2017 NFL Combine

[rossihunter2]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I can see that as a possibility. Due to his potential I could even take him at 16 in a less stacked draft class. It's just that with this specific class, he'll be there in the twenties, and we can get an extra pick out of it. Though I wouldn't hate taking him at 16. i just think there's ways to get more value.

i really think we're over estimating where he goes rather than his talent - it sounded like lance zierlein and a couple of the other analysts kind of resent how high he is on some boards because they think its the name brand - i really like him as a prospect and agree that he's got the potential to improve into one of the better players in the class but he might also be there in the 2nd round

[ravensnj]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Injured again at the combine, no matter how minor, shows that he's brittle even in top conditioning.

 

Weird, jones has probably the best ball skills in the class

Watching the combine, he dropped and look hesitant catching balls.. Maybe, the pressure got to him?

Edited March 7 by ravensnj

[rossihunter2]

18 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Watching the combine, he dropped and look hesitant catching balls.. Maybe, the pressure got to him?

he also looked the most fluid apart from maybe marshon lattimore - dont know about the drop because i missed it but i cant imagine it was anything other than a concentration drop because his hands are the best out of most of the corners in this class

[BmoreBird22]

Just to put this out there, but don't put as much stock into the combine as some of you are. The combine isn't mean to rocket prospects up the board (unless you have a Chris Johnson/John Ross/Byron Jones combine). This is meant to separate very closely ranked prospects.

These guys are coached on their stance in each drill, get off in each, their posture, etc. None of this is truly natural. It is all coached. Remember that.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Watching the combine, he dropped and look hesitant catching balls.. Maybe, the pressure got to him?

Well he has made interceptions all throughout his career that no other corner would even have a chance at making. I'll trust him snagging one handers with his back turned at full vertical with a wr draped on his back over some dropped passes while running drills in his underwear

[JoeyFlex5]

45 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

he also looked the most fluid apart from maybe marshon lattimore - dont know about the drop because i missed it but i cant imagine it was anything other than a concentration drop because his hands are the best out of most of the corners in this class

He's certainly the most fluid imo, lattimore has the better explosion and top speed and twitch, but jones moves like water.

[Underdogsontop!]

On March 6, 2017 at 10:14 AM, allblackraven said:

I wonder how much will Melifonwu shoot up the boards after today. I watched just a little bit of his tape and there he appears to play fast and with purpose. We all know what vertical did for Byron Jones. Granted, Jones was mostly viewed as 2nd rounder to borderline 1st but Melifonwu has produced extreme results in all categories and looked really disappointed with 44' vertical.

Schneider and Carroll must be licking their chops.

I think there's a big chance he could now go late 1st or early 2nd. Byron jones from the same college shot up the boards with a record breaking performance at the combine. I think Obi had 13 passes defended in college. That's pretty good. I hope some how he falls to us at 48 in the 2nd round. 

[BmoreBird22]

So, just putting this out there, but Matt Miller recently had Jonathan Allen going 17 in his latest mock. 

The reasoning being was that Allen has had multiple shoulder surgeries and has arthritis in his shoulders and teams are very wary of that. Several teams are moving him down their board already.

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, just putting this out there, but Matt Miller recently had Jonathan Allen going 17 in his latest mock. 

The reasoning being was that Allen has had multiple shoulder surgeries and has arthritis in his shoulders and teams are very wary of that. Several teams are moving him down their board already.

Might happen but 17? Unpossible

[rossihunter2]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

So, just putting this out there, but Matt Miller recently had Jonathan Allen going 17 in his latest mock. 

The reasoning being was that Allen has had multiple shoulder surgeries and has arthritis in his shoulders and teams are very wary of that. Several teams are moving him down their board already.

i think its an issue that medical staff will get a look at and will feel comfortable about it because it wont affect him until later life - and when the insiders have suggested he's moving down boards i think they mean to like 5-6 not 16-17 - if he drops past 10 though, i dont want him on the ravens because there's something wrong with him - catch 22 lol: i would love to have that player fall to us but if he does fall to us it means there's something really wrong and therefore he shouldnt be the pick either

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, Underdogsontop! said:

I think there's a big chance he could now go late 1st or early 2nd. Byron jones from the same college shot up the boards with a record breaking performance at the combine. I think Obi had 13 passes defended in college. That's pretty good. I hope some how he falls to us at 48 in the 2nd round. 

