Mock Draft #1

[MightyRaven]

Round 1 Ryan Ramcyzk OT Wisconsin

Round 2 Dede Westbrook WR Oklahoma 

2016: 80 Receptions for 1524 yards and 17 TD 

Round 3 Dalvin Tomlinson DT Alabama

2016: 17 solo tackles, 62 total tackles, with 3 sacks and a forced fumble 

Round 3 comp Rasoul Douglas CB West Virginia

2016: 49 solo tackles, 70 total tackles with 8 picks and 1 sack

Round 4 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma

2016: 1060 yards with 12 touchdowns, 10 receptions for 106 yards and 1 touchdown

Round 5 Vince Biegel OLB Wisconsin

2016: 29 solo tackles with 6 being for a loss while having 4 sacks and a forced fumble

Round 6 Marquez White CB Florida State

2016: 19 solo tackles with 2 picks 2 tackles for a loss

Round 7 Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss

2016: 2758 yards with 19 TD 332 yards rushing with 5 rushing TD

[RavensDieHard21]

Ramczyk had a major injury to his hip I'm pretty sure. I wouldn't touch him with our first even if we traded back. Westbrook is solid though. 

However, Douglas, Tomlinson and Perine would be great value picks. 

[JoeyFlex5]

i would find another team to root for if this was our draft

[allblackraven]

DeDe Westbrook has two DV arrests, that kind of rap sheet won't fly with our FO.

Some good players in this mock but not having a new CB or pass rusher after first two rounds? Not going to happen.

[thieverycorporation]

I'd hope the talent of Westbrook would outweigh his past boo boo's. He's young and it happens. He would be a fresh start to the receiving corp and everyone should be given support even if they made bad judgements. The Ravens need to get off that high horse and ride one to a championship/superbowl. I haven't seen a stat on high character. And for what it's worth a lot successful teams of modern day era could be given * alongside that title. If you question one players actions. 

[JoeyFlex5]

18 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

I'd hope the talent of Westbrook would outweigh his past boo boo's. He's young and it happens. He would be a fresh start to the receiving corp and everyone should be given support even if they made bad judgements. The Ravens need to get off that high horse and ride one to a championship/superbowl. I haven't seen a stat on high character. And for what it's worth a lot successful teams of modern day era could be given * alongside that title. If you question one players actions. 

if hes been arrested for it on 2 seperate occasions, its no longer just a young and dumb mistake, its just his behavior. 

im all for overlooking stupid young mistakes, but someone who just has bad judgement/bad character(as shown by multiple offenses of something that is totally intolerable), is a totally different animal. even a team with a stellar track record of characters cant afford the PR nightmare that comes with drafting high a player with 2 DV arrests, let alone the ravens. 

not to mention, dede westbrook is just not the kind of talent that makes you toss all concerns about character out the window. if the ravens are even gonna consider a guy with 2 DV arrests then he better come out of college looking like julio jones.

[rossihunter2]

7 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I'd hope the talent of Westbrook would outweigh his past boo boo's. He's young and it happens. He would be a fresh start to the receiving corp and everyone should be given support even if they made bad judgements. The Ravens need to get off that high horse and ride one to a championship/superbowl. I haven't seen a stat on high character. And for what it's worth a lot successful teams of modern day era could be given * alongside that title. If you question one players actions. 

DV is not just a past "boo boo" - it's a reprehensible thing that is untouchable to the Ravens and I'd stand by that 100%. There is no way Dede Westbrook would or should be on our team.

[thieverycorporation]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

DV is not just a past "boo boo" - it's a reprehensible thing that is untouchable to the Ravens and I'd stand by that 100%. There is no way Dede Westbrook would or should be on our team.

So you'd have passed on Peyton Manning, or Jameis Winston due character concerns. Point is Westbrooks charges were dropped by the Police on both cases as was Winstons and Manning. Question: How does sexual assault not equate to domestic violence of the highest order. Judgement calls without all the facts rings hollow and provides a false narrative. 

