2017 NFL Combine

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, ravensnick said:

Yeah, I love Jamal, but this is the draft that you want to have as many selections as possible. I'm not seeing a big enough drop off in talent that would make trading up anywhere near sacrificing the picks needed to do so. 

I agree 100%. That's why I think the only way I would trade up is if it was affordable and he made it by some miracle to the Bills pick and we only had to give up a combo of a third and later pick. Still unlikely, but with this year's crop of defensive players, we could land starters and great rotational guys well into the 4th round. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i don't like him that much for us though - so i hope he gets himself into the top 15 or something and someone else takes him so someone better drops  

I agree with this on so many levels lol if he gets taken by someone ahead of us and we will get lucky and get someone great. 

Takk isn't a bad prospect, I just think he will get overdrafted. He is a legit top 30-35 player. He has decent burst, great athleticism and motor with decent run stopping abilities, but he is too raw to tell how he will develop at the next level. That is not something I would get caught up in if I am drafting 16 and looking for a plug and play talent.  

[rossihunter2]

11 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree with this on so many levels lol if he gets taken by someone ahead of us and we will get lucky and get someone great. 

Takk isn't a bad prospect, I just think he will get overdrafted. He is a legit top 30-35 player. He has decent burst, great athleticism and motor with decent run stopping abilities, but he is too raw to tell how he will develop at the next level. That is not something I would get caught up in if I am drafting 16 and looking for a plug and play talent.  

I think I have 5/6 edge rushers ranked ahead of him at the moment - and I'm not as influenced by combine numbers as the media etc. so it's unlikely to change much unless someone points out something I've missed on film

Edited February 20 by rossihunter2

[ravensnick]

13 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I agree 100%. That's why I think the only way I would trade up is if it was affordable and he made it by some miracle to the Bills pick and we only had to give up a combo of a third and later pick. Still unlikely, but with this year's crop of defensive players, we could land starters and great rotational guys well into the 4th round. 

That's still a little steep in my book, when we could just trade back and land a Budda Baker or Jabrill Peppers and more picks if we want a safety.

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, ravensnick said:

That's still a little steep in my book, when we could just trade back and land a Budda Baker or Jabrill Peppers and more picks if we want a safety.

Agreed. While I think the drop off from the top 2 to the 2nd tier is pretty steep, the 2nd tier of safeties is still better than the top of most classes. 

Baker melifonwu and peppers are all probably labeled first rounders in the AVERAGE safety class

[ravensnick]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Agreed. While I think the drop off from the top 2 to the 2nd tier is pretty steep, the 2nd tier of safeties is still better than the top of most classes. 

Baker melifonwu and peppers are all probably labeled first rounders in the AVERAGE safety class

Heck, I think it's more than possible we could land Desmond King with our second rounder as we stand right now, and he'd be a great safety as well. Sure, I love Adams, but I'm not sacrificing grabbing starters/rotation in the mid rounds just to get him.

[RavensDieHard21]

9 hours ago, ravensnick said:

That's still a little steep in my book, when we could just trade back and land a Budda Baker or Jabrill Peppers and more picks if we want a safety.

Very true. Baker I think is going to blow up the combine and be a legit  first rounder. Peppers is so polarizing but Bucky Brooks did a great piece on him today and it made sense. He is a Swiss Army knife and he has all the tools to be a game changer in a chess match, as long as the coordinator and HC can be creative and use him effectively. 

If we landed either and gained a second or third in the process then we will be in fine shape. 

[hn68wb4]

As the drills are coming up, starting with RBs/OL/STs on Friday, who are the sub-4.4 guys and who are the potential sub-4.3s? The average is about 7 guys break 4.4, with some variance but not a ton (except for 2008 which had 24, which is ridiculous)

I haven't looked through the entire list, but a few guys are:

Adoree Jackson, CB, USC - obviously, he's ridiculously athletic. He's a candidate to break 4.3

Victor Bolden, WR, Oregon St. - probably a 4.3 guy, with a slight chance of clocking in under. Ran the 60m dash for Oregon St. back in 2014 and had a PR of 7.01, a quick and sloppy calculation translates that to about a 4.27, but I don't know if I expect him to approach that fast.

Jabrill Peppers, SS/LB, Michigan - possibly breaks 4.4, no chance he breaks 4.3 though.

Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virgina - I've heard many praise his speed, not really sure exactly where he'll clock in but his draft profile says an AFC South scout put him as one of the 3 fasted guys at the combine.

Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama - I hear people rave about his athleticism all the time, some even going as far as to say he's the most athletic guy at the combine, does that translate to a sub-4.4?

John Ross, WR, Washington - he's kinda fast

Budda Baker, S, Washington - I've heard claims that he can run a 4.3, can't really trust these sort of assertions by players but Baker does look fast on film, wouldn't be super surprised if it were true.

Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St. - so much of the 40 is acceleration and Cook's burst is pretty insane, he could time very, very well because of it.

Some honorable mentions - Kermit Whitfield, WR, Florida St. and KD Canon, WR, Baylor

Anyone I'm missing?

Edited March 1 by hn68wb4

[rossihunter2]

42 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

As the drills are coming up, starting with RBs/OL/STs on Friday, who are the sub-4.4 guys and who are the potential sub-4.3s? The average is about 7 guys break 4.4, with some variance but not a ton (except for 2008 which had 24, which is ridiculous)

I haven't looked through the entire list, but a few guys are:

Adoree Jackson, CB, USC - obviously, he's ridiculously athletic. He's a candidate to break 4.3

Victor Bolden, WR, Oregon St. - probably a 4.3 guy, with a slight chance of clocking in under. Ran the 60m dash for Oregon St. back in 2014 and had a PR of 7.01, a quick and sloppy calculation translates that to about a 4.27, but I don't know if I expect him to approach that fast.

Jabrill Peppers, SS/LB, Michigan - possibly breaks 4.4, no chance he breaks 4.3 though.

Shelton Gibson, WR, West Virgina - I've heard many praise his speed, not really sure exactly where he'll clock in but his draft profile says an AFC South scout put him as one of the 3 fasted guys at the combine.

Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama - I hear people rave about his athleticism all the time, some even going as far as to say he's the most athletic guy at the combine, does that translate to a sub-4.4?

John Ross, WR, Washington - he's kinda fast

Budda Baker, S, Washington - I've heard claims that he can run a 4.3, can't really trust these sort of assertions by players but Baker does look fast on film, wouldn't be super surprised if it were true.

Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St. - so much of the 40 is acceleration and Cook's burst is pretty insane, he could time very, very well because of it.

Some honorable mentions - Kermit Whitfield, WR, Florida St. and KD Canon, WR, Baylor

Anyone I'm missing?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000786887/article/nfl-combine-top-candidates-to-break-chris-johnsons-40-record

[RavensDieHard21]

Speed kills but it all depends on position I suppose. I want a faster sexondary though we got toasted on some simple slant routes this year. If we want to contruct the AL Davis Raiders we could just draft based on the 40. JK side joke. 

No one will break the record but I like the chances of Ross and Jackson to post 4.3 range

[RaineV1]

6 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I want a faster sexondary

Pfft. Sometimes you gotta love when typos turn out to be this good.

Though I agree with you that speed is important for a secondary. The best DBs are ones with good instincts and the athleticism to make use of those instincts. This is why I'd love to grab Adoree Jackson in the second.

[hn68wb4]

Williams' arm span is pretty ridiculous, and coming in at only a shade under 6'4" is pretty huge too. Hands are small for his size, but we all know that his hand strength is probably his best quality.

[ravensnation5220]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

Williams' arm span is pretty ridiculous, and coming in at only a shade under 6'4" is pretty huge too. Hands are small for his size, but we all know that his hand strength is probably his best quality.

Jalen robinette is a monster too. He averaged 27 yards per catch at air force. They run a triple option style offense but he is amazing at tracking the deep ball. Strong hands catcher. 

Edited March 2 by ravensnation5220

[rossihunter2]

7 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Japan robinette is a monster too. He averaged 27 yards per catch at air force. They run a triple option style offense but he is amazing at tracking the deep ball. Strong hands catcher. 

do you know if there will be a list of all these guys measurements somewhere at some point? I'd be really intrigued to find out corey davis's hand size and some of the corners' heights

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

do you know if there will be a list of all these guys measurements somewhere at some point? I'd be really intrigued to find out corey davis's hand size and some of the corners' heights

If you Google their name and type combine profile after then click on the nfl.com combine profile they should be up soon. I know they have all the oline and running backs measurements already

[ravensnation5220]

24 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

do you know if there will be a list of all these guys measurements somewhere at some point? I'd be really intrigued to find out corey davis's hand size and some of the corners' heights

I'm actually not even sure they'll have his measurables. Is he there for interviews? If so then they might take his measurements. 

