[News] Late For Work 2/8: Examining WR Pierre Garcon As A Free-Agent Fit For Ravens

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[ellicottraven]

Pierre Garcon is too valuable for Cousins that they let him go especially after it is believed they'll tag Cousins again. As for Marshall, if we can get him, he'll make Flacco look like a really good QB and make our offense move the chains, but DV stuff? So, I doubt we can get either of these for different reasons.

[BiggMack91]

Pierre Garcon is too valuable for Cousins that they let him go especially after it is believed they'll tag Cousins again. As for Marshall, if we can get him, he'll make Flacco look like a really good QB and make our offense move the chains, but DV stuff? So, I doubt we can get either of these for different reasons.

Harbs and marshall actually have a good relationship an he was open to trading for him in the past but IF is a big word but IF Marshall hits free agency he's 80% likely to come here but ultimately it doesn't matter who we get its how they play on the field look at chris hogan at the beginning of the year no one knew who he was so hopefully we can find some hidden gems somewhere

[bioLarzen]

"Easiest Offseason Decision For Ravens? Picking Up Mosley’s Contract Option"
C'mon, that's not even a decision :D

[Ravensfansince03]

Garcon is a pure athlete, one of the most humble nfl players you'll ever meet, and would be a great fit in Baltimore with Flacco. I just hope that he's not too expensive.

[ellicottraven]

15 minutes ago, BiggMack91 said:

Harbs and marshall actually have a good relationship an he was open to trading for him in the past but IF is a big word but IF Marshall hits free agency he's 80% likely to come here but ultimately it doesn't matter who we get its how they play on the field look at chris hogan at the beginning of the year no one knew who he was so hopefully we can find some hidden gems somewhere

The question really is will Bisciotti allow it considering his DV past?

[steelcityraven]

I would rather have Alshon or Marshall then Garcon...obviously but dont get me wrong... I would love to have Garcon for sure.

I just think that Alshon was and BM can do a little more ... but I do agree that Garcon (while he don't become a number #1 WR here in BMORE... does compliment both Perriman and Wallace nicely)

I think with Alshon and BM we get a legit # 1 WR right now....
Not sure that I am really comfortable with Perriman as the # 1 yet or even Wallace for that matter

I think Wallace will flourish as the # 2... I really don't see Garcon as the #1

So.... I would rather see us bring in a legit # 1 and add to it from the draft. If that is not doable $$$$ then bring Garcon in and we would clearly need to re-sign Wallace at that point!

[mendii]

Honestly, is Pierre Garcon that significant of an upgrade from Kamar Aiken?

[robbie29]

Honestly, is Pierre Garcon that significant of an upgrade from Kamar Aiken?

I'd say definitely. He's more proven, didn't have nearly the dramatic dropoff in production that Kamar had last year, and Garcon is more sure-handed than Aiken (something the Ravens offense desperately needs). Garcon is a definite upgrade IMO.

[mendii]

Just saw on NFL.com that Sam Shields has been released. Here's hoping Ozzie has already picked up the phone.

[Space11jams]

Honestly, is Pierre Garcon that significant of an upgrade from Kamar Aiken?

YES

[Azzi22]

Honestly, is Pierre Garcon that significant of an upgrade from Kamar Aiken?

do bears Crap in the woods?

[jravens1313]

I can't believe Hensley cited "domestic violence" as a reason we wouldn't sign Marshall. When can we admit humans make mistakes? Marshall seems way past his immature days and is the guy we should target if released. Garcon is another viable option, but I also like Aiken who makes plays when given the opportunity.

We keep talking about getting more weapons for Flacco. Helping Flacco. What if Flacco isn't that good? Maybe we should be a run first team like the Cowboys. We have already over-invested in Flacco twice and now we want to cater the offseason to Flacco. That isn't a recipe for winning.

PS: My 2012 Flacco jersey will be donated to a fan this year.

[jravens1313]

PS: Why are Julian Edelman SB highlights on BR.com. SICKENING!

[Ravenous_Ravens]

This is one season I think the Ravens are best off to not go sign a vet FA WR. Those cap dollars are best spent retaining the players you already have that are set to hit FA. Also they need to let the young WRs prove themselves and that doesn't happen when they get limited snaps. If they do not put much stock in this idea it would be mostly their own issue from failure to draft and develop the WR position. Mike Wallace is a solid vet player and had a great season, even thought he slowed a bit towards the end. Too many WR's and not enough balls for everyone, even with the ridiculous amount of attempts from Flacco this past season.

WR's should be Wallace, Perriman, Moore primarily and force feed them the ball. They have plenty of TE's and do not need so many WR's as in the past, when the ball cannot be spread around enough to get good value. Keep a few bodies for injuries, etc but that is it.