[thieverycorporation]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

if hes been arrested for it on 2 seperate occasions, its no longer just a young and dumb mistake, its just his behavior. 

im all for overlooking stupid young mistakes, but someone who just has bad judgement/bad character(as shown by multiple offenses of something that is totally intolerable), is a totally different animal. even a team with a stellar track record of characters cant afford the PR nightmare that comes with drafting high a player with 2 DV arrests, let alone the ravens. 

not to mention, dede westbrook is just not the kind of talent that makes you toss all concerns about character out the window. if the ravens are even gonna consider a guy with 2 DV arrests then he better come out of college looking like julio jones.

I get your point that you don't care for Westbrook's skill set but analysis would disagree and we'll just have to how his career pans out. I personally love his skill set.

Edited February 19 by thieverycorporation

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, thieverycorporation said:

So you'd have passed on Peyton Manning, or Jameis Winston due character concerns. Point is Westbrooks charges were dropped by the Police on both cases as was Winstons and Manning. Question: How does sexual assault not equate to domestic violence of the highest order. Judgement calls without all the facts rings hollow and provides a false narrative. 

i still feel uncomfortable about jameis winston - not as a football player - and it's not a blanket concern whereby you take everyone off your list but id be uncomfortable about dede westbrook

[BmoreBird22]

12 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i would find another team to root for if this was our draft

We're on the same page.

[PurpleHorseman]

5 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

So you'd have passed on Peyton Manning, or Jameis Winston due character concerns. Point is Westbrooks charges were dropped by the Police on both cases as was Winstons and Manning. Question: How does sexual assault not equate to domestic violence of the highest order. Judgement calls without all the facts rings hollow and provides a false narrative. 

I agree it happens. And it should be investigated before judgement. There are so many different instances. How many times girl hits boy. Boy holds her arms bruises girl. Girl calls the police. Is girl going to acknowledge it? Just because lowlife Ray Rice knocked his wife out cold. Then  looked as if he didn't give a crap. Like it's a day at the office on Saturday night. Doesn't make everybody who is ever charged a guilty lowlife. And the charges were dropped on every occasion.

 

Not saying he is innocent. I'm saying we should look into it. Would not want to overlook a potential perennial pro bowl talent for no real good reason. 

As for his talent he has speed similar to Will Fuller. But probably not quite as fast. Especially on breakaway long speed. But he is nonetheless very fast. However I do think he is a savvvier route runner than Fuller.

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

I get your point that you don't care for Westbrook's skill set but analysis would disagree and we'll just have to how his career pans out. I personally love his skill set.

Who the hell said I don't like his skill set? I said to take a guy with 2 DV arrests he better come out looking like the GOAT, and it's true. That is the one thing an NFL player absolutely cannot get caught up in and he was caught up twice. Risk and reward. I know you care less because hey flashy players right? But then I'm sure the jags thought that about Justin Blackmon, and the cowboys about randy Gregory, and the niners about aldon smith.

[thieverycorporation]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Who the hell said I don't like his skill set? I said to take a guy with 2 DV arrests he better come out looking like the GOAT, and it's true. That is the one thing an NFL player absolutely cannot get caught up in and he was caught up twice. Risk and reward. I know you care less because hey flashy players right? But then I'm sure the jags thought that about Justin Blackmon, and the cowboys about randy Gregory, and the niners about aldon smith.

It's hard to gauge your stance on the matter as you wrote a critique of his talent and it doesn't jive with this latest response. And I personally like productive players first a foremost. If they happen to be what you'd call flashy then so be it. Anyone could site players that ultimately had red flags. No brainer response of the sort. You can/ should also list quite a few players with no history of red flags before there careers started and now are being caught up in compromising situations. Re read what you wrote before you put your foot in your mouth as I'm not a band wagoner type. lol  Why would he have to be another J. Jones to be a successful player in the NFL. If he's properly vetted then it would all shake out in the wash. To dismiss him without factual evidence seems like you have a complex or fear derived by media hyped information. Last I checked you can't penalize a person twice (Double jeopardy) after being officially adjudicated via police information/investigation or the courts judicial system as to the merits of an accusation of criminal acts. So you are now judge jury and executioner. How Trump of You! Like you never were accused of something and either proved yourself innocent or the matter was dropped in your entire life. You sound crazy. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468972/article/red-flags-2015-nfl-draft-prospects-with-character-concerns

Edited February 19 by thieverycorporation

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, thieverycorporation said:

