Mock Draft

[GENIUSofFF]

Hello all brothers and sisters of ravens nation. I read this board's news often enough. So I will introduce myself with a mock. I read mocks on here and  I am always very impressed. Tough decision if this draft should be offense or defense themed. Defense is as much ravens tradition as turkey on thanksgiving. But we can not forget about our franchise QB. I will update my mock after the combine.

 

Round1  Cam Robinson- After a trade back into the mid/late 20's. He should be a standout RT. If he is not he can at least play guard at a high level. And we can pick up an additional Round 2 pick in the process. Which makes him a very safe pick.

Round2 DL Demarcus walker- Similar to Michael Bennett but more athletic. Can play the defensive line or OLB in our system. Very productive and underrated burst and athleticism. Subtle and effective moves as a rusher

Round2 Tradavious White- The Cornerback the defense needs to round out a strong group of starters.

Round3 Duwuane Smoot- A fast athletic edge rusher that is athletic enough to drop into coverage

Round3 WR Taywan Taylor- A quick and shifty wideout to move the chains while having the speed and skills to challenge for big plays

Round4 LB Anthony Walker- He bulked up and wasn't as flexible. If he gets back to his ideal size he could be a steal

Next couple rounds I have not really got this far but I will throw some names out there to complete draft. So bear with me 

Round5 QB Nathan Peterman- Has skills to be a very effective backup. He may not be available at this juncture. If not then Chad Kelly is an interesting prospect as well.

Round6  CB Brendan Langley- With some work could be a good center fielder. Played WR and has the ball skills to find the rock.

Round7 OG Collin Buchanan- Has size and athletic traits to work with as backup

[JoeyFlex5]

Not familiar with the late round guys but I would like this draft. Dan feeney is more my cup of tea as I think he's the best guard prospect since Zack Martin and I see Alex Lewis as a better RT, but I do like Robinson and love the idea of trading back to target a guard. Tre white is in my top 5 corners and i think he's really underrated but I think he ends up in the first, jourdan Lewis is really similar but I think he is more likely to be there at 48, I still like Demarcus walker and think he's gonna be a really solid pro but nothing spectacular, but he's such a gamer and so refined and savvy that I think he makes an impact, I like smoot and walker as well. 

I think we could find a better wr in the 3rd like rogers or Godwin, Taylor seems like more of a day 3 prospect to me, but to each his own, if you haven't already I suggest watching some of darreus rogers, iM not one to clamor for a boldin clone or compare every big bodied guy to boldin but I'll be damned if he doesn't look exactly like boldin on tape. 

Solid mock

[PurpleHorseman]

15 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not familiar with the late round guys but I would like this draft. Dan feeney is more my cup of tea as I think he's the best guard prospect since Zack Martin and I see Alex Lewis as a better RT, but I do like Robinson and love the idea of trading back to target a guard. Tre white is in my top 5 corners and i think he's really underrated but I think he ends up in the first, jourdan Lewis is really similar but I think he is more likely to be there at 48, I still like Demarcus walker and think he's gonna be a really solid pro but nothing spectacular, but he's such a gamer and so refined and savvy that I think he makes an impact, I like smoot and walker as well. 

I think we could find a better wr in the 3rd like rogers or Godwin, Taylor seems like more of a day 3 prospect to me, but to each his own, if you haven't already I suggest watching some of darreus rogers, iM not one to clamor for a boldin clone or compare every big bodied guy to boldin but I'll be damned if he doesn't look exactly like boldin on tape. 

Solid mock

You know something. I was splitting hairs with Feeney and Robinson. Next week I may go Feeney. I'm not sure myself White is there at this point. But if he is I think Oz and Biscotti race to the podium. I will check into Jordan Lewis and Rogers. It is so early in draft season. I'm sure all opinions will change some.

I like Lewis at RT. This is a little off subject but would you be interested in trading a round 5 pick or signingdolphins LT? I ask because he is only 31 and from Maryland. And he could play RT or Guard. Which would really shake things up some. BTW what do you think about fitting juju into our draft in round2 maybe3?

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

You know something. I was splitting hairs with Feeney and Robinson. Next week I may go Feeney. I'm not sure myself White is there at this point. But if he is I think Oz and Biscotti race to the podium. I will check into Jordan Lewis and Rogers. It is so early in draft season. I'm sure all opinions will change some.

