[News] Late For Work 2/16: Ravens Will Draft This Star Cornerback, Says Mel Kiper

[The Beak]

I think maybe Oz should make everyone leave the room except for Eric Decosta , and let ED pick the 1st round....

[RavensDieHard21]

33 minutes ago, omar586 said:

they need to bring back aiken, they underutilize him last season.

Watch any game when Joe throws him the ball, regardless if it is an easy grab or an acrobatic catch, he makes them.

we need to find ways to get him open. I get his separation problems, but solid hands are not easy to always have. 

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

As for who we're going to pick at #16 (assuming Ozzie stays put) - I still say we can't pick the wrong position* - maybe the wrong guy, but not the wrong position. A WR? Sure. An O-line guy? Why not? A RB? You can't deny how Elliott has made them 'Boys O notches better overnight... A D-line guy? Can't have enough of them. An edge rusher? Any time. One for the secondary? Couldn't be better...

I've seen at least a dozen guys projected to be picked by Ozzie in the various mock drafts - and I've yet to see one guy that doesn't make sense. Yep, I've even seen us projected to pick a TE at #16 - and even then I'd say it can be a really good pick.

* Well, I assume the likelihood of drafting a K or a P at #16 can be safely eliminated

I agree with this entirely but certain positions will hold more weight than others. As far as team needs, I'd prioritize them like this:

Edge, CB, OL, WR, S, DL, then TE or RB. 

[fluffy201]

Since good free agent corner backs command huge salaries, which puts Baltimore out of contention, I would say you have to draft corner back. Hopefully the Ravens have a good/big center or tackle sitting there at 48 for the their second pick. If we could sure up our secondary and O line up this year, that would pay dividends for the future and hopefully the Ravens will ready for a run in 2018......... Hopefully

[ByTheBay]

If this were true there wouldn't be a need for a PR department. I can assure you someone from the ravens organization monitors these boards and reports fan sentiment back to a superior. All corporations and politicians have to keep their constituents happy otherwise they will suffer professionally. 

For whatever reason, this past season was the one that made me lose all faith in Joe Flacco. It may have something to do with realizing he is going into his 10th season and I continue to hear what others need to do to make him successful. Anyway, I don't have season tickets but usually find a way to attend a few games each year, buy sunday ticket and buy merchandise when the mood strikes. Last season I did none of it. I also used to record 4 daytime games and the night game every sunday. I basically binge watched football for 10 hours every sunday and watched thursday and monday nights. Last season I barely made the effort to watch the Ravens play. I am not some fly by night fan. I was raised in MD, am 40 years old and have watched football so long I can remeber the colts games at memorial. It pains me to say but I am losing interest. I am still interested as is obvious by me being on this board and hopefully next season will be different. It's hard to be interested in a team where the team leader and qb dont seem to be too interested themselves. 

Most fans in my possition just fade away and you never hear why. I am just expressing my opinion. I want to stay a fan but it's getting harder. 

[TheConquerorWorm]

  1 hour ago, b93333 said:

Joe is the number 2 QB in terms of cap hit and number 24 in terms of QB rating and efficiency. Pretty much says it all. Since we are stuck with him for three more long years due to the dead money issues the question becomes how can the Ravens get him to play better. I am discouraged by the fact that the Ravens have decided that no QB coach is even going to be appointed. Sounds like they are satisfied with 24th ranked play out of their QB.

WOW. You had -1 votes when I got to your comment. Some people on these boards are seriously ridiculous. Literally everything in your post was FACTUALLY TRUE. Obviously some people just can't handle facts and the truth about this team.

You think it's a good idea to base your QB on 1 stat - Passer Rating? That's how you evaluate QBs in the NFL? Flacco was 19th in QBR, he was 7th in Passing Yards, 11th in Completion %, 11th in Yards per Game & 18th in TDs despite playing behind a patchwork o-line for 75% of the games, with a RB that averaged 48 yards a game, and the TE being the leading Reciever.

So, if you base your QB play on Passer Rating, Cam Newton is one of the WORST QBs in football (Ranked 28th). That's your FACTUAL STANCE? Cam has Kelvin Benjamin, Greg Olson, Devin Funchess, Jonathan Stewart and still finishes 29th despite being the 8th QB in salary cap? The Panthers should take your advice and cut him ASAP! SMH.

Matt Ryan was the MVP, will have a cap number only 800k less than Flacco and has CHOKED in every meaningful game he's ever played in (including college) but you think he's the best QB in the league (highest passer rating)....Flacco is a solid QB that can win big games especially in the 4th quarter (game winning drives vs, JAX, OAK, NYG, PIT, WAS). $20 million+ is the going rate for that type of QB.....

