Edgar mock one

[Edgar]

Going to make this to the point : It is imperative to me that we find a way to keep Rick Wagner. Also would like us to make a move for a cornerback and wideout ( Garcon, Jackson).

I'm going a little away from what others have mocked.

ROUND ONE - TE,  O.J. HOWARD- not going to be popular as our first round selection.  Here is my rationale :

He is essentially a two for one pick. He's ready as an in line blocker now. This guy moves edge defenders out of the play. 

Great catch radius, very good speed to get down field and great hands. Big reliable target. Red Zone weapon. I think he's likely to be the best player on the board when we pick. A pro bowl tight end.

ROUND TWO  - PAT ELFLEIN -  C,  OHIO STATE - a popular pick and with good reason. He and Howard (along with the Wagner re-signing), make this running game a serious force to be reckoned with.

Elflein is a passionate, physical, nasty lineman and is also a pro bowler within three years. He is the best center in this class and it isn't even close.

ROUND THREE- - CB- CORNELIUS ELDER- MIAMI

I like everything about Elder. His downside is his size. will likely be relegated to the slot.

Quick cover guy who plays as physical as any corner in the draft despite his stature. Excellent cover guy, very good Blitzer. Excellent teams.

Should be able to put on ten or so without losing quickness.

ROUND THREE (compensatory),  KAREEM HUNT - RB, TOLEDO

An odd mixture of what both West  and Dixon do well. Actually, he is a better version of Kenneth Dixon. This is saying something as like Dixon not a little bit. Again, our offense and in particular, our running game will be explosive. Great hands out of the backfield, tremendous yards after contact. A big time run game in 2017.

ROUND FOUR - HOWARD WILSON, CB,  HOUSTON

A long corner who plays physical and creates turnovers ...both he and Elder jump off the tape while you're watching someone else on tape. Great leader with speed and length.

 

ROUND FIVE -  AVERY MOSS, OLB - YOUNGSTOWN STATE 

A bit raw overall but is a guy with burst and bend off the edge. Needs a year but has tools and size to be an effective OLB 

 

ROUND SIX - STEVIE TUIKOLVATU - NT, USC

Limited two down player but very good at taking on double teams and stuffing the run. Could be worked into DLINE rotation right away.

ROUND SEVEN -  DARREUS ROGERS - WR,  USC

I have doubts he Will still be on the board of course but I like him and he will be viewed as slow. The thing I love is how he gets open anyway...how he owns the jump ball and makes plays.

 

 

 

 

[allblackraven]

Again, not majorly improving our pass rush and secondary with so much talent available this year is mind boggling to me. You haven't addressed it via FA either, since top FA corner is out of reach with Ravens miserable cap space.

I hate this mock.

Edited February 21 by allblackraven

[ravensnation5220]

I don't mind the Howard pick because he may become the best tight end in the league however I don't think he that great of a run blocker. According to his teammate ryan anderson When he first arrived at Bama he got man handled, he's improved since then. His tape even shows he doesn't drive defenders. He doesn't keep his feet moving he just kind of holds. 

Elder, is a wasteful pick however. We don't need a slot corner. We need and outside corner. There should be better value than elder in the 3rd

[Edgar]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Again, not majorly improving our pass rush and secondary with so much talent available this year is mind boggling to me. You haven't addressed it via FA either, since top FA corner is out of the reach with Ravens miserable cap space.

I hate this mock.

I understand exactly your feeling.

I'm pretty staunchly of the opinion that Howard will be the best player available when we pick....if so, Ozzie will take him.

If you've found a better center prospect than Elflein...who? I haven't and though he's not perfect, I'm not passing on him unless a corner I like falls.

At this point, getting an edge player becomes a little less likely and obviously I like both corners selected(and I love Hunt).

I understand your sentiment however.

[RavensDieHard21]

Draft is not bad, but it is for some reason how I envision it going. Despite all of the talent and depth at CB and Edge, Ozzie will wait until the mid rounds to address those areas and will take value picks at others positions. 