I like Lewis at RT. This is a little off subject but would you be interested in trading a round 5 pick or signingdolphins LT? I ask because he is only 31 and from Maryland. And he could play RT or Guard. Which would really shake things up some. BTW what do you think about fitting juju into our draft in round2 maybe3?

I'm iffy on juju, I'm not as low on him as some but I don't love him, I see a third rounder and personally I prefer darreus rogers, his counterpart.

the LT from Miami are you referring to branden Albert?

[PurpleHorseman]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm iffy on juju, I'm not as low on him as some but I don't love him, I see a third rounder and personally I prefer darreus rogers, his counterpart.

the LT from Miami are you referring to branden Albert?

Yep, couldn't think of his name for a minute there lol

[RavensDieHard21]

Solid. I hated the Robinson idea for a while, but I think he will project to be an elite Guard. Is easily trade back 6-10 picks if Robinson was the guy. 

Walker is a solid rusher but not flashy. I wonder how else would play in our system though. I think White is gone too, but Conley, Lewis, or maybe even dare say Wilson will be there in the second. 

[Jacquouille]

Apart from Robinson, I like it. Not sure we could pick up a 2nd round pick with a trade back though.

I really don't understand the hype with Robinson, his footwork is terrible, he moves like he's carrying 10kgs bags on each side. I largely prefer Forrest Lamp or Feeney.

[GENIUSofFF]

On 2/20/2017 at 11:24 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

You know something. I was splitting hairs with Feeney and Robinson. Next week I may go Feeney. I'm not sure myself White is there at this point. But if he is I think Oz and Biscotti race to the podium. I will check into Jordan Lewis and Rogers. It is so early in draft season. I'm sure all opinions will change some.

I like Lewis at RT. This is a little off subject but would you be interested in trading a round 5 pick or signingdolphins LT? I ask because he is only 31 and from Maryland. And he could play RT or Guard. Which would really shake things up some. BTW what do you think about fitting juju into our draft in round2 maybe3?

Clarify,this is my post, purple showed me this website but there was some problems posting. While troubleshooting my account I used purples phone to post but forgot to sign him out. Sorry for any confusion. We agree on most things however. Like Walker behind one of most underrated players in this draft.

    While purple likes Judson, I think he is going to be a top 10 rusher this year. We really struck gold with Judon. I'm more right player right price fan. After winning the fantasy league for first time. Ready for   draft season football now.lol

[Italian Raven]

I'm quite confused on a few notes.

First off I don't get who we're trading back with (also, who are we giving up for at that point?). Second, I'm pretty sure that, unless you fall to one of the very last firs round spots, you're not getting a second rounder in exchange.

Talking about the picks: not sure I'd love Robinson as much as you there. I'd wait until day 2 where good olinemen tend to fall regularly and there's going to be a couple of them available while taking a defensive playmaker at 16.

Walker can't win on the edge. He's this year's Ogbah. He finds some nice gaps and hits them with power but if you notice he wins them mostly when lined up at 3tech. I'm not sure we need that kind of player and I personally just don't like his style. 

Smoot would be a reach there imo. I see K.Davis, Hall and even D.Wise as better edge prospects. 

I have no absolutely idea about the later guys, so I'm going to trust you there

I really like White btw. Hopefully he's still there when we pick.

[January J]

I wouldn't hate it- decent draft but I expect us to do better.

[trevorsteadman]

On 2/20/2017 at 9:39 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

I'm iffy on juju, I'm not as low on him as some but I don't love him, I see a third rounder and personally I prefer darreus rogers, his counterpart.

the LT from Miami are you referring to branden Albert?

I agree 100% I think Darreus Rodgers will become a better player than JuJu

[PurpleHorseman]

4 hours ago, GENIUSofFF said:

Clarify,this is my post, purple showed me this website but there was some problems posting. While troubleshooting my account I used purples phone to post but forgot to sign him out. Sorry for any confusion. We agree on most things however. Like Walker behind one of most underrated players in this draft.

    While purple likes Judson, I think he is going to be a top 10 rusher this year. We really struck gold with Judon. I'm more right player right price fan. After winning the fantasy league for first time. Ready for   draft season football now.lol

Dude, I said a million times I think Judon is going to be really good. So strong and slippery. Just cuz I say we could use a young disruptive rusher to complement him. Doesn't necessarily mean I do not have confidence in him. I'm guessing 12-13 sacks for Judon this year

Edited February 22 by PurpleHorseman

[stuckonaboat13]

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 9:30 AM, January J said:

I wouldn't hate it- decent draft but I expect us to do better.

