2017 NFL Combine

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

oh i agree there - there are so many players i really want us to get and not enough picks to get them with, but reddick at 16 is a bit rich for me

While he wouldn't be my first choice by far, I wouldn't bat an eye if that was the pick. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

23 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

You know 2 or 3 months ago I wanted Reddick at our 2nd or 3rd round pick. Now that isn't a possibility as he is pretty much a lock for the first round. I would be comfortable with him at the 16 spot. But there is so much talent elsewhere it is just insane. I think I am more in love with more players this draft than I am the last 3 or 4 combined.

Yea this is one of the best and deepest drafts I can remember. There's easily 50 or so guys that have a legitimate case as a 1st rounder and probably would be in consideration most other years. 

I feel like there are more legit impact players that could be available for us at 16 than there were for us at 6 last year. 

OL, QB and ILB aren't all that great or deep but CB, pass rushers, TE and RB have elite talent at the top and really solid depth throughout. 

This could be a franchise defining draft if done right. Really excited to see this thing unfold. 

[PurpleHorseman]

I really wanted to see Chad Kelly throw and run. I do believe he is the most skilled QB in this draft. Should Joe get injured again and maybe even retire at a younger age than most QBs. We would be fine at QB with Chad. Ogunjobi e expected 4.8 range but he is sub5. He and DJ Jones have legit opportunity to be better than Allen. I know it sounds crazy lol

[Tru11]

peppers is fast 

[rmw10]

27 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I really wanted to see Chad Kelly throw and run. I do believe he is the most skilled QB in this draft. Should Joe get injured again and maybe even retire at a younger age than most QBs. We would be fine at QB with Chad. Ogunjobi e expected 4.8 range but he is sub5. He and DJ Jones have legit opportunity to be better than Allen. I know it sounds crazy lol

Chad Kelly is Ryan Mallett with even more off-field concerns.

[allblackraven]

Man, Lawson was all business today. He has seriously shot up the boards, awesome showing.

[PurpleHorseman]

28 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Chad Kelly is Ryan Mallett with even more off-field concerns.

Not even close. He is a fiery competitor, leader and athletic. His release is clean like Carr. Nothing like Ryan Mallet. His confrontation was overblown and didn't tell complete incident. His brother was being kicked while down and trying to tear his helmet off when he ran to the sideline where it was all taken place. SI did a write up about it.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, PurpleHorseman said:

Not even close. He is a fiery competitor, leader and athletic. His release is clean like Carr. Nothing like Ryan Mallet. His confrontation was overblown and didn't tell complete incident. His brother was being kicked while down and trying to tear his helmet off when he ran to the sideline where it was all taken place. SI did a write up about it.

Lol no he's got tons of things wrong with his game.  He has moments where he looks like a superstar, but for the most part, he struggles.  He has a huge arm so I get the appeal, but the accuracy is missing as well as something in between the ears.  His decision making is bad.  I actually liked him as a developmental guy before all of the off-field stuff, but to treat him like a sure thing.... ha!

[PurpleHorseman]

27 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Man, Lawson was all business today. He has seriously shot up the boards, awesome showing.

I like Lawson. I like him better than Garrett. Not a chance of him slipping under radar and being there in round2. Have to get this guy at 16. He is the Khalil Mack that we missed.

[PurpleHorseman]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Lol no he's got tons of things wrong with his game.  He has moments where he looks like a superstar, but for the most part, he struggles.  He has a huge arm so I get the appeal, but the accuracy is missing as well as something in between the ears.  His decision making is bad.  I actually liked him as a developmental guy before all of the off-field stuff, but to treat him like a sure thing.... ha!

If you have all22 watch him. Scouts are grilling his skills because of his attitude. It happens. He threw some picks over being confident in his arm skills like an Aaron Rogers. Very little to do with accuracy problems. Sometimes he is off like all QBs but not like scouts are saying. Look at his stats it's not like he has big int problems. Wait til his pro day when you see him throw then tell me he isn't pinpoint accurate. He would have surprised everybody at the combine. But he will put on a show at his pro day.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

If you have all22 watch him. Scouts are grilling his skills because of his attitude. It happens. He threw some picks over being confident in his arm skills like an Aaron Rogers. Very little to do with accuracy problems. Sometimes he is off like all QBs but not like scouts are saying. Look at his stats it's not like he has big int problems. Wait til his pro day when you see him throw then tell me he isn't pinpoint accurate. He would have surprised everybody at the combine. But he will put on a show at his pro day.

