2017 NFL Combine

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But what defensive end is running 40 yards...?

Preaching to the choir but for a guy who is viewed as a highly athletic edge rusher I think teams will put some stock into that

 

19 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't think Barnett's time really affects him at all,, everyone knew he isn't the most athletic guy out there and on top of that it was well known that he was sick while going through it so I think teams won't really hold it against him at all.

Maybe not but we all know the Suggs story, and that was in a time when raw speed and explosiveness wasn't so valued

[allblackraven]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

10 yard splits would be more telling than long sprints for these guys. 

[BmoreBird22]

35 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Preaching to the choir but for a guy who is viewed as a highly athletic edge rusher I think teams will put some stock into that

I'd be shocked if a team does. 

These players are literally coached on how to stand in their stance, how to get off, how to run, how to finish with their body. Literally everything is being coached and none of it is anything close to what they'll replicate in football. 

No defensive end is running 40 yards up the field in a straight line out of a track stance. Doesn't happen.

Plus, as far as the clock is concerned, it starts on first motion, not when they cross the line to start running, so a 4.9x can be due to his start if he leaned a little or twitched his hand early. 

For example, Braxton Miller was like a 4.55, but scouts had him timed on hand clocks closer to a 4.35 and were more inclined to trust their hand clocks than the combine time.

Combine 40 is so stupid to measure speed.

[RaineV1]

So, not only was Jordan Willis second among edge guys at the 40, but he did the best of them at the 3 cone drill showing off great agility, and tied for third at the 20 yard shuttle. i didn't know much about him before the combine, but now I'm really intrigued.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

So, not only was Jordan Willis second among edge guys at the 40, but he did the best of them at the 3 cone drill showing off great agility, and tied for third at the 20 yard shuttle. i didn't know much about him before the combine, but now I'm really intrigued.

I was a big Jordan Willis fan, he's incredibly raw but has great natural abilities as an edge rusher like first step, pursuit, flexibility and balance, he also times snaps well on occasion. He has NO pass rush moves though and offers nothing as a run defender. 

Honestly between him and takk the only real tangible difference is takk is stronger and Willis is more flexible. Kids underrated

[PurpleHorseman]

3 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

When did we miss khalil Mack?

We liked him but didn't really have anything to bargain with to actually go get him

[Edgar]

24 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was a big Jordan Willis fan, he's incredibly raw but has great natural abilities as an edge rusher like first step, pursuit, flexibility and balance, he also times snaps well on occasion. He has NO pass rush moves though and offers nothing as a run defender. 

Honestly between him and takk the only real tangible difference is takk is stronger and Willis is more flexible. Kids underrated

He's actually a very good run defender.

Very smart....Sets the edge about as well as anyone in class.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

He's actually a very good run defender.

Very smart....Sets the edge about as well as anyone in class.

I know PFF graded him pretty well against the run.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

I don't think there's any way that Reddick is there at 48. My gosh if he is we better sprint that pick up, but I think there's slightly better than 0% chance of it. 

I will be absolutely shocked if he makes it out of the 1st round. 

 

And on Taco I'm honestly not that shocked. On tape I don't even see the athleticism everyone raves about. In fairness to him, the 40 shouldn't matter all that much. Idk what his 10 yard split was but I imagine it's slightly better compared to his peers than the 40 was. 

But I don't see a dynamic athlete in him. Has power and length, but he looks really sluggish changing directions and trying to accelerate again once he's slowed down. 

I want nothing to do with him at 16 or even a trade down. I'd take the upside in the 2nd round if we go a different direction in the 1st but no way he lasts that long I imagine. 

[ellicottraven]

3 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

We liked him but didn't really have anything to bargain with to actually go get him

We tried but couldn't pull it off as I understand...

[ellicottraven]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

If Reddick falls to 48 its like we hitting the lottery. Based on his combine performance and the pundits including Mayock raving about him he cemented his place as a 1st round pick I believe. Worst case he'll go late in the first or very early second. But you know what I'm wishfully hoping for? That Foster falls to us at 16 given his latest fracas at the combine... but doubt it.

