[News] Late For Work 2/15: Here's What Mike Mayock's Top 5 Position Rankings Suggest To Ravens

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Five young players the Ravens need more from in 2017. If Cleveland nabs QB Tyrod Taylor, that would be ‘bad’ for Baltimore.

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[Drew P]

Who woulda thought that they spent minimal time with KC prior to the draft. Probably spent minimal time watching his film too.

[bioLarzen]

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

[ByTheBay]

It's probably hoping for too much but wouldn't it be great if Corea is able to fill the void left by Orr and Bronson K came back from IR ready to make some noise. At some point we are going to get production from more than a couple players in a draft class and I have a good feeling about the 2016 draftees.

[TheConquerorWorm]

Who woulda thought that they spent minimal time with KC prior to the draft. Probably spent minimal time watching his film too.

His film was pretty impressive. Great at setting the edge and made plays to get to the QB. Played up against better competition. Much, much better game tape than Noah Spence who was lazy, struggled against the run (still does) & loafed when the play went to the other side and didn't show up against bigger competition.

These are the two guys that most Monday morning GMs like to compare to one another. It will be interesting to see how they do next year. Can KC get on the field? Will Spence recover from his major shoulder surgery and be able to deal with the likelihood that it keeps reoccurring thru out his career?

[TheRavengers]

17 minutes ago, ByTheBay said:

It's probably hoping for too much but wouldn't it be great if Corea is able to fill the void left by Orr and Bronson K came back from IR ready to make some noise. At some point we are going to get production from more than a couple players in a draft class and I have a good feeling about the 2016 draftees.

That would be great if Correa was on the same level of play as Orr or Mosley, and I hope he's had some more time to adjust to being an ILB. Sure hope he's better than Arthur Brown. As for Bronson Kaufusi, I'm hoping he plays at a good level for someone coming off a season-ending injury, someone who can fill in for Suggs so he isn't doing most of the work and for when he eventually retires.

[potomacpitbulls]

If the first 5 rounds went something like this I would be happy:
1. Teez Tabor NFL COMPARISON Darius Slay
2. T.J. Watt NFL COMPARISON Paul Kruger
3. Zay Jones NFL Family pedigree
4. Obi Melifonwu NFL COMPARISON George Iloka
5. Donnel Pumphrey NFL COMPARISON Warrick Dunn
6. Antonio Garcia NFL COMPARISON Tyron Smith

[Azzi22]

If the first 5 rounds went something like this I would be happy:
1. Teez Tabor NFL COMPARISON Darius Slay
2. T.J. Watt NFL COMPARISON Paul Kruger
3. Zay Jones NFL Family pedigree
4. Obi Melifonwu NFL COMPARISON George Iloka
5. Donnel Pumphrey NFL COMPARISON Warrick Dunn
6. Antonio Garcia NFL COMPARISON Tyron Smith

NO TO ALL OF THEM

[usmccharles]

57 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

A recent report has come out from the girl's lawyer that a father of a highschool girl was beaten up by Joe and the father goes on to say he is a woman beater.  The difference in this situation compared to with RR is that RR didn't have these issues and we drafted him as a clean character guy.  Mixon to me is already a lot of words I wont say on here because I will get banned, I would be disgusted if we drafted him.  I understand your premise of we cant just draft perfect choir boys, but at the same time the owner is the one that attaches these names to HIS organization, HIS team, HIS image, pays these guys.  The kid showed no remorse, he was joking with his teammates on the sidelines and having them pretending to punch him....does that sound like a good character kid who "learned his lesson."  That is not a player I would like attached to our name, just my preference

[RowdyMan52]

I believe we will draft a special player which ever way the board fall at 16, we will have options. I would love for us to get a proven young vet at the WR spot I been banging the drum for Kenny Stills and will continue to because he is the best fit for our offense, unless we magically nab B. Marshall.. And the notion we should fear Tyrod going to Cleveland is the best joke I heard since the offseason started I mean honestly I love Tyrod and wish him the best but if he decide to go to the Browns then he should be the one worried playing our defense twice a year.. Never have we feared any quarterback in this division let alone the Browns.. Here's to a great offseason can't wait to see how we shape out for '17 season!! #GORAVENS

[TheConquerorWorm]

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

Yeah, I'm sure if a guy choked out your pregnant mom or daughter only ONCE, you'd be cool with him.....cuz he's a baller and they aint nothing but tricks, right?

[ellicottraven]

If the front office isn't already looking at all the dynamics of the drafting process that has progressively declined since the advent of John Harbaugh as HC, they're doing the Ravens organization and its loyal fanbase a disservice.

I know its unpopular to criticize our drafting, but look at our draft picks recently in the first few rounds. Not stellar or at least to he standards set by Ozzie earlier. I really believe it is reflective of selecting players based on their character over their playing talent and also a reflection that players are selected based on their special team prowess and ability over positional talent and ability. I don't know when this transition occurred or this culture took root, but suffice it to say that it has something to do with John Harbaugh's dated philosophy.

