[News] Late For Work 2/16: Ravens Will Draft This Star Cornerback, Says Mel Kiper

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[RavenRampage]

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

[stuckonaboat13]

Joe's salary and cap hit is an embarrassment. The second highest paid QB in the NFL....... A slightly above average starter that can be solid when given a lot of help. Yet he gets paid like the best at the position. Can you imagine what will happen if he doesn't come out and produce this season like a top 5 QB should......Could make for a very interesting offseason next year. We don't need Joe to restructure and push the money down the road, we need him to straight up take a pay cut in an effort to better that team.

[stuckonaboat13]

The fact that 21 other safeties are getting paid more than Weddle is amazing, absolute steal for the birds...... until you see one of those safeties is Webb haha. #1stepforward3stepsbackwards

[potomacpitbulls]

Ronnie Stanley will not be 36th in 4 years.

[The Greek]

we have enough speedsters at receiver. need to find the chain mover. hope breshad becomes the all around stud

[rmcjacket23]

Joe's salary and cap hit is an embarrassment. The second highest paid QB in the NFL....... A slightly above average starter that can be solid when given a lot of help. Yet he gets paid like the best at the position. Can you imagine what will happen if he doesn't come out and produce this season like a top 5 QB should......Could make for a very interesting offseason next year. We don't need Joe to restructure and push the money down the road, we need him to straight up take a pay cut in an effort to better that team.

1. Cap hit and what he's actually get paid are two different things.

2. Joe's locked in as the starter through at least 2018. No point in discussing it until then, because his contract dictates that much. He holds 100% of the leverage until 2019.

That being said, compensation really has nothing to do with how you perform at the position in a given year. Actually pretty rare on an annual basis for the highest paid person to be the best at that position.

With everybody knowing that he needs to play better (himself included), I'm also not sure why anybody would think a change would happen. You could argue either side of the "he hasn't lived up to his contract" argument ever since 2013, and yet he's been the starter out there every year since. And for the next two years, barring injury, that's exactly what will happen, pretty much regardless of where he "ranks" among QBs.

[MadStorkSociety]

* Our special teams is not number one, only because we can't find a return guy.
* If cap space explodes FA costs, then the relative cost of draftees is reduced. We need to bundle some trades and get more high draft picks.
* I like the Kiper pick.
* This draft confuses me. Everyone says it is so deep, but they hype the first round talent.
* Draft CB & QB rusher (s) - please?
* Looked back at Perriman highlights and dang he could be good.

[bioLarzen]

"Have the New England Patriots been so successful over the years because of their continuity? Or have they had continuity because they win so much?"

Continuity is only productive if you have the right guys. We've all seen what "good" insisting on Cam Cameron did to the O back then, and I'm afraid we'll all see what "good" staying with Mornhinweg will do... The Pats were right to stick with their guys because they had the right ones... So, it all starts with identifying the right guy for each position. If that doesn't happen, continuity will, instead of being the seed of continued success, be the root of the downfall of an organization.

[RavensDieHard21]

Sidney Jones vs Barnett, now that is a problem I would love to have. I wouldn't be able to make that decision. 

I'd probably go Barnett due to better depth at CB. But jones is a lock for being a pro bowler. 

[stuckonaboat13]

  24 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Joe's salary and cap hit is an embarrassment. The second highest paid QB in the NFL....... A slightly above average starter that can be solid when given a lot of help. Yet he gets paid like the best at the position. Can you imagine what will happen if he doesn't come out and produce this season like a top 5 QB should......Could make for a very interesting offseason next year. We don't need Joe to restructure and push the money down the road, we need him to straight up take a pay cut in an effort to better that team.

1. Cap hit and what he's actually get paid are two different things.

2. Joe's locked in as the starter through at least 2018. No point in discussing it until then, because his contract dictates that much. He holds 100% of the leverage until 2019.

That being said, compensation really has nothing to do with how you perform at the position in a given year. Actually pretty rare on an annual basis for the highest paid person to be the best at that position.

With everybody knowing that he needs to play better (himself included), I'm also not sure why anybody would think a change would happen. You could argue either side of the "he hasn't lived up to his contract" argument ever since 2013, and yet he's been the starter out there every year since. And for the next two years, barring injury, that's exactly what will happen, pretty much regardless of where he "ranks" among QBs.