It's hard to gauge your stance on the matter as you wrote a critique of his talent and it doesn't jive with this latest response. And I personally like productive players first a foremost. If they happen to be what you'd call flashy then so be it. Anyone could site players that ultimately had red flags. No brainer response of the sort. You can/ should also list quite a few players with no history of red flags before there careers started and now are being caught up in compromising situations. Re read what you wrote before you put your foot in your mouth as I'm not a band wagoner type. lol  Why would he have to be another J. Jones to be a successful player in the NFL. If he's properly vetted then it would all shake out in the wash. To dismiss him without factual evidence seems like you have a complex or fear derived by media hyped information. Last I checked you can't penalize a person twice (Double jeopardy) after being officially adjudicated via police information/investigation or the courts judicial system as to the merits of an accusation of criminal acts. So you are now judge jury and executioner. How Trump of You! Like you never were accused of something and either proved yourself innocent or the matter was dropped in your entire life. You sound crazy. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000468972/article/red-flags-2015-nfl-draft-prospects-with-character-concerns

just because he doesn't think westbrook isn't a perfect talent doesn't mean he doesn't like his skillset, it just means he's not the perfect prospect - critiques are inherent in the process of evaluating players otherwise everyone would just be guessing - and there are many other productive players than dede westbrook who don't have a history of domestic violence charges - and likewise you have to look at the specifics of every single case and the specifics of westbrook's charges are suspicious to say the least given their manner and the reasons for them being dropped etc. - im not dismissing him completely because you're right i dont have all the facts, but the ravens will (and if they don't they won't draft him) but given i think dorial green beckham was off our board i think westbrook is guaranteed to be off our board

whereas someone like ryan anderson who was also charged with domestic violence, if you look at the specifics of the case i would suggest he'd probably still be on our board despite the DV charge

in terms of listing players with no history of red flags who then do stuff, no team has a crystal ball, you can only draft what someone has shown - if someone is a headcase then that might show up in interviews etc. but you don't really have any idea if anyone is going to do something they / your team will regret so there's no point listing them because they have no baring on the draft process because you can't know any of these things without hindsight

and there is something to be said for "double jeopardy" given the role model status / omnipresence of the public eye in high profile sports - players have to be held to a higher standard because they are highly visible and set an example... the nfl must as far as possible be seen to be moral or it will eventually lose the support of fans

and there very much is a difference between being proven innocent and having the "matter" dropped - in the second case you have to look deeper into the situation because of the US's historically terrible record in court on domestic and/or sexual violence

the link doesn't really prove your point at all either... only 3 of those 7 players have done anything, 1 of them didn't get drafted, 1 of them has been a perennial practice squad player, 1 has already shipped team once and then got lost on the depth chart, 1 has been suspended twice already in his short career and showed up to training camp overweight and been released - of the other 3, marcus peters and jameis winston were both picked before our 1st pick so we had no chance to take them and particularly with peters his issues definitely seemed unimportant to all teams (there's a difference between immaturity and legal trouble), frank clark is the only real outlier on that list... and he was seen as a mid rounder at the time anyway who seattle took at the end of the 2nd - so that link really doesn't help your point

[JoeyFlex5]

lol this is ridiculous 

[hn68wb4]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

lol this is ridiculous 

What? you don't like arguments with constant misrepresentations of opinion? blasphemy

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

What? you don't like arguments with constant misrepresentations of opinion? blasphemy

How dare I dislike a total lack of comprehension in the most obnoxious form. 

[jboy19]

I actually don't mind this mock that much. I think very highly of Ramczyk (as long as the hip checks out) and would definitely consider him if that's how the board falls by the time the Ravens pick. After seeing bad lines be the most common reason (behind bad QB play) teams don't succeed, I'll never complain about a lineman being taken highly, especially if Wagner isn't on the team next year. I thought the Titans made a terrible decision to reach for Conklin last year, but that was a huge get for them and a big reason their rushing game was so successful- and without considering the injury/surgery, I think Ramczyk is a better player than Conklin was coming out. 

I'm not touching the Westbrook can of worms. 

Tomlinson and Rasul Douglas are my favorite picks of this mock though. I'd be happy to grab them in the 3rd/4th Rounds.