2017 NFL Combine

[Italian Raven]

9 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Schneider and Carroll must be licking their chops.

Lol.. I hope for the hawks that Carroll ain't lick those chops too hard. 

The should at least double dip Oline in the first 5 rounds.. I expect them to get the most versatile guy with their first. Someone who you can build an oline around. Then fill the other gaps with some later picks.

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He's got first round tape and 2nd/3rd round size. But I'm of the belief that size doesn't matter if dudes can't touch you, and I think he's one of the edge players that can truly go untouched often. He's a spark plug if I've ever seen one 

Ahahah indeed. A small Jaimie Collins.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Quincy gets beat deep more because of his reckless press than his speed. He's fluid and has length to make him less susceptible even when he lags behind a little. His press though is uncontrolled, he plants both feet and punches at the wr and he doesn't always win

Wilson is definitely one of the most refined in press coverage. He's so extremely patient and waits for the receiver to commit so he can dictate their motions instead of reaching and missing. He just doesn't carry deep speed well.

Not sure why you'd even think he's reckless.

[rossihunter2]

52 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I wonder how much will Melifonwu shoot up the boards after today. I watched just a little bit of his tape and there he appears to play fast and with purpose. We all know what vertical did for Byron Jones. Granted, Jones was mostly viewed as 2nd rounder to borderline 1st but Melifonwu has produced extreme results in all categories and looked really disappointed with 44' vertical.

Schneider and Carroll must be licking their chops.

it's not a dissimilar situation, i already had melifonwu in the 2nd round before today as well much like byron jones - what might keep him in the 2nd round is the sheer depth of guys some of whom also bossed the combine

[jazz1988]

Kevin King is pretty interesting. Not only did he have a 40 time clocked in at 4.43 sec but for him to have a  3 cone drill time at 6.56 sec at the height of 6'3" is ridiculous.

[rossihunter2]

23 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Kevin King is pretty interesting. Not only did he have a 40 time clocked in at 4.43 sec but for him to have a  3 cone drill time at 6.56 sec at the height of 6'3" is ridiculous.

he looks pretty good on tape too but im going to have to go back and look even closer at him on tape now after that combine - when the unofficial time came through on his first 40 i was like wow - ill dive back into film on him at some point soon

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Wilson is definitely one of the most refined in press coverage. He's so extremely patient and waits for the receiver to commit so he can dictate their motions instead of reaching and missing. He just doesn't carry deep speed well.

Not sure why you'd even think he's reckless.

When I watch him press it makes me uncomfortable, he doesn't give himself much room for error the way he plants both feet hard. He doesn't keep his feet chopping like he should 

Edited March 6 by JoeyFlex5

[Number23]

41 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Kevin King is pretty interesting. Not only did he have a 40 time clocked in at 4.43 sec but for him to have a  3 cone drill time at 6.56 sec at the height of 6'3" is ridiculous.

From the highlights I've seen he knows how to use that length and speed too.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Italian Raven said:

Lol.. I hope for the hawks that Carroll ain't lick those chops too hard. 

The should at least double dip Oline in the first 5 rounds.. I expect them to get the most versatile guy with their first. Someone who you can build an oline around. Then fill the other gaps with some later picks.

Ahahah indeed. A small Jaimie Collins.

I actually think tj watt reminds me a lot of Jamie Collins. 

When I watch reddick though... dare I say it... and emphasis on the incoming "poor mans"... but a poor mans von miller. 

1 inch shorter, 8 lbs lighter, arms 1 inch shorter and hands 1/2 inch bigger. And lots of similarities on tape.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

When I watch him press it makes me uncomfortable, he doesn't give himself much room for error the way he plants both feet hard. He doesn't keep his feet chopping like he should 

He pretty much waits for the receiver to commit, moves laterally with his feet when he has a clear direction, gets his punch, and doesn't open up his hips until he absolutely needs to.

He's about as near textbook as you can get.

[hn68wb4]

Lattimore hurt his hamstring at the Combine...his hamstring might as well be just a piece of scotch tape.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Lattimore hurt his hamstring at the Combine...his hamstring might as well be just a piece of scotch tape.

That might have been reported incorrectly. Lattimore clarified it was a hip flexor and nothing serious, and I've now seen corroborating reports to that tune. 

[JoeyFlex5]

33 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He pretty much waits for the receiver to commit, moves laterally with his feet when he has a clear direction, gets his punch, and doesn't open up his hips until he absolutely needs to.

He's about as near textbook as you can get.

He does all of that, but he also plants his feet hard when delivering his punch, anchoring down like a lineman, it's something that worries me about him at the next level, a guy like Antonio brown would eat all day against a corner who plants his feet at any time. He doesn't look like he's prepared to turn his hips in the event that he whiffs on his punch.