Tools are there to be that type of guy but he's as inconsistent as he gets... thus, Ryan Mallett.

[PurpleHorseman]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Tools are there to be that type of guy but he's as inconsistent as he gets... thus, Ryan Mallett.

He is not inaccurate nor inconsistent. He forces some throws because of his confidence in  armstrength and accuracy but who doesn't. I will give you this. He is kind of an uncoached wild stallion. Very much like a young Steve Young and Brett Favre. But he is far from stupid. But when a good coach begins to mold him he has everything you look for in a QB including intelligence. It's not like he skips practices like Ryan Mallet. He will have no problem downloading a complicated playbook. We will look for his pro day. If I were to compare him to a current QBs I would say Russel Wilson,Derek Carr, Garoppolo

[DomMcRaven]

Peppers stock would've plummeted faster than a snap of a finger if he landed wrong on that backflip.

[hn68wb4]

13 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is not inaccurate nor inconsistent. He forces some throws because of his confidence in  armstrength and accuracy but who doesn't. I will give you this. He is kind of an uncoached wild stallion. Very much like a young Steve Young and Brett Favre. But he is far from stupid. But when a good coach begins to mold him he has everything you look for in a QB including intelligence. It's not like he skips practices like Ryan Mallet. He will have no problem downloading a complicated playbook. We will look for his pro day. If I were to compare him to a current QBs I would say Russel Wilson,Derek Carr, Garoppolo

I have to disagree entirely. Everytime I watch Kelly I see a guy staring down receivers and accuracy that is very inconsistent. When I was watching Damore'ea Stringfellow, one of my main takaways was that he was open far more often than he was targeted, if you sit down and just list how many times he just flat out misses an open receiver because he decided where he was going pre-snap then you'll have a pretty decently sized list by the time you're done.

Also, if a guy keeps getting into trouble even though he keeps getting caught and punished...then he's flat out stupid. There is no indication that any coach can bring him under control, he keeps shooting himself in the foot and has never shown any indication that he's learned anything. He doesn't skip practices, I'd say it's worse than just skipping, skipping indicates laziness, constantly being punished for breaking the rules indicates an idiot. If I were to compare him to QBs I'd tentatively give him a mixture of Mallet and Manziel. The guy has arm talent, no one will deny that much, but he's got an attitude that dates back far, either he doesn't want to change that or he doesn't even see it as a problem, either way i'll pass.

Edited March 5 by hn68wb4

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

He is not inaccurate nor inconsistent. He forces some throws because of his confidence in  armstrength and accuracy but who doesn't. I will give you this. He is kind of an uncoached wild stallion. Very much like a young Steve Young and Brett Favre. But he is far from stupid. But when a good coach begins to mold him he has everything you look for in a QB including intelligence. It's not like he skips practices like Ryan Mallet. He will have no problem downloading a complicated playbook. We will look for his pro day. If I were to compare him to a current QBs I would say Russel Wilson,Derek Carr, Garoppolo

Wilson, Carr, and Jimmy G?  Sure, let's pick 3 completely unalike QBs and compare another QB that's nothing like any of them.

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Wilson, Carr, and Jimmy G?  Sure, let's pick 3 completely unalike QBs and compare another QB that's nothing like any of them.

Haha, well - it only makes sense - otherwise you'd break a pattern

[PurpleHorseman]

22 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I have to disagree entirely. Everytime I watch Kelly I see a guy staring down receivers and accuracy that is very inconsistent. When I was watching Damore'ea Stringfellow, one of my main takaways was that he was open far more often than he was targeted, if you sit down and just list how many times he just flat out misses an open receiver because he decided where he was going pre-snap then you'll have a pretty decently sized list by the time you're done.