Should see a lot of 2 WR, 2 TE, 1RB sets or slight variations (2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB). Baltimore is not the team to play spread offense regularly, maybe a few plays or series here and there based on situational. This would also help out the run game with the extra blockers and provide options with extra eligible receivers.(TE/FB). It might be a fairly simple formation, but it provides a lot of ability and flexibility to fool opponents with little wrinkles and misdirection.

[reed20]

Would rather grab Marshall.

[bigcatfrank1]

I don't think The Ravens should be in a big hurry to rush on a WR, There are quite a few who can help them this year. However they should bring in the right vet. For a good price, 5-8 mil is fair for their needs depending on the player.
The Ravens need a player who wants to play like a Raven, who isn't selfish and who sees the potential in this squad to win the big show. A player who sees that Brashad needs to shine and get one on one coverage, that Wallace needs to be slippery and break away, and clearly understands that the slot,curl, cut and reverse field are requirements not options. The number one job that this #2/3 "option" vet receiver can bring is to get open for Flacco. Keep working the field and be a playmaker. There are certain types of players out there who play that style of game, my suggestion is to find a Raven who can do it.

[Steve32]

I can't believe Hensley cited "domestic violence" as a reason we wouldn't sign Marshall. When can we admit humans make mistakes? Marshall seems way past his immature days and is the guy we should target if released. Garcon is another viable option, but I also like Aiken who makes plays when given the opportunity.

We keep talking about getting more weapons for Flacco. Helping Flacco. What if Flacco isn't that good? Maybe we should be a run first team like the Cowboys. We have already over-invested in Flacco twice and now we want to cater the offseason to Flacco. That isn't a recipe for winning.

PS: My 2012 Flacco jersey will be donated to a fan this year.

Apparently you did not watch the State of the Ravens press conference where Steve Biscotti said he would take chances on people who have a history of trouble, but that the Ravens would not touch someone involved in domestic abuse.

This stems from the Ray Rice mess and he vows to not go there again.

[rmcjacket23]

This is one season I think the Ravens are best off to not go sign a vet FA WR. Those cap dollars are best spent retaining the players you already have that are set to hit FA. Also they need to let the young WRs prove themselves and that doesn't happen when they get limited snaps. If they do not put much stock in this idea it would be mostly their own issue from failure to draft and develop the WR position. Mike Wallace is a solid vet player and had a great season, even thought he slowed a bit towards the end. Too many WR's and not enough balls for everyone, even with the ridiculous amount of attempts from Flacco this past season.

WR's should be Wallace, Perriman, Moore primarily and force feed them the ball. They have plenty of TE's and do not need so many WR's as in the past, when the ball cannot be spread around enough to get good value. Keep a few bodies for injuries, etc but that is it.

Should see a lot of 2 WR, 2 TE, 1RB sets or slight variations (2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB). Baltimore is not the team to play spread offense regularly, maybe a few plays or series here and there based on situational. This would also help out the run game with the extra blockers and provide options with extra eligible receivers.(TE/FB). It might be a fairly simple formation, but it provides a lot of ability and flexibility to fool opponents with little wrinkles and misdirection.

The problem with this is you don't have a reliable, possession receiver in that group that can get crucial conversions and 3rd downs when you need them. Most of those 3 guys provide the same skill sets as each other.

Need somebody who can work the middle of the field and be a go to player in crucial spots. I don't see any of those guys fitting that mold.

I think the FO made it clear that they are going to actively target that type of player.

[rmcjacket23]

Just saw on NFL.com that Sam Shields has been released. Here's hoping Ozzie has already picked up the phone.

.... if he ever gets medical clearance.

[The Beak]

I would still rather see Ravens make a run at T Pryor, Physically talented (still a little raw) big WR that could shine for several years

[The Greek]

37 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1 hour ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

This is one season I think the Ravens are best off to not go sign a vet FA WR. Those cap dollars are best spent retaining the players you already have that are set to hit FA. Also they need to let the young WRs prove themselves and that doesn't happen when they get limited snaps. If they do not put much stock in this idea it would be mostly their own issue from failure to draft and develop the WR position. Mike Wallace is a solid vet player and had a great season, even thought he slowed a bit towards the end. Too many WR's and not enough balls for everyone, even with the ridiculous amount of attempts from Flacco this past season.

WR's should be Wallace, Perriman, Moore primarily and force feed them the ball. They have plenty of TE's and do not need so many WR's as in the past, when the ball cannot be spread around enough to get good value. Keep a few bodies for injuries, etc but that is it.

Should see a lot of 2 WR, 2 TE, 1RB sets or slight variations (2 WR, 1 TE, 1 FB, 1 RB). Baltimore is not the team to play spread offense regularly, maybe a few plays or series here and there based on situational. This would also help out the run game with the extra blockers and provide options with extra eligible receivers.(TE/FB). It might be a fairly simple formation, but it provides a lot of ability and flexibility to fool opponents with little wrinkles and misdirection.

