[News] Free Agency Breakdown: Ravens RT Rick Wagner

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The former fifth-round pick is scheduled to hit the market after establishing himself as a quality right tackle.

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[The Greek]

going to be a tough call on wagner/williams. they will probably both be priced out of our range.

[Crusader]

going to be a tough call on wagner/williams. they will probably both be priced out of our range.

Then the decision is really out of Ravens hands.

[omar586]

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

[ellicottraven]

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

I think 2 4th round picks unless of course the Dolphins pay ridiculous sums of money to Williams which I doubt seriously. Even they can't be that foolish.

[ellicottraven]

In my mind they're both gone and we'll still be okay. Pierce, Henry and Davis will step up and pick up the slack for Williams and Nembot and Lewis will have to pick up the slack for Wagner. However, the one guy I don't think we can't afford to lose is Guy. We better figure out a way to keep him. As for Juice, unless we have a coordinator that can fully uitilize him, he can leave too.

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, The Greek said:

going to be a tough call on wagner/williams. they will probably both be priced out of our range.

If it was my choice, i would definitely rather resign Wagner.  Continuity at the OL would be great

[bigcatfrank1]

In my mind they're both gone and we'll still be okay. Pierce, Henry and Davis will step up and pick up the slack for Williams and Nembot and Lewis will have to pick up the slack for Wagner. However, the one guy I don't think we can't afford to lose is Guy. We better figure out a way to keep him. As for Juice, unless we have a coordinator that can fully uitilize him, he can leave too.

Its interesting, most would not approve of going into a season with so much inexperience yet many on this site seem to think it would be ok.

I would rather see the Ravens make Williams a decent offer at 4yrs /44mil. Keep Guy for a reasonable 3yrs 10- 12 and Juice for a renewable 3 yr 8-10 mil. I think they would all stay.

Wagner is the one I would take the chance on and go with the Rookies. Knowing that Yanda/Stanley/Lewis all are in shape to come in without injury to start camp.

I would also let Zuttah go and pick up a top center in the 2nd round.

but its not my decision, maybe thats a good thing.

[purpledown]

Ravens should let him go concentrate on Williams.

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, omar586 said:

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

Depending on how much they got paid, but it is plausible to expect at least one for Williams if he hit FA. 

[RavensDieHard21]

53 minutes ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Its interesting, most would not approve of going into a season with so much inexperience yet many on this site seem to think it would be ok.

I would rather see the Ravens make Williams a decent offer at 4yrs /44mil. Keep Guy for a reasonable 3yrs 10- 12 and Juice for a renewable 3 yr 8-10 mil. I think they would all stay.

Wagner is the one I would take the chance on and go with the Rookies. Knowing that Yanda/Stanley/Lewis all are in shape to come in without injury to start camp.

I would also let Zuttah go and pick up a top center in the 2nd round.

but its not my decision, maybe thats a good thing.

No chance we would give Williams $11 million a year. I also wouldn't advice letting go of Wagner then cutting Zuttah too. His cap savings isn't enough for his experience. Last thing we need is a rookie at center and RT. 

[RavensDieHard21]

If we let Wagner and Williams go I will lose all faith in this franchise and our ability to retain talent. Especially knowing Williams would probably take a minor discount. Probably 1-1.25 million off per year. 

The next man up mentality works mid season when you don't have any other options, but we have gotten used to putting blind faith in players that have barely shined for a brief period of time. Davis and Henry haven't proven a thing and Pierce flashed but is that enough to let the potential lynchpin in our elite run defense go? 

[Ravenous_Ravens]

This is going to be a similar type of decision compared to the K.O. and Yanda. I would really like to see both stay but it looks more likely only one will be here next season opener.

The best thing going for the Ravens F.O. right now is the fact there are many options on the table at this point. It's like dominoes at this point, set them up as you like, but once they start to fall that is that.

[sizzlingdoom]

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

It also depends on how many Free Agents we sign ourselves

[sizzlingdoom]

This is going to be a similar type of decision compared to the K.O. and Yanda. I would really like to see both stay but it looks more likely only one will be here next season opener.

The best thing going for the Ravens F.O. right now is the fact there are many options on the table at this point. It's like dominoes at this point, set them up as you like, but once they start to fall that is that.

Right? This is gonna be a crazy and meaningful offseason

[sizzlingdoom]

How do we let it get to this? We should've extended Williams before this so he would still be a Raven and we would've gotten a discount. Not good

[zing21042]

  16 hours ago, The Greek said:

going to be a tough call on wagner/williams. they will probably both be priced out of our range.

Then the decision is really out of Ravens hands.

As noted on another thread, neither Wagner nor Williams will be playing with the Ravens next year. With Flacco's contract and the small amount of cap space available, there is no way we will be able to compete with other teams that need these positions filled. That is not the Raven's mantra. Case in point, the Browns have the cap space ($100+ million) to hire 7-10 probowlers from free agency and could probably use both these positions. Even the Patriots have $65 million in cap space.