Agreed, this is such a tough draft to figure out for two reasons.

1. The ravens have 7  legitimate  ways to go with this pick: RB,CB,OL,DL,S,WR,LB

2. Each of the above positions has a quality player that could fall to the ravens

RB: Dalvin Cook, Christian McCafferrey

CB: Sidney Jones (wash),Marlon, Humphrey(bama)

OL: Cam Robinson(bama), Forrest Lamp(WKU)

DL: Solomon Thomas(stan), Jonathan Allen(bama)

S:  Jamal adams(LSU), Jabrill peppers (mich)

WR: Corey Davis(WMU), John Ross(wash)

LB; Reuben Foster(bama), Haason Reddick(temple)

Seriously there isn't a player listed above I wouldn't be thrilled with if the ravens selected at 16. You know there will be a run at QBs, there always is which just pushes these guys further down the board. Depending on how it plays out 49ers, browns, jets, bears will all be selecting Qb out of desperation. You could also throw in the Bills if things go south with Tyrod.

My hope for the pick: Jamal Adams (LSU) , Who better to learn the position from then Weddle. They will make a great duo.

 

 

 

[January J]

26 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Agreed, this is such a tough draft to figure out for two reasons.

1. The ravens have 7  legitimate  ways to go with this pick: RB,CB,OL,DL,S,WR,LB

2. Each of the above positions has a quality player that could fall to the ravens

RB: Dalvin Cook, Christian McCafferrey

CB: Sidney Jones (wash),Marlon, Humphrey(bama)

OL: Cam Robinson(bama), Forrest Lamp(WKU)

DL: Solomon Thomas(stan), Jonathan Allen(bama)

S:  Jamal adams(LSU), Jabrill peppers (mich)

WR: Corey Davis(WMU), John Ross(wash)

LB; Reuben Foster(bama), Haason Reddick(temple)

Seriously there isn't a player listed above I wouldn't be thrilled with if the ravens selected at 16. You know there will be a run at QBs, there always is which just pushes these guys further down the board. Depending on how it plays out 49ers, browns, jets, bears will all be selecting Qb out of desperation. You could also throw in the Bills if things go south with Tyrod.

My hope for the pick: Jamal Adams (LSU) , Who better to learn the position from then Weddle. They will make a great duo.

 

 

 

And don't forget the possible tradeback targets such as Feeney- Howard- or Watt- none of which I would be mad at. ESP if it involved picking up an extra 2nd or even 3rd.

[rossihunter2]

3 hours ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Agreed, this is such a tough draft to figure out for two reasons.

1. The ravens have 7  legitimate  ways to go with this pick: RB,CB,OL,DL,S,WR,LB

2. Each of the above positions has a quality player that could fall to the ravens

RB: Dalvin Cook, Christian McCafferrey

CB: Sidney Jones (wash),Marlon, Humphrey(bama)

OL: Cam Robinson(bama), Forrest Lamp(WKU)

DL: Solomon Thomas(stan), Jonathan Allen(bama)

S:  Jamal adams(LSU), Jabrill peppers (mich)

WR: Corey Davis(WMU), John Ross(wash)

LB; Reuben Foster(bama), Haason Reddick(temple)

Seriously there isn't a player listed above I wouldn't be thrilled with if the ravens selected at 16. You know there will be a run at QBs, there always is which just pushes these guys further down the board. Depending on how it plays out 49ers, browns, jets, bears will all be selecting Qb out of desperation. You could also throw in the Bills if things go south with Tyrod.

My hope for the pick: Jamal Adams (LSU) , Who better to learn the position from then Weddle. They will make a great duo.

 

 

 

 

lol you just listed literally every position on the field other than qb but the point stands - it means we could pick anyone who's the best talent on the board and fill a need (the only difference from previous years is the need filling thing), although i'd argue defensive line is less of a need than other positions even if williams leaves in free agency

in terms of the players you listed: i dont think mccaffrey (and maybe not even cook or fournette) are worth the 16th pick, marlon humphrey i would hate at the 16th pick and i dont think any of the offensive linemen are worth that pick unless you trade back and pick up extra picks, on the defensive line i dont think there's any way jonathan allen falls at all, and i hope that adams (or hooker) falls but i doubt they will get out of the top 7 and jabrill peppers just strikes me as too jack-of-all-master-of-none to be a good pick at 16 or even anywhere in the first if im honest, john ross again i think is more of a trade back to the end of the first round kind of candidate than a pick at 16 guy, reuben foster will almost certainly be gone and haason reddick is again more of an end of the 1st kind of guy

in terms of guys dropping i think it's far more likely that someone like derek barnett or sidney jones falls into our lap than reuben foster or jonathan allen or either of the top 2 safeties

