[News] Eisenberg: Ravens Tight Ends Would Make A Good Reality TV Show

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The Ravens have six tight ends vying for limited spots on the roster, each with different assets to bring to the table. How will it all play out? Anything is possible on ‘Real Tight Ends of Baltimore.’

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[Drew P]

Owen Daniels was more valuable than these clowns

[CQ1]

I'd vie for seeing the coaching staff- especially with the way the O-coordinators are set up. It was comical last year.

[Raven in ATL]

as amazing as it was to see Pitta return from 2 major hip injuries, he is not a long term solution for TE. we all appreciate what he was able to contribute over the years, but its time to find a new answer. currently there are just a bunch of clowns and over the hill guys in the TE meeting room. Ozzie can stock the roster up with as many choir boy, good solid character types all he wants. but its time to reload with some football players with attitude. no team in the league fears the ravens any longer, no one.

[whobilly]

as amazing as it was to see Pitta return from 2 major hip injuries, he is not a long term solution for TE. we all appreciate what he was able to contribute over the years, but its time to find a new answer. currently there are just a bunch of clowns and over the hill guys in the TE meeting room. Ozzie can stock the roster up with as many choir boy, good solid character types all he wants. but its time to reload with some football players with attitude. no team in the league fears the ravens any longer, no one.

The Truth. OUCH!

[whobilly]

Title of the reality show....."Who Gets Injured First"

[OzzieBisciotti]

The TEs we have on our team wouldn't be a #1 TE on other teams. Flacco and Pitta Bread need to stop their bromance- it cost the Ravens $3M last year when Flacco threw all these 5 yard dinks to his BFF, Pitta bread, so he could reach his incentive laden contract. Vernon Davis is better than all these TEs, and he is available and most likely can be had cheaper than pitta bread and old man fell off the rocker watson. Come on Oz- you need to stop with the 'hire the old veteran' approach- we need to get younger and better. So far, we're young at this position but not any better

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

The TEs we have on our team wouldn't be a #1 TE on other teams. Flacco and Pitta Bread need to stop their bromance- it cost the Ravens $3M last year when Flacco threw all these 5 yard dinks to his BFF, Pitta bread, so he could reach his incentive laden contract. Vernon Davis is better than all these TEs, and he is available and most likely can be had cheaper than pitta bread and old man fell off the rocker watson. Come on Oz- you need to stop with the 'hire the old veteran' approach- we need to get younger and better. So far, we're young at this position but not any better

I believe signing a 33 year old TE who hasn't been relevant in the league in 3 years would qualify as the "hire the old veteran" approach.

SMH.

[MobtownRavens]

Why not move Waller back to WR? He's got Alshon Jeffery red-zone size, and they only moved him out to TE last year to get around the logjam at WR. He'd have less blocking responsibility, it gives us more roster flexibility, and maybe even takes some pressure off the Ravens to find a "complementary" receiver in free agency.... It's a move that might make sense to consider, IMO.

[usmccharles]

 

13 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

The TEs we have on our team wouldn't be a #1 TE on other teams. Flacco and Pitta Bread need to stop their bromance- it cost the Ravens $3M last year when Flacco threw all these 5 yard dinks to his BFF, Pitta bread, so he could reach his incentive laden contract. Vernon Davis is better than all these TEs, and he is available and most likely can be had cheaper than pitta bread and old man fell off the rocker watson. Come on Oz- you need to stop with the 'hire the old veteran' approach- we need to get younger and better. So far, we're young at this position but not any better

Yea man, im sick of the old vets.  Hopefully we get Davis, he's young and has plenty years left to improve his game.  Great idea. 

Edited February 21 by usmccharles

[The Greek]

maxx needs to grab the bull by the horns and be the next todd heap minus the nagging injuries. i have no problem with pitta but hopefully he accepts a paycut.

[Chuckx999]

WOW all those TE's. Just tell me whom actually makes on the field and how many are just bench warmers because they CAN'T catch???
Cut Watson today, then 2 others, cut Pitta's pay a bit, he's due to breakdown again. Then Draft TE Howard from Ala. He's all over the field, knows how to catch and does run for those extra yards. Just don't let Ozzie take another WR. We know his record with drafting WR's.

[MadStorkSociety]

WOW all those TE's. Just tell me whom actually makes on the field and how many are just bench warmers because they CAN'T catch???
Cut Watson today, then 2 others, cut Pitta's pay a bit, he's due to breakdown again. Then Draft TE Howard from Ala. He's all over the field, knows how to catch and does run for those extra yards. Just don't let Ozzie take another WR. We know his record with drafting WR's.

