[News] Late For Work 2/20: Ravens Can Double Salary-Cap Space With Rare Offseason Moves

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25 minutes ago, J. Naranjo said:

there are teams willing to pay big money for one year of production. ravens paid shareece wright based on 9 games and he now has to be cut. And I dont think its even money related wether aiken stays or goes. he had some comments that basically said he was mad with his position the depth chart and it would certanly factor in free agency decisions

You're comparing a corner to a WR though, which are two VERY different positions in terms of market values and demand. I think NFL teams know that this league is full of guys just like Kamar Aiken.

I would also point out that when players get paid based on one year of production, its always typically based on the most recent year of great production, which doesn't apply to Aiken, because that was two years ago.

By comparison, what's exactly the difference between Kamar Aiken and somebody like, say, Reuben Randle? In terms of production (even just looking at a single season), the numbers would favor Randle heavily.

He got very, very little interest in FA last season, and ultimately signed for what is essentially bare bones.

I think fans greatly overvalue Aiken's value to the NFL, and are going to find out in about a month (or longer most likely) what that value is.

As far as him returning to Baltimore, I could care less where he wants to play or if he even plays here. He's just another guy as far as I've seen, and I don't think him being here or not being here will make much difference in our 2017 success.

Edited February 21 by rmcjacket23

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29 minutes ago, J. Naranjo said:

with so many free agents and have-to-be-cut players in the secondary, webb has to stay. Get him a 2 year extension, that lowers the cap, gets paid like a safety instead of a corner, draft a young guy that can contribute and see where to go from there next year.

If you're going to draft a young guy that contribute, then why would you sign him to an extension? You're just pushing dead money into the future, and you're not really doing much for the salary cap in the long run. Need to look at the salary cap impact over more than just a one year period.

The ONLY way I'm signing him to an extension is if I'm not interested in investing a high draft pick or a FA signing in a safety this offseason. If I'm convinced that I'm going to use a day 1 or day 2 pick on a safety, there's absolutely no way I'd sign him to an extension. I'd keep him on his deal as is.

Based on what I see, Wallace is the only veteran player on the roster I see that will even get any consideration for an extension, and I personally think that's a mistake as well. Don't really see any upside in extending Webb, Pitta or Doom at this point, and I doubt the FO has any interest there as well. I think they're fully aware of where they need to get younger at and fast.

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2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You're comparing a corner to a WR though, which are two VERY different positions in terms of market values and demand. I think NFL teams know that this league is full of guys just like Kamar Aiken.

I would also point out that when players get paid based on one year of production, its always typically based on the most recent year of great production, which doesn't apply to Aiken, because that was two years ago.

By comparison, what's exactly the difference between Kamar Aiken and somebody like, say, Reuben Randle? In terms of production (even just looking at a single season), the numbers would favor Randle heavily.

He got very, very little interest in FA last season, and ultimately signed for what is essentially bare bones.

I think fans greatly overvalue Aiken's value to the NFL, and are going to find out in about a month (or longer most likely) what that value is.

As far as him returning to Baltimore, I could care less where he wants to play or if he even plays here. He's just another guy as far as I've seen, and I don't think him being here or not being here will make much difference in our 2017 success.

Torrey Smith got paid 8M per after posting his best season not in a contract year. I dont expect Aiken to get 8M per, but 5/6 sounds reasonable to me. not that I would pay it or want the ravens to pay it, I just think someone would pay it, browns maybe depending on what happens with Pryor. I agree with you, him being here wouldnt make a difference in our success in 2017, thats why I would like to see him leave.

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3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If you're going to draft a young guy that contribute, then why would you sign him to an extension? You're just pushing dead money into the future, and you're not really doing much for the salary cap in the long run. Need to look at the salary cap impact over more than just a one year period.

The ONLY way I'm signing him to an extension is if I'm not interested in investing a high draft pick or a FA signing in a safety this offseason. If I'm convinced that I'm going to use a day 1 or day 2 pick on a safety, there's absolutely no way I'd sign him to an extension. I'd keep him on his deal as is.