[stuckonaboat13]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

in terms of guys dropping i think it's far more likely that someone like derek barnett or sidney jones falls into our lap than reuben foster or jonathan allen or either of the top 2 safeties

 It ALL depends on the QBs. I don't think teams are brave enough to wait until the second round like they should to get guys like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky, or even Patrick Mahomes. Four offseason moves that  will have a big influence on this draft are

1. the Skins getting a deal done with Cousins

2. Do the Pats trade or keep Garrapolo(SP?)

3. Bills bringing back Tyrod

4. Jay Cutlers release

In a perfect world the Skins sign or franchise Cousins, the Pats Keep Jimmy G, the Bills let Taylor go, and Cutler signs with a team as a back up. In turn it forces the Browns, 49ers, bears,jets, and Bills to select a QB. Otherwise they are throwing a season away rolling the dice with guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett, EJ Manuel, Matt Schaub etc etc .  There is no way the Jets or 49ers will pass on a QB unless they get Jimmy G, so atleast two Qbs will go in the top 6.

Assuming the Browns take Garrett with their first pick and select a QB with their 12th pick, theres likely to be 4 qbs gone already so things could get interesting for the Ravens with the talent available.

[rossihunter2]

49 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

 It ALL depends on the QBs. I don't think teams are brave enough to wait until the second round like they should to get guys like Deshaun Watson, Mitch Trubisky, or even Patrick Mahomes. Four offseason moves that  will have a big influence on this draft are

1. the Skins getting a deal done with Cousins

2. Do the Pats trade or keep Garrapolo(SP?)

3. Bills bringing back Tyrod

4. Jay Cutlers release

In a perfect world the Skins sign or franchise Cousins, the Pats Keep Jimmy G, the Bills let Taylor go, and Cutler signs with a team as a back up. In turn it forces the Browns, 49ers, bears,jets, and Bills to select a QB. Otherwise they are throwing a season away rolling the dice with guys like Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, Blaine Gabbert, Ryan Mallett, EJ Manuel, Matt Schaub etc etc .  There is no way the Jets or 49ers will pass on a QB unless they get Jimmy G, so atleast two Qbs will go in the top 6.

Assuming the Browns take Garrett with their first pick and select a QB with their 12th pick, theres likely to be 4 qbs gone already so things could get interesting for the Ravens with the talent available.

I mean there's also a point where need meets value and unless a team falls in love with pat mahomes I don't think more than 3 qbs go before our pick - even then that only gets you a top 13 guy on your board rather than a top 16 guy

i think it's more likely that one of the browns/bears/49ers get jimmy g, and I think the jets know they are so much more than a qb away so might just restock talent - especially in the secondary, if the bills are getting rid of Tyrod then they are definitely taking a qb if one makes it to them

my hope is that a team ahead of us falls in love with an o lineman (I don't think there's one worth a top 20 pick this year) or has a different ranking of cbs to us and maybe both rbs and oj Howard get taken before our pick and maybe 4 qbs do get taken - even in those optimal circumstances i think Garrett, Allen, Adams, hooker, foster, lattimore, Williams are all pretty much guaranteed to go ahead of us which gives us some unbelievable options at 16 stikk

 I just disagree with your valuation of some players

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I mean there's also a point where need meets value and unless a team falls in love with pat mahomes I don't think more than 3 qbs go before our pick - even then that only gets you a top 13 guy on your board rather than a top 16 guy

i think it's more likely that one of the browns/bears/49ers get jimmy g, and I think the jets know they are so much more than a qb away so might just restock talent - especially in the secondary, if the bills are getting rid of Tyrod then they are definitely taking a qb if one makes it to them

my hope is that a team ahead of us falls in love with an o lineman (I don't think there's one worth a top 20 pick this year) or has a different ranking of cbs to us and maybe both rbs and oj Howard get taken before our pick and maybe 4 qbs do get taken - even in those optimal circumstances i think Garrett, Allen, Adams, hooker, foster, lattimore, Williams are all pretty much guaranteed to go ahead of us which gives us some unbelievable options at 16 stikk

