[News] Late For Work 2/15: Here's What Mike Mayock's Top 5 Position Rankings Suggest To Ravens

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I respect this fully. I'm an optimist but I am always pragmatic. Many on this page are reluctant to ever criticize the FO or coaching, but the key area where we need to reevaluate is the draft, plus player development. 

We need guys who are purely talented and can contribute, guys who have flashes yet don't seem developed are no longer cutting it. We need more type A players. We need the mean streak back because nobody fears us anymore, especially with SSS retired and Suggs being on the way out. No one looks on their schedule and says oh darn we got the Ravens. We're just another team now. 

Well thank you. Going by the negative reaction my post seems to get, I think speaking truth to power and reality seems to ruffle people's feathers here. But, it needed to be said because I spoke the truth as I understood it. When you think about it and read it like you did, one can understand there was no malice in my post but constructive critique of what may be ailing us. John's meddling has been reported before in local media so I just extrapolated the results we've been seeing to those reports and it fit like a glove!

[PersianRaven]

  11 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

lets give them 4 years before we label them busts is what im trying to say... sorry my English isn't the best..... From Beirut Lebanon.. middle east...

No problem.  As-Salaam-Alaikum

Of course a Marine knows how to say that!

[usmccharles]

32 minutes ago, PersianRaven said:

Of course a Marine knows how to say that!

Thank you

[sizzlingdoom]

Tryrod Talor bad news for the ravens if he signs with Cleveland, you bet. He knows our "OLD" defense and will run circles around those old guys. He also knows our "3 and out Flacco" isn't getting better, he's getting worse. The Browns or any NFL team will love having the Ravens on their schedule.
The players are too OLD, too SLOW and coaching isn't that great either. We are stuck with 8 and 8 being a good year.

Good call. HAHAHAHA. Cuz it's like he was teamed with a top 5 NFL back last year and a much better team..........And he managed to run circles around our D for a WHOLE 7 points on a 4th and goal I believe. LOL. So he'll probably be much better with the Browns....?? lol You are right about one thing though. Our coaching is awful

[sizzlingdoom]

  17 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

Yeah, I'm sure if a guy choked out your pregnant mom or daughter only ONCE, you'd be cool with him.....cuz he's a baller and they aint nothing but tricks, right?

LOL. Sad, immature, and irrelevant response. Keep providing though

[sizzlingdoom]

I'm surprised that Sidney Jones is over Lattimore, I think experience and injury history factored in there. If jones gains 5-8 pounds and gets a little more physical, he will be a premier cover corner. 

Tim Williams was another surprise, uber talented, but this is implying he will make more strides forward while believing Barnett has peaked?🤔 I think Williams goes day 2, but I pray we don't overlook him, even if it be at 16, or trade back. His get off is insane. He had all the traits of a dangerous speed rusher. 

I think it's super likely he does add a little weight. I'm a huge fan of Jones and am rooting for Sidney Jones or Quincy Wilson if we pick at 16. Jones looks crazy talented and he plays with attitude with is awesome. Our team needs some more of it to say the least. Especially with Smitty leaving.
Williams is interesting. I see him going in the second half of round 1. I'm just hoping there's a run on qbs before us. We absolutely need a CB in one of the first 2 rounds unless we sign a legit corner in FA. But, if there's a run on qbs, I can see Fournette or Mike Williams slipping to 16, which would be AWESOME imo

[sizzlingdoom]

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

I agree with you completely. I'm not saying we should necessarily draft Mixon, but you make excellent points.
We're living in the past, can't move on, and afraid of media backlash, yet somehow losing doesn't matter as much.
But hey, let's keep drafting players from BYU and Mathematicians.
Its sad and unfortunate. We keep drifting further and further away from the organization I fell in love with years ago.
Make or break year coming up for everybody. Will we be right back where we want to be? Or will it be time for a whole new staff and rebuild? The new coaching staff should already be in place, but Steve can't seem to move on from his friends/family yet

[BMoreDuck]

18 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

Mixon has had red flags since high school. Oregon started to recruit him, but backed off because of several reports of glaring character concerns. He wanted to be a Duck badly, but the staff ended up wanting nothing to do with him. I agree that people deserve second chances, but the incident at Oklahoma wasn't his first incident and it probably won't be the last. I hope the Ravens don't even peep in his direction. Sounds like a headache.