In a story about too many TE's, you suggest drafting another TE? I am going to have to assume you are being sarcastic. We have so many holes, we can live with the TE's we have, even if they are pedestrian.

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, MadStorkSociety said:

In a story about too many TE's, you suggest drafting another TE? I am going to have to assume you are being sarcastic. We have so many holes, we can live with the TE's we have, even if they are pedestrian.

He's not.  And to his defense (sadly) he did suggest cutting 3 TEs, so if we drafted Howard we would have 4Tes rather than 6-7

[whobilly]

Why not move Waller back to WR? He's got Alshon Jeffery red-zone size, and they only moved him out to TE last year to get around the logjam at WR. He'd have less blocking responsibility, it gives us more roster flexibility, and maybe even takes some pressure off the Ravens to find a "complementary" receiver in free agency.... It's a move that might make sense to consider, IMO.

Marlon Brown had size too, along with the WR we picked up from Seattle(Matthews) who had a great Super Bowl for them against the Pats. Waller is a JAG (Just another guy) We already have to many roster fillers on the team.

[OzzieBisciotti]

 

  8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

The TEs we have on our team wouldn't be a #1 TE on other teams. Flacco and Pitta Bread need to stop their bromance- it cost the Ravens $3M last year when Flacco threw all these 5 yard dinks to his BFF, Pitta bread, so he could reach his incentive laden contract. Vernon Davis is better than all these TEs, and he is available and most likely can be had cheaper than pitta bread and old man fell off the rocker watson. Come on Oz- you need to stop with the 'hire the old veteran' approach- we need to get younger and better. So far, we're young at this position but not any better

Yea man, im sick of the old vets.  Hopefully we get Davis, he's young and has plenty years left to improve his game.  Great idea. 

Ben Watson is 36 years old now- Vernon Davis is almost 4 years younger and he had a decent year with the Skins last year- he didn't do that well before because he had terrible qbs throwing to him.

Plus VD won't be 37 this year like Watson will be- Yes, I said Watson will be 37 years old this year- SMH

[rmcjacket23]

43 minutes ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Ben Watson is 36 years old now- Vernon Davis is almost 4 years younger and he had a decent year with the Skins last year- he didn't do that well before because he had terrible qbs throwing to him.

Plus VD won't be 37 this year like Watson will be- Yes, I said Watson will be 37 years old this year- SMH

Oz is great at picking old TEs and WRs- SMH

1. Ben Watson won't be on this team in 2017.

2. Neither will Vernon Davis

3. Both for mostly the same reason. 

Thanks for making my point.

Also ironic that you mention Davis in the same post when you say "they wouldn't be #1 TEs on other teams". Sounds very much like you're also describing Davis, who too hasn't been a #1 TE on a team in quite some time.

Heck, Watson was a #1 more recently than him, and he's a dinosaur apparently. 

Edited February 22 by rmcjacket23

[OzzieBisciotti]

  7 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Ben Watson is 36 years old now- Vernon Davis is almost 4 years younger and he had a decent year with the Skins last year- he didn't do that well before because he had terrible qbs throwing to him.

Plus VD won't be 37 this year like Watson will be- Yes, I said Watson will be 37 years old this year- SMH

Oz is great at picking old TEs and WRs- SMH

1. Ben Watson won't be on this team in 2017.

2. Neither will Vernon Davis

3. Both for mostly the same reason. 

Thanks for making my point.

I would rather take Verrnon Davis than any of the scrubs TEs we have now. Why do we even bother bringing in Watson on a one year rental contract? These moves by Ozzie drive fans crazy- play makers fill the stadium - not 37 yr old TEs - I know we're crippled by bad drafts but still.. It's like the safety position for us- we have drafted so many safeties over the years but Oz still can't find a good one through the draft- maybe the real problem is the FO

[zing21042]

  7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  8 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

Ben Watson is 36 years old now- Vernon Davis is almost 4 years younger and he had a decent year with the Skins last year- he didn't do that well before because he had terrible qbs throwing to him.

Plus VD won't be 37 this year like Watson will be- Yes, I said Watson will be 37 years old this year- SMH

Oz is great at picking old TEs and WRs- SMH

1. Ben Watson won't be on this team in 2017.

2. Neither will Vernon Davis

3. Both for mostly the same reason. 

Thanks for making my point.

