuttah is still a solid C. It appears that time is starting to catch up with him a bit, not having the same push he used to, in the run game.

If Ravens really want to get better at C, the it is time to draft one, possibly 3-5th round, with the depth at CB some good talent should still be available in the early-mid rounds.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

with ELAM gone,makes sense to draft a young safety,like DES KING in the second round.

Budda Baker is so much better. Des King would be okay though.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Chuckx999 said:

New England: 34 comp picks; 5 Super Bowls. That says a lot about our front office and coaches. That's an area the "OWNER" will have to address if we get another "BAD" draft from Ozzie.

Ok this is what makes zero sense.  You want to compare us to the most winning franchise in the last 20 years in the entire NFL yet don't compare us to the losers.  Why don't you go back and add in the Browns, Bills, Jags, Panthers, 49ers, Rams, etc....There is so many teams that we have done better than through that span but some people are too lazy to look at the big picture and compare and overall resume rather than the last 4 years or so.

Nothing else expected from you.  God forbid we actually use context or anything that remotely would make Baltimore look like a competent franchise

Edited February 27 by usmccharles

[hen826957]

They should upgrade most on offense in free agency; upgrade most on defense in the draft. The draft should be mostly on defense with corners, passrushers, and safeties. Mangold will be a good addition over Zuttah.

[hen826957]

i think mangold, garcon gonna be ravens.

I hope they sign Brandon Marshall or Jeffery as well. Garçon, Wallace, Brandon Marshall/Jeffery that's a pretty good Wr core to me.

[usmccharles]

Just now, hen826957 said:

I hope they sign Brandon Marshall or Jeffery as well. Garçon, Wallace, Brandon Marshall/Jeffery that's a pretty good Wr core to me.

Please no on Jeffrey.  Injury rattled, going to cost north of 10+mill

[steelcityraven]

The thing is Mangold hasn't been very good the past 2 years and has graded worse than Zuttah so why pay for an older player who is likely a downgrade.

That's why you cant really go by grades.... Mangold has played injured and with a re-vamped OL, as well as a crazy QB carousel - Nobody in the league believes that Zuttah is better then Mangold and some of Zuttahs play has to be attributed to his having Marshall Yanda playing beside him.

If Mangolds ankle is healthy - he is a clear cut up grade over Zuttah. If Mangold is healthy and motivated... We could have another gem at the end of his career! (like some many others that we have landed Rod Woodson, Derrick Mason, Michael McCrary, Daryl Smith, SSS, Boldin, McNair, Weddle, Bryant McKinney, Matt Birk, Corey Redding, and so many more).

Mangold is a mauler with a nasty streak and just the type of player that we are looking to add in the new Greg Roman system

[hen826957]

  3 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

I hope they sign Brandon Marshall or Jeffery as well. Garçon, Wallace, Brandon Marshall/Jeffery that's a pretty good Wr core to me.

Please no on Jeffrey.  Injury rattled, going to cost north of 10+mill

Or Brandon Marshall. Lol

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Or Brandon Marshall. Lol

Im actually on board with Marshall.  I think people are over-blowing his locker room antics and I think he offers a red zone presence yet might be able to be that cheap veteran Oz likes. 

[Space11jams]

New England: 34 comp picks; 5 Super Bowls. That says a lot about our front office and coaches. That's an area the "OWNER" will have to address if we get another "BAD" draft from Ozzie.

Zuttah, Watson, Pitta, Elam and 2-3 others must go for cap space so we can get a few vets that can play. We must get atleast 2 starters in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Trade up by giving up rounds 5-7 as trade bait. We need players not more bench warmers.

With this statement, I can tell your just a fan of the team and not a fan of the team and NFL business as a whole. Who in their right mind will take low draft picks to give up high ones? That's first. Second, Watson and Pitta all good players that deserves PB nods if it wasn't for the popularity contest that comes with it. That's how good they both are. Even if we give up all those players you're talking about, the money we get back would probably go into 2 or maybe 3 big time players you're looking for which neglect the ability of having depth at needed positions. Lastly, why are you comparing our success to NE? Who is the Pats GM? Bill Belichick! Lol. Both him and Ozzie are top 10 when it comes to drafting Pro Bowl talent in the draft. Also, do you see a lot of change happening in the coaching staff in NE? No! How many coaches has come through Baltimore realizing the opportunity of having a one and done season to become a HC in the league? You forget all that. We lose big name players every year that Ozzie drafts and we develop. What you're talking about doing and comparing us to the Pats does not make logical sense lol, I'm sorry.

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, Space11jams said:

With this statement, I can tell your just a fan of the team and not a fan of the team and NFL business as a whole. Who in their right mind will take low draft picks to give up high ones? That's first. Second, Watson and Pitta all good players that deserves PB nods if it wasn't for the popularity contest that comes with it. That's how good they both are. Even if we give up all those players you're talking about, the money we get back would probably go into 2 or maybe 3 big time players you're looking for which neglect the ability of having depth at needed positions. Lastly, why are you comparing our success to NE? Who is the Pats GM? Bill Belichick! Lol. Both him and Ozzie are top 10 when it comes to drafting Pro Bowl talent in the draft. Also, do you see a lot of change happening in the coaching staff in NE? No! How many coaches has come through Baltimore realizing the opportunity of having a one and done season to become a HC in the league? You forget all that. We lose big name players every year that Ozzie drafts and we develop. What you're talking about doing and comparing us to the Pats does not make logical sense lol, I'm sorry.

If its logical, you can bet the bank he forgot it. 

I understand people comparing us to the top of the league and all, but like I said in my previous post, compare us to the worst and see how the whole picture looks.

[RavensDieHard21]

If Ozzie doesn't get deals done with Williams or Wagner he better come prepared to make some moves in FA. Mangold would be one the best options easily. We could offer a 2-3 year deal worth 10-15 million maybe a little more and we have another anchor on the line for a run. 

He would be a great value pick up

[Tdot.to.Bmore]

So we have 4 starters from last years draft class in Stanley, Lewis, Dixon and Young. We also have solid depth from the class in Pierce, Judon, Henry, and Moore. This does not even include our 2nd or 3rd round picks, which could surprise us next year. By the way our draft went last year i would love to see us be aggressive this year and move up the board to get a sure handed star. I don't want to see us move down the board to accumulate more picks, at the end of the day we can only carry 53 players. Its hard to see any of our 2016 draft class being cut next year so we should make a push up the board in the first or second to get an elite CB and Edge rusher.

[Drew P]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Im actually on board with Marshall.  I think people are over-blowing his locker room antics and I think he offers a red zone presence yet might be able to be that cheap veteran Oz likes. 

Yeah but Joe would lock on him and Perriman will be stuck at one toss every other game

[purpledown]

mangold was good but i would only sign him on the cheap.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Yeah but Joe would lock on him and Perriman will be stuck at one toss every other game

considering he averaged more than that last year, I doubt that....

[JetLife94]

Our Pro Bowl center got bullied and thrown around last year. Nick Mangold dosent want to sign with the Browns because of there cap. Mangold wants a ring. If we don't sign him, a Contender needing a center will. We're only a few pieces away from contending again.

[Somerset Ravens]

27 minutes ago, JetLife94 said:

We're only a few pieces away from contending again.

I wish we were only a few pieces away from contending. We have many holes to fill if we are going to contend in 2017.

[bigcatfrank1]

Get Mangold in FA and Pat Elflein round 2. and dump Zuttah.