Ravensnick Mock 1.0

[ravensnick]

Projected comp picks: 3rd round for KO

Round 1:

Corey Davis, WR, WMU

While CB and Edge are certainly huge needs, I'd rather go BPA to start the draft. I love Davis route running ability, size, and his tenacity to go after the ball. He'd be a great player to match up aside Wallace and Perriman. I think Davis will likely be available, as Mike Williams likely goes before us and I think the late teens/early 20s is probably Davis optimal draft position.

Round 2:

 Desmond King, FS/CB, Iowa

I am a huge fan of Desmond Kings playstyle, but I think it will be better for him in the long run to convert to FS. The former Thorpe winner has demonstrated excellent ball skills throughout his time in college, getting 8 picks in 2015. At FS, he would be able to both play overtop and occasionally walk down and cover the slot. 

Round 3:

Carroll Phillips, DE/OLB, Illnois

While his teammate Dawume Smoot has gotten more attention as of recently, Phillips was by far the more impact player the last year. After serving as a backup to Jihad Ward in 2015, Phillip broke out in 2016 with 9 sacks. I think Phillips is a player that could benefit with a move to 3-4 backer.

Rasul Douglas, CB, WVU

Douglas broke out in 2016 as an interception machine. He's still really raw and had some poor games in 2016, but there is no denying his talent. If he can develop, he could turn into a starting level corner.

Round 4:

De'veon Smith, RB, Michigan

I feel running back is a position that is an underrated need for the Ravens. I really like De'veon Smith. He's an excellent and willing pass blocker. He catches well coming out of the backfield. He had great showings at the Shrine and Senior Bowls to really boost his stock. He doesn't have a ton of wear on his track. One might pause at his production numbers, but Michigan consistently faced great defenses this season will pretty poor offense line play. I don't think he'll be a superstar, but he could be a very nice piece to have with Kenneth Dixon andTerrence West. 

Round 5

Tanzel Smart, DT, Tulane

A sort of semi-homer pick because I do go to Tulane, but Smart was a force for the Green Waves this past year. He was the best DL in the AAC not named Ed Oliver. He'd Be a good player to add to the rotation.

Round 6

Jalen Reeves-Maybin. LB, Tenn

While undersized and injured this past year, Reeves-Maybin has been a star for Tennessee. With Orr retiring, it's worth taking a late round flier on a talented player.

Round 7

CJ Beathard, QB,Iowa

I'm not sure how Beathard will pan out in the pros, but I like his tools and its a 7th rounder.

Edited February 22 by ravensnick

[rossihunter2]

big fan of the first 3 rounds here although - carroll phillips would not be my first choice of edge guy in the 3rd but rasul douglas in the 3rd is a great pick - desmond king i think should go in the 1st so to get him in the 2nd is a great pickup and corey davis is top 10 on my board at the moment so that's also a great pickup

i dont like the 6th and 7th rounders - i think jalen reeves maybin is not worth picking up at all to be honest and i think cj beathard's accuracy issues are just too problematic

[berad]

I've heard Phillips has some character issues - what are those, exactly?

[ravensnick]

9 minutes ago, berad said:

I've heard Phillips has some character issues - what are those, exactly?

Walterfootball just mentioned that he has character issues, not mentioning what they were. I haven't heard another source report anything about them. 

[BmoreBird22]

On the topic of Davis, I'd be down for it. I think he's one of the drafts elites.

[VermontRaven]

22 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

big fan of the first 3 rounds here although - carroll phillips would not be my first choice of edge guy in the 3rd but rasul douglas in the 3rd is a great pick - desmond king i think should go in the 1st so to get him in the 2nd is a great pickup and corey davis is top 10 on my board at the moment so that's also a great pickup

i dont like the 6th and 7th rounders - i think jalen reeves maybin is not worth picking up at all to be honest and i think cj beathard's accuracy issues are just too problematic

Agree 100% on Beathard.  I am a HUGE Iowa Hawkeyes fan, so I watched all of Beathard's game.  He is an awesome competitor, but his accuracy is horrible.  I see almost no chance of him being successful in the pros.  I would love to be proved wrong because I loved watching him play, but I just don't see it.

[ravensnick]

6 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Agree 100% on Beathard.  I am a HUGE Iowa Hawkeyes fan, so I watched all of Beathard's game.  He is an awesome competitor, but his accuracy is horrible.  I see almost no chance of him being successful in the pros.  I would love to be proved wrong because I loved watching him play, but I just don't see it.