 

[Underdogsontop!]

4 hours ago, allblackraven said:

 

Wow

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, Underdogsontop! said:

Wow

Why wow? Isn't that normal?

[ellicottraven]

If we can land Derek Barnett in the first and Obi in the second we'll be a terrifying defense in 2017. Obi is a human athletic freak and I mean it in the most admiring way.

Derek Barnett despite his 40 speed is the best pass rusher in this year's draft and it'll be poetic justice for him to take over Suggs' position next year when Suggs retires.

Edited March 8 by ellicottraven

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

If we can land Derek Barnett in the first and Obi in the second we'll be a terrifying defense in 2017. Obi is a human athletic freak and I mean it in the most admiring way.

Derek Barnett despite his 40 speed is the best pass rusher in this year's draft and it'll be poetic justice for him to take over Suggs' position next year when Suggs retires.

I'd be elated with this draft for the first 2 rounds - grab a corner in the 3rd and we are golden

[ellicottraven]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

I'd be elated with this draft for the first 2 rounds - grab a corner in the 3rd and we are golden

Yes sir! If we can land a talented corner in the 3rd and a talented O-lineman with the other 3rd we would be set wouldn't we?

[Edgar]

I'd certainly trade a thjrd to get Melinfonwu in the early part of round two. 

[rossihunter2]

4 minutes ago, Edgar said:

I'd certainly trade a thjrd to get Melinfonwu in the early part of round two. 

I wouldn't... just because there are some other good safeties you can get in round 2 and 3 without giving up picks to get them

but if he falls to 48 id love to have him in baltimore

Edited March 8 by rossihunter2

[Edgar]

4 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I wouldn't... just because there are some other good safeties you can get in round 2 and 3 without giving up picks to get them

but if he falls to 48 id love to have him in baltimore

He's worth it. Guy can shut down big tight ends, smart....closes in a hurry. Good tackler. Reads the action well...like him interchangeably. I wouldn't sit back and wait.

[Underdogsontop!]

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why wow? Isn't that normal?

 

12 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Why wow? Isn't that normal?

Yeah, was jus a Lil happy to see that. Lol

[ravensnj]

On 3/7/2017 at 3:56 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Well he has made interceptions all throughout his career that no other corner would even have a chance at making. I'll trust him snagging one handers with his back turned at full vertical with a wr draped on his back over some dropped passes while running drills in his underwear

His career consisted of 3 years with a total of 8 picks, with 1 returned for a td. Freshman year 2, Sophomore 4, Junior 2. I guess that's pretty decent, considering Patrick Peterson had 7, Marcus Peters 11, and Darrelle Revis 8 with only 3 years of college. I might take him with the second round pick, but, I'm sure not risking an early first rounder on him, as he also has notable weight and strength issues be considered a true, early first round, shut down Cb. I'm picky with my evaluations on skilled position players, and seeing him bobble balls took him off my first round list.

Edited March 9 by ravensnj

[rossihunter2]

5 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

His career consisted of 3 years with a total of 8 picks, with 1 returned for a td. Freshman year 2, Sophomore 4, Junior 2. I guess that's pretty decent, considering Patrick Peterson had 7, Marcus Peters 11, and Darrelle Revis 8 with only 3 years of college. I might take him with the second round pick, but, I'm sure not risking an early first rounder on him, as he also has notable weight and strength issues be considered a true, early first round, shut down Cb. I'm picky with my evaluations on skilled position players, and seeing him bobble balls took him off my first round list.