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He does all of that, but he also plants his feet hard when delivering his punch, anchoring down like a lineman, it's something that worries me about him at the next level, a guy like Antonio brown would eat all day against a corner who plants his feet at any time. He doesn't look like he's prepared to turn his hips in the event that he whiffs on his punch.

It's a great thing he just about never misses his punch due to incredible patience and the ability to read his man. 

And in the event that he doesn't feel comfortable trying to land a punch, he never tries to force it.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

It's a great thing he just about never misses his punch due to incredible patience and the ability to read his man. 

And in the event that he doesn't feel comfortable trying to land a punch, he never tries to force it.

but this is against college competition, this is one of those instances where i think competition matters, if hes facing savvy nfl route runners will he ever feel comfortable? what happens then, he relies on his mirroring abilities without his press? 

look, i like quincy wilson, hes my 3rd corner after lattimore and jones, but i think hes in need of some coaching on his press technique before he gets to the next level, i dont think its ever appropriate for an NFL corner to plant both for any reason, and he does it often when he presses. sure he does it right more often than not, but at the next level that kind of technique can get eaten up by savvy route runners.

Edited March 7 by JoeyFlex5

[Wildabeast88]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I know I meant to say 4.47 but I said 4.7s for some reason lol

You were using scout lingo everyone knows if you are under 300 it's 4 so the .47. I got your back there also thanks for the Jordan Willis scouting report I knew you had probably seen it. 

Edited March 7 by Wildabeast88

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

5 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

it's over - i've man-crushed on barnett and im gonna be heartbroken if he doesn't fall to us even if it is unlikely

Welcome to the party. 

I'm half hoping he's gone before 16 bc if he's on the board and we don't take him I might riot. 

I can say with a straight face that if Garrett and Barnett were available it'd be a tough choice for me. 

Garrett might have higher upside but raw freak athletes flop fairly frequently. Barnett just seems so class to me. I see a floor of a decent run defender that will also get you 8-12 sacks every year with 15-20 sack and constant pressure potential. 

Its just how often he wins even when the offense does everything they can to limit his opportunity. And he FINISHES with consistency and violence. 

 

I see 4 sure things in this draft. Allen, Adams, Fournette and Barnett. 

Sorry for gushing. 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Welcome to the party. 

I'm half hoping he's gone before 16 bc if he's on the board and we don't take him I might riot. 

I can say with a straight face that if Garrett and Barnett were available it'd be a tough choice for me. 

Garrett might have higher upside but raw freak athletes flop fairly frequently. Barnett just seems so class to me. I see a floor of a decent run defender that will also get you 8-12 sacks every year with 15-20 sack and constant pressure potential. 

Its just how often he wins even when the offense does everything they can to limit his opportunity. And he FINISHES with consistency and violence. 

 

I see 4 sure things in this draft. Allen, Adams, Fournette and Barnett. 

Sorry for gushing. 

i cant see the ravens passing on barnett. there is just no way. they would probably take him over guys like lattimore and hooker because of injuries, reuben foster because of positional value, and bottom line steve might just slit someones throat if barnett is passed on lol. 

he fits exactly what the ravens usually draft. unfortunately, i could legitimately see barnett going top 5 and wouldnt be surprised a bit.

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I meant to say 4.47 lol

I think Sidney Jones has claimed top CB spot. Lattimore is crazy gifted but with the broad skill set that Jones has and health on his side, I wouldn't be able to place super high ceiling Lattimore over Jones because he is just too risky when you have a polished CB with a very high floor

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

he looks pretty good on tape too but im going to have to go back and look even closer at him on tape now after that combine - when the unofficial time came through on his first 40 i was like wow - ill dive back into film on him at some point soon

King went from third rounder to easy SE ond round pick with the combine

 

[ravensnj]

7 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Sidney Jones has claimed top CB spot. Lattimore is crazy gifted but with the broad skill set that Jones has and health on his side, I wouldn't be able to place super high ceiling Lattimore over Jones because he is just too risky when you have a polished CB with a very high floor

I usually tend to agree with you on your posts, but, Jones has me skeptical. I didn't like his hands, appears shaky at times. No question he has the speed and other intangibles. 

Edited March 7 by ravensnj

[Jacquouille]

Right now I'm starting to love Chidobe Awuzie if he's there in the second.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I think Sidney Jones has claimed top CB spot. Lattimore is crazy gifted but with the broad skill set that Jones has and health on his side, I wouldn't be able to place super high ceiling Lattimore over Jones because he is just too risky when you have a polished CB with a very high floor

Injured again at the combine, no matter how minor, shows that he's brittle even in top conditioning.