If the Juice wants too much money...let him walk too. The primary role of this position is blocking and in this capacity he was mediocre at best. If doing such a great job, why was our run came so miserable? Where were the holes? Why such a poor red zone run performance? Looking at the tapes, most of his benefits to the Ravens was as a receiver...that can be filled by TEs and the other running backs. If he leaves we will not miss him. I like him, but we no longer utilized this position to its capacity.

Pita should also be let go. Great story...can't fault him on that; but business is business. He is a lousy blocker and any TE should be able to catch a ball 8.7 yards down field (average for the Flacco/Pita tandem). Being the #1 TE in the league was not a testament to Pita but indicative of a QB that has lost confidence, afraid to look down field and afraid of getting hit.

Let them all go.

[Chuckx999]

Head Coach John Harbaugh said during the season-review press conference: “We are going to build an offensive line that is the best in the league.”
I guess he plans to trade for all the Dallas starters. We don't have the right staff to select players in the draft and/or trade for them. Our coaching staff, starting with Harbaugh isn't all that they think they are. He got his SB win with guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed pushing the team. On his own Harbaugh and his present staff are just average at best.
So we have a GM who can't draft worth a damm any more and poor coaching. How does anyone expect this team to be better than 6-10 to 8-8 in a good year????

[bnyce52]

Before we let some of our best players walk, we need to stack solid draft classes. Last year was great, but the three before that were so-so. It's very hard to let guys like B-Williams and Wagner go when we don't actually have any proven talent behind them. If we can nail this upcoming draft then next year I think we'll be in a much better position to let guys walk. I just don't know if it's wise for this season. We've gotta keep somebody to build around. We're gonna lose Doom, possibly Webb, and a few DBs. We've gotta figure out a way to maintain some continuity, or we aren't making it that far into the postseason if we can even get there. I'm starting to have doubts about our coaching staff's ability to produce quality starters out of mid-to-late round draft picks. Seems like we have plenty of guys that flash, but not many that are consistent. Wagner and Williams are models of consistency which is what you need in order to execute game plans and win games.

[usmccharles]

8 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Head Coach John Harbaugh said during the season-review press conference: “We are going to build an offensive line that is the best in the league.”
I guess he plans to trade for all the Dallas starters. We don't have the right staff to select players in the draft and/or trade for them. Our coaching staff, starting with Harbaugh isn't all that they think they are. He got his SB win with guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed pushing the team. On his own Harbaugh and his present staff are just average at best.
So we have a GM who can't draft worth a damm any more and poor coaching. How does anyone expect this team to be better than 6-10 to 8-8 in a good year????

Are you ever going to suggest solutions,  ideas,  opinions outside of this team sucks at everything? I'm convinced you were on this board with a different screen name. 

I get you don't like the direction we are going,  but you literally just sit here and complain about everything.   Why not actually try to say something where we can develop a discussion,  ya know... What message boards are for.  

[bigcatfrank1]

  20 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Its interesting, most would not approve of going into a season with so much inexperience yet many on this site seem to think it would be ok.

I would rather see the Ravens make Williams a decent offer at 4yrs /44mil. Keep Guy for a reasonable 3yrs 10- 12 and Juice for a renewable 3 yr 8-10 mil. I think they would all stay.

Wagner is the one I would take the chance on and go with the Rookies. Knowing that Yanda/Stanley/Lewis all are in shape to come in without injury to start camp.

I would also let Zuttah go and pick up a top center in the 2nd round.

but its not my decision, maybe thats a good thing.

No chance we would give Williams $11 million a year. I also wouldn't advice letting go of Wagner then cutting Zuttah too. His cap savings isn't enough for his experience. Last thing we need is a rookie at center and RT. 

who is you Rookie RT?
Its not about Zuttah and Wagner, each position is separate. This is why you cannot compare DT to NT, your analogy would have the Ravens do nothing, which isnt possible.
its keep Wagner or Williams. you choose Wagner I choose Williams.

The Ravens have RT and RG that can play that are not rookies. Just like we can say they have NT and DT that can play that are not rookies.

As far as Zuttah, get a top Center in the draft. He is not as good as a top College Center.

[OzzieBisciotti]

  13 hours ago, Chuckx999 said:

Head Coach John Harbaugh said during the season-review press conference: “We are going to build an offensive line that is the best in the league.”
I guess he plans to trade for all the Dallas starters. We don't have the right staff to select players in the draft and/or trade for them. Our coaching staff, starting with Harbaugh isn't all that they think they are. He got his SB win with guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed pushing the team. On his own Harbaugh and his present staff are just average at best.
So we have a GM who can't draft worth a damm any more and poor coaching. How does anyone expect this team to be better than 6-10 to 8-8 in a good year????