It's a 7th rounder, hard to know anything about a pick that late so I just threw Beathard in. Most 7th rounders just end up getting cut anyway.

Edited February 22 by ravensnick

[berad]

19 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Walterfootball just mentioned that he has character issues, not mentioning what they were. I haven't heard another source report anything about them. 

Yeah did some googling and can't find anything glaring. He came from a rough Florida area - Liberty City. He had to go to a junior college because he didn't meet academic requirements but that seems to be the extent of it. Attitude thing, maybe? No tangible arrests, suspensions, or anything like that. He seems totally fine.

No clue, maybe that is overstated. They said Jimmy Smith had character issues, too. The worst thing he's done since being here is get thrown out of an Ocean City bar lol.

As a prospect, he's a little older because of his time at junior college and Illinois. Does that detract at all?

As to the rest of the draft, I like it. Like getting those two DBs. The one thing is that there are no OL players - at all. The only time the Ravens haven't drafted along the OL was in 2002. I still think it makes the most sense for the Ravens to trade down in the first round, accumulate some 2nd or mid-round picks, and make legitimate selections at DB, OL, WR, and pass rusher.

[ravensnick]

Just now, berad said:

Yeah did some googling and can't find anything glaring. He came from a rough Florida area - Liberty City. He had to go to a junior college because he didn't meet academic requirements but that seems to be the extent of it. Attitude thing, maybe? No tangible arrests, suspensions, or anything like that. He seems totally fine.

No clue, maybe that is overstated. They said Jimmy Smith had character issues, too. The worst thing he's done since being here is get thrown out of an Ocean City bar lol.

As a prospect, he's a little older because of his time at junior college and Illinois. Does that detract at all?

As to the rest of the draft, I like it. Like getting those two DBs. The one thing is that there are no OL players - at all. The only time the Ravens haven't drafted along the OL was in 2002. I still think it makes the most sense for the Ravens to trade down in the first round, accumulate some 2nd or mid-round picks, and make legitimate selections at DB, OL, WR, and pass rusher.

I'm not too worried about age. He's not like Brandon Weeden old, so it shouldn't hurt him. I sort of agree about OL. That's a big need I didn't cover in the mock.

[berad]

Just now, ravensnick said:

I'm not too worried about age. He's not like Brandon Weeden old, so it shouldn't hurt him. I sort of agree about OL. That's a big need I didn't cover in the mock.

It's just tough to match those picks to players. If you wait until round 5 to take a player, can you really expect them to be a difference maker? It happens, obviously, but no GM would bank on that.

It's why I'm a proponent of trading down... of course, dependent upon who's available then and what we have done in FA.

[ravensnick]

Just now, berad said:

It's just tough to match those picks to players. If you wait until round 5 to take a player, can you really expect them to be a difference maker? It happens, obviously, but no GM would bank on that.

It's why I'm a proponent of trading down... of course, dependent upon who's available then and what we have done in FA.

I don't like trading down in my mocks, because often it just ends up being pipe dream trades so I can get all the players I like. But definitely, as deep as this draft is, trading down would be an excellent idea unless a Fournette/Foster/Adams type is on the board with our first pick

[berad]

3 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

I don't like trading down in my mocks, because often it just ends up being pipe dream trades so I can get all the players I like. But definitely, as deep as this draft is, trading down would be an excellent idea unless a Fournette/Foster/Adams type is on the board with our first pick

Yeah, that's a pitfall of mock drafts. Tough to project.

[ravensnation5220]

I really like Corey. He probably would have the biggest impact for us. 

Im all in on king in the second. I think he's a perfect fit for what we want. 

Not a big fan of Phillips or Douglas. I'd rather tyus browser and Damontae kazee in the 3rd round. Possibly an o line guy instead of pass rusher 

[RaineV1]

Not a fan of Phillips. He seems undersized and doesn't have the athleticism to make up for that. At the NFL level he might be best as a strongside linebacker on a 4-3 team.

If the Ravens grab a late round QB to compete for backup, I'd greatly prefer Zach Terrell over Beathard.

[Davesta]

Corey Davis is my #1 on my wish list. I think king would be a great replacement for Webb and/or weddle when they're no longer with the team. 

Only thing I wish in this scenario is an upgrade on the offensive line at some stage in the draft. 

[Italian Raven]

I like the draft. I think one way to make it better tho is to take an Olineman instead of De'veon Smith (who I like too btw) and to put Hall or another tier 3 pass-rusher not named Phillips. I didn't watch any tapes of him, just the senior bowl drills and he didn't look comfortable there. Too easy to contain him. I promise I'll find some tapes and build an informed ompinion on the guy as soon as possible.