 

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

I usually tend to agree with you on your posts, but, Jones has me skeptical. I didn't like his hands, appears shaky at times. No question he has the speed and other intangibles. 

Weird, jones has probably the best ball skills in the class

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

Right now I'm starting to love Chidobe Awuzie if he's there in the second.

That's a bit too early for me, I like him but as a 3rd rounder - pre-combine was hoping 4th rounder but not really anymore

[Jacquouille]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

That's a bit too early for me, I like him but as a 3rd rounder - pre-combine was hoping 4th rounder but not really anymore

I don't think you can hope for that, he's got too many tools to be there in the 3rd.

[RavensDieHard21]

2 hours ago, ravensnj said:

I usually tend to agree with you on your posts, but, Jones has me skeptical. I didn't like his hands, appears shaky at times. No question he has the speed and other intangibles. 

To each their own, but the nagging injuries for Lattimore are tough to overlook as far as picking the first corner off the board. He easily has the highest ceiling in the class but his chronic injury history just makes you think of Jimmy Smith, obviously different scenarios, but both are extremely talented and when you need that talent on the field the most there will constantly be that chance they will be banged up or out.  

Not to sound cheesy but on NFL Network they were all agreeing that Jones comes in with the most complete tool belt in the class. He checks all of the boxes and will hit the field asap. He is a Marcus Peters like talent. He covers extremely well, has high IQ in anticipating routes/ formations, probably best in class ball skills, tackles well, he can also force turnovers if players get sloppy with the ball and he doesn't have a huge injury problem. His only concern was weight and he weighed 186 at 6'. Not that bad especially with another 4-5 lbs added on over a year while maintaining sub 4.5 speed. He is just too safe of a pick. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Tj watt crushed it. His broad jump matched Myles Garrett, 40 was .05 seconds longer, 6.79 on the 3 cone, the question was always his athleticism but he seems to have cleared up some questions, I would strongly consider him at 16, I've always thought he should be considered at 16 but he didn't show obvious explosion on film which made me pause, but his film is great and he showed better than expected combine results which leads me to believe he's got room to become not only a better player but a more dangerous athlete. 

 

I just cant get over reddicks combine though, I knew he would crush it but my god he blew it out the water

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tj watt crushed it. His broad jump matched Myles Garrett, 40 was .05 seconds longer, 6.79 on the 3 cone, the question was always his athleticism but he seems to have cleared up some questions, I would strongly consider him at 16, I've always thought he should be considered at 16 but he didn't show obvious explosion on film which made me pause, but his film is great and he showed better than expected combine results which leads me to believe he's got room to become not only a better player but a more dangerous athlete. 

 

I just cant get over reddicks combine though, I knew he would crush it but my god he blew it out the water

 

I'd take watt over reddick. And yes, his surname does mean something..they both have that insane work ethic...and that comes with a nonstop motor.

I really really hope we take Tj Watt. Reddick seems more raw to me.

[RaineV1]

28 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Tj watt crushed it. His broad jump matched Myles Garrett, 40 was .05 seconds longer, 6.79 on the 3 cone, the question was always his athleticism but he seems to have cleared up some questions, I would strongly consider him at 16, I've always thought he should be considered at 16 but he didn't show obvious explosion on film which made me pause, but his film is great and he showed better than expected combine results which leads me to believe he's got room to become not only a better player but a more dangerous athlete. 

 

I just cant get over reddicks combine though, I knew he would crush it but my god he blew it out the water

I wouldn't take Watt at 16, but if we could trade back I'd be okay with taking him in the mid twenties.

[JoeyFlex5]

44 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I wouldn't take Watt at 16, but if we could trade back I'd be okay with taking him in the mid twenties.

Understandable, the tape doesn't show a guy who is worth taking at 16 but I'll put it this way... and we'll never know for sure, but I truly believe if he were to stay at school one more year that he would be a top 10 talent coming out, meaning that he hasn't even scratched the surface and I think long term he could be the 2nd or 3rd best front seven defender in this class.

 

[RaineV1]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Understandable, the tape doesn't show a guy who is worth taking at 16 but I'll put it this way... and we'll never know for sure, but I truly believe if he were to stay at school one more year that he would be a top 10 talent coming out, meaning that he hasn't even scratched the surface and I think long term he could be the 2nd or 3rd best front seven defender in this class.

 

I can see that as a possibility. Due to his potential I could even take him at 16 in a less stacked draft class. It's just that with this specific class, he'll be there in the twenties, and we can get an extra pick out of it. Though I wouldn't hate taking him at 16. i just think there's ways to get more value.