Are you ever going to suggest solutions,  ideas,  opinions outside of this team sucks at everything? I'm convinced you were on this board with a different screen name. 

I get you don't like the direction we are going,  but you literally just sit here and complain about everything.   Why not actually try to say something where we can develop a discussion,  ya know... What message boards are for.  

usmccharles = Eric DaCosta

The truth hurts, and Chuckx999 only is telling the truth- if he didn't care, he wouldn't be on this site like me telling the Ravens what went wrong. The Ravens can't live in the past anymore- lets' face it, we've had bad drafts, bad coaching (secondary and Juan Castillo), and hopefully, we'll learn from our mistakes and be better. Now that Flacco takes up so much salary cap space, it puts our FO to be that much better and smarter about drafts- so if we don't succed there, we won't make it- that's why the pats are so good every year- they know how to draft people that fit their system- we've had so many different systems, we dont know who we are- we used to be a defnesive team but now we think we're an offenseive team- we're neither. we had a top ranked defense last year because we had an easy schedule becasue the prior year we did terrible. the solution is give oz and dacosta and harbs one more year- if they can't succeed, then someone needs to get the ax Complacency is not good, and i commend Bisciotti for being patient but hes a smart businessman and wont let this go on forever either if we continuie to have poor results

[OzzieBisciotti]

Head Coach John Harbaugh said during the season-review press conference: “We are going to build an offensive line that is the best in the league.”
I guess he plans to trade for all the Dallas starters. We don't have the right staff to select players in the draft and/or trade for them. Our coaching staff, starting with Harbaugh isn't all that they think they are. He got his SB win with guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed pushing the team. On his own Harbaugh and his present staff are just average at best.
So we have a GM who can't draft worth a damm any more and poor coaching. How does anyone expect this team to be better than 6-10 to 8-8 in a good year????

Easier said than done, Harbs..Dallas drafted very well to build that line- what we did was take Elam in the first round, as well as Perriman in the first round- that's not how you build the line that will win game in the trenches- enough said

[OzzieBisciotti]

Sad to see Wagner go but like KO we have to let them go due to poor frafting and trying to play catch up with old FAs

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

usmccharles = Eric DaCosta

The truth hurts, and Chuckx999 only is telling the truth- if he didn't care, he wouldn't be on this site like me telling the Ravens what went wrong. The Ravens can't live in the past anymore- lets' face it, we've had bad drafts, bad coaching (secondary and Juan Castillo), and hopefully, we'll learn from our mistakes and be better. Now that Flacco takes up so much salary cap space, it puts our FO to be that much better and smarter about drafts- so if we don't succed there, we won't make it- that's why the pats are so good every year- they know how to draft people that fit their system- we've had so many different systems, we dont know who we are- we used to be a defnesive team but now we think we're an offenseive team- we're neither. we had a top ranked defense last year because we had an easy schedule becasue the prior year we did terrible. the solution is give oz and dacosta and harbs one more year- if they can't succeed, then someone needs to get the ax Complacency is not good, and i commend Bisciotti for being patient but hes a smart businessman and wont let this go on forever either if we continuie to have poor results

When have i disagreed with "we need to draft better?"  I dont get some people on here, they completely ignore when "homers" criticize the FO yet the moment we stand by a decision the negative neds come out and attempt to bash, with no informed opinions other than,,,,we suck at this, we suck at that, etc.  You are so blinded by your negativity and lack of an informed opiion you cant even tell when people agree with you. 

 

2 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Sad to see Wagner go but like KO we have to let them go due to poor frafting and trying to play catch up with old FAs

Yea, cause DSmith, SSr, Boldin, Wallace, Weddle were such terrible signings..they're sooooo old. I didnt like the Watson signing, not one single fan will like every single move by the FO.   If you want to pay a G 13mill a year, have fun, sound like a Raiders fan, Have they won anything yet?  Nope.  And poor drafting has nothing to do with retaining a player.....

[sizzlingdoom]

  4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

usmccharles = Eric DaCosta

The truth hurts, and Chuckx999 only is telling the truth- if he didn't care, he wouldn't be on this site like me telling the Ravens what went wrong. The Ravens can't live in the past anymore- lets' face it, we've had bad drafts, bad coaching (secondary and Juan Castillo), and hopefully, we'll learn from our mistakes and be better. Now that Flacco takes up so much salary cap space, it puts our FO to be that much better and smarter about drafts- so if we don't succed there, we won't make it- that's why the pats are so good every year- they know how to draft people that fit their system- we've had so many different systems, we dont know who we are- we used to be a defnesive team but now we think we're an offenseive team- we're neither. we had a top ranked defense last year because we had an easy schedule becasue the prior year we did terrible. the solution is give oz and dacosta and harbs one more year- if they can't succeed, then someone needs to get the ax Complacency is not good, and i commend Bisciotti for being patient but hes a smart businessman and wont let this go on forever either if we continuie to have poor results

When have i disagreed with "we need to draft better?"  I dont get some people on here, they completely ignore when "homers" criticize the FO yet the moment we stand by a decision the negative neds come out and attempt to bash, with no informed opinions other than,,,,we suck at this, we suck at that, etc.  You are so blinded by your negativity and lack of an informed opiion you cant even tell when people agree with you. 