I love Smart and saw you were also mentioning him back in November, if I'm no mistaken. Reeves-Maybin would be an interesting one too.

[ravensnick]

7 hours ago, Italian Raven said:

I like the draft. I think one way to make it better tho is to take an Olineman instead of De'veon Smith (who I like too btw) and to put Hall or another tier 3 pass-rusher not named Phillips. I didn't watch any tapes of him, just the senior bowl drills and he didn't look comfortable there. Too easy to contain him. I promise I'll find some tapes and build an informed ompinion on the guy as soon as possible.

I love Smart and saw you were also mentioning him back in November, if I'm no mistaken. Reeves-Maybin would be an interesting one too.

Yeah I got to watch Smart live a lot, so I'm obviously a fan. He'd be a great DT in our system and my buddy at University of Houston who works with the team claimed that he was the defensive player in the American that Houston planned around the most. Hall would also be an excellent pick, he's really got the build of a great 3-4 backer. I'm with you on the OL, I realized right after the mock that I left a glaring need. 

[Italian Raven]

4 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Yeah I got to watch Smart live a lot, so I'm obviously a fan. He'd be a great DT in our system and my buddy at University of Houston who works with the team claimed that he was the defensive player in the American that Houston planned around the most. Hall would also be an excellent pick, he's really got the build of a great 3-4 backer. I'm with you on the OL, I realized right after the mock that I left a glaring need. 

Cool stuff man jeez I'd sell a kidney to even see my boy Carl or one of my favourite prospects play. 

I liked Hall at the SeB. but one thing I realized. As you say he's a perfect fit for a 3-4 scheme. He is sudden enough to beat opponents with counters and is explosive enough to convert some speed to power, pushing them backwords amd creating inside lanes. However I didn't see him winning around the edge much and should go back to watch Garrett tapes to get a better second look. 

One thing I saw constantly with Corey Davis is that he's been playing a lot in the shotgun and barely saw press man coverages.. That allowed him to run his slants and crosses and exploit defences deficiencies with his after the catch talent. I definitely like him and wouldn't mind him at 16 at all. I'd just like to see him winning in more different situations in order to be able to mock him myself there.

[January J]

On 2/22/2017 at 3:31 PM, ravensnick said:

It's a 7th rounder, hard to know anything about a pick that late so I just threw Beathard in. Most 7th rounders just end up getting cut anyway

Yes they are extremely hard to pick but I disagree about most of them getting cut. Very often you can find solid contrubutors in the 6th and 7th...shoot look at the gems that the ravens find that go undrafted. Orr and Peirce were both UDFAs... Waller and Campanaro may not be the best examples but they were both late round picks.. The example I use most often Is Antonio brown- he was a late 6th round pick. So you never know. But yeah your definitely right about them being extremely hard to pick. The entire draft is really.  Its all a crap shoot BC you never know how the board will fall.

On 2/22/2017 at 3:31 PM, ravensnick said:

 

 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Yes they are extremely hard to pick but I disagree about most of them getting cut. Very often you can find solid contrubutors in the 6th and 7th...shoot look at the gems that the ravens find that go undrafted. Orr and Peirce were both UDFAs... Waller and Campanaro may not be the best examples but they were both late round picks.. The example I use most often Is Antonio brown- he was a late 6th round pick. So you never know. But yeah your definitely right about them being extremely hard to pick. The entire draft is really.  Its all a crap shoot BC you never know how the board will fall.

i never get the point of taking production guys in the 7th because so often they just have nothing going for them at the next level because if they did they would have been taken much earlier - the guys you have to take in the 7th are the raw guys with athletic gifts or with some element of polish - like waller or camp, camp with his route running and shiftiness, waller with his size and speed

[ravensnick]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

i never get the point of taking production guys in the 7th because so often they just have nothing going for them at the next level because if they did they would have been taken much earlier - the guys you have to take in the 7th are the raw guys with athletic gifts or with some element of polish - like waller or camp, camp with his route running and shiftiness, waller with his size and speed

Yeah, production guys are maxed out and never going to contribute

[rossihunter2]

39 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

Yeah, production guys are maxed out and never going to contribute

But that's kind of how I feel about your last two picks tbh

[ravensnick]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

But that's kind of how I feel about your last two picks tbh

Beathard definitely isn't a production guy. He has raw nfl tools, but he isn't refined at all. Reeves-Maybin is certainly a great althele but he is just a tad short for the prototype of his position and hurt last year. I don't see how they are numbers guys.