[ellicottraven]

4 hours ago, allblackraven said:

10 yard splits would be more telling than long sprints for these guys. 

Agreed especially for the Ends and tackles...

[RavensDieHard21]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

Taco had a very poor 40. But we all knew Barnett would have a decent, but by no means great combine. Exactly what we needed because I think he will likely be there. So far I think Soloman Thomas and Forest Lamp will shoot up the board to the top 15. Ross might do the same if Philly gets WR hungry again too. 

As far as Reddick goes, there is about a 10% chance he makes it to 48. He blew up the combine and teams are walking away thinking he can do it all. I would be surprised if he passed Pitt and NE to be honest. 

[RavensDieHard21]

7 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

When did we miss khalil Mack?

In 14' Ozzie likes Mack and inquired about a trade up. The rumor is it was for our second and third round pick, whether that is true or not Is another story, but Ozzie did want Mack at the right price. 

[Jacquouille]

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But what defensive end is running 40 yards...?

Uh-ho, I see what you did there.

[PurpleHorseman]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Taco had a very poor 40. But we all knew Barnett would have a decent, but by no means great combine. Exactly what we needed because I think he will likely be there. So far I think Soloman Thomas and Forest Lamp will shoot up the board to the top 15. Ross might do the same if Philly gets WR hungry again too. 

As far as Reddick goes, there is about a 10% chance he makes it to 48. He blew up the combine and teams are walking away thinking he can do it all. I would be surprised if he passed Pitt and NE to be honest. 

Philly is obsessed at building a juggernaut on offense and putting weapons and a line around Wentz. Philly doesn't seem to really like any of its WRs. I could see Philly signing Pryor and making a move for Ross. If that happens we could probably get Matthews for a late round draft pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Taco had a very poor 40. But we all knew Barnett would have a decent, but by no means great combine. Exactly what we needed because I think he will likely be there. So far I think Soloman Thomas and Forest Lamp will shoot up the board to the top 15. Ross might do the same if Philly gets WR hungry again too. 

As far as Reddick goes, there is about a 10% chance he makes it to 48. He blew up the combine and teams are walking away thinking he can do it all. I would be surprised if he passed Pitt and NE to be honest. 

i still dont think barnett falls to 16, im wishful thinking by pointing that out. i speculated ross to the eagles the same day i saw the 40 time because they could prefer a gamebreaker to use wentz' big arm and open up the field, wouldnt surprise me at all. 

for reddick, i didnt know teams were valuing him that highly, ive only really seen him going in the mid 2nd and everyone knew he was going to shred the combine. his skill set projects best to be an edge rusher and he is very undersized for it, so i still think that is enough reason for him to go in the mid 2nd, regardless of combine results.

[PurpleHorseman]

29 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i still dont think barnett falls to 16, im wishful thinking by pointing that out. i speculated ross to the eagles the same day i saw the 40 time because they could prefer a gamebreaker to use wentz' big arm and open up the field, wouldnt surprise me at all. 

for reddick, i didnt know teams were valuing him that highly, ive only really seen him going in the mid 2nd and everyone knew he was going to shred the combine. his skill set projects best to be an edge rusher and he is very undersized for it, so i still think that is enough reason for him to go in the mid 2nd, regardless of combine results.

I don't think Reddick gets out of round1. He can cover and cover well. He would be an awesome weapon blitzing as a 4-3 olb. He could be a weapon blitzing as an ilb that could cover TEs. How could teams account for him blitzing as an 4-3 olb or even a 3-4 ilb? No chance he gets out of round one. That is my opinion.

However Barnett could be there at 16. He is a refined and productive college player. But fact remains he doesn't have the traits of the game wrecking edge rushers. He is refined and does everything right. He is similar to an edge rusher in 2010 Derrick Morgan refined and did everything correctly. A good player and would like to have him. But is he the game wrecker you are hoping for at 16? To change the personality of the ravens defense

Edited March 6 by PurpleHorseman

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I don't think Reddick gets out of round1. He can cover and cover well. He would be an awesome weapon blitzing as a 4-3 olb. He could be a weapon blitzing as an ilb that could cover TEs. How could teams account for him blitzing as an 4-3 olb or even a 3-4 ilb? No chance he gets out of round one. That is my opinion.