I know the two are different hence why I added both instead of lumping into one $ amount although the two numbers are almost the same(scary). Money does not lock Joe into the starting spot, this is the NFL where losses and fan pressure will cause desperation even with the most lucrative contracts.(Texans 2016, Broncos 2015) Joe could easily be let go if he continues his down hill trend its just depends on the team thinks it is worth a 20+ mil in dead money (year depending).

[stuckonaboat13]

we have enough speedsters at receiver. need to find the chain mover. hope breshad becomes the all around stud

Love to bring Aiken back at a fair price. I feel good about Wallace, Perrimen, Aiken, and Moore in that order

[budman]

35 minutes ago, RavenRampage said:

We have a bunch of options. It'll be interesting to see. Corner, wide receiver, pass rusher, and offensive tackle could all be in play. Honestly, I think pass rusher and offensive tackle may be a better choice for the first round due to the depth at the secondary positions, and receiver isn't as high of a priority.

I have to disagree. We need a corner or 2. When Smith went out injured we all saw what happened.

[bioLarzen]

"“The Ravens have had five offensive coordinators since 2012, most in the league,” Sando wrote. “That's a big reason Baltimore ranks last for continuity among teams with the same GM and head coach over that period."

I think that's as clear an indication that the method used by the Baltimore Ravens to identify the right man for the OC job does not work. Still, apaprently nobody has ever asked Ozzie or the owner if there is going to be a shift in the method of picking the OC. Sticking to a method that clear as daylight, doesn't work is hardly the hotbed of success... And I'm quite sure it doesn't take a rocket surgeon or a brain scientist to see it...

[Bob21043]

Would be nice to pick up Garcon, if we can get him at a reasonable price.
Definitely think we have to pick a corner in the early rounds.

[bioLarzen]

As for who we're going to pick at #16 (assuming Ozzie stays put) - I still say we can't pick the wrong position* - maybe the wrong guy, but not the wrong position. A WR? Sure. An O-line guy? Why not? A RB? You can't deny how Elliott has made them 'Boys O notches better overnight... A D-line guy? Can't have enough of them. An edge rusher? Any time. One for the secondary? Couldn't be better...

I've seen at least a dozen guys projected to be picked by Ozzie in the various mock drafts - and I've yet to see one guy that doesn't make sense. Yep, I've even seen us projected to pick a TE at #16 - and even then I'd say it can be a really good pick.

* Well, I assume the likelihood of drafting a K or a P at #16 can be safely eliminated :D

[budman]

3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

"Have the New England Patriots been so successful over the years because of their continuity? Or have they had continuity because they win so much?"

Continuity is only productive if you have the right guys. We've all seen what "good" insisting on Cam Cameron did to the O back then, and I'm afraid we'll all see what "good" staying with Mornhinweg will do... The Pats were right to stick with their guys because they had the right ones... So, it all starts with identifying the right guy for each position. If that doesn't happen, continuity will, instead of being the seed of continued success, be the root of the downfall of an organization.

I think people are "afraid" because they forget that Marty came in and took over Trestmans offense. People should hold off on the "he sucks" talk until he is given a chance to come in and formulate his own schemes and his brand of offense. Then they can critique him. Just my opinion.

Edited February 16 by budman

[stuckonaboat13]

Corner has to be the top pick right ? or do we have decent corners that got exposed because our pass rush was so terrible? So pass rush is the round 1 pick right ? Decisions Decisions

[rmcjacket23]

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 10:26 AM, stuckonaboat13 said:

I know the two are different hence why I added both instead of lumping into one $ amount although the two numbers are almost the same(scary). Money does not lock Joe into the starting spot, this is the NFL where losses and fan pressure will cause desperation even with the most lucrative contracts.(Texans 2016, Broncos 2015) Joe could easily be let go if he continues his down hill trend its just depends on the team thinks it is worth a 20+ mil in dead money (year depending).

1. The reason I specifically said 2019 is because until then, the cost of letting Joe go exceeds the cost of him being here until then. So while I suppose they "could" release him, they'd have a cap figure that would grow by $4M just to let him go vs him staying, so it would be financially beneficial to keep him.

2. Neither of those teams you referenced are comparable, particularly given that Joe was better than both of those QBs significantly in 2016, and neither of those deals had the guaranteed money that his does.

[gregob56]

How many times do we hear that Joe throws a 'really nice' deep ball (Teddy Bruschi above) when he under throws the WR almost every time? Last year (most years...would love to see stats), sans the Dolphins game, it seemed like 90% of his throws were low or behind the receiver...even the check down passes were low. The Ravens need playmakers. However, it would make it a lot easier for the FO to focus on other positions if Joe would get the ball in our current WRs hands, in stride.