Eiflein pick is a HR. I love his style of play and if we had a line that looked like: 

Stanley, Lewis, Eiflein, Yanda, Wagner.

we would have a great balance and the offense would make a Great Leap Forward. 

A lot of people have stated that Howard might be the best player on the board at 16 and I say there is no chance on this earth that he would in fact be the best player left. He is talented, but we have a bunch of young guys that aren't even through their developing years at TE. Plus the glaring need at CB and Edge makes it almost unfathomable that we prioritize a TE over those positions: 

[JoeyFlex5]

The though of oj Howard is growing on me. He's a top 10 talent, and the kind of target flacco dreams of, he's never had anything even close to a guy like Howard, he's had slow 6'4" receivers who body catch, he's never had a 6'6" behemoth who can fly and catch anything thrown in his general direction. He's also as good of a TE blocker you'll find, the guy blocks like a backup OT in a jumbo package. He's a special talent and im surprised hes not being mentioned much higher

edit: however, I hate how we was used at Alabama and I have concerns about him being a true TE rather than a schemed open athlete at h-back

Edited February 21 by JoeyFlex5

[mc_red23]

I'd love Howard but just think we have bigger holes to fill than at TE unless those holes get filled during FA.

[RavensDieHard21]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The though of oj Howard is growing on me. He's a top 10 talent, and the kind of target flacco dreams of, he's never had anything even close to a guy like Howard, he's had slow 6'4" receivers who body catch, he's never had a 6'6" behemoth who can fly and catch anything thrown in his general direction. He's also as good of a TE blocker you'll find, the guy blocks like a backup OT in a jumbo package. He's a special talent and im surprised hes not being mentioned much higher

He has all the tools and has made some big plays, but his tape isn't as impressive as everyone is talking it up to be lol Bama ran the ball so much that most college defenses brought everyone up to the LOS on practically every play.

On most of Howard's big plays--the ones everyone is drooling over--there was simply busted coverage. Or it was a pass to the flat v zone coverage where there was essentially no one in sight. There aren't too many acrobatic catches or  plays where he was burning defenders in man coverage. There weren't too many crazy catches in tight Windows either. However, He doesn't seem to ever drop the passes which is good and his QB play was pretty abysmal, But after watching 4 different videos on him plus a lot of Bama games, I don't see this godsend game changer everyone else sees lol

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

The though of oj Howard is growing on me. He's a top 10 talent, and the kind of target flacco dreams of, he's never had anything even close to a guy like Howard, he's had slow 6'4" receivers who body catch, he's never had a 6'6" behemoth who can fly and catch anything thrown in his general direction. He's also as good of a TE blocker you'll find, the guy blocks like a backup OT in a jumbo package. He's a special talent and im surprised hes not being mentioned much higher

edit: however, I hate how we was used at Alabama and I have concerns about him being a true TE rather than a schemed open athlete at h-back

On the edit: Howard was at his best during the Senior Bowl in a more classic in line TE. There is absolutely no doubt he would be an impact player from day one here.

[hn68wb4]

While I admit that OJ Howard is a possible pick for us to make, I'd still really, really hate it. Sure we don't have anyone at TE that's of his caliber, but we've got at least 3 solid players there in Pitta, Boyle, and Gillmore, with Maxx and Waller still developing (assuming Watson is cut). We simply don't need Howard, for us he'd be a luxury pick when we have much bigger needs and we're practically guaranteed to have a top player at one of those needs available when we're on the clock.

I like Elflein in the second, he's still my top center in the class assuming Feeney stays at guard.

Mid 3rd is too high for Elder. We're all pretty much in agreement that he's somewhat of a gem at CB but we shouldn't reach for him, especially since our CB need is mostly for outside CBs, which Elder probably can't play.