However Barnett could be there at 16. He is a refined and productive college player. But fact remains he doesn't have the traits of the game wrecking edge rushers. He is refined and does everything right. He is similar to an edge rusher in 2010 Derrick Morgan refined and did everything correctly. A good player and would like to have him. But is he the game wrecker you are hoping for at 16? To change the personality of the ravens defense

absolutely he is, he bends the edge as well if not better than anyone else in the class, he has great hand fighting skills and rarely lets linemen get their hands on him, and for all his polish he hasn't even developed any other pass rush moves yet and he could, his first step is criminally underrated just because garrett, tim williams and charles harris have unbelievable first step quickness, not to mention he's solid against the run which automatically means he's going to get on the field sooner, and he just did all the combine drills and interviews etc. with the flu - that's the sort of thing that suggs, yanda, steve smith would do in the regular season for the ravens

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

I don't think Reddick gets out of round1. He can cover and cover well. He would be an awesome weapon blitzing as a 4-3 olb. He could be a weapon blitzing as an ilb that could cover TEs. How could teams account for him blitzing as an 4-3 olb or even a 3-4 ilb. No chance he gets out of round one. That is my opinion.

However Barnett could be there at 16. He is a refined and productive college player. But fact remains he doesn't have the traits of the game wrecking edge rushers. He is refined and does everything right. He is similar to an edge rusher in 2010 Derrick Morgan refined and did everything correctly. A good player and would like to have him. But is he the game wrecker you are hoping for at 16? To change the personality of the ravens defense

barnett isnt a freakish athlete but he is a game wrecker, he makes plays over and over and against top competition. for instance, alabamas entire gameplan was "avoid barnett at all costs" and he still abused their backside, he had cam robinson on skates, he lived in their backfield, jalen hurts had a quicker release against tennessee than ever because they knew barnett was gonna be in his face and that was their only option, cam robinson is hands down their best lineman and they ran the ball as far away from his as possible because of barnett... and he still forced 2 turnovers. 

this is only one example, but there are plenty more, this was barnett on a weekly basis, i just used this example because hes taking on a championship offense and OL and still wrecked the game while they schemed heavily to avoid that exact thing. barnett was just unstoppable this year, and he was much of the same the year prior, he just needed to clean up his tackling in the run game, which he did. 

he is just about the absolute top guy im hoping for at 16, id take him over anyone outside of garrett and adams, and id pause for a second if it was between him and allen/lattimore/hooker.

[Edgar]

Reddick moves like a DB during coverage drills. 

[rossihunter2]

kevin king just killed that 40...

[rossihunter2]

christ, these dbs are just one upping each other one after the other on these 40 times

[raven94]

No kidding! They are killing it out there

[jazz1988]

Not good for Tabor

[hn68wb4]

Didn't know Mike Tyson was here, isn't he a little old?

[JoeyFlex5]

tabor running a 4.61 may finally put to bed his hype. his film sucks, he sucks, and nobody wants a corner running a 4.6. 

shocked that jourdan lewis ran in the 4.5s, he looks like a supreme athlete on film. also surprised that sidney jones was in the 4.7s, i really thought he was gonna be in the mid 4.5s and fall a bit in the draft. 

[hn68wb4]

2 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Not good for Tabor

I'm expecting Quincy Wilson to be a little slow too based on how often he gets beat deep - at least that's what i saw when watching him. Literally everytime the guy he was 1 on 1 with went deep Wilson was beat. Maybe that has more to do with his aggressiveness but I think his speed also has something to do with it.

[raven94]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

tabor running a 4.61 may finally put to bed his hype. his film sucks, he sucks, and nobody wants a corner running a 4.6. 

shocked that jourdan lewis ran in the 4.5s, he looks like a supreme athlete on film. also surprised that sidney jones was in the 4.7s, i really thought he was gonna be in the mid 4.5s and fall a bit in the draft. 

Sidney Jones  ran like 4.47

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, raven94 said:

Sidney Jones  ran like 4.47

I meant to say 4.47 lol