 

  4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Sad to see Wagner go but like KO we have to let them go due to poor frafting and trying to play catch up with old FAs

Yea, cause DSmith, SSr, Boldin, Wallace, Weddle were such terrible signings..they're sooooo old. I didnt like the Watson signing, not one single fan will like every single move by the FO.   If you want to pay a G 13mill a year, have fun, sound like a Raiders fan, Have they won anything yet?  Nope.  And poor drafting has nothing to do with retaining a player.....

Don't know if you noticed but the Raiders organization is in a much better state than ours right now. Live in the past all you want. And KO averages 11.7 a year over his contract, not 13. And yes, having the best Guard in football (him and Yanda) for 11.7 over the 5 years, especially with the cap going up, is not a bad deal at all. Not responding or getting involved in the whole conversation, but those last few lines just don't make any sense

[sizzlingdoom]

Head Coach John Harbaugh said during the season-review press conference: “We are going to build an offensive line that is the best in the league.”
I guess he plans to trade for all the Dallas starters. We don't have the right staff to select players in the draft and/or trade for them. Our coaching staff, starting with Harbaugh isn't all that they think they are. He got his SB win with guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed pushing the team. On his own Harbaugh and his present staff are just average at best.
So we have a GM who can't draft worth a damm any more and poor coaching. How does anyone expect this team to be better than 6-10 to 8-8 in a good year????

It was such a joke that Harbaugh and the staff came back. And it's hilarious/sad when feel try to deny that our drafting ability is falling off a cliff. Made me sick to my stomach when all saw Marty was coming back, THEN I saw ALL of them were back. Makes me wanna puke. And that offensive line statement....I though it was funny when there was a article on here asking if John would ever run for office....He'd be a perfect politician. There's always crap coming out of his mouth, says cliche things that "should" be said, then does nothing. That's the Ravens coach....... :(

[Halshayeji]

On February 21, 2017 at 11:19 PM, omar586 said:

SO If we lose wagner and williams we get 2 3rd rnd picks?

Most years a 11 mil NT and a 8mil RT would land you at least a 3rd and a 4th round comp. Probably not this year tho because of the number of drafted players in that 2012 draft potentially jumping ship. Comp picks formula depends on a number of things and for starters, I see a few other players that could surpass Williams and Wagners contracts thus droping us to a 4th and 5th round comp picks. (Collins, Cyprien, Jeffry, and a few others) 

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

Don't know if you noticed but the Raiders organization is in a much better state than ours right now. Live in the past all you want. And KO averages 11.7 a year over his contract, not 13. And yes, having the best Guard in football (him and Yanda) for 11.7 over the 5 years, especially with the cap going up, is not a bad deal at all. Not responding or getting involved in the whole conversation, but those last few lines just don't make any sense

Not living in the past,  just pointing things out.  We didn't value KO what the Raiders did. And I'm OK with that,  that's just my preference.  The Raiders had a lot of money to spend, we didn't.  I'm not dissing the Raiders persay,  but when you pick at the top of the first for years I'd hope you build up your team and now they finally have a good GM. And my bad being off on the salary, for some reason I thought it was 12.7ish a year

[Saxxin]

They need to keep this guy. Front line will make the difference. You're all about CB's and defense. The D is and has been good the last couple years. Orr is the BIGGEST replacement needed on D. The D needs a solid replacement for Orr. Don't overlook that loss. The D was top 5 for God's sake. It was the offense that couldn't grind out drives to finish games. To many snaps on the Pees inspired "prevent" D tired the defense out. We all saw it. For 3 quarters the D was solid for the most part. Not ALWAYS. But mostly. We have a good D. Better than most teams. We need the front 5. The O-line. Ravens football. Flacco was a monster when he had Rice and that O-line in 2012. Because the RUN game was a threat too. West and Dixon are a dream team with a good O-line. RUN the ball and then Joe can unload. That's what hey NEEDED when they drafted him, Because the "trenches" we already won. They lost those tranches putting to much focus on trying to replace legends that can't be replaced. And now they are an 8-8 team. O-line is what the team REALLY needs. Sign Williams, Keep Wallace, draft a stud center in the first round and you're back in the playoffs. this TEAM doesn't nee better talent, it needs more maulers up front.