 I just disagree with your valuation of some players

I don't like the whole rumor of a team trading for Garropolo. He has one season left on his contract and he was a 2nd round pick meaning a team will likely have to give up a 1st for the Patriots to consider. He is not worth a top 12 pick for the Browns, Bears, 49ers, or Jets to get. He has one contract year left and has had limited snaps. Most NFL Front Offices have came out already and said that they would rather trade for AJ McCarron than they would Jimmy Garropolo. I know this is a story because the Patriots just won the Super Bowl and Brady looks like he can play till he is 80 years old. But I think there is a better chance Arizona or Houston goes after one of those two quarterbacks. And I still don't think either one do because Arizona still has their faith in Carson Palmer for one year and Houston already has so much money tied up in quarterbacks. 

[GENIUSofFF]

On 2/20/2017 at 3:11 AM, GENIUSofFF said:

Hello all brothers and sisters of ravens nation. I read this board's news often enough. So I will introduce myself with a mock. I read mocks on here and  I am always very impressed. Tough decision if this draft should be offense or defense themed. Defense is as much ravens tradition as turkey on thanksgiving. But we can not forget about our franchise QB. I will update my mock after the combine.

 

Round1  Cam Robinson- After a trade back into the mid/late 20's. He should be a standout RT. If he is not he can at least play guard at a high level. And we can pick up an additional Round 2 pick in the process. Which makes him a very safe pick.

Round2 DL Demarcus walker- Similar to Michael Bennett but more athletic. Can play the defensive line or OLB in our system. Very productive and underrated burst and athleticism. Subtle and effective moves as a rusher

Round2 Tradavious White- The Cornerback the defense needs to round out a strong group of starters.

Round3 Duwuane Smoot- A fast athletic edge rusher that is athletic enough to drop into coverage

Round3 WR Taywan Taylor- A quick and shifty wideout to move the chains while having the speed and skills to challenge for big plays

Round4 LB Anthony Walker- He bulked up and wasn't as flexible. If he gets back to his ideal size he could be a steal

Next couple rounds I have not really got this far but I will throw some names out there to complete draft. So bear with me 

Round5 QB Nathan Peterman- Has skills to be a very effective backup. He may not be available at this juncture. If not then Chad Kelly is an interesting prospect as well.

Round6  CB Brendan Langley- With some work could be a good center fielder. Played WR and has the ball skills to find the rock.

Round7 OG Collin Buchanan- Has size and athletic traits to work with as backup

I'm changing the Round 1pick to Dan Feeney after a trade back to late round 1. More I watch the more I like him. Future pro bowl caliber guard. I'm considering changing Walker. But I'm not sure who yet. Way to early in draft season.

[GENIUSofFF]

On 2/22/2017 at 8:24 AM, Italian Raven said:

I'm quite confused on a few notes.

First off I don't get who we're trading back with (also, who are we giving up for at that point?). Second, I'm pretty sure that, unless you fall to one of the very last firs round spots, you're not getting a second rounder in exchange.

Talking about the picks: not sure I'd love Robinson as much as you there. I'd wait until day 2 where good olinemen tend to fall regularly and there's going to be a couple of them available while taking a defensive playmaker at 16.

Walker can't win on the edge. He's this year's Ogbah. He finds some nice gaps and hits them with power but if you notice he wins them mostly when lined up at 3tech. I'm not sure we need that kind of player and I personally just don't like his style. 

Smoot would be a reach there imo. I see K.Davis, Hall and even D.Wise as better edge prospects. 

I have no absolutely idea about the later guys, so I'm going to trust you there

I really like White btw. Hopefully he's still there when we pick.

Davis and wise are strong edge setters but I ilike Smoot better as a stand up rush rush lb. Davis and Wise could be good base ends in a 4-3. But the power to play End in the 3-4 is a different league literally. I agree that there are quality lineman in later rounds. But best shot at aa franchise tackle or guard or center comes in the first round.

Ozzie and Harbaugh could very well double dip along the offensive line. Harbaugh and Biscotti really sounded like building Joe's elite line is a top priority for our team. And who could blame them? When our line dominated and helped Joe feel comfortable scanning through  his targets. He was the nfl's best QB in the 2012 playoff run. So I tend to agree with Harbaugh and Biscotti. Joe has the skills to be the nfl's best QB. But if we went defense who could argue with a Tim Williams, Derek Barnett,  or Jamal Adams?

