2017 NFL Combine

[Sizzlebshu]

1 hour ago, Clmraven said:

Might be the most athletic TE group in combine history. I'm kinda disappointed were so crowded at TE already.

If the Ravens are smart, they will just ignore this and draft TE's anyway. No one we have is worth missing out on a group like this. I would not be upset at all if our first two picks were Howard and Engram. 

Talk about instant coffee on offense. 

Edited March 4 by Sizzlebshu

[ravefan52]

The extreme amount of investment put into TE has left the roster thin elsewhere, but I'd take OJ Howard all day long. He is going to be a an elite TE and edge and CB are deep positions where we could definitely still get impact starters later on.

[ravensnick]

23 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Spoiler alert: They all suck

I agree that Trubisky and Watson are really overhyped, but I think Hue Jackson would be able to mold Kizer really well if he doesn't have to be rushed to start. Kizer still should go second round, lower expectation would be a ton better for his development. I personally think Mahomes is going to end up being a really good QB. The Saints should take him in the second. Mahomes with 2 or so years behind Brees + Sean Payton will great a very, very good player. 

[ravensnick]

32 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

The extreme amount of investment put into TE has left the roster thin elsewhere, but I'd take OJ Howard all day long. He is going to be a an elite TE and edge and CB are deep positions where we could definitely still get impact starters later on.

If we cut Pitta (spoiler, we probably will) that would leave us with Gilmore, WIlliams, Boyle, and Waller at TE. I really like all those guy, but Gilmore and WIlliams are injury prone, Boyle already has a drug suspension under his belt, and Waller might no even make the final roster. It sucks because I love this TE class, but you are right: we just are logjammed already. OJ, David Njoku, Bucky Hodges, Evan Ingram, Jake Butt man those guys are really talented. If by some miracle Evan Ingram is on the board in the late second, I'd say trade up for him, because he'd immediate replace the slot hybrid we'd lose by getting rid of Pitta.

Edited March 4 by ravensnick

[ravensnation5220]

So gareon Conley seems to be the longest corner with 33 inch arms. Although all the 6ft guys seem to have good length anyways

[ravensnation5220]

SSS has kupp as his top wide reciever

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, PurpleHorseman said:

So you could dunk a basketball in HS? Did you play basketball?

I could never actually throw it down.  I got close with a couple alley-oops and i could easily pop the rim.  I was more of a Jason Williams type player, had great handles and loved to pass, decent shooter (went 10/10 on threes in one game, ended with 54 points).  im 5'8

[allblackraven]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I could never actually throw it down.  I got close with a couple alley-oops and i could easily pop the rim.  I was more of a Jason Williams type player, had great handles and loved to pass, decent shooter (went 10/10 on threes in one game, ended with 54 points).  im 5'8

I could only dunk a tennis ball in high school at 6'0" and not every time. Things went downhill after that.

[usmccharles]

Just now, allblackraven said:

I could only dunk a tennis ball in high school at 6'0" and not every time. Things went downhill after that.

Yea, i dont think i could play one full court pick-up game at this point.  All that beer is catching up. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, usmccharles said:

Yea, i dont think i could play one full court pick-up game at this point.  All that beer is catching up. 

Slow pick-up tournament sponsored by Heineken sounds like the ideal event for us.

[usmccharles]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Slow pick-up tournament sponsored by Heineken sounds like the ideal event for us.

beam me up Scotty

[JO_75]

Adam Schefter with more on the Reuben Foster story:

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NFL officials are reviewing the procedures that contributed to Alabama LB Reuben Foster getting into a "heated altercation" with a hospital worker to see if they can make improvements and ensure it doesn't happen again, per league sources. Another league source said there was a "miscommunication" that allowed the argument between Foster and a hospital worker to escalate. Foster had been waiting for an extended period for what the NFL calls his "pre-exam", when he grew increasingly impatient and began questioning a hospital worker. The hospital worker did not take kindly to Fosters words and eventually the two were face to face, in a heated exchange. Other players were there at the time and the NFL is questioning them to get a full account of events. But one league source said the league has to review the procedures and create better communication so that players understand what is happening and why there are delays. Foster is a potential top 10 pick and one executive from team said last night he thought, coming into the combine, that "Foster was a legitimate top 3 pick."

Grew impatient? Oh boy. That screams penalty flags all day and fines/suspensions galore. If he got impatient at a hospital worker, what is he going to do on the field? Sounds like he'll be Vontaze Burfict 2.0 so keep him out of our division to anyone ahead of us.

Edited March 5 by JO_75

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Adam Schefter with more on the Reuben Foster story:

Grew impatient? Oh boy. That screams penalty flags all day and fines/suspensions galore. If he got impatient at a hospital worker, what is he going to do on the field? Sounds like he'll be Vontaze Burfict 2.0 so keep him out of our division to anyone ahead of us.

But you have to think, who wants to sit in a hospital waiting room for several hours just to be poked and prodded after waking up at like 3 AM so you can do all the daily activities, including, but not limited to- being poked and prodded, interviewed with insane questions, drug tested, etc.