Edited February 16 by BMoreDuck

[sizzlingdoom]

  15 hours ago, sami said:

most fans don't want to hear this but since the DB class is so deep it would be better for the Ravens to pick something other than a DB for the first and maybe second rounds.

Deep as far as there are talented players there, that by no means equates to an immediate answer opposite of jimmy. The league is short on premier corners and the SB proved they're highly coveted. 

After round 2 there will be a significant drop because there will be an easy 10 off the board. The difference between landing Sid Jones or Marshon Lattimore v Kevin King or Reshaun Douglas is vast. 

Agree completely. Especially since we need a true #1, cuz we can't rely on Jimmy. But if he does stay healthy, which I have faith in, the cb weakness will immediately become a massive strength, and probably the best unit on the team. Jones+Jimmy+Tavon+Weddle+Whoever plays FS = Extremely difficult to throw on. No matter who our DC is- though the whole db 8 yards off thing makes me wanna break my TV.
It's possible 10-14 corners go in the first 2 rounds which is insane. So the drop off will be massive after that most likely. Jones or Wilson all day is what I'm thinking if we pick at 16.
I think the only excuse for not taking a corner if we pick at 16, is if Mike Williams or Fournette slips to 16. Which is possible with all the talent in this draft, if there's a small run on qbs before 16. Or if guys like Hooker, Thomas, and Jamal Adams slip to 16. Can't see that happening though. Adams is a Raven. The type of Raven that used to represent of organization. A talented BA defender that plays like he's a man among boys.

[20306cab]

Where's Mayock's QB list? That is the MOST IMPORTANT position they need to improve. Too bad they can't draft a HC as well.

[sizzlingdoom]

Where's Mayock's QB list? That is the MOST IMPORTANT position they need to improve. Too bad they can't draft a HC as well.

Unfortunately we probably won't be able to do anything about the QB position for another couple years. I'm all for drafting a HC though. Switching out Jon for Jim would be such an upgrade

[sizzlingdoom]

Where's Mayock's QB list? That is the MOST IMPORTANT position they need to improve. Too bad they can't draft a HC as well.

Joe could bounce back this year. He really can't play much worse than last year. We need our OC to be at least average, Joe's knee and pocket awareness to be much better, and we need to add Marshall. Those are 3 big things, but all very possible. Marshall, Wallace, and Perriman would be NASTY. even replacing Wallace with Moore in that equation would be sweet.

[The Beak]

11 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

People want to blame F O coaching etc smh the Ravens have respect in drafting players and getting undrafted free agents and now since the QB is killing this team now fingers are getting pointed at everyone but! The squeelers have won Super Bowls with the lowest payroll in the past is where Ozzie learned this method of spotting talent in all players but if the QB is stinking up the place this method will look bad to some! The sun "Rises and Sets" on the QB PERIOD! SMH Brady makes his players look good and check what spots they get drafted! Smh

P-Dawg this post is hard to read, and lacks valid points . It wouldn't hurt if you used a comma or two....

[rmcjacket23]

  22 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

I agree with you completely. I'm not saying we should necessarily draft Mixon, but you make excellent points.
We're living in the past, can't move on, and afraid of media backlash, yet somehow losing doesn't matter as much.
But hey, let's keep drafting players from BYU and Mathematicians.
Its sad and unfortunate. We keep drifting further and further away from the organization I fell in love with years ago.
Make or break year coming up for everybody. Will we be right back where we want to be? Or will it be time for a whole new staff and rebuild? The new coaching staff should already be in place, but Steve can't seem to move on from his friends/family yet

Just so you are aware, the decision not to sign or draft people with a DV background comes from Steve, the owner.