[GENIUSofFF]

On 2/22/2017 at 10:01 AM, trevorsteadman said:

I agree 100% I think Darreus Rodgers will become a better player than JuJu

I agree Rodgers is going to be a better NFL player. Juju is hyped but Rogers is more impressive and has better traits

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I don't like the whole rumor of a team trading for Garropolo. He has one season left on his contract and he was a 2nd round pick meaning a team will likely have to give up a 1st for the Patriots to consider. He is not worth a top 12 pick for the Browns, Bears, 49ers, or Jets to get. He has one contract year left and has had limited snaps. Most NFL Front Offices have came out already and said that they would rather trade for AJ McCarron than they would Jimmy Garropolo. I know this is a story because the Patriots just won the Super Bowl and Brady looks like he can play till he is 80 years old. But I think there is a better chance Arizona or Houston goes after one of those two quarterbacks. And I still don't think either one do because Arizona still has their faith in Carson Palmer for one year and Houston already has so much money tied up in quarterbacks. 

i dont know where you are getting this but ive heard nothing of the sort - ive heard that the browns and 49ers are particularly interested in garropolo - and of course this is the year the pats would get rid of him because next year is his FA year so the most they would get is a 3rd rounder from him leaving whereas they can probably get at least a 1st this year from him - and to be honest he's probably worth it, especially considering the overall poor level of qb talent in this year's draft... jimmy g is far and away a better prospect for the future than deshaun watson, deshone kizer, mitch trubisky and pat mahomes. i would never begrudge one of the qb needy teams for selling their pick for jimmy g because he is more promising and has shown more than any college qb - plus you can literally sell anything for a franchise qb and be proven right because they are that important

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, GENIUSofFF said:

I agree Rodgers is going to be a better NFL player. Juju is hyped but Rogers is more impressive and has better traits

At this juncture I think you guys are crazy. I really like JuJu. He plays physical on contested catches and separates better than given credit for. Good runner after the catch. He is far better than Treadwell could ever dream. My opinion could change but I really like juju

[Robbyrobbass]

On 2/20/2017 at 10:57 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not familiar with the late round guys but I would like this draft. Dan feeney is more my cup of tea as I think he's the best guard prospect since Zack Martin and I see Alex Lewis as a better RT, but I do like Robinson and love the idea of trading back to target a guard. Tre white is in my top 5 corners and i think he's really underrated but I think he ends up in the first, jourdan Lewis is really similar but I think he is more likely to be there at 48, I still like Demarcus walker and think he's gonna be a really solid pro but nothing spectacular, but he's such a gamer and so refined and savvy that I think he makes an impact, I like smoot and walker as well. 

I think we could find a better wr in the 3rd like rogers or Godwin, Taylor seems like more of a day 3 prospect to me, but to each his own, if you haven't already I suggest watching some of darreus rogers, iM not one to clamor for a boldin clone or compare every big bodied guy to boldin but I'll be damned if he doesn't look exactly like boldin on tape. 

Solid mock

Taylor  is two times better than both the wide Receivers  you mentioned  combined We would be lucky to get him in the third after the combine  

[January J]

One side note we actually don't have a 7th round pick this year due to the givens trade that was a complete failure. Was worth a shot though

[trevorsteadman]

On 2/24/2017 at 7:02 PM, rossihunter2 said:

i dont know where you are getting this but ive heard nothing of the sort - ive heard that the browns and 49ers are particularly interested in garropolo - and of course this is the year the pats would get rid of him because next year is his FA year so the most they would get is a 3rd rounder from him leaving whereas they can probably get at least a 1st this year from him - and to be honest he's probably worth it, especially considering the overall poor level of qb talent in this year's draft... jimmy g is far and away a better prospect for the future than deshaun watson, deshone kizer, mitch trubisky and pat mahomes. i would never begrudge one of the qb needy teams for selling their pick for jimmy g because he is more promising and has shown more than any college qb - plus you can literally sell anything for a franchise qb and be proven right because they are that important

http://nesn.com/2017/02/nfl-rumors-nfl-executives-prefer-aj-mccarron-over-jimmy-garoppolo/

There are several other articles but from what I read McCarron is actually favored more by NFL Executives over Garropolo. Don't ask me why, but I would also be hestitant trading for Garropolo because of his limited snaps in the best offensive system in the NFL over the past how many years. To me trading a top 10 pick for him shows the NFL learned nothing from the Osweiler situation. Sure they are different but his limited time was enough to earn $72 million dollars and the Texans already are scrambling for their receipt for Osweiler. A top 12 pick in the draft is trading away an almost guaranteed talent for an unknown in the best offensive system in football. 

