[News] Eisenberg: We're Asking The Wrong Question About Brandon Williams

[sizzlingdoom]

  On 2/12/2017 at 5:35 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

Interesting to think about if we didn't resign any of our free agents. I think Wagner is the only one we should consider.
I know everyone has their preference, but I would probably cut:
-Doom
-Wallace
-Pitta
-Watson
-Arrington
-K.Lewis
-Webb
-Wright
-Zuttah (hopefully trade him)

If a site is right that frees up 33 Million in cap space!!! Not to mention it's be great to add a little to that if Flacco restructured at all.
That means we really can go after whoever we want. Hope KC pissed off Berry so much he leaves.
I think Stephone Gilmore and Marshall (through trade or FA) have to be our top targets.
If we did cut all those names above, the only positions to fill from the moves would be
wr-Marshall
Safety- Cyprien would be Awesome at SS- Weddle to FS
Corner-Gilmore, or Trumaine Johnson
Center- I'm hoping for Elflein in round 2
We already need a pass rusher. Round 3 maybe. Or round 1 if we grab Gilmore and there's a stud at 16. Solomon Thomas would be awesome
Though I doubt we'll make that many cuts, this should be an interesting offseason

Stop the madness lol

you were on the right track untill you said release Pitta and Wallace.

iv occasionally  criticized Flacco for his inconsistant play last year but to take his 3 best pass catchers in 1 offseason is insane. We want to add talent not wholes on this squad. 

Pitta took a 4 mil dollar paycut last year as a thank you so there's just about 0% the Ravens cut him. It also only frees up 3.2mil if we do and there's no way we find anyone better for that amount. Maybe we can play with his contract a bit to free up cap but he won't get cut.

Wallaces contract was structured in a way that we'd redo it this year so why would you let go of a 1000 yard WR? Redo the deal and the cap hit falls a few million. Agai if you let go of Wallace then you save 5.5mil. Good luck finding a 1000 yard receiver with that money.

also Webb is not getting cut unless a better option walks in the building. The Ravens have all the leverage now to redo his deal so why lose him for nothing?

everything else you said could probably happen. Including Flacco taking 4 mil up front and moving the cap hit to 3 years down the road but I wouldn't recommend that kind of a move unless we're going all in. Super bowl or bust kind of move.

The only way I would release Wallace is if we signed a true number 1 like Marshall. That way Perriman could be the two and the deep threat. I think we could do without Pitta. We have enough TEs and he can't block. I would use that money towards keeping Wagner or something. Not another TE.
Everyone has their opinion though. There aren't any right moves. lol

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

The only way I would release Wallace is if we signed a true number 1 like Marshall. That way Perriman could be the two and the deep threat. I think we could do without Pitta. We have enough TEs and he can't block. I would use that money towards keeping Wagner or something. Not another TE.
Everyone has their opinion though. There aren't any right moves. lol

Absolutely. Everyone has their own opinion and noone is right or wrong at this point.

i just find it intriguing coz every once in a while someone throws a curve ball that makes so much sense but no one saw it coming lol

[sizzlingdoom]

  On 2/12/2017 at 4:10 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

I don't really understand. Before I state my points and questions, I will say this. I live in Ca and and the only games I got to see on my dvr and remind and watch plays over again were the prime time games. The others I had to watch at a pizza place. And I had beer in me for every game. BUT, to me it looks like Pierce was just about as disruptive as BWill this year. He had a couple sacks and to me it looks like he has as much or more pass rushing ability already. And I know he stuffs the run. And I remember multiple times this year just watching him walk an oline man 3-6 yards straight back into the back field. And he played all 16 games. I know he hasn't done it for as long, but I think he's just about there. And very well may be ready to man the every down role of our NT. Especially keeping the momentum from this season heading into the off season. I didn't exclude it because it's not always the same process for everyone. And to me Pierce proved he's ready. He's hungry and really seems as talented as anybody in the league at his position. He just needs more time on the field to prove himself and improve his game, which can top out at all pro level imo. Though true nosetackles don't really get much love at all. What a pick up this guy was.
Brandon Williams is literally going to make 16-20 times more than Pierce next year. Think about how crazy that is. Considering the position+Pierce+our current roster+the price tag for BWill coming up, I think we've gotta spend that 8-10 on something else. Wagner, S. Gilmore, Marshall.
Just wondering why you think Pierce is so far behind BWill

First off, I appreciate the detailed response and you make a lot of valid points. I'm sorry if I implied that I don't have faith in Pierce or that I don't want to see him on the field.

