[News] Zach Banner Is Massive, But Is He The Next Bryant McKinnie?

[sizzlingdoom]

  22 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

And roster fillers is what you get when you trade back in draft and skip on the likes of Myles Jack, Noah Spence and Sterling Shepard, and then draft KC.

Yeah you're right.... Myles Jack who had a whole 24 tackles his rookie season... Noah Spence who only had 5.5 sacks while Matt Judon the team's 5th round selection got 4 sacks almost as many behind Suggs and Dumervil most the season.... And Sterling Shephard a #3 receiver. 

Think of the selections the team got while trading back... Kamalei Correa may not be an immediate impact but look at the 4th rounders the team got in return that DID have a huge impact. They wouldn't be in Baltimore if not for the trades.

Spence had 5.5 sacks and 3 FF. And might be the best pass rusher from the class aside after Bosa.
Sterling Shepard is easily going to be a top 5 slot wr for the next decade- he was the number 2 wr as a rookie, not 3. And only behind Beckam. Shepard- 683 yards and EIGHT tds.
Michael Thomas- 1,137 yards and NINE tds
Deion Jones and Cody Whitehair slid too and are now future pro bowl main stays.

AND KC might not ever be good enough to start. ever. AB2.0.

And Henry hasn't played at all yet, Moore hasn't done anything yet, and Lewis hasn't proven anything yet. Love Dixon and Young.

Spence, Thomas, Shepard, and Whitehair are all future pro bowlers and are huge areas of need for us.

I know some want to wait. But that pick was absurd. Instead of filling a huge area of need with a future pro bowler, or very good player at the very least, we chose a "hustle" player without a position that might not ever be good enough to start, let alone be an impact player. Everyone in the draft saw him as a pass rusher. BUT, he can't take on tackles so now we're "making" him an ILB. If that's the case he has every single opportunity in the world to start this year. He could've played when Mosely was out last year. It's put up this year for him, or it's another awesome high round pick setting us back even more. There's no way around it. Hopefully he shuts us nay sayers up this year, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Kufasi too, another hustle player... :/ Shepard and Thomas...the chain mover and red zone target we need right now...
This class is loaded with talent. ESP CORNER OZZIE. If we blow more high round picks this year.......ravens fans are soon going to be going "remember when we had those 8-8 years?? That was awesome". The browns have a bunch of picks and money, they'll even pass us up soon. Not making the playoffs this year was just pathetic

[billiejean]

If they are looking at O line help start at the center position. Our center always got pushed around, couldn't help in opening even a small path for RB's.

Not exactly true. He was fifth highest graded player on offense for the entirety of the year. He is more of a zone guy than a power blocker, but to say he got pushed around a lot just isn't true. There was that one game in the beginning of the year where he backed up on Joe twice (its not an excuse but Jensen and Urschel were the guards in the a game) and then another early game where he had 1 bad snap. People seem to have extrapolated those two performance across the entirety of the season. The guys not an all star and certainly didnt deserve to go to the Pro Bowl. He is a middle of the road guy ranked as the 13 best center in the league. And he was ranked 9th the year before that. If we keep him and start to use the zone blocking scheme more often he should fair better than he did this year. Either way we need to bring in some competition for those interior lineman spots.

[billiejean]

  23 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

  23 hours ago, RaRaRavens said:

And roster fillers is what you get when you trade back in draft and skip on the likes of Myles Jack, Noah Spence and Sterling Shepard, and then draft KC.

Yeah you're right.... Myles Jack who had a whole 24 tackles his rookie season... Noah Spence who only had 5.5 sacks while Matt Judon the team's 5th round selection got 4 sacks almost as many behind Suggs and Dumervil most the season.... And Sterling Shephard a #3 receiver. 

Think of the selections the team got while trading back... Kamalei Correa may not be an immediate impact but look at the 4th rounders the team got in return that DID have a huge impact. They wouldn't be in Baltimore if not for the trades.

Spence had 5.5 sacks and 3 FF. And might be the best pass rusher from the class aside after Bosa.
Sterling Shepard is easily going to be a top 5 slot wr for the next decade- he was the number 2 wr as a rookie, not 3. And only behind Beckam. Shepard- 683 yards and EIGHT tds.
Michael Thomas- 1,137 yards and NINE tds
Deion Jones and Cody Whitehair slid too and are now future pro bowl main stays.

AND KC might not ever be good enough to start. ever. AB2.0.

And Henry hasn't played at all yet, Moore hasn't done anything yet, and Lewis hasn't proven anything yet. Love Dixon and Young.

Spence, Thomas, Shepard, and Whitehair are all future pro bowlers and are huge areas of need for us.