Also, if a guy keeps getting into trouble even though he keeps getting caught and punished...then he's flat out stupid. There is no indication that any coach can bring him under control, he keeps shooting himself in the foot and has never shown any indication that he's learned anything. He doesn't skip practices, I'd say it's worse than just skipping, skipping indicates laziness, constantly being punished for breaking the rules indicates an idiot. If I were to compare him to QBs I'd tentatively give him a mixture of Mallet and Manziel. The guy has arm talent, no one will deny that much, but he's got an attitude that dates back far, either he doesn't want to change that or he doesn't even see it as a problem, either way i'll pass.

Like I said we will wait for his pro day. And see if he isn't accurate. As for missing open receivers? Brady even said he kicks himself after games because of all the open receivers he missed being open. So when you are in the pocket under a rush it happens. But he has smarts and instincts to get better. As did Steve Young and Brett Favre

 

20 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Wilson, Carr, and Jimmy G?  Sure, let's pick 3 completely unalike QBs and compare another QB that's nothing like any of them.

Garappolo and Carr have very similar skill sets. Tell us all how different their skills are. And Chad Kelly is a little more athletic than Carr and Garappolo. He is a legit TD threat when he has to run. So his armstrength, tight release mixed with athleticism is closer to Russel Wilson in that aspect.

[hn68wb4]

Just now, PurpleHorseman said:

Like I said we will wait for his pro day. And see if he isn't accurate. As for missing open receivers? Brady even said he kicks himself after games because of all the open receivers he missed being open. So when you are in the pocket under a rush it happens. But he has smarts and instincts to get better. As did Steve Young and Brett Favre

Throwing at a pro day is not the same as in a game, watch his film and you'll see his accuracy take breaks throughout the game. It's just objectively true that at times his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Of course every QB misses open guys during a game, but Kelly does it consistently and constantly, if it only happened a couple times per game I wouldn't have a complaint about it, but it doesn't only happen when he's under pressure, he also does it in a clean pocket. Comparing him to Young and Favre is just ridiculous, just because a guy has some arm talent and may get a bit better over time doesn't magically make him first ballot hall of fame caliber, or even capable of being that good. Casually comparing him to all time greats really only hurts your case, when you make comparisons that lofty then most likely you're not being objective about him. You can like a player and be realistic about them, those two camps are not mutually exclusive.

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Throwing at a pro day is not the same as in a game, watch his film and you'll see his accuracy take breaks throughout the game. It's just objectively true that at times his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Of course every QB misses open guys during a game, but Kelly does it consistently and constantly, if it only happened a couple times per game I wouldn't have a complaint about it, but it doesn't only happen when he's under pressure, he also does it in a clean pocket. Comparing him to Young and Favre is just ridiculous, just because a guy has some arm talent and may get a bit better over time doesn't magically make him first ballot hall of fame caliber, or even capable of being that good. Casually comparing him to all time greats really only hurts your case, when you make comparisons that lofty then most likely you're not being objective about him. You can like a player and be realistic about them, those two camps are not mutually exclusive.

I think the below says all we really need to know about his "talent evaluation"

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I like Lawson. I like him better than Garrett. Not a chance of him slipping under radar and being there in round2. Have to get this guy at 16. He is the Khalil Mack that we missed.

 

[Italian Raven]

1 hour ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I like Lawson. I like him better than Garrett. Not a chance of him slipping under radar and being there in round2. Have to get this guy at 16. He is the Khalil Mack that we missed.

 

I guess people will take your 'like' for 'is a better player'.

He has a ton of moves and he's been criminally underrated so far so as you say, he's not hard to like and hopefully he'll be picked where he deserves to.

[PurpleHorseman]

8 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

 

I guess people will take your 'like' for 'is a better player'.

He has a ton of moves and he's been criminally underrated so far so as you say, he's not hard to like and hopefully he'll be picked where he deserves to.

That is exactly what i mean. He is a player we can actually get. I like him a lot. Part of it is he is so criminally underrated. He turns the corner so low and tight and looks so strong doing it. I don't know about Garrett but I would take him well before Barnett.