I like Hunt, underrated back with fantastic balance, I've described him before as this years Dixon because he's good at everything and is sort of forgotten about. Not sure if he's the kind of back we're looking for but I'd like the pick.

[Edgar]

I'd likely take Sidney Jones over OJ but I wouldn't project him being there for us at our selection.

I'd definitely entertain Tim Williams.... Certainly if assured he is straight......perhaps Dalvin Cook but it's difficult envisioning the slide of a player I prefer to Howard.

I like Taco Charlton a lot...a lot.....but ultimately I'm more convinced by Howard regardless of perceived need.

 

[usmccharles]

Not a fan of waiting till the third to pick up a CB.  And at that, you select a guy that's more of a slot CB while we have Young. 

The Howard pick, I wouldn't be mad but I would definitely prefer a CB or a pas-rusher there.  I think if we don't get a difference maker at those two positions in the first two rounds, we are going to highly regret it. 

I like the center pick however.  We need to build our oline for the future. 

This would of been a lot easier to "grade" if you said what we do in FA, I know none of us know, but it would be a good baseline to see where we are at.

[January J]

I'm actually a pretty big fan of this mock! I brought up the idea of taking Howard a while ago - while it wasn't popular opinion at the time I think its starting to grow on some ppl. And we know how ozzie covets those alabama guys- esp at his former position. I can see joe salivating over this pick giving him that big bodied redzone target and another effeciant blocker. He's also a great trade back target- which would give us another third and possibly even 2nd to address a pass rusher. If our top corners and pass rushers on the board are gone at 16- this may be our best bet. Rounds 1-3 are a knockout- however I'm not so sure about grabbing a rb where you did since we will be ignoring the pass rushing need. ( unless like i said we gain an extra pick) While I like elder- I also like the idea of taking a cb in FA such as Logan Ryan- and then going pass rusher there instead. If TJ watt falls deep into the 2nd I would do everything I could to jump back into the 2nd and grab him. But assuming we trade back into the LATE 20s for howard and gather an extra 2nd- that could potentially give us a haul of :

1) Howard

2) Elflein

2) Watt

3)Elder

Which that alone would be an AMAZING draft and have me doing backflips. And that still leaves us with atleast 5 picks in the mid to late rounds which is  the area of the draft that is usually our bread and butter. Instead of going Hunt with our comp I would take Desmond king - if he was there of ofcourse...which isn't likely but certainly possible.

If we did draft Howard let's think about what our TE corps  would look like. You would have to assume we move on from Watson and pitta while saving us alot of cap room. I think we would certainly hold onto 4 - and in my mind those 4 would surely be :

1) Crockett

2) Howard

3) Boyle 

4) Maxx

That's 4 tight ends on rookie contracts...and gives us a great group of both blocking AND pass catchers. And actually I think we hold onto waller as well- but he will be looked at  as more of our 7th receiver and hybrid tight end. No way do I see us moviing on from him with the potential he's shown and his special teams contributions. If keeping that many doesn't work with the numbers game- I think it will be open competition between waller , maxx and Boyle for the last TWO spots. And keep in mind injuries or suspensions may narrow things down and make the decision for us.

Edited February 22 by January J

[trevorsteadman]

7 minutes ago, January J said:

I'm actually a pretty big fan of this mock! I brought up the idea of taking Howard a while ago - while it wasn't popular opinion at the time I think its starting to grow on some ppl. He's also a great trade back target- which would give us another third and possibly even 2nd to address a pass rusher. Rounds 1-3 are a knockout- however I'm not so sure about grabbing a rb where you did since we will be ignoring the pass rushing need. ( unless like i said we gain an extra pick) While I like elder- I also like the idea of taking a cb in FA such as Logan Ryan- and then going pass rusher there instead. If TJ watt falls deep into the 2nd I would do everything I could to jump back into the 2nd and grab him. But assuming we trade back into the LATE 20s for howard and gather an extra 2nd- that could potentially give us a haul of :

1) Howard

2) Elflein

2) Watt

3)Elder

Which that alone would be an AMAZING draft and have me doing backflips. And that still leaves us with atleast 5 picks in the mid to late rounds which is  the area of the draft that is usually our bread and butter. Instead of going Hunt with our comp I would take Desmond king - if he was there of ofcourse...which isn't likely but certainly possible.