[RaRaRavens]

Quarterback: Joe Flacco’s $24.55 million ranks No. 2

That one right there. *sigh*

[Raven in ATL]

How many times do we hear that Joe throws a 'really nice' deep ball (Teddy Bruschi above) when he under throws the WR almost every time? Last year (most years...would love to see stats), sans the Dolphins game, it seemed like 90% of his throws were low or behind the receiver...even the check down passes were low. The Ravens need playmakers. However, it would make it a lot easier for the FO to focus on other positions if Joe would get the ball in our current WRs hands, in stride.

i've always said Joe throws a nice moonball. seems like he is trying to fire a rocket to the moon, only to watch it drift and float fizzling out of fuel.

[b93333]

Joe is the number 2 QB in terms of cap hit and number 24 in terms of QB rating and efficiency. Pretty much says it all. Since we are stuck with him for three more long years due to the dead money issues the question becomes how can the Ravens get him to play better. I am discouraged by the fact that the Ravens have decided that no QB coach is even going to be appointed. Sounds like they are satisfied with 24th ranked play out of their QB.

[VermontRaven]

55 minutes ago, stuckonaboat13 said:

Love to bring Aiken back at a fair price. I feel good about Wallace, Perrimen, Aiken, and Moore in that order

I just don't see them bringing back Aiken (not arguing whether they should or shouldn't)  Aiken seemed pretty unhappy with his role last year and I don't see that significantly changing this year.  Bottom line is that it appears the Ravens have decided he is a worse option than at least Wallace and Perriman, plus they have already publicly said they want to bring in a "complimentary WR"  I just don't thing the Ravens see Aiken in their plans moving forward and I would be SHOCKED if Aiken agreed to come back.

[omar586]

they need to bring back aiken, they underutilize him last season.

[omar586]

i hope we draft VT QB EVANS, he plays a lot like DAK, we need to draft a qb to groom for the future,

[Drew P]

1 hour ago, budman said:

I have to disagree. We need a corner or 2. When Smith went out injured we all saw what happened.

I think he meant depth in the draft at the CB position

[Tdot.to.Bmore]

If Barnett is still on the board when we pick, i would lean towards drafting him over any CB. If we can improve our pass rush, which at times disappeared over the year i think that would help our secondary our substantially. Just look around the league and you can see that most teams that excel in the secondary have a good pass rush. Denver, Oak and Seattle all have good pass rushers and it helps out their secondary tremendously.

I would go for the top rated CB in the second and then a OL in the third. If Ozzie and Co. decide to move down the board like they did last year in the 2nd round i will be pretty upset lol. I want to see some aggressive moves up the board this year.

[RaRaRavens]

25 minutes ago, b93333 said:

Joe is the number 2 QB in terms of cap hit and number 24 in terms of QB rating and efficiency. Pretty much says it all. Since we are stuck with him for three more long years due to the dead money issues the question becomes how can the Ravens get him to play better. I am discouraged by the fact that the Ravens have decided that no QB coach is even going to be appointed. Sounds like they are satisfied with 24th ranked play out of their QB.

WOW. You had -1 votes when I got to your comment. Some people on these boards are seriously ridiculous. Literally everything in your post was FACTUALLY TRUE. Obviously some people just can't handle facts and the truth about this team.

[The Beak]

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 10:47 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 10:26 AM, stuckonaboat13 said:

I know the two are different hence why I added both instead of lumping into one $ amount although the two numbers are almost the same(scary). Money does not lock Joe into the starting spot, this is the NFL where losses and fan pressure will cause desperation even with the most lucrative contracts.(Texans 2016, Broncos 2015) Joe could easily be let go if he continues his down hill trend its just depends on the team thinks it is worth a 20+ mil in dead money (year depending).

1. The reason I specifically said 2019 is because until then, the cost of letting Joe go exceeds the cost of him being here until then. So while I suppose they "could" release him, they'd have a cap figure that would grow by $4M just to let him go vs him staying, so it would be financially beneficial to keep him.

2. Neither of those teams you referenced are comparable, particularly given that Joe was better than both of those QBs significantly in 2016, and neither of those deals had the guaranteed money that his does.

I think being a diehard fan , going to games, buying expensive ravens gear, watching games is exactly the type of fans that the Ravens front office cares about. This is a comment section.  I will and I encourage all fans to voice their opinions , I think especially after Spending thousands of dollars per seasons we have the right......SMH