2nd round? he's easily at least the 2nd best corner in the class

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

His career consisted of 3 years with a total of 8 picks, with 1 returned for a td. Freshman year 2, Sophomore 4, Junior 2. I guess that's pretty decent, considering Patrick Peterson had 7, Marcus Peters 11, and Darrelle Revis 8 with only 3 years of college. I might take him with the second round pick, but, I'm sure not risking an early first rounder on him, as he also has notable weight and strength issues be considered a true, early first round, shut down Cb. I'm picky with my evaluations on skilled position players, and seeing him bobble balls took him off my first round list.

You just implied that 8 picks in 3 years is below average and then used Revis as an example citing the same numbers, pat Pete having one less and peters having 3 more. 

What was the point of this post exactly? Ints aren't a good indicator of ball skills, can't pick a ball off that is being thrown at another corner. Watch film, not box stats, when the hell will people stop evaluating talent without taking even a peek at film.

[ravensnj]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You just implied that 8 picks in 3 years is below average and then used Revis as an example citing the same numbers, pat Pete having one less and peters having 3 more. 

What was the point of this post exactly? Ints aren't a good indicator of ball skills, can't pick a ball off that is being thrown at another corner. Watch film, not box stats, when the hell will people stop evaluating talent without taking even a peek at film.

I said that's pretty decent (positive point) and compared him to the greats. I rate him a second round pick due to my acquired info and observation. You have a Db thread, where you rank him the same...so lighten up.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I said that's pretty decent (positive point) and compared him to the greats. I rate him a second round pick due to my acquired info and observation. You have a Db thread, where you rank him the same...so lighten up.

i dont think anyone has ever ranked sidney jones as a 2nd rounder... on the db thread or otherwise

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I said that's pretty decent (positive point) and compared him to the greats. I rate him a second round pick due to my acquired info and observation. You have a Db thread, where you rank him the same...so lighten up.

You're the first to call Sidney jones anything less than a first round lock.

[ravensnj]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You're the first to call Sidney jones anything less than a first round lock.

FYI : This is from your Db thread in the forum section

 

 

Posted November 5, 2016 · Report post

lets get down to it. im not big on most of the first round cb's, i have a negative bias of bama corners, im not a huge fan of jalen tabor, im up and down on adoree jackson, however, i LOVE desmond king, pretty big fan of tre'davious white, king is a mid first prospect atm and white is late first-early second. IF we land in the top 10, adoree jackson is the only one i would take, i think all of the first round cb's aside from king will end up overdrafted. 

second round, i like sidney jones and quincy wilson, great value picks for both of them. 

as for safeties, i havent looked into malik hooker yet, but as much as i love jabrill peppers i think he represents a lot of what we dont need, we dont need another tweener who is just average in coverage and likely too small to play his college role in the NFL. i see desmond king as a very viable safety, i dont like marcus maye at all. 

proceed...

 

I guess things changed, was it a peek of film or mocks from paid draft evaluators? 

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, ravensnj said:

FYI : This is from your Db thread in the forum section

 

 

Posted November 5, 2016 · Report post

lets get down to it. im not big on most of the first round cb's, i have a negative bias of bama corners, im not a huge fan of jalen tabor, im up and down on adoree jackson, however, i LOVE desmond king, pretty big fan of tre'davious white, king is a mid first prospect atm and white is late first-early second. IF we land in the top 10, adoree jackson is the only one i would take, i think all of the first round cb's aside from king will end up overdrafted. 

second round, i like sidney jones and quincy wilson, great value picks for both of them. 

as for safeties, i havent looked into malik hooker yet, but as much as i love jabrill peppers i think he represents a lot of what we dont need, we dont need another tweener who is just average in coverage and likely too small to play his college role in the NFL. i see desmond king as a very viable safety, i dont like marcus maye at all. 

proceed...

 

I guess things changed, was it a peek of film or mocks from paid draft evaluators? 

look at the date on that... that's in november... the college season hadnt even finished yet... opinions change as they become more informed - you however had to go back 4 months to find a post that opined the same way you did and it came from someone who no longer agrees with that original opinion - almost everyone's board looks vastly different to how it did in november - i didnt even have a clue about most of the draft class until january when i started watching film

[JoeyFlex5]

^^ what he said