I think the Titans and Browns have finally caught on. After both traded back last draft and both already talking about trading back again this draft you can already see their talent pools rising. 

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

http://nesn.com/2017/02/nfl-rumors-nfl-executives-prefer-aj-mccarron-over-jimmy-garoppolo/

There are several other articles but from what I read McCarron is actually favored more by NFL Executives over Garropolo. Don't ask me why, but I would also be hestitant trading for Garropolo because of his limited snaps in the best offensive system in the NFL over the past how many years. To me trading a top 10 pick for him shows the NFL learned nothing from the Osweiler situation. Sure they are different but his limited time was enough to earn $72 million dollars and the Texans already are scrambling for their receipt for Osweiler. A top 12 pick in the draft is trading away an almost guaranteed talent for an unknown in the best offensive system in football. 

I think the Titans and Browns have finally caught on. After both traded back last draft and both already talking about trading back again this draft you can already see their talent pools rising. 

I see what you are saying but osweiler never looked great he just looked like a potential serviceable player who was an upgrade over a peyton manning who had fallen off a cliff - when jimmy g stepped in he looked like the best player on the field - you can maybe call that system but it's not an easy system and he ran it well

in terms of mccarron I think he was thought about more in league circles but just not in the media because he's a less sexy name - both would be good options

the way I think about jimmy g is that hes shown more than all of the rookie qbs coming in so if you trade him for that 12 pick in stead of say taking Watson or trubisky then you are getting a more proven player because of how weak looking this qb class is - add to that the fact that you don't have to pay him yet because he's still under contract and it's not like osweiler at all - if he's bad it's a 1 year rental, and you still have that number 1 pick to play with, if he's good then you have a potential franchise qb and they are worth their weight in gold - no team is going to shirk paying their franchise guy

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On 3/2/2017 at 5:59 PM, rossihunter2 said:

I see what you are saying but osweiler never looked great he just looked like a potential serviceable player who was an upgrade over a peyton manning who had fallen off a cliff - when jimmy g stepped in he looked like the best player on the field - you can maybe call that system but it's not an easy system and he ran it well

in terms of mccarron I think he was thought about more in league circles but just not in the media because he's a less sexy name - both would be good options

the way I think about jimmy g is that hes shown more than all of the rookie qbs coming in so if you trade him for that 12 pick in stead of say taking Watson or trubisky then you are getting a more proven player because of how weak looking this qb class is - add to that the fact that you don't have to pay him yet because he's still under contract and it's not like osweiler at all - if he's bad it's a 1 year rental, and you still have that number 1 pick to play with, if he's good then you have a potential franchise qb and they are worth their weight in gold - no team is going to shirk paying their franchise guy

Even Matt Cassel looked good in that system. Even Brissett who the Patriots say they are not comfortable yet having the main back up job looked like a god one of his two games. 

Osweiler looked to have talent, enough to throw $72 million dollars at. To me you trade back in this draft to allow another team to sink ship in this quarterback class. Get picks in next years draft and hope there is a guy or two in next years draft that are better than the ones currently.

A first round pick for a guy only guaranteed to be on your roster one year is too steep in my mind. At least a rookie has 5 years to see if they have anything to show. If Garropolo does turn out decent he will be getting paid around $23 million a year on a contract starting in 2018. 

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6 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Even Matt Cassel looked good in that system. Even Brissett who the Patriots say they are not comfortable yet having the main back up job looked like a god one of his two games. 

Osweiler looked to have talent, enough to throw $72 million dollars at. To me you trade back in this draft to allow another team to sink ship in this quarterback class. Get picks in next years draft and hope there is a guy or two in next years draft that are better than the ones currently.

A first round pick for a guy only guaranteed to be on your roster one year is too steep in my mind. At least a rookie has 5 years to see if they have anything to show. If Garropolo does turn out decent he will be getting paid around $23 million a year on a contract starting in 2018. 

The browns won't worry about that kind of money though, they have 100 mill in cap space which they won't be able to spend all of this offseason... and you made the point for me, not everyone looks good in that system or the pats wouldn't be worried about brissett, and there's a difference between looking good and being the best player on the field