I would rather take Verrnon Davis than any of the scrubs TEs we have now. Why do we even bother bringing in Watson on a one year rental contract? These moves by Ozzie drive fans crazy- play makers fill the stadium - not 37 yr old TEs - I know we're crippled by bad drafts but still.. It's like the safety position for us- we have drafted so many safeties over the years but Oz still can't find a good one through the draft- maybe the real problem is the FO

I think that many are missing the point. I would rather a team of Steve Smith Sr's (37 yrs old), Anquan Bolden's (36 years old ), Tom Bradys (40 yrs old at the beginning of next season), and James Harrisons (38 yrs old) than a bunch of young Perrimans. Age (within reason) is not the deciding factor. Yanda (32) has been Probowl quality since day 1; Zuttah (30) belongs with the fishes. The players listed above play with conviction and passion. They play with heart. These are characters you simply cannot teach and it is something that is lacking on both sides of the ball in the Ravens, especially since we now lost Smith Sr.

When we lost some of our greats i.e. Lewis and Read, we also lost the soul of this team. That is something that we need to find to become winners again. We no longer have leaders to call out the youngsters and tell them to shape up; to get the job done. Instead, we have an overpaid "Cool Joe". As much as I hate Brady, when his receivers screw up, he is all over them. Joe, he just sits on the bench hoping for a defensive stop.

So, while I understand from where the age thing is coming, in my mind a productive and passionate player on social security, is far better than a young player who ends up on injured reserve every time the wind changes direction.

[Crusader]

I hope Pitta bad blocking style was just because he has not played in a while but he continues like he did last year Joe is going to get hurt again.

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I would rather take Verrnon Davis than any of the scrubs TEs we have now. Why do we even bother bringing in Watson on a one year rental contract? These moves by Ozzie drive fans crazy- play makers fill the stadium - not 37 yr old TEs - I know we're crippled by bad drafts but still.. It's like the safety position for us- we have drafted so many safeties over the years but Oz still can't find a good one through the draft- maybe the real problem is the FO

I wouldn't. I don't see a single attribute that Davis brings that makes this team better. We'd just be dropping the young TEs we dropped for a rental player like Davis.

Watson is also on a two year contract. Had he not torn his achilles (not exactly a predictable event), he could have easily led the team in receiving for TEs. We will never know. We know he's been highly productive on bad teams with bad QBs before, so that wouldn't surprise anybody.

In terms of safeties, we've drafted three since 2009, and only one was in the first two rounds. That's not a lot. Granted, Elam and Brooks didn't work out, and that is unfortunate, but lets not pretend like we're drafting one a year and they all suck. Its more like one every 3 years.

And yes, when it comes to the draft, in the last 5 years or so, its on the FO. 

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, zing21042 said:

I think that many are missing the point. I would rather a team of Steve Smith Sr's (37 yrs old), Anquan Bolden's (36 years old ), Tom Bradys (40 yrs old at the beginning of next season), and James Harrisons (38 yrs old) than a bunch of young Perrimans. Age (within reason) is not the deciding factor. Yanda (32) has been Probowl quality since day 1; Zuttah (30) belongs with the fishes. The players listed above play with conviction and passion. They play with heart. These are characters you simply cannot teach and it is something that is lacking on both sides of the ball in the Ravens, especially since we now lost Smith Sr.

When we lost some of our greats i.e. Lewis and Read, we also lost the soul of this team. That is something that we need to find to become winners again. We no longer have leaders to call out the youngsters and tell them to shape up; to get the job done. Instead, we have an overpaid "Cool Joe". As much as I hate Brady, when his receivers screw up, he is all over them. Joe, he just sits on the bench hoping for a defensive stop.

So, while I understand from where the age thing is coming, in my mind a productive and passionate player on social security, is far better than a young player who ends up on injured reserve every time the wind changes direction.

Except a productive player on social security is a short term fix. All that does is keep you competitive for the short term. 

You don't build SB champions with a team full of short term fixes. You have a blend of short term players with a primary core of young, productive players and players in their prime performing at a high level. Basically, the 2011-2012 Ravens. Its not like anybody thinks that Ray and Ed were the best players or the most productive players on those teams. 

The leadership thing is a bit overrated, especially on defense. You've got Suggs and Weddle, who are as big a leaders as you can find in this league. I agree that offensively we don't have an identity, but that's not from a lack of leadership. Fans only see what the cameras show them, which weakens the argument.