I like Howard and Eiflein. I'm not huge on the Elder pick and here is why. In my eyes the secondary struggles because everybody out there is a midget outside of Jimmy Smith. When Jimmy Smith goes down nobody in our secondary is above 6 feet tall to defend a Dez Bryant or a Odell Beckham. And that hurts when the team is playing in the same division as AJ Green. I think he will be a good player somewhere but I just hope it is not here. Tavon Young is already that guy the team will likely have to restrictly use in the slot. The team needs height out there.

In this scenario I could see the team cutting Dumervil and trading for Connor Barwin with a late pick to upgrade the pass rush and make it a little younger. But I still think the defense needs to get taller. 

[January J]

18 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I like Howard and Eiflein. I'm not huge on the Elder pick and here is why. In my eyes the secondary struggles because everybody out there is a midget outside of Jimmy Smith. When Jimmy Smith goes down nobody in our secondary is above 6 feet tall to defend a Dez Bryant or a Odell Beckham. And that hurts when the team is playing in the same division as AJ Green. I think he will be a good player somewhere but I just hope it is not here. Tavon Young is already that guy the team will likely have to restrictly use in the slot. The team needs height out there.

In this scenario I could see the team cutting Dumervil and trading for Connor Barwin with a late pick to upgrade the pass rush and make it a little younger. But I still think the defense needs to get taller. 

What do you think about going the FA route for cb and taking a Logan Ryan and then focusing more on pass  rushing and the o line in the draft? Kinda hard to do with so much talent at the top of the draft at the cb position- but a veteran such as Logan may help us more right away...and we can focus on finding that elite pass rusher and bolstering our o line to help the running game while simultaneously opening things up for the deep ball and giving Joe more time to pick defenses apart. That's not saying we don't take a cb at all either- Elder might not be your guy but like I said this draft is so stacked at the position we could really wait until round 3 or 4 and still find a solid contributer. Im a fan of Kazee who can def be had in the 3rd and maybe even 4th.

 

Id be pretty hype about a cb corps consisting of Jimmy Smith- Logan Ryan-  Tavon Young - Kazee 

 

Ryan and young can both play inside and out- which would give us a lot of flexibility in case of injury.

However if you don't like Elder BC of his height I'm sure you won't be a fan of Kazee as well- BC he's also under 6 ft tall lol

 

I agree we do need to get taller- esp when going up against some of these AFC north receivers who constantly win jump balls from Big Ben and Dalton.

Edited February 22 by January J

[Edgar]

19 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Not a fan of waiting till the third to pick up a CB.  And at that, you select a guy that's more of a slot CB while we have Young. 

The Howard pick, I wouldn't be mad but I would definitely prefer a CB or a pas-rusher there.  I think if we don't get a difference maker at those two positions in the first two rounds, we are going to highly regret it. 

I like the center pick however.  We need to build our oline for the future. 

This would of been a lot easier to "grade" if you said what we do in FA, I know none of us know, but it would be a good baseline to see where we are at.

I would pick seven rounds of defense if given my druthers...I'm exaggerating only slightly.

One of the problems with another draft that addresses defense early, (though I'm certainly aware of the holes on that side of the ball and where we come up wanting), is that it won't at all help our offense.

My first two rounds most certainly aid our defense, ( if only in a slight way by comparison). It doesn't work the other way round and this offense has to step up this year.....

With Stanley, Lewis, Elflein , Yanda,  Wagner and a SERIOUS commitment to running the football, we will be difficult to stop....Howard, despite what some say,  is a tremendous asset in the run game and an obvious one in the passing game. 