Some people just twist the facts to justify their personal truths and agendas about this team.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, The Beak said:

I think maybe Oz should make everyone leave the room except for Eric Decosta , and let ED pick the 1st round....

DeCosta has been doing the draft for several years now, including various draft picks that haven't panned out...

[TheConquerorWorm]

Since good free agent corner backs command huge salaries, which puts Baltimore out of contention, I would say you have to draft corner back. Hopefully the Ravens have a good/big center or tackle sitting there at 48 for the their second pick. If we could sure up our secondary and O line up this year, that would pay dividends for the future and hopefully the Ravens will ready for a run in 2018......... Hopefully

I agree. Drafting a CB in the 1st round gives you 5 years of below market salary.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

I do see the need for the corner pick but I do not see Ozzie passing over a higher ranked pass rusher considering Suggs and Doom are on their last leg of their career (see what I did there)...

[budman]

That Statement has been made on these boards many many time including by myself. People just won't face it. It's easier to keep blaming Ozzie and Harbaugh.

[BiggMack91]

If Barnett is still on the board when we pick, i would lean towards drafting him over any CB. If we can improve our pass rush, which at times disappeared over the year i think that would help our secondary our substantially. Just look around the league and you can see that most teams that excel in the secondary have a good pass rush. Denver, Oak and Seattle all have good pass rushers and it helps out their secondary tremendously.

I would go for the top rated CB in the second and then a OL in the third. If Ozzie and Co. decide to move down the board like they did last year in the 2nd round i will be pretty upset lol. I want to see some aggressive moves up the board this year.

you have it backwards a good secondary helps the pass rush not the other way around if you can't cover how are you going to have enough time to get to the QB so no we should draft the best CB on the board at 16 for sure

[BiggMack91]

Corner has to be the top pick right ? or do we have decent corners that got exposed because our pass rush was so terrible? So pass rush is the round 1 pick right ? Decisions Decisions

if you can't cover you can't rush the passer you should have realized that last year when it happened to us in most of the games

[BiggMack91]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"Have the New England Patriots been so successful over the years because of their continuity? Or have they had continuity because they win so much?"

Continuity is only productive if you have the right guys. We've all seen what "good" insisting on Cam Cameron did to the O back then, and I'm afraid we'll all see what "good" staying with Mornhinweg will do... The Pats were right to stick with their guys because they had the right ones... So, it all starts with identifying the right guy for each position. If that doesn't happen, continuity will, instead of being the seed of continued success, be the root of the downfall of an organization.

I think people are "afraid" because they forget that Marty came in and took over Trestmans offense. People should hold off on the "he sucks" talk until he is given a chance to come in and formulate his own schemes and his brand of offense. Then they can critique him. Just my opinion.

name one winning team he has coached

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

5 hours ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Joe's salary and cap hit is an embarrassment. The second highest paid QB in the NFL....... A slightly above average starter that can be solid when given a lot of help. Yet he gets paid like the best at the position. Can you imagine what will happen if he doesn't come out and produce this season like a top 5 QB should......Could make for a very interesting offseason next year. We don't need Joe to restructure and push the money down the road, we need him to straight up take a pay cut in an effort to better that team.

Apparently Matt Ryan should take a pay cut to help his team become better - oh wait, he's had Roddy White, Julio Jones and Gonzalez his entire career and what's he done besides choke every big game he's been in?  A QB with Flacco's record is worth every penny he's getting.

[rmcjacket23]

  3 hours ago, Tdot.to.Bmore said:

If Barnett is still on the board when we pick, i would lean towards drafting him over any CB. If we can improve our pass rush, which at times disappeared over the year i think that would help our secondary our substantially. Just look around the league and you can see that most teams that excel in the secondary have a good pass rush. Denver, Oak and Seattle all have good pass rushers and it helps out their secondary tremendously.

I would go for the top rated CB in the second and then a OL in the third. If Ozzie and Co. decide to move down the board like they did last year in the 2nd round i will be pretty upset lol. I want to see some aggressive moves up the board this year.

you have it backwards a good secondary helps the pass rush not the other way around if you can't cover how are you going to have enough time to get to the QB so no we should draft the best CB on the board at 16 for sure

Who's job is it to determine who the best CB on the board is?

What if we don't think that player will be any good? Should we just take him anyway because he plays corner, even if we don't think he will be any good?

And the 2014 Ravens is a prime example of a good pass rush can help mask a very poor secondary.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

6 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

if you can't cover you can't rush the passer you should have realized that last year when it happened to us in most of the games

actually it's the other way around; if you're not rushing the passer and forcing him to throw early (just like teams did against us forcing Joe to go to the check down so often) then your corners are going to get lost and allow receivers to get open.

[rmcjacket23]

  4 hours ago, budman said:

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"Have the New England Patriots been so successful over the years because of their continuity? Or have they had continuity because they win so much?"