[RaineV1]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But you have to think, who wants to sit in a hospital waiting room for several hours just to be poked and prodded after waking up at like 3 AM so you can do all the daily activities, including, but not limited to- being poked and prodded, interviewed with insane questions, drug tested, etc.

Joe Thomas commented on it. Saying from his experience it was probably because they were asking to do MRIs and stuff like that for really old injuries. He had to have his ankle looked at for the combine for a sprain he got when he was 12. So, while he doesn't condone Rueben losing his cool, he said he understood.

Tweets he added to that one:

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Example: my year, they made me get an X-ray on my ankle that I sprained playing basketball when I was 12 Still need to act respectful!!

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Stress builds for players because the medical is 1st day, + plyrs know more they wait and get tired the more it effects the on field drills

 

Edited March 5 by RaineV1

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

Joe Thomas commented on it. Saying from his experience it was probably because they were asking to do MRIs and stuff like that for really old injuries. He had to have his ankle looked at for the combine for a sprain he got when he was 12. So, while he doesn't condone Rueben losing his cool, he said he understood.

Eric Winston basically said they try to get you worked up and he thinks if it were private and not in front of other players, Foster wouldn't have played the tough guy card.

[hn68wb4]

On 3/3/2017 at 0:42 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

If he falls to 48 I would pounce. I still think he's gonna be an elite SS. The boys a tackling machine and he's highly instinctive, I think his int numbers would be less concerning if he wasn't used as an attack man so much. 

The kid is a natural ball player and it shows on film, he never pauses to think, he never second guesses, he's usually in the right place, and his form and technique never slip.

It's funny that you mention that because I've been fooling around with giving him to us in the second round of my next mock for a while now - not that that'll be anytime soon anyway. He seems like an Ozzie pick to me, a guy that shows up on tape, but size and position concerns drop him into our lap later than he should be available.

I'm backing off from my long time assertion that he needs to be a WLB in a 4-3 defense to be best utilized, but I still think that it'll take creative defensive coordinator to completely use him to the best of his ability, and whether or not Pees is creative enough to do that is a matter for debate, but I think overall he will be a successful SS in the NFL.

[allblackraven]

19 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Adam Schefter with more on the Reuben Foster story:

Grew impatient? Oh boy. That screams penalty flags all day and fines/suspensions galore. If he got impatient at a hospital worker, what is he going to do on the field? Sounds like he'll be Vontaze Burfict 2.0 so keep him out of our division to anyone ahead of us.

This cannot be farther from truth

[Jonah DeVito]

3 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

If the Ravens are smart, they will just ignore this and draft TE's anyway. No one we have is worth missing out on a group like this. I would not be upset at all if our first two picks were Howard and Engram. 

Talk about instant coffee on offense. 

If the Ravens weren't smart*

[BmoreBird22]

I still hate Jabrill Peppers as a prospect. 

I know Flex mentioned great instincts, but you don't have one total interception (in your last year, no less) and only 10 PD's by being instinctive in coverage. He's also not fluid enough to flex outside.

And in sub packages, you're going to sacrifice run defense with him. 

I just can't get behind him.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I still hate Jabrill Peppers as a prospect. 

I know Flex mentioned great instincts, but you don't have one total interception (in your last year, no less) and only 10 PD's by being instinctive in coverage. He's also not fluid enough to flex outside.

And in sub packages, you're going to sacrifice run defense with him. 

I just can't get behind him.

I'm with you. Don't like him at all for us. 

Not saying he won't or can't become a good player... I just don't see it and definitely not worth finding out with a high pick. Just way too much depth at positions we need to fill - potential plug and play high end playmakers to waste on an experiment. 

 

I think he got by way too much on athleticism in college. But his size is a liability as a LB in the NFL and his coverage ability/athleticism is sub par for a safety. 

I can see him becoming a great special teams player and excelling in very specific situations if you build a package for him... but I can't see him being an every down player for us. 

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm with you. Don't like him at all for us. 

Not saying he won't or can't become a good player... I just don't see it and definitely not worth finding out with a high pick. Just way too much depth at positions we need to fill - potential plug and play high end playmakers to waste on an experiment. 

 

I think he got by way too much on athleticism in college. But his size is a liability as a LB in the NFL and his coverage ability/athleticism is sub par for a safety. 

I can see him becoming a great special teams player and excelling in very specific situations if you build a package for him... but I can't see him being an every down player for us. 

He is the exact type of player the NFL has a love-hate relationship with.

He's got excellent versatility and a creative coordinator will drool over him for sub packages where he can play almost all spots on the back end and at LB, but then again, he won't ever really be excellent at any of them. 

Perfect example of jack of all trades, master of none.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I still hate Jabrill Peppers as a prospect. 

I know Flex mentioned great instincts, but you don't have one total interception (in your last year, no less) and only 10 PD's by being instinctive in coverage. He's also not fluid enough to flex outside.

And in sub packages, you're going to sacrifice run defense with him. 

I just can't get behind him.