As to Elder, i understand his role and your concern about us already having Young.....valid point but simply having a quality player at any position won't preclude the Ravens from taking a football Ayer they like.

I also can see certain teams having smaller, quicker receivers where we might make use of both Young and Elder.

Also, watch Howard Wilson...Just as promising a prospect at CB as a lot of the projected 2nd round corners.

 

 

[trevorsteadman]

58 minutes ago, January J said:

What do you think about going the FA route for cb and taking a Logan Ryan and then focusing more on pass  rushing and the o line in the draft? Kinda hard to do with so much talent at the top of the draft at the cb position- but a veteran such as Logan may help us more right away...and we can focus on finding that elite pass rusher and bolstering our o line to help the running game while simultaneously opening things up for the deep ball and giving Joe more time to pick defenses apart. That's not saying we don't take a cb at all either- Elder might not be your guy but like I said this draft is so stacked at the position we could really wait until round 3 or 4 and still find a solid contributer. Im a fan of Kazee who can def be had in the 3rd and maybe even 4th.

 

Id be pretty hype about a cb corps consisting of Jimmy Smith- Logan Ryan-  Tavon Young - Kazee 

 

Ryan and young can both play inside and out- which would give us a lot of flexibility in case of injury.

However if you don't like Elder BC of his height I'm sure you won't be a fan of Kazee as well- BC he's also under 6 ft tall lol

 

I agree we do need to get taller- esp when going up against some of these AFC north receivers who constantly win jump balls from Big Ben and Dalton.

Well I don't have anything against smaller corners except for the fact they struggle against those big time named receivers. Tavon Young played phenomenal but his most poor games were against Dez Bryant and Odell Beckham and while he was in good position to make plays he was too small and got overpowered. If you go out and spend some money on another corner I have no issue of Elder or Kazee I think they are some pretty solid cornerbacks. But I hate relying on a secondary Webb (5'11), Weddle (5'11), Young (5'9), and Wright if he is still here (5'11). I think the team's secondary was actually in good position most of the season to make plays but a lot of what hurt the team was when Jimmy Smith went down then the little guys got beat. I really  hope our safety tandem next season is Webb and Weddle because of the success they had, just bring in Webb at lower price. The team needs another big corner in my opinion. 

I like Logan Ryan but he is also south of six feet tall at 5'11. I think he would be a solid addition to replace Shareece Wright with depending on the price but I'm afraid his strong playoff run may drive up his contract elsewhere. Right now I am crossing my fingers Canaday breaks out next season. Coaches seemed to love him and I feel like he had a lot to learn but they seemed to really like him and was probably the most hated draft pick right after the draft. 

Another fear of mine is going along with cornerbacks being in good positions to make plays last season, I hope that doesn't walk out the door with Leslie Frazier walking out the door. I would almost be okay with the Ravens chasing someone like Bouye or Gilmore. I know they will be too expensive especially with too many other holes to fill. But I would almost be okay with the Ravens cutting Dumervil and Webb and bringing back Webb at a smaller contract to go after Bouye and Gilmore and let both Wagner and Williams walk. 

I feel confident in the Ravens filling the Williams role. I also think the Ravens can replace Wagner on the O-line by shifting Lewis over and bringing in a cheap veteran guard. 

Of course this is a dream and most cornerbacks will get paid a lot more than I will expect. But I do think that was the team's achilles heel. Jimmy Smith played like a DPOY and when he went down the season was over.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I would pick seven rounds of defense if given my druthers...I'm exaggerating only slightly.

One of the problems with another draft that addresses defense early, (though I'm certainly aware of the holes on that side of the ball and where we come up wanting), is that it won't at all help our offense.

My first two rounds most certainly aid our defense, ( if only in a slight way by comparison). It doesn't work the other way round and this offense has to step up this year.....

