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[billiejean]

  20 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

  22 hours ago, sami said:

  22 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

  On 2/7/2017 at 1:58 PM, whobilly said:

Translated. Correa was a second round bust.

There has been too many second round busts. Max Williams, Correa, Arthur Brown. Not to say Williams and Correa don't have potential but very concerning they have seen barely any playing time, luckily we do pretty well in the mid rounds and un drafted. It would be nice to see our fist two picks in the secondary and the two third round picks go towards our O Line. We always do well with line backers and D line men, so I am not too concerned, but the secondary and O line has been trash for years. I really hope Correa steps up next year, and for Williams I am just not sure if I see him beating out Watson/Pitta (one will be cut) or Crockett if healthy, there is also a reason we still have Boyle, I thought he looked really good his first year. This team still has a ton of holes, which won't be filled in one year unfortunately. Feels like we are in the same position as last year unfortunately, except with more cap room.

Maxx Willaims was hardly a second round bust. He broke most of the rookie records for tight ends and weve had some good tight ends. How can you say our O-line has been trash?  We have drafted some excellent talent like Stanley and Alex Lewis this year and Rick Wagner not so long ago.

 

Maybe so, but Zutta has proven to be a weakness, and Alex lewis is hardly a run mauler like a lot of good tackles. We did seem to get hits in Lewis and Stanely which are great, but when those guys are injured we have serious problems, we lack depth big time. Jenson and Urschel must not be as good as we thought? Ducasse played in front of both of them right?

Uschel is more of a left guard. Jensen is not that great.

When Jensen has played he has played better and has been graded higher than Urschel. He is stronger than John and better at the point of attack. He was a healthy scratch last year for a lot of games because Urschel can play at any of the interior OL positions. With all that said Jensen performing a bit better than Urschel doesn't mean that we should count on him as a starter. If either of these guys is named the starter going into the season we are going to be in big trouble.

[billiejean]

  18 hours ago, hen826957 said:

  23 hours ago, Azzi22 said:

hard nose plays like a raven.. we need more players like this... we need an IDENTITY ON D.. not sure why we let UPSHAW GO.. strongest and meaning Mother Tucker on our team... we need this guy... BRING BACK POWER , BIG HITTERS.. ...

I wanted Ozzie to resign Upshaw in the first place when he was a free agent but instead they want a draft pick SMH. The worst part was that he was not expensive to resign. We could've sign him a 2 or 3 year deal. l kept saying that we should've kept Upshaw because he was he was a very underrated player that is good against the run and ok at passrushing. Upshaw is physical.

my words exactly... we need Upshaw type players on our D.. we have no one to fear.. no big hitters..

When did Upshaw make a big hit outside of his rookie season, besides the time that he was spying on Ben, and blew him up when he tried to scramble out of the pocket. His mobility and speed decreased as his weight increased every year that he was on our team. I thought for sure he would try to get his weight down a little bit in his contract year, to get some of that speed back that he had in his rookie year. That season he had a great chance to prove that he could rush the passer because of Mcphees departure. But it was the same old song and dance my friend.

[billiejean]

  8 hours ago, robbie29 said:

  12 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I looked over the complete second round history of this franchise and it is I'd say roughly 50/50 whether we get a gem or a bust and that doesn't refer to recent history. It has been that way for the entire length of this franchise.

I think the issue is that the more recent moves are obviously the more easily remembered ones and the busts sometimes overshadow the ones that turn into full time starters.

Just within the last few seasons we've seen these results:

2010: The Kindle/Cody fiasco, but then we bounce back in 2011 and 2012 with Torrey Smith and Kelechi Osemele...two BIG pieces to our second superbowl. Then in 2013 you have the Arthur Brown bust, but then in 2014 we get Timmy Jernigan who kind of dazzles you at time with flashes of brilliance and then blows it with stupid plays/lack of production. We also got Maxx Williams in 2015 who showed when healthy he might be a player, followed by KC in 2016 who so far is not showing up well.

I found myself thinking, "Hmm, maybe the Ravens would be better off just trading the 2nd round pick to trade up or get more picks later in the draft..." but then reversing myself when I see names like Ray Rice, Torrey Smith, and Kelechi Osemele.

"when healthy"...that's been the tragic prefix/suffix to most Ravens players in recent years. I say tragic because, more often than not, the guys who are great "WHEN HEALTHY" often miss significant playing time due to injury. Last year was particularly brutal- we lost all our top 3 TEs, plus our 2nd & 3rd picks, and a 4th round pick. Heck, even Stanley missed a quarter of the season. It's one thing if the older guys go down, bc you have younger guys who can step up. But when your young guys go down and you have to start your 2nd and 3rd string players, you end up with an 8-8 or a 5-11 record. Kinda hard to re-build and do well when you can't keep your draft picks on the field.