Unless Ozzie, Eric, Hortiz and the scouting department take back the draft room and wrest full control, we are going to see the same safe and morose drafting of players. This is a league where risk is rewarded. We need to take risks on character and depend on a strong locker room to bring such players in line. Not avoid them and subsequently great talent. Look at our team now. We've got good players in the draft but we haven't drafted great players and perennial probowlers like we used to before. We need to take on character risks as part of the risk of doing business. Unless we do, we are destined towards long term mediocrity.

I hope Steve Bisciotti pays attention to the dynamics starting this year and make just the front office fully accountable for the draft and the coaches fully accountable for making the most of them. If players keep taking more than a couple of years to 4 yrs to develop, then we've lost the salary cap edge and battle. This is why we struggle against the cap most years. We need to get immediate contributors in every draft. Second year players must all be full contributors to the team. 3rd and 4th year players need to be starters. How many such players do we really have or drafted over the past 7-8 yrs? Not many and that better change.

[Azzi22]

Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT? talking Correia... how are you guys judging him already? we haven't even seen him play on D yet.... some 2nd rounders played this year and made a mockery of the team that chose them and a fool of themselves.(Dodd(titans)---Jaylen Smmith (cowboys)--- myles jack(jags)--- list goes on and on...
give the guy a chance.. we have NO CLUE what hes capable of...he will be just fine..

[mendii]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

There could not be a worse team to pickup the running back who has a public video of him assaulting a woman than the Baltimore Ravens. Mixon will never suit up in purple and black. 

[mendii]

7 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT? talking Correia... how are you guys judging him already? we haven't even seen him play on D yet.... some 2nd rounders played this year and made a mockery of the team that chose them and a fool of themselves.(Dodd(titans)---Jaylen Smmith (cowboys)--- myles jack(jags)--- list goes on and on...
give the guy a chance.. we have NO CLUE what hes capable of...he will be just fine..

The book has seemingly been written on Breshad Perriman as well, the good news is that the FO doesn't listen to media hype. I say give a guy his rookie contract before deciding he's a bust, which is what we just finished doing with Matt Elam. 

[Crusader]

"Cleveland Nabbing Tyrod Taylor Would Be ‘Bad’ For Ravens" Heck yea, I'm counting on Cleveland using one of their first round picks on a QB. Other wise they will pick a top CB or RB.

[budman]

16 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT? talking Correia... how are you guys judging him already? we haven't even seen him play on D yet.... some 2nd rounders played this year and made a mockery of the team that chose them and a fool of themselves.(Dodd(titans)---Jaylen Smmith (cowboys)--- myles jack(jags)--- list goes on and on...
give the guy a chance.. we have NO CLUE what hes capable of...he will be just fine..

It's the same people who will come on here next off season and say how they told everyone that KC was worth the pick and he just needed time. The same people that came on here and said that C. Upshaw wasn't worth keeping. They didn't seem to know how well he played for us, especially against the run. Now they are on here saying that we should have kept him and it's all Harbaugh's fault . SMH

[Crusader]

"Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT?" Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, RowdyMan52 said:

I believe we will draft a special player which ever way the board fall at 16, we will have options. I would love for us to get a proven young vet at the WR spot I been banging the drum for Kenny Stills and will continue to because he is the best fit for our offense, unless we magically nab B. Marshall.. And the notion we should fear Tyrod going to Cleveland is the best joke I heard since the offseason started I mean honestly I love Tyrod and wish him the best but if he decide to go to the Browns then he should be the one worried playing our defense twice a year.. Never have we feared any quarterback in this division let alone the Browns.. Here's to a great offseason can't wait to see how we shape out for '17 season!! #GORAVENS

I don't know if your being serious or not.  McCown has torched us for 450 yards, Ben has thrown for 6 TDs on us, Dalton has picked us apart before.  If Tyrod went to the Browns, he could do some damage there, they have good weapons and have 2 first round picks.   This mentality of bashing the Browns is a little out of order considering how tough they play us.  Werent they beating us 21-0 at halftime this year or something... We may not fear a QB, but I bet you we respect them

[budman]

34 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I don't know if your being serious or not.  McCown has torched us for 450 yards, Ben has thrown for 6 TDs on us, Dalton has picked us apart before.  If Tyrod went to the Browns, he could do some damage there, they have good weapons and have 2 first round picks.   This mentality of bashing the Browns is a little out of order considering how tough they play us.  Werent they beating us 21-0 at halftime this year or something... We may not fear a QB, but I bet you we respect them

And don't forget Big Ben who torched us in the 4th Qtr to derail our Playoff hopes, and also the unforgettable 7 Touchdowns that Peyton Manning put up on us.

[billiejean]

9 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

The Chiefs have all the fun with a guy the likes of Tyreek Hill with all the sea of character concerns - and I don't see the public image of the Chiefs fall a notch - and we're still at the "don't expext the Ravens to draft this or that guy because he did something wrong ONCE." Maybe that's part of the explanation why we have become a regular feature of the "look who's missed the playoff" game while teams like the Chiefs are in...