For starters, I don't give a NT much credit or criticism when it comes to sacks because I know that it comes and goes. He may have 7 one season and 1 the next and have a better year overall. Sacks is not a NTs job. Ultimately, a NT needs to swallow double teams and dictate to the opposing offense where the run game goes. B.Will is one of the best at doing that. He regularly makes life easy for our DEs and MLBs. That comes from overall awareness of scheme and football IQ. And of course you need to be physically gifted to be able to do that against opposing linemen.

pierce is a fantastic athlete and can push a car over if he wanted to. I'm just not sure he diagnoses plays and knows when to sacrifice his body or stats for the better of the team. That's not a knock on Pierce but the Ravens play a complicated scheme on the line and if one person steps out of line then we give up big plays not an extra yard or 2.

Pierce started loosing playing time as the season went on and to me that's a big concern. Maybe it's not his fault but that's an indication that he's just not ready. Early in the season when our D was full strength, we put Pierce in situations where he didn't need to think much. Just beat the guy in front of you.

well to keep things simple, having Bwill start and Pierce play 30-50 percent of snaps is a luxury that id love to keep. Dline was one of the few consistant units on this team so why mess with it if you can afford to keep it? We can handle an injury crisis but if Pierce is the starter then he gets hurt or we need more bodies on 3rd and short or goal line then what?

If Williams demands 8-10 mil a year then he's a talent that is worth us working around. It's not like he's going to ask for Suh money or we can't get out of his contract whenever Pierce is ready.

i think iv said this on another thread, the Ravens ultimately have 30-35 million in cap space to work with for 2017 without letting go of players who started last year. If we keep b will and Wagner that's probably gonna count 10-12 mil against the cap combined in 2017. That leaves 15-20mil to attack a draft and FA this year so it's not like we were 2 years ago where we need to make a lot of sacrifices.

Id love to have Gilmore but now we may be talking of something like 12mil a year money and I'm not sure our FO would have 2 CBs making 25 mil a year.

B.Marshall on the other hand is someone that I think we should pursue before he gets released. Heck throw a 6th round their way and we're done here lol. His 7.5 mil cap hit is so doable and we could even sign him to an extension and spread the cap hit as he is in his last year of his deal. 

This will be an interesting off season as our current roster doesn't have any glaring need but a whole bunch of positions that could get upgraded. 

I think you made a lot of good point as well.
I'm aware that it's not the NT's job to get sacks or qb pressure. I just think paying a Dlineman up to 10 mil a year, that doesn't get any qb pressure is very questionable. Maybe it's worth it. And I'm definitely a big BWill fan. And there's almost nothing I hate more than being run on.
Basically I was thinking a little bit along the lines of the article and if it comes down to one or the other with Wagner and BWill. I think we're playing with fire if we don't resign Wagner. Esp. if we rely on Alex Lewis. That would be nuts. I know all the fans are in love with him, but he hasn't proved much yet imo. Especially for a starting right tackle job.
Neither are gonna get tagged. And I would say in terms of the cap, we can definitely keep both if we really wanted to. But it's not that simple. They are both in the prime of their careers and simply might want to test free agency. If they both want to leave, we'll have money for something. I'm aware of BWill's responsibilities and how valuable he is to the team. In all honesty I just think 10 mil would be spent better elsewhere. Add 2 mil and Stephone Gilmore Jimmy and Tavon make a top 3 cb tandem in the league. In that case I would try to replace BWill with one of our thirds, which is a gamble.
Just my opinion, but of all the actual positions, I think MLB,NT, and Guard are positions that you don't necessarily have to spend 1rst and 2nd round picks on, or spend top dollar in FA.