[trevorsteadman]

I am so excited for the combine. I decided I will not go on the Raven Talk forums. All people say is fire Flacco, fire Ozzie, and fire John. I feel like there is actually some great debates on the draft forum and there are a lot less trolls.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I am so excited for the combine. I decided I will not go on the Raven Talk forums. All people say is fire Flacco, fire Ozzie, and fire John. I feel like there is actually some great debates on the draft forum and there are a lot less trolls.

I hardly ever go on those forums. I usually hang out here all the time lol. There's a lot of people here who love discussing and evaluating prospects. A lot of opinions here and good quality discussions. Don't see too much argument which is nice. Much respect for everyone here

[hn68wb4]

42 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

do you know if there will be a list of all these guys measurements somewhere at some point? I'd be really intrigued to find out corey davis's hand size and some of the corners' heights

Eventually they'll all be posted here:

https://walterfootball.com/combine2017WR.php

[ravensnation5220]

Jonathan Allen had both labrums in each shoulder repaired in the past 2 seasons and had tendinitis in both shoulders as well. Could cause teams to be timid of taking him. I honestly feel he could fall. Don't see 3 techs usually go very high anyways. 

[rossihunter2]

14 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I am so excited for the combine. I decided I will not go on the Raven Talk forums. All people say is fire Flacco, fire Ozzie, and fire John. I feel like there is actually some great debates on the draft forum and there are a lot less trolls.

lol - i have stopped reading the other forums at this point until something significant happens that is worthy of discussion i dont really see the point as nothing new has really happened to temper discussion since february

[rossihunter2]

9 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I hardly ever go on those forums. I usually hang out here all the time lol. There's a lot of people here who love discussing and evaluating prospects. A lot of opinions here and good quality discussions. Don't see too much argument which is nice. Much respect for everyone here

lol also i just dont think there's anyone in free agency that's exciting and "new" enough to talk about - the draft is something that i get excited about the moment football stops being played - i like how it informs my knowledge of the rest of the league as well as i track prospects on other teams who i liked or was intrigued by

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Eventually they'll all be posted here:

https://walterfootball.com/combine2017WR.php

thanks

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Jonathan Allen had both labrums in each shoulder repaired in the past 2 seasons and had tendinitis in both shoulders as well. Could cause teams to be timid of taking him. I honestly feel he could fall. Don't see 3 techs usually go very high anyways. 

yeah i've started watching garrett and allen (hadn't bothered because there was supposedly no chance of them falling) and if i'm honest i've been less impressed than i was expecting - like i see the quality traits but i thought i'd be blown away by their dominance

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I am so excited for the combine. I decided I will not go on the Raven Talk forums. All people say is fire Flacco, fire Ozzie, and fire John. I feel like there is actually some great debates on the draft forum and there are a lot less trolls.

If it wasn't for the draft forums I would've quit these boards a very long time ago lol

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, trevorsteadman said:

I am so excited for the combine. I decided I will not go on the Raven Talk forums. All people say is fire Flacco, fire Ozzie, and fire John. I feel like there is actually some great debates on the draft forum and there are a lot less trolls.

That place is a very dark place during the offseason.

[ravensnation5220]

Forrest lamp had 34 reps on bench. I'm not too worried about his short arms at gaurd (31 1/8) he's so strong and he just needs to worry about getting his hands on you first. Players won't escape his grip (10 7/8 hand size). He's gonna be a future all pro at gaurd. 

[ravensnation5220]

Dalvin Cook is about to speak at the combine. He's a guy ravens need to do a lot of homework on. Will be interesting to hear what he says

[gtalk12]

I might be alone on this, but I really dislike the combine

[ravensnation5220]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2017/story/_/id/18808292/at-nfl-combine-former-florida-state-seminoles-running-back-dalvin-cook-addresses-legal-problems?sf59748577=1