I know some want to wait. But that pick was absurd. Instead of filling a huge area of need with a future pro bowler, or very good player at the very least, we chose a "hustle" player without a position that might not ever be good enough to start, let alone be an impact player. Everyone in the draft saw him as a pass rusher. BUT, he can't take on tackles so now we're "making" him an ILB. If that's the case he has every single opportunity in the world to start this year. He could've played when Mosely was out last year. It's put up this year for him, or it's another awesome high round pick setting us back even more. There's no way around it. Hopefully he shuts us nay sayers up this year, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Kufasi too, another hustle player... :/ Shepard and Thomas...the chain mover and red zone target we need right now...
This class is loaded with talent. ESP CORNER OZZIE. If we blow more high round picks this year.......ravens fans are soon going to be going "remember when we had those 8-8 years?? That was awesome". The browns have a bunch of picks and money, they'll even pass us up soon. Not making the playoffs this year was just pathetic

You would be a really great GM if you could pick players for the 2017 draft in 2021. But if you are going to talk the talk you should walk the walk. In this years draft you should be your own GM. When the Ravens are on the clock, draft a player that is still on the board, and then post your picks in a forum. At the end of the year later we will compare your draft to Ozzys. Lets see how you fare when you have to choose players in REAL TIME and without the benefit of hindsight. I am actually being serious about this. I think everyone who thinks they know more about talent evaluation than the Ravens front office should do this. Clearly, I think that you will fail miserably, but if you don't I would certainly be impressed.

[billiejean]

The only way that we should take this guy is if he becomes a UDFA. The guy is soooo slow. He is so ridiculously unathletic and he gets consistently beat by smaller, faster guys. Before suggesting that we should use a third rounder on the guy at least look at some of his tape, even just a little bit of it. The guys is stiff and he has a difficult time keeping his pad level low. Hes an upright guy that will never be starting caliber OL. Not at Gaurd or Tackle. At first I thought that he was just a low effort guy. However I have come to the conclusion that he is in fact giving it his all, but he is just so slow and stiff that he looks lackadaisical. Size isnt everything in the NFL. His weight issues are a red flag as well. He has gotten up to 400 pounds at some points during is college career. He has had this weight problem every year and there are legitimate concerns about his dedication to perfecting his craft in the offseason. And when you weigh as much as this guy does shedding weight shouldn't be too difficult. Its not all bad news for this guy though.  He is going to get the nobel peace prize for his part in answering the age old question.... "Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar" .He is already falling down draft boards from a projected 3rd rounder to a 4th, and his combine performance is going to take him down even further. He reminds me of this guy.....

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=10a8c937-62dc-41c7-b7b6-54028c9b95be

Edited February 11 by billiejean

[billiejean]

  On 2/10/2017 at 9:53 AM, trevorsteadman said:

  On 2/10/2017 at 9:39 AM, RaRaRavens said:

And roster fillers is what you get when you trade back in draft and skip on the likes of Myles Jack, Noah Spence and Sterling Shepard, and then draft KC.

Yeah you're right.... Myles Jack who had a whole 24 tackles his rookie season... Noah Spence who only had 5.5 sacks while Matt Judon the team's 5th round selection got 4 sacks almost as many behind Suggs and Dumervil most the season.... And Sterling Shephard a #3 receiver. 

Think of the selections the team got while trading back... Kamalei Correa may not be an immediate impact but look at the 4th rounders the team got in return that DID have a huge impact. They wouldn't be in Baltimore if not for the trades.

Spence had 5.5 sacks and 3 FF. And might be the best pass rusher from the class aside after Bosa.
Sterling Shepard is easily going to be a top 5 slot wr for the next decade- he was the number 2 wr as a rookie, not 3. And only behind Beckam. Shepard- 683 yards and EIGHT tds.
Michael Thomas- 1,137 yards and NINE tds
Deion Jones and Cody Whitehair slid too and are now future pro bowl main stays.

AND KC might not ever be good enough to start. ever. AB2.0.

And Henry hasn't played at all yet, Moore hasn't done anything yet, and Lewis hasn't proven anything yet. Love Dixon and Young.

Spence, Thomas, Shepard, and Whitehair are all future pro bowlers and are huge areas of need for us.

I know some want to wait. But that pick was absurd. Instead of filling a huge area of need with a future pro bowler, or very good player at the very least, we chose a "hustle" player without a position that might not ever be good enough to start, let alone be an impact player. Everyone in the draft saw him as a pass rusher. BUT, he can't take on tackles so now we're "making" him an ILB. If that's the case he has every single opportunity in the world to start this year. He could've played when Mosely was out last year. It's put up this year for him, or it's another awesome high round pick setting us back even more. There's no way around it. Hopefully he shuts us nay sayers up this year, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Kufasi too, another hustle player... :/ Shepard and Thomas...the chain mover and red zone target we need right now...
This class is loaded with talent. ESP CORNER OZZIE. If we blow more high round picks this year.......ravens fans are soon going to be going "remember when we had those 8-8 years?? That was awesome". The browns have a bunch of picks and money, they'll even pass us up soon. Not making the playoffs this year was just pathetic

Its ridiculous to judge a draft class after one year. You can't look at what a guy has done in his first year in the league, and assume that they are going to keep being able to do it (or not be able to doing it) for the rest of their careers. The name RG3 and Vince Young come to mind. Jay Ajayi and Landon Collins had terrible rookie seasons. And I mean absolutely terrible. This year they were 2 of the best players in their respective position groups.