[usmccharles]

9 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I would rather take Verrnon Davis than any of the scrubs TEs we have now. Why do we even bother bringing in Watson on a one year rental contract? These moves by Ozzie drive fans crazy- play makers fill the stadium - not 37 yr old TEs - I know we're crippled by bad drafts but still.. It's like the safety position for us- we have drafted so many safeties over the years but Oz still can't find a good one through the draft- maybe the real problem is the FO

I can promise you filling the stadium is not an issue, we had 100% capacity last year.   Every position cant be a play-maker, that's just not realistic.  I can also promise you we have never signed someone based on the possibility of attendance increasing.  A simple google search can reveal a lot of info, like... I don't know...facts.  From 2008 on (I didn't go back further) we have been basically at a 100% attendance. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2008          We have no issues filling the seats. 

7 hours ago, zing21042 said:

I think that many are missing the point. I would rather a team of Steve Smith Sr's (37 yrs old), Anquan Bolden's (36 years old ), Tom Bradys (40 yrs old at the beginning of next season), and James Harrisons (38 yrs old) than a bunch of young Perrimans. Age (within reason) is not the deciding factor. Yanda (32) has been Probowl quality since day 1; Zuttah (30) belongs with the fishes. The players listed above play with conviction and passion. They play with heart. These are characters you simply cannot teach and it is something that is lacking on both sides of the ball in the Ravens, especially since we now lost Smith Sr.

When we lost some of our greats i.e. Lewis and Read, we also lost the soul of this team. That is something that we need to find to become winners again. We no longer have leaders to call out the youngsters and tell them to shape up; to get the job done. Instead, we have an overpaid "Cool Joe". As much as I hate Brady, when his receivers screw up, he is all over them. Joe, he just sits on the bench hoping for a defensive stop.

So, while I understand from where the age thing is coming, in my mind a productive and passionate player on social security, is far better than a young player who ends up on injured reserve every time the wind changes direction.

I am with you on the first paragraph, I have no issues bringing in older vets that know how to do their job and provide that veteran presence.  Imagine if we could of got SSr about two years sooner.  So yea, I am with you on most of that paragraph.

The next paragraph, not so much.  We have plenty of people that have no issue calling people out because they haven't done their job, I have seen Joe do it numerous times.  But here's a news flash, Joe is not Tom Brady, he never will be.  And this whole overpaid thing is just not accurate, like many have discussed on here, as do I, its called "market value."   The only other option was to let Joe walk after he just had the best post-season of a QB in NFL history (tied with Montana), I don't know how you could justify that.  Also didn't help we got rid of his favorite target in Boldin and expected Pitta to step up more, and got hurt.  I am one of the people that think the FO has not done a sufficient job at give Joe weapons around him.  The moment he would of hit FA he would of most likely got paid more by teams like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, etc...its simple economics. 

[RavensVAfan]

When I read the reality show title "Real Tight Ends of Baltimore" I have to admit my first thought wasn't football.

[OzzieBisciotti]

  16 hours ago, zing21042 said:

I think that many are missing the point. I would rather a team of Steve Smith Sr's (37 yrs old), Anquan Bolden's (36 years old ), Tom Bradys (40 yrs old at the beginning of next season), and James Harrisons (38 yrs old) than a bunch of young Perrimans. Age (within reason) is not the deciding factor. Yanda (32) has been Probowl quality since day 1; Zuttah (30) belongs with the fishes. The players listed above play with conviction and passion. They play with heart. These are characters you simply cannot teach and it is something that is lacking on both sides of the ball in the Ravens, especially since we now lost Smith Sr.

When we lost some of our greats i.e. Lewis and Read, we also lost the soul of this team. That is something that we need to find to become winners again. We no longer have leaders to call out the youngsters and tell them to shape up; to get the job done. Instead, we have an overpaid "Cool Joe". As much as I hate Brady, when his receivers screw up, he is all over them. Joe, he just sits on the bench hoping for a defensive stop.

So, while I understand from where the age thing is coming, in my mind a productive and passionate player on social security, is far better than a young player who ends up on injured reserve every time the wind changes direction.

Except a productive player on social security is a short term fix. All that does is keep you competitive for the short term. 

You don't build SB champions with a team full of short term fixes. You have a blend of short term players with a primary core of young, productive players and players in their prime performing at a high level. Basically, the 2011-2012 Ravens. Its not like anybody thinks that Ray and Ed were the best players or the most productive players on those teams. 