With Stanley, Lewis, Elflein , Yanda,  Wagner and a SERIOUS commitment to running the football, we will be difficult to stop....Howard, despite what some say,  is a tremendous asset in the run game and an obvious one in the passing game. 

As to Elder, i understand his role and your concern about us already having Young.....valid point but simply having a quality player at any position won't preclude the Ravens from taking a football Ayer they like.

I also can see certain teams having smaller, quicker receivers where we might make use of both Young and Elder.

Also, watch Howard Wilson...Just as promising a prospect at CB as a lot of the projected 2nd round corners.

I understand what your saying and I am all about building the OL, my issue is that if we wait too long to replace Suggs and/or Doom, I feel like we will draft for need rather than a player that warrants that selection.  Kind of like BP and the Torrey situation, we waited till he was already gone to find his replacement. 

I would like to see a defense/offense first round/ second round in either order, that's just my preference.  I don't hate your first two picks, just taking a TE so earlier worries me as TEs normally don't produce much their first year.  Taking a Jones/Q.Wilson/pass-rusher  in the first and using your same pick in the second would make me happy.

I understand Howard would help the blocking game, but im not too sure our RBs are all that good, I do like Dixon but im not jumping on his hype train.  It reminds me of when every was stoked about Buck Allen.  Dixon runs hard and slips through tackles nicely, but I don't think hes going to turn into that feature back we all want, really hope im wrong honestly.  

 

 

[ravensnick]

I like the talent acquired and all the picks are realistic. Not a fan of the elder pick. I agree some might not be keen on taking Howard, but he's going to be an elite TE. Only "but" from me is I'd be a little concerned if we had this draft and didn't address secondary/edge through FA. Eiflien would be a home run.

Edited February 22 by ravensnick

[ravensnick]

On 2/21/2017 at 6:37 AM, RavensDieHard21 said:

He has all the tools and has made some big plays, but his tape isn't as impressive as everyone is talking it up to be lol Bama ran the ball so much that most college defenses brought everyone up to the LOS on practically every play.

On most of Howard's big plays--the ones everyone is drooling over--there was simply busted coverage. Or it was a pass to the flat v zone coverage where there was essentially no one in sight. There aren't too many acrobatic catches or  plays where he was burning defenders in man coverage. There weren't too many crazy catches in tight Windows either. However, He doesn't seem to ever drop the passes which is good and his QB play was pretty abysmal, But after watching 4 different videos on him plus a lot of Bama games, I don't see this godsend game changer everyone else sees lol

I 100% blame Howards lack of tape on Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has show for years that his offense is get the play to the starplayer, whether it be Robert Woods, Marquis Lee, Amari Cooper, or Derrick Henry. Kiffin just simply had no idea how to use Howard. 

[Ravens_kash20]

I like Howard but I think we go McCaffrey or trade back and get a Haason Reddick before we go TE again. I Say if Jamal Adams or Sidney Jones isnt available at 16 we do just that, and try to get another 2nd rounder from eager team to jump up

Edited February 22 by Ravens_kash20
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[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Ravens_kash20 said:

I like Howard but I think we go McCaffrey or trade back and get a Haason Reddick before we go TE again. I Say if Jamal Adams or Sidney Jones isnt available at 16 we do just that, and try to get another 2nd rounder from eager team to jump up

I am willing to bet there is no chance we take McCaffrey at 16.  I don't think he will be an every down back and I don't think that would justify him at that draft slot.  I do like his return abilities thought.  I am interested to see what his 40 is, for some reason I don't see him running people over or outrunning guys like he did in college.  I just don't see a gadget player being select at 16

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I understand what your saying and I am all about building the OL, my issue is that if we wait too long to replace Suggs and/or Doom, I feel like we will draft for need rather than a player that warrants that selection.  Kind of like BP and the Torrey situation, we waited till he was already gone to find his replacement. 