I think his lack of interceptions can be largely attributed to his role. He was sent to attack very often. All these same concerns were said about Ramsey as well who was used as an attack man at SS and he had almost no plays made in film beyond 10 yards. It's all about philosophy, I think given a chance to roam the intermediate that he would have made many more plays in the pass

[raven94]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I still hate Jabrill Peppers as a prospect. 

I know Flex mentioned great instincts, but you don't have one total interception (in your last year, no less) and only 10 PD's by being instinctive in coverage. He's also not fluid enough to flex outside.

And in sub packages, you're going to sacrifice run defense with him. 

I just can't get behind him.

I think what flex was getting at with that was just his traits. He really tried to highlight his strong safety traits of making good tackles, and really not letting ball carriers get by him in anyway. I think the Peppers could become a better Bernard Pollard. A kind of enforcer/energizer of the defense plus his great return skills. I have other prospects I'd take in the second but I can justify Peppers in the second. We don't need him to make the pick we need him to have his place in coverage so that OBJ and Chris Hogan don't go all the way for the TD on one play, we need him to help force a 3 and out late in the fourth quarter when we have the lead ala Oakland and Washington and pittsburgh. 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

If the Ravens are smart, they will just ignore this and draft TE's anyway. No one we have is worth missing out on a group like this. I would not be upset at all if our first two picks were Howard and Engram. 

Talk about instant coffee on offense. 

i might regret starting up a discussion with you because they are rarely positive, but it looks like im the only one who agrees here. 

engram is like pitta meets ebron, the fact that he isnt being touted as a first rounder is just weird, hes a mismatch nightmare, hes a big bodied, savvy route running possession style receiver with the explosiveness to break one on any catch. he would probably see more targets, receptions, touchdowns, and YAC numbers than any wr/te on the roster as a rookie. i like howard a lot but im less sold on him because of the limited amount of actual playmaking on film by him, its almost entirely busted coverages, but the wingspan and speed are ridiculous. 

either of those guys would bring an element that joe has never had, it would be a statement move to say that were really trying to help joe

[GENIUSofFF]

5 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

SSS has kupp as his top wide reciever

He is being a little biased because Cooper Kupp plays like his mentor. And who can blame him. SS credits him for the player and person he became. He gave SS confidence because he instantly pulled him aside to help him and tell him how great he could become. Because he saw special traits in SS. He is like a big brother to SS.

[raven94]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i might regret starting up a discussion with you because they are rarely positive, but it looks like im the only one who agrees here. 

engram is like pitta meets ebron, the fact that he isnt being touted as a first rounder is just weird, hes a mismatch nightmare, hes a big bodied, savvy route running possession style receiver with the explosiveness to break one on any catch. he would probably see more targets, receptions, touchdowns, and YAC numbers than any wr/te on the roster as a rookie. i like howard a lot but im less sold on him because of the limited amount of actual playmaking on film by him, its almost entirely busted coverages, but the wingspan and speed are ridiculous. 

either of those guys would bring an element that joe has never had, it would be a statement move to say that were really trying to help joe

I think Howard's best assets are running the seams, outs, and deep in routes. Joe makes $110 mil. Because of those routes and how pitta ran them. Howard would do well on the line and I agree Engram can be special in terms of flexibility and YAC which makes him a dangerous weapon, but I'm still more in favor of bolstering the weak parts of our defense with this draft class.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, raven94 said:

I think Howard's best assets are running the seams, outs, and deep in routes. Joe makes $110 mil. Because of those routes and how pitta ran them. Howard would do well on the line and I agree Engram can be special in terms of flexibility and YAC which makes him a dangerous weapon, but I'm still more in favor of bolstering the weak parts of our defense with this draft class.

dont get me wrong i fully prefer that too, id take an edge, cb, safety, or guard over a TE, but i think OJ or engram fill a need much more than it appears and with great talents.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, allblackraven said:

This cannot be farther from truth

Lmao. Agreed. I REALLY like Foster as a prospect. I don't see Foster as the kind of guy who would be a dirty player/locker room cancer.

[ravefan52]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I still hate Jabrill Peppers as a prospect. 

I know Flex mentioned great instincts, but you don't have one total interception (in your last year, no less) and only 10 PD's by being instinctive in coverage. He's also not fluid enough to flex outside.

And in sub packages, you're going to sacrifice run defense with him. 

I just can't get behind him.

I agree. There's just way too many great prospects I love to take on what's a huge risk in Peppers imo. Biggest issue is I don't trust him in coverage at all

[Clmraven]

17 hours ago, Sizzlebshu said:

If the Ravens are smart, they will just ignore this and draft TE's anyway. No one we have is worth missing out on a group like this. I would not be upset at all if our first two picks were Howard and Engram. 

Talk about instant coffee on offense. 

I would be happy with either of them(not so sure about both). But would absolutely love to have Howard I've been wanting him to be a raven since 2015, I'm just not so sure he makes it to us anymore. If he did though I'd hope Ozzie would pull the trigger, yeah our TE group is overcrowded but Howard is an absolute freak.