The leadership thing is a bit overrated, especially on defense. You've got Suggs and Weddle, who are as big a leaders as you can find in this league. I agree that offensively we don't have an identity, but that's not from a lack of leadership. Fans only see what the cameras show them, which weakens the argument.

I finally agree with you on most points but will have to disagree in the sense that we are void of 'passionate' leaders like Ray Lewis- granted that he's a once-in-a-blue-moon type of leader

[OzzieBisciotti]

  17 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

I would rather take Verrnon Davis than any of the scrubs TEs we have now. Why do we even bother bringing in Watson on a one year rental contract? These moves by Ozzie drive fans crazy- play makers fill the stadium - not 37 yr old TEs - I know we're crippled by bad drafts but still.. It's like the safety position for us- we have drafted so many safeties over the years but Oz still can't find a good one through the draft- maybe the real problem is the FO

I can promise you filling the stadium is not an issue, we had 100% capacity last year.   Every position cant be a play-maker, that's just not realistic.  I can also promise you we have never signed someone based on the possibility of attendance increasing.  A simple google search can reveal a lot of info, like... I don't know...facts.  From 2008 on (I didn't go back further) we have been basically at a 100% attendance. 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/attendance/_/year/2008          We have no issues filling the seats. 

  16 hours ago, zing21042 said:

I think that many are missing the point. I would rather a team of Steve Smith Sr's (37 yrs old), Anquan Bolden's (36 years old ), Tom Bradys (40 yrs old at the beginning of next season), and James Harrisons (38 yrs old) than a bunch of young Perrimans. Age (within reason) is not the deciding factor. Yanda (32) has been Probowl quality since day 1; Zuttah (30) belongs with the fishes. The players listed above play with conviction and passion. They play with heart. These are characters you simply cannot teach and it is something that is lacking on both sides of the ball in the Ravens, especially since we now lost Smith Sr.

When we lost some of our greats i.e. Lewis and Read, we also lost the soul of this team. That is something that we need to find to become winners again. We no longer have leaders to call out the youngsters and tell them to shape up; to get the job done. Instead, we have an overpaid "Cool Joe". As much as I hate Brady, when his receivers screw up, he is all over them. Joe, he just sits on the bench hoping for a defensive stop.

So, while I understand from where the age thing is coming, in my mind a productive and passionate player on social security, is far better than a young player who ends up on injured reserve every time the wind changes direction.

I am with you on the first paragraph, I have no issues bringing in older vets that know how to do their job and provide that veteran presence.  Imagine if we could of got SSr about two years sooner.  So yea, I am with you on most of that paragraph.

The next paragraph, not so much.  We have plenty of people that have no issue calling people out because they haven't done their job, I have seen Joe do it numerous times.  But here's a news flash, Joe is not Tom Brady, he never will be.  And this whole overpaid thing is just not accurate, like many have discussed on here, as do I, its called "market value."   The only other option was to let Joe walk after he just had the best post-season of a QB in NFL history (tied with Montana), I don't know how you could justify that.  Also didn't help we got rid of his favorite target in Boldin and expected Pitta to step up more, and got hurt.  I am one of the people that think the FO has not done a sufficient job at give Joe weapons around him.  The moment he would of hit FA he would of most likely got paid more by teams like Oakland, Cleveland, Jacksonville, etc...its simple economics. 

usmccharles = eric dacosta

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

usmccharles = eric dacosta

Facts must be hard to handle.  It's ok, we have all been there, but most of us actually graduated.

[sizzlingdoom]

  4 hours ago, OzzieBisciotti said:

usmccharles = eric dacosta

Facts must be hard to handle.  It's ok, we have all been there, but most of us actually graduated.

The Ravens poor FO and awful coaching is what's hard to handle

[sizzlingdoom]

Rotoworld thinks Pitta might be gone. One can only hope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Militant X 1]

23 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Except a productive player on social security is a short term fix. All that does is keep you competitive for the short term. 

You don't build SB champions with a team full of short term fixes. You have a blend of short term players with a primary core of young, productive players and players in their prime performing at a high level. Basically, the 2011-2012 Ravens. Its not like anybody thinks that Ray and Ed were the best players or the most productive players on those teams. 

The leadership thing is a bit overrated, especially on defense. You've got Suggs and Weddle, who are as big a leaders as you can find in this league. I agree that offensively we don't have an identity, but that's not from a lack of leadership. Fans only see what the cameras show them, which weakens the argument.

Ain't that the truth?