[PurpleHorseman]

20 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

Throwing at a pro day is not the same as in a game, watch his film and you'll see his accuracy take breaks throughout the game. It's just objectively true that at times his accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. Of course every QB misses open guys during a game, but Kelly does it consistently and constantly, if it only happened a couple times per game I wouldn't have a complaint about it, but it doesn't only happen when he's under pressure, he also does it in a clean pocket. Comparing him to Young and Favre is just ridiculous, just because a guy has some arm talent and may get a bit better over time doesn't magically make him first ballot hall of fame caliber, or even capable of being that good. Casually comparing him to all time greats really only hurts your case, when you make comparisons that lofty then most likely you're not being objective about him. You can like a player and be realistic about them, those two camps are not mutually exclusive.

If a QB is not accurate it will definitely show up throwing at a proday. Of course there is more to being a QB. Tell me something else I already know. His uncle was similar at one time. His arm talent is very comparable to his uncle. 

Of course he has to learn the the position and put his arm skill to the turf. But to say he doesn't have top shelf arm talent isn't true. Which we will see at his proday. Matter of fact we will compare his pro day to any QB in this class. His arm skills is as comparable to any QB in the last  couple drafts. That doesn't mean I'm calling him can't miss. Because he can miss like any first round QB. All I'm saying he is as talented as any QB in this class. And last couple drafts for that matter.

[purpletide]

21 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Adam Schefter with more on the Reuben Foster story:

Grew impatient? Oh boy. That screams penalty flags all day and fines/suspensions galore. If he got impatient at a hospital worker, what is he going to do on the field? Sounds like he'll be Vontaze Burfict 2.0 so keep him out of our division to anyone ahead of us.

Being from Bama, I might be a bit biased, but unlike Burfict, Foster was never antagonizing the refs and coaches, headhunting players, nor did he have a problem with flags and outbursts. He was a leader in the defense throughout his career, and just as @BmoreBird22 said, I imagine that his situation at the Combine and the pressure that comes with the Combine. This is much more the problem of one outburst (that from memory, has never really happened before), not insinuating major character issues.

[rossihunter2]

2 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

I like Lawson. I like him better than Garrett. Not a chance of him slipping under radar and being there in round2. Have to get this guy at 16. He is the Khalil Mack that we missed.

When did we miss khalil Mack?

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, purpletide said:

Being from Bama, I might be a bit biased, but unlike Burfict, Foster was never antagonizing the refs and coaches, headhunting players, nor did he have a problem with flags and outbursts. He was a leader in the defense throughout his career, and just as @BmoreBird22 said, I imagine that his situation at the Combine and the pressure that comes with the Combine. This is much more the problem of one outburst (that from memory, has never really happened before), not insinuating major character issues.

Well said, from what I have heard from media, it sounds like a lot of people around thought the medical staff worker was way out of line. I haven't heard why this medical worker was out of line, but Foster reacted to it and in the end they asked him to leave the combine. I think it would be foolish not to take him at #16 if he falls that far. 

[JoeyFlex5]

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

[hn68wb4]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

I don't think Barnett's time really affects him at all,, everyone knew he isn't the most athletic guy out there and on top of that it was well known that he was sick while going through it so I think teams won't really hold it against him at all.

[RaineV1]

Aside from Willis, a guy that jumped out was Marquel Lee. A 4.61 isn't mind blowing, but it is really good for an inside/middle linebacker. He beat Cunningham's time pretty easily.

[BmoreBird22]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

But what defensive end is running 40 yards...?

[Sizzlebshu]

23 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So much for taco rising, 4.92 was highly unexpected. Barnett at 4.88 was expected but he actually may fall to 16 with that. Reddick at 4.52 is exceptional but no surprise, just confirms what we've seen on tape, he's one of my favorites at 48

 

Barnett's time probably helped him if anything because at 4.88 while reportedly sick as a dog, he can probably improve on that at his pro day and beat the bench mark time of 4.8 for the position. Wouldve been nice to see him under that, but a close time might get him a pass given he was sick.

 

If all of this holds, I would expect reddick to go before barnett because barnett missed the cut off line. Taco's athleticism is also going to cause some serious issues for him. Again running above a 4.8 tends to raise red flags 

18 minutes ago, hn68wb4 said:

I don't think Barnett's time really affects him at all,, everyone knew he isn't the most athletic guy out there and on top of that it was well known that he was sick while going through it so I think teams won't really hold it against him at all.

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