Continuity is only productive if you have the right guys. We've all seen what "good" insisting on Cam Cameron did to the O back then, and I'm afraid we'll all see what "good" staying with Mornhinweg will do... The Pats were right to stick with their guys because they had the right ones... So, it all starts with identifying the right guy for each position. If that doesn't happen, continuity will, instead of being the seed of continued success, be the root of the downfall of an organization.

I think people are "afraid" because they forget that Marty came in and took over Trestmans offense. People should hold off on the "he sucks" talk until he is given a chance to come in and formulate his own schemes and his brand of offense. Then they can critique him. Just my opinion.

name one winning team he has coached

He's a coordinator. Coordinators aren't and shouldn't be judged based on W/L record, since that's obviously extremely flawed. Just a horrific way to look at a position coach or a coordinator.

Plus, if you wanted to be technical about it, he was a coach on the Eagles from 2003-2012, including roles as Assistant HC and OC. There's four division titles, 6 playoff appearances, 3 conference championship games and 1 SB appearance during that timeframe.

Would certainly qualify as "winning".

[BiggMack91]

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

[rmcjacket23]

  5 hours ago, RavenRampage said:

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

LOL, again, may want to go back and watch the 2014 Ravens again.

[BiggMack91]

  5 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  5 hours ago, RavenRampage said:

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

LOL, again, may want to go back and watch the 2014 Ravens again.

don't need to and I'm talking about last year 2016

[rmcjacket23]

  4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  8 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  5 hours ago, RavenRampage said:

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

LOL, again, may want to go back and watch the 2014 Ravens again.

don't need to and I'm talking about last year 2016

OK, but it pretty much destroys your whole theory. You're making a gross generalization about what a single team can or can't do based on ONE season.

Especially when a similar team just two seasons earlier showed you, without question, how a quality pass rush can make a bad secondary look viable in this league.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

OK, but it pretty much destroys your whole theory. You're making a gross generalization about what a single team can or can't do based on ONE season.

Especially when a similar team just two seasons earlier showed you, without question, how a quality pass rush can make a bad secondary look viable in this league.

Exactly, our pass rush has been suspect with both Doom and Sizzle injured these past 2 years.  That's why, IMO, if there is a pass rusher that the Ravens value higher than a CB they are taking the pass rusher because in another year or two both Suggs and Doom are either not on the team or both retired. 

[BiggMack91]

  16 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  4 hours ago, budman said:

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"Have the New England Patriots been so successful over the years because of their continuity? Or have they had continuity because they win so much?"

Continuity is only productive if you have the right guys. We've all seen what "good" insisting on Cam Cameron did to the O back then, and I'm afraid we'll all see what "good" staying with Mornhinweg will do... The Pats were right to stick with their guys because they had the right ones... So, it all starts with identifying the right guy for each position. If that doesn't happen, continuity will, instead of being the seed of continued success, be the root of the downfall of an organization.

I think people are "afraid" because they forget that Marty came in and took over Trestmans offense. People should hold off on the "he sucks" talk until he is given a chance to come in and formulate his own schemes and his brand of offense. Then they can critique him. Just my opinion.

name one winning team he has coached

He's a coordinator. Coordinators aren't and shouldn't be judged based on W/L record, since that's obviously extremely flawed. Just a horrific way to look at a position coach or a coordinator.

Plus, if you wanted to be technical about it, he was a coach on the Eagles from 2003-2012, including roles as Assistant HC and OC. There's four division titles, 6 playoff appearances, 3 conference championship games and 1 SB appearance during that timeframe.

Would certainly qualify as "winning".

other than what he and andy reid did he has not proved to have a winning playbook an he will most likely be working somewhere else this time next year if he don't find a way to run the ball and win and fyi that was mostly his offense playbook last year not all trestmen after he took over

[bigcatfrank1]

I will just express my opinion, You need to be more of a real football fan than just a Ravens fan or a TV fan. So it was an off year.

You seem to have some knowledge of the history and players. Let me try to put this in a different perspective.

You were young but you must remember Dan Marino. Dan had great stats and he even had a perfect season record, but never won a Super Bowl. He had some down years too. He was at one time the highest paid NFL player, he had his worst season the year following and actually lost faith in his team. He went on to write about it and realized that he can only change what was in his power to change.

There are many other QB's you can look at in NFL history, who have struggled as the " on-the field" leader type personalities.
But Joe still holds the NFL Playoff record for first 5 years of QB Carreer.
Joe has been in the playoffs 6 years (winning seasons as well) out of his 9 year career.
He has fought through an injury and many team injuries. I do not think you could find a more committed Raven than Joe Flacco.