As for Mixon, there were multiple reports that he's well liked by staff members, players, coaches - and basically everybody, and did what he did ONCE. That doesn't make it OK of course - but I do think the public image ramifications of selecting players with such cases have been way overblown in Baltimore. I can understand that the Rice case caused some shellshock - but it would be high time to leave it behind... You won't win many games in the NFL with a team of gentlemen.

The amount of draftable players that have domestic violence concerns is so small that it in no way affects our drafting success. And contrary to popular belief we haven't shied away from drafting people with other types of character concerns. Alex Lewis knocked out an Air Force cadet and spent 45 days in jail because of it. And its not like all of these guys with off field concerns automatically turn their life around once they get into the NFL. For every Tyreek Hill there is a Josh Gordan, Johnny Manziel, Aaron Hernandez, or Brendan Merriweather. Being well liked by coaches, players and staff members doesn't mean that you aren't a scum bag. When you are the number 1 running back recruit in the nation people are going to like you. Playing time is going to be abundant and as long as you have a good attitude on the football field coaches and players are going to like you. But it is clear that Mixon has let this adulation go to his head. Mixon and his ego have been an issue for a while now. Even in High School his big man on campus persona has been a problem as USMC has pointed out below. There were multiple times during the dispute when Mixon could have walked away. The most notable was after the verbal altercation outside. There was a 20 second gap between the time the girl enters the door and when Mixon does. He could have let it go but no.... this guy would not be disrespected in front of his friends. There is also the incident of the parking ticket which happened more recently. This is the quote from wiki... "Oklahoma suspended Mixon for one game in 2016 after an incident involving him and a parking attendant. After receiving a parking citation, Mixon confronted the attendant, tore the citation in half, and threw the pieces, which hit her in the face. According to the incident report, he then "inched at the officer" with his vehicle "to intimidate the officer". When anyone challenges this guys authority or if he perceives someones actions as disrespectful he has no problem trying to intimidate smaller and weaker people. I don't want a guy like that on my team. He is a scumbag.  I do agree that their is a double standard in perception between the Ravens and other teams.  Another example was when Frank Clark drafted by Seattle.  

Edited February 16 by billiejean

[Azzi22]

"Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT?" Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying.

Hes been in 1(KC).. same with Perriman.. but they are BUSTS?

[billiejean]

  1 hour ago, Azzi22 said:

Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT? talking Correia... how are you guys judging him already? we haven't even seen him play on D yet.... some 2nd rounders played this year and made a mockery of the team that chose them and a fool of themselves.(Dodd(titans)---Jaylen Smmith (cowboys)--- myles jack(jags)--- list goes on and on...
give the guy a chance.. we have NO CLUE what hes capable of...he will be just fine..

It's the same people who will come on here next off season and say how they told everyone that KC was worth the pick and he just needed time. The same people that came on here and said that C. Upshaw wasn't worth keeping. They didn't seem to know how well he played for us, especially against the run. Now they are on here saying that we should have kept him and it's all Harbaugh's fault . SMH

If we want Upshaw he will be available. They only signed him to a one year show me deal. He didn't do anything noteworthy with Atlanta and only got playing time because Derek Shelby tore his achilles. The 6 games before the injury to Shelby, Upshaw was only activated for three of them. For the rest he was a healthy scratch.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Azzi22 said:

Hes been in 1(KC).. same with Perriman.. but they are BUSTS?

That was his answer to your question.  "Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying."

[billiejean]

"Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT?" Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying.

Cmon crusader read the whole response. He wasn't talking about how to determine a bust after a guy is in the NFL for four years.

[Drew P]

3 minutes ago, billiejean said:

If we want Upshaw he will be available. They only signed him to a one year show me deal. He didn't do anything noteworthy with Atlanta and only got playing time because Derek Shelby tore his achilles. The 6 games before the injury to Shelby, Upshaw was only activated for three of them. For the rest he was a healthy scratch.

The Ravens have a surplus of Upshaws

[Azzi22]

  6 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Hes been in 1(KC).. same with Perriman.. but they are BUSTS?

That was his answer to your question.  "Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying."

lets give them 4 years before we label them busts is what im trying to say... sorry my English isn't the best..... From Beirut Lebanon.. middle east...

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

lets give them 4 years before we label them busts is what im trying to say... sorry my English isn't the best..... From Beirut Lebanon.. middle east...

No problem.  As-Salaam-Alaikum

[Crusader]

  20 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

  23 minutes ago, Azzi22 said:

Hes been in 1(KC).. same with Perriman.. but they are BUSTS?

That was his answer to your question.  "Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying."

lets give them 4 years before we label them busts is what im trying to say... sorry my English isn't the best..... From Beirut Lebanon.. middle east...

I wonder where this world is going to when a simple question become a big ordeal. Maybe I should responded in Spanish, Russian or something.

[Crusader]

  1 hour ago, Crusader said:

"Serious Question, how do you guys determine who's a BUST OR NOT?" Their not in the NFL after 4 years of trying.

Cmon crusader read the whole response. He wasn't talking about how to determine a bust after a guy is in the NFL for four years.

The question mark ends the sentence. Simple question if you ask me "How....do.....you....guys....determine...who's....a.....BUST....or.....NOT?"