[TheConquerorWorm]

The only way that we should take this guy is if he becomes a UDFA. The guy is soooo slow. He is so ridiculously unathletic and he gets consistently beat by smaller, faster guys. Before suggesting that we should use a third rounder on the guy at least look at some of his tape, even just a little bit of it. The guys is stiff and he has a difficult time keeping his pad level low. Hes an upright guy that will never be starting caliber OL. Not at Gaurd or Tackle. At first I thought that he was just a low effort guy. However I have come to the conclusion that he is in fact giving it his all, but he is just so slow and stiff that he looks lackadaisical. Size isnt everything in the NFL. His weight issues are a red flag as well. He has gotten up to 400 pounds at some points during is college career. He has had this weight problem every year and there are legitimate concerns about his dedication to perfecting his craft in the offseason. And when you weigh as much as this guy does shedding weight shouldn't be too difficult. Its not all bad news for this guy though.  He is going to get the nobel peace prize for his part in answering the age old question.... "Who stole the cookie from the cookie jar" .He is already falling down draft boards from a projected 3rd rounder to a 4th, and his combine performance is going to take him down even further. He reminds me of this guy.....

http://www.maxpreps.com/m/article.aspx?articleid=10a8c937-62dc-41c7-b7b6-54028c9b95be

Agree 100%. Watch the tape - this guy is not an NFL player....

[eze17]

  On 2/11/2017 at 9:08 AM, sizzlingdoom said:

  On 2/10/2017 at 10:53 AM, trevorsteadman said:

  On 2/10/2017 at 10:39 AM, RaRaRavens said:

And roster fillers is what you get when you trade back in draft and skip on the likes of Myles Jack, Noah Spence and Sterling Shepard, and then draft KC.

Yeah you're right.... Myles Jack who had a whole 24 tackles his rookie season... Noah Spence who only had 5.5 sacks while Matt Judon the team's 5th round selection got 4 sacks almost as many behind Suggs and Dumervil most the season.... And Sterling Shephard a #3 receiver. 

Think of the selections the team got while trading back... Kamalei Correa may not be an immediate impact but look at the 4th rounders the team got in return that DID have a huge impact. They wouldn't be in Baltimore if not for the trades.

Spence had 5.5 sacks and 3 FF. And might be the best pass rusher from the class aside after Bosa.
Sterling Shepard is easily going to be a top 5 slot wr for the next decade- he was the number 2 wr as a rookie, not 3. And only behind Beckam. Shepard- 683 yards and EIGHT tds.
Michael Thomas- 1,137 yards and NINE tds
Deion Jones and Cody Whitehair slid too and are now future pro bowl main stays.

AND KC might not ever be good enough to start. ever. AB2.0.

And Henry hasn't played at all yet, Moore hasn't done anything yet, and Lewis hasn't proven anything yet. Love Dixon and Young.

Spence, Thomas, Shepard, and Whitehair are all future pro bowlers and are huge areas of need for us.

I know some want to wait. But that pick was absurd. Instead of filling a huge area of need with a future pro bowler, or very good player at the very least, we chose a "hustle" player without a position that might not ever be good enough to start, let alone be an impact player. Everyone in the draft saw him as a pass rusher. BUT, he can't take on tackles so now we're "making" him an ILB. If that's the case he has every single opportunity in the world to start this year. He could've played when Mosely was out last year. It's put up this year for him, or it's another awesome high round pick setting us back even more. There's no way around it. Hopefully he shuts us nay sayers up this year, but I'm not counting on it. We'll see. Kufasi too, another hustle player... :/ Shepard and Thomas...the chain mover and red zone target we need right now...
This class is loaded with talent. ESP CORNER OZZIE. If we blow more high round picks this year.......ravens fans are soon going to be going "remember when we had those 8-8 years?? That was awesome". The browns have a bunch of picks and money, they'll even pass us up soon. Not making the playoffs this year was just pathetic

Its ridiculous to judge a draft class after one year. You can't look at what a guy has done in his first year in the league, and assume that they are going to keep being able to do it (or not be able to doing it) for the rest of their careers. The name RG3 and Vince Young come to mind. Jay Ajayi and Landon Collins had terrible rookie seasons. And I mean absolutely terrible. This year they were 2 of the best players in their respective position groups.

Agree. Occasionally you may get a guy who is NFL ready right out of the gate, but it usually takes a year under their belt to jell with the tempo of playing pro ball.