I will stay a fan, sure its hard sometimes but having a team and history like the Ravens isn't one of them.
Try being a Saints fan, or Atlanta, or Titans, Jacksonville, Jets, Buffalo, even lately Vikings, Bears, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, are you really ready to trade for that?
Just voicing my opinion. Let it play out and see. If Joe fails, he is not the first one. The Ravens will get another QB in a couple of years.
But if I have any notion of Joe and the Ravens, you haven't seen the last of the playoffs.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

4 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

other than what he and andy reid did he has not proved to have a winning playbook an he will most likely be working somewhere else this time next year if he don't find a way to run the ball and win and fyi that was mostly his offense playbook last year not all trestmen after he took over

It was not Marty's playbook; Harbs stated they would not be changing the playbook during the season.  Really need to get your facts straight and stop talking alternate facts

Edited February 16 by ibleedpurpleandblack

[BiggMack91]

  14 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  16 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  20 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

  5 hours ago, RavenRampage said:

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I would rather have a pro-bowl caliber CB to play with jimmy and tavon remember what has happen to our D everytime jimmy goes down no pass rush because we can't cover anyone

LOL, again, may want to go back and watch the 2014 Ravens again.

don't need to and I'm talking about last year 2016

OK, but it pretty much destroys your whole theory. You're making a gross generalization about what a single team can or can't do based on ONE season.

Especially when a similar team just two seasons earlier showed you, without question, how a quality pass rush can make a bad secondary look viable in this league.

It defiantly does not I've played high school ball and 3 years in collage an I've never heard not one coach say the pass rush makes the secondary better an I played DE for Bowie and morgan state if your secondary can't cover for 3-5 seconds you WILL NOT get any type of pass rush even on average it takes JJ Watt 4-6 seconds to get to the QB an thats 1 on 1

[bigcatfrank1]

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 2:52 PM, Swift 1 said:

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 9:50 AM, stuckonaboat13 said:

Joe's salary and cap hit is an embarrassment. The second highest paid QB in the NFL....... A slightly above average starter that can be solid when given a lot of help. Yet he gets paid like the best at the position. Can you imagine what will happen if he doesn't come out and produce this season like a top 5 QB should......Could make for a very interesting offseason next year. We don't need Joe to restructure and push the money down the road, we need him to straight up take a pay cut in an effort to better that team.

24mil is the CAPHit not Joe's salary.I am pretty sure his real salary is not in top five. Alao thought Cousins francise tag was 24 mil which put him third highest

 

Romo got paid the #1 salary and he didn't even play! lol so whats your point Swift.
Joe's cap was re-negotiated his salary is constant his cap hit goes up. He knows that the Playoffs and a SB run is what the Ravens goal is and why the cap was structured the way it was. I expect to see the playoffs this year coming, i think Joe will come out swinging.

I think you need to look around the team a bit more. No one is more committed and Joe has already negotiated.
I also think he would be willing to do just about anything to make the team work better, but you better be prepared to hold every player accountable.

[BiggMack91]

  23 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

other than what he and andy reid did he has not proved to have a winning playbook an he will most likely be working somewhere else this time next year if he don't find a way to run the ball and win and fyi that was mostly his offense playbook last year not all trestmen after he took over

It was not Marty's playbook; Harbs stated they would not be changing the playbook during the season.  Really need to get your facts straight and stop talking alternate facts

go back an read this article WHAT CHANGES WILL BE MADE UNDER MARTY MORNHINWEG? he ran the west coast offense before he came here its his system and it was his plays he was calling

[bigcatfrank1]

It is going to be very hard for the Ravens not to take a CB in round one. The need is too great and the choices are very strong. I would say 90% chance they take a CB. the 10% left over will be "best player available".

Now second round is going to be interesting, there could be many players to pick from very close in talent and rating. Based on them picking a CB in round 1, I would say Pass Rush, S or WR are going to be looked at very seriously.
However, if I put my money out there I would say they pick a Center. I dont think they will not want to let a high round Center fall any further. ( unless they work a deal in FA) I could see the Ravens trying to trade for another 2nd rounder.

3rd round and 4 wow...imagine of they pick CB-1 then a C- 2, now they could go WR, OLB, S, or DE. As usual, round 1 and 2 will determine rounds 3 and 4 for the Ravens again this year .

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

11 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

go back an read this article WHAT CHANGES WILL BE MADE UNDER MARTY MORNHINWEG? he ran the west coast offense before he came here its his system and it was his plays he was calling

“We’re in a good position to have a guy with that kind of experience here,” Harbaugh said. “It’s experience in this system, basically, the West Coast terminology. He fits right in. I know there will be some things that he will tweak, but the basic system is not going to change.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/What-Changes-Will-Be-Made-Under-Marty-Mornhinweg/b88ea7fb-4eb7-4ccf-af3d-1fffdb8965d1

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