I would like to see a defense/offense first round/ second round in either order, that's just my preference.  I don't hate your first two picks, just taking a TE so earlier worries me as TEs normally don't produce much their first year.  Taking a Jones/Q.Wilson/pass-rusher  in the first and using your same pick in the second would make me happy.

I understand Howard would help the blocking game, but im not too sure our RBs are all that good, I do like Dixon but im not jumping on his hype train.  It reminds me of when every was stoked about Buck Allen.  Dixon runs hard and slips through tackles nicely, but I don't think hes going to turn into that feature back we all want, really hope im wrong honestly.  

 

 

Dixon without injuries was a legit second round talent last year, Allen was never even close to the same talent level. You can say the hype train looks familiar but college tapes shows 2 totally different talent levels, dixons tape is worthy of the hype, allens not so much 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, ravensnick said:

I 100% blame Howards lack of tape on Lane Kiffin. Kiffin has show for years that his offense is get the play to the starplayer, whether it be Robert Woods, Marquis Lee, Amari Cooper, or Derrick Henry. Kiffin just simply had no idea how to use Howard. 

This is true but a lack of evidence is still a concern. 

With howard being such a stellar athlete and showing great all around football ability I'd be willing to bet he can still make big plays as a traditional TE, but that's a calculated risk that some FO has to make when drafting him

[ravensnick]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

This is true but a lack of evidence is still a concern. 

With howard being such a stellar athlete and showing great all around football ability I'd be willing to bet he can still make big plays as a traditional TE, but that's a calculated risk that some FO has to make when drafting him

I think his senior bowl more than quieted all doubt about that.

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dixon without injuries was a legit second round talent last year, Allen was never even close to the same talent level. You can say the hype train looks familiar but college tapes shows 2 totally different talent levels, dixons tape is worthy of the hype, allens not so much 

Yea I can understand that and I hope I'm wrong.  I was merely talking about the hype and not talent.   Allen even look good at some points as did did last year,  but still not enough evidence for me to be content.   I'm not saying we need to trade up for cook/Fournette.

[Edgar]

34 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I can understand that and I hope I'm wrong.  I was merely talking about the hype and not talent.   Allen even look good at some points as did did last year,  but still not enough evidence for me to be content.   I'm not saying we need to trade up for cook/Fournette.

Don't forget Kareem Hunt....he is the 3rd back I was referring to.

[usmccharles]

3 hours ago, Edgar said:

Don't forget Kareem Hunt....he is the 3rd back I was referring to.

Yea he seems to be a playmaker. i have a feeling a team will take him ahead of us.  Hes interesting

[RavensDieHard21]

Realistically, think of it this way. The top 3 needs that will immediately improve this team are Edge, CB, and OL. TE is a position that traditionally takes a few years to settle into. So outside of just talent let's factor in other players that could be very good that could also have immediate impact, whether they're selected at 16 or we trade back instead of taking Howard. 

1.) Dan Feeney 

2.) Cam Robinson 

3.) Charles Harris--trade back. 

4.) Tim Williams 

5.) Quincy Wilson 

[JoeyFlex5]

52 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Realistically, think of it this way. The top 3 needs that will immediately improve this team are Edge, CB, and OL. TE is a position that traditionally takes a few years to settle into. So outside of just talent let's factor in other players that could be very good that could also have immediate impact, whether they're selected at 16 or we trade back instead of taking Howard. 

1.) Dan Feeney 

2.) Cam Robinson 

3.) Charles Harris--trade back. 

4.) Tim Williams 

5.) Quincy Wilson 

I'm of the mindset that dan feeney would bring the biggest immediate impact and would also be the safest pick. If we took him at 16 I wouldn't bat an eye. That said we have a knack for finding solid guards and RTs, edge rushers and dbs not so much and we can find both in the best way at 16 and 48. It just doesn't make sense for us to pass on a Sidney jones or Quincy Wilson at 16. Although if we can trade back to the 20s and still land Harris, or take feeney, and pick up another 2nd, then I think that's a much better move