Based on what I see, Wallace is the only veteran player on the roster I see that will even get any consideration for an extension, and I personally think that's a mistake as well. Don't really see any upside in extending Webb, Pitta or Doom at this point, and I doubt the FO has any interest there as well. I think they're fully aware of where they need to get younger at and fast.

because you dont know if the young guy will contribute. its your safety net. imagine we draft a guy high and end up with another matt elam who is not good enough to be on the field. And the extension I would only consider it if the ravens are saying salary cut or release for him. In a dream scenario, I would leave him as it is, draft a young guy and hope he can play. then let webb go next year

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24 minutes ago, J. Naranjo said:

Torrey Smith got paid 8M per after posting his best season not in a contract year. I dont expect Aiken to get 8M per, but 5/6 sounds reasonable to me. not that I would pay it or want the ravens to pay it, I just think someone would pay it, browns maybe depending on what happens with Pryor. I agree with you, him being here wouldnt make a difference in our success in 2017, thats why I would like to see him leave.

Torrey Smith is a speed WR... they're more valuable. Chain movers like Aiken every team already has... not every team has the speed that Torrey does. 

Torrey also had 3 straight seasons over 800 yards and averaged like 17 YPC. Aiken's career best season was roughly the equivalent of an average season over 4 years for Torrey.

There's your difference.

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24 minutes ago, J. Naranjo said:

because you dont know if the young guy will contribute. its your safety net. imagine we draft a guy high and end up with another matt elam who is not good enough to be on the field. And the extension I would only consider it if the ravens are saying salary cut or release for him. In a dream scenario, I would leave him as it is, draft a young guy and hope he can play. then let webb go next year

Yes but you don't have the luxury of keeping every veteran on the roster just in case your draft picks don't pan out. We don't even have the roster space for that.

If that's the case, then you also need a safety net for the safety net. If you can't trust Webb to stay healthy, and you can't trust a rookie to play well, then you need somebody else don't you?

Can spin our wheels on that forever and literally every position. Its why depth is so important. But an extension doesn't solve any of those problems. In fact, it delays all of them.

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2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes but you don't have the luxury of keeping every veteran on the roster just in case your draft picks don't pan out. We don't even have the roster space for that.

If that's the case, then you also need a safety net for the safety net. If you can't trust Webb to stay healthy, and you can't trust a rookie to play well, then you need somebody else don't you?

Can spin our wheels on that forever and literally every position. Its why depth is so important. But an extension doesn't solve any of those problems. In fact, it delays all of them.

not every veteran, but after the expected moves, if you cut webb, your starting safeties would be weddle and marqueston huff. Not only they are your starting safeties, they are your only safeties. If ravens bring someone good in free agency, someone that can start alongside weddle and costs less than webb then sure, cut him and free up cap space. but right now, the ravens cant afford to cut webb unless they want to stick with kendrick lewis as their starter

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8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Torrey Smith is a speed WR... they're more valuable. Chain movers like Aiken every team already has... not every team has the speed that Torrey does. 

Torrey also had 3 straight seasons over 800 yards and averaged like 17 YPC. Aiken's career best season was roughly the equivalent of an average season over 4 years for Torrey.

There's your difference.

What I mean is that Torrey never worked out as a number one receiver and he still got paid big. I dont expect Aiken to be paid that much, but he is going to get paid based on past production, and he doesnt want to be with ravens after not getting on the field this year.

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40 minutes ago, J. Naranjo said:

What I mean is that Torrey never worked out as a number one receiver and he still got paid big. I dont expect Aiken to be paid that much, but he is going to get paid based on past production, and he doesnt want to be with ravens after not getting on the field this year.

Well, getting paid "big" is also relative to when you got paid. Right now, he's a back-end top 20 paid WR, and the difference between him and a Mike Wallace is like $2M a year.

And yes, Aiken will be paid based on past production. The problem is that he doesn't have much in terms of past production, and other teams know that. So he will get paid as such.

If he gets the same treatment as Reuben Randle did, it should surprise nobody. Very similar players.

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trade Jimmi Smith

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trade Jimmi Smith

That makes the Ravens worse, not better.

Pretty obvious at this point that he's the most valuable member of our defense. Got plenty of examples of this in the last few years.