The problem with this is you don't have a reliable, possession receiver in that group that can get crucial conversions and 3rd downs when you need them. Most of those 3 guys provide the same skill sets as each other.

Need somebody who can work the middle of the field and be a go to player in crucial spots. I don't see any of those guys fitting that mold.

I think the FO made it clear that they are going to actively target that type of player.

maxx willams could be that guy especially if they work out of  2 te sets with pitta but i agree they should find a sure handed receiver because perrimans health will always be a ? imo. i like garcon but he will have several teams interested in his services.

Edited February 8 by The Greek

[mendii]

47 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

.... if he ever gets medical clearance.

[rmcjacket23]

27 minutes ago, The Greek said:

maxx willams could be that guy especially if they work out of  2 te sets with pitta but i agree they should find a sure handed receiver because perrimans health will always be a ? imo. i like garcon but he will have several teams interested in his services.

It would be unbelievably stupid for the FO to head into the season thinking that Pitta and Maxx Williams are going to solve their reliability issues. Just a gigantic gamble and one that could backfire in a big way.

I believe the FO when they said what they were looking for, and I expect them end up with somebody that does specifically what they said. For the most part, when the FO tells you what they're looking for, they usually do exactly what they say. It doesn't always mean that decision works out well, but they at least make an attempt at it.

Would be shocked if they say multiple times that they're looking for a chain mover at WR and then don't end up with anything close to that.

[FloridalovesRavens]

I can't believe Hensley cited "domestic violence" as a reason we wouldn't sign Marshall. When can we admit humans make mistakes? Marshall seems way past his immature days and is the guy we should target if released. Garcon is another viable option, but I also like Aiken who makes plays when given the opportunity.

We keep talking about getting more weapons for Flacco. Helping Flacco. What if Flacco isn't that good? Maybe we should be a run first team like the Cowboys. We have already over-invested in Flacco twice and now we want to cater the offseason to Flacco. That isn't a recipe for winning.

PS: My 2012 Flacco jersey will be donated to a fan this year.

If it weren't for Flacco there would not be a SB win! You need to donate his jersey because you obviously don't cherish it.

[nevermorebmore]

I would still rather see Ravens make a run at T Pryor, Physically talented (still a little raw) big WR that could shine for several years

Agreed with the caveat that the price is right. It'd be nice to see the Ravens claim another team's young, high-ceiling, play maker, free agent. I feel like the Ravens are always on the other end of that equation, watching our young talent get priced out of Baltimore, while we sit on dead money from a handful of players that haven't panned out. (I don't want to discredit the generally great vets that we acquire later in their careers, just noting how we're never in the conversation for young free agents).

[Halshayeji]

4 hours ago, mendii said:

Just saw on NFL.com that Sam Shields has been released. Here's hoping Ozzie has already picked up the phone.

Sam shields was a great CB but concussions have taken a toll on him and he may never play football again because of it. Even if he is cleared medically to play  and the Ravens sign him then we'd be holding our breath every time he's in a collision coz that would be Concussion #5

lets hold our guns on CB for now because this FA class is flooded with talented CBs and we should weigh our options first.

this draft class is also extreemly CB happy. There's a great chance a top 10 talented CB falls to us similarly to when Mosley fell.

either or..... I'm good if Ozzie goes one way or another but I'd be extreemly dissapointed if we just settle for a 4th round CB and a vet minimum FA. We lucked out with young but let's not count on that happening again in consecutive years.

[jsarrocohome@yahoo.com]

Garcon is not worth that much I would pass

[Ravens8383]

I don't think Garcon even wants to leave the Redskins. Throwing a a couple mil his way could change things but I would LOVE to see the Ravens be able to draft a WR and turn him into a stud. The jurry is still out on Perriman. We know he is soild and can make plays but it would be nice to see him become a number one or solid number two WR this year.

[JamesA119]

  6 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

I can't believe Hensley cited "domestic violence" as a reason we wouldn't sign Marshall. When can we admit humans make mistakes? Marshall seems way past his immature days and is the guy we should target if released. Garcon is another viable option, but I also like Aiken who makes plays when given the opportunity.

We keep talking about getting more weapons for Flacco. Helping Flacco. What if Flacco isn't that good? Maybe we should be a run first team like the Cowboys. We have already over-invested in Flacco twice and now we want to cater the offseason to Flacco. That isn't a recipe for winning.

PS: My 2012 Flacco jersey will be donated to a fan this year.

If it weren't for Flacco there would not be a SB win! You need to donate his jersey because you obviously don't cherish it.

I disagree. We would have still won without Flacco. The fact really is that without pro bowl players around him, Flacco can't even get to the playoffs let alone Super Bowl .