So a new coaching staff will still have the same policy in place, because its not up to them. I doubt Steve is interested in selling the team anytime soon, so that's not going to change.

[sizzlingdoom]

  20 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/15/2017 at 7:17 AM, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

I agree with you completely. I'm not saying we should necessarily draft Mixon, but you make excellent points.
We're living in the past, can't move on, and afraid of media backlash, yet somehow losing doesn't matter as much.
But hey, let's keep drafting players from BYU and Mathematicians.
Its sad and unfortunate. We keep drifting further and further away from the organization I fell in love with years ago.
Make or break year coming up for everybody. Will we be right back where we want to be? Or will it be time for a whole new staff and rebuild? The new coaching staff should already be in place, but Steve can't seem to move on from his friends/family yet

Just so you are aware, the decision not to sign or draft people with a DV background comes from Steve, the owner.

So a new coaching staff will still have the same policy in place, because its not up to them. I doubt Steve is interested in selling the team anytime soon, so that's not going to change.

I'm aware of what is stated publicly. Also aware of the politics and reality of it all. Thanks though

[Chuckx999]

If the front office isn't already looking at all the dynamics of the drafting process that has progressively declined since the advent of John Harbaugh as HC, they're doing the Ravens organization and its loyal fanbase a disservice.
You got that right. How many fast WR's and TE's do we have on this team? Problem is that speed doesn't have to catch the ball, and that's what's wrong with these guys, they CAN"T CATCH a cold.
Where's Todd Heap and Bolden when we need them????

[bigcatfrank1]

totally overlooking a top Center. The Ravens need to fill this position and I expect they will use a #2 or #3 on it. I would be surprised to see them pass on a #1 Center to get a #3 or #4 CB, S or Pass Rusher.

[concretejimmy]

totally overlooking a top Center. The Ravens need to fill this position and I expect they will use a #2 or #3 on it. I would be surprised to see them pass on a #1 Center to get a #3 or #4 CB, S or Pass Rusher.

Center is the worst position in this draft. Would be happy with a Guard or Tackle just to draft that position. I want to sign Ronald Leary. Wagner will probably be gone and signing a FA OL will be a priority. Leary should be cheaper and a quality LG to replace Osemele. Move Lewis to RT.

[concretejimmy]

  On ‎2‎/‎16‎/‎2017 at 6:37 AM, 20306cab said:

Where's Mayock's QB list? That is the MOST IMPORTANT position they need to improve. Too bad they can't draft a HC as well.

Joe could bounce back this year. He really can't play much worse than last year. We need our OC to be at least average, Joe's knee and pocket awareness to be much better, and we need to add Marshall. Those are 3 big things, but all very possible. Marshall, Wallace, and Perriman would be NASTY. even replacing Wallace with Moore in that equation would be sweet.

Yes, Brandon Marshall. He should be affordable this time around. Most likely to get cut by the Jets. The only other WR for me is Garcon. I get the feeling he's going to get paid well.

[concretejimmy]

I'm hoping some QBs are drafted early. I don't see Fournette being there and hope Dalvin Cook is gone also. Maybe Corey Davis is there. Reuben Foster will likely be gone and is probably better than Mosley and would replace Orr. Unless being absent at the combine makes his stock drop. I'm fine with drafting a TE. OJ Howard? I think Barnett would be there and replace Dumervil, he's as good as gone. Especially after the Browns draft Garrett. And a good chance the Bengals draft Foster. And Suggs has this season and maybe another. I thought Judon was a late round Gem and a couple years to develop.

[concretejimmy]

As much as I harped on drafting a Safety or CB over the last couple of years. I can say I hope the Ravens draft one of these other offensive or defensive studs in the 1st round. WR, TE, LB, Edge. Can find a CB or Safety later. Look at Tavon Young. This draft is deeper than last year. I wouldn't be surprised to find 1st round talent in the 2nd or 3rd round.