I agree with everything you all are saying, but i pose this question. Why are we suffering so many setbacks and why is it for the last 3 years, we can not keep players on the field. Injury is part of the game, but it seems like "our conditioning" or something isn't right. Idk, it just seems odd, and that can't keep being our excuse year in and year out.

There may be something to it and there may not be. To get to the bottom of it you would have to compare injuries suffered by the Ravens to other teams.

[billiejean]

  On 2/7/2017 at 3:15 PM, Azzi22 said:

hard nose plays like a raven.. we need more players like this... we need an IDENTITY ON D.. not sure why we let UPSHAW GO.. strongest and meaning Mother Tucker on our team... we need this guy... BRING BACK POWER , BIG HITTERS.. ...

I wanted Ozzie to resign Upshaw in the first place when he was a free agent but instead they want a draft pick SMH. The worst part was that he was not expensive to resign. We could've sign him a 2 or 3 year deal. l kept saying that we should've kept Upshaw because he was he was a very underrated player that is good against the run and ok at passrushing. Upshaw is physical.

6 sacks in 5 years = worse than okay at pass rushing. There are times when sacks dont tell the whole story, but that is not the case with Upshaw. Each year he was with us he got slower. There were two years in a row where he failed the conditioning test. And in all of three years after his rookie season he came in heavy. He will be available though. He signed a 1 year show me deal with Atlanta. And he didn't show much. He only played 30 percent of the defensive snaps and would have played a lot less if their starting DT Shelby didn't tear his Achilles in week 6. For the 6 games that Shelby played, Upshaw was a healthy scratch for three of them.

[Halshayeji]

On February 8, 2017 at 8:30 AM, TheConquerorWorm said:

In 13 games, he had a total of 24 tackles & 1 sack. Jerraud Powers had 33 tackles & 1 sack. I'd rather have the 3rd Round comp pick this year....

I doubt we get a 3rd round comp for him. Even a 4th is unlikely. But yes getting anything in return is better than nothing.

 

But to be fair, comparing the tackles of a CB and a rotational edge setter proves nothing at all lol

[Cawtious]

On 2/8/2017 at 1:19 PM, billiejean said:

When Jensen has played he has played better and has been graded higher than Urschel. He is stronger than John and better at the point of attack. He was a healthy scratch last year for a lot of games because Urschel can play at any of the interior OL positions. With all that said Jensen performing a bit better than Urschel doesn't mean that we should count on him as a starter. If either of these guys is named the starter going into the season we are going to be in big trouble.

Disagree.  Jensen can, and has played in all of the interior positions and also had a game at Tackle during pre-season .  The Ravens will tender him, but I think he's been underestimated by most and may sign elsewhere.  Think Jah Reid.  KC paid big money for him even after he was cut and placed on waivers.

 

Other teams recognize that our lineman are capable.  The fans don't seem to think it very often.  

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, Cawtious said:

Disagree.  Jensen can, and has played in all of the interior positions and also had a game at Tackle during pre-season .  The Ravens will tender him, but I think he's been underestimated by most and may sign elsewhere.  Think Jah Reid.  KC paid big money for him even after he was cut and placed on waivers.

 

Other teams recognize that our lineman are capable.  The fans don't seem to think it very often.  

I wouldn't call Jah Reid capable.  He started some games his first season there because of injuries and didn't play all that well.  This past year he didn't get in much but when he was in he played terribly.  When a team is willing to throw out money for a guy, it doesn't automatically make him "capable"

This is a quote from PFF preseason primer for the Chiefs before last spring...."with backup option Jah Reid performing even worse playing tackle last season — his 92.9 pass blocking efficiency was 13th-worst among qualifying players.'

And this is from January "Jah Reid is the backup swing tackle. Unfortunately, the team is not in a very good position with him. After playing well against Houston in 2015, Reid took a back seat and a huge step backward in 2016. With reduced to playing time, his play quality diminished as well. His poor play was highlighted at the end of the season when he was on the field as a sixth offensive lineman."

Even as a 6th lineman he has played terribly.... This is after their playoff loss t the Steelers.  "Backup lineman Jah Reid entered the game for one play where his man used a simple speed rush around the edge to halt Smith’s throwing motion, resulting in an interception.

Its the same story with Oher.

All of that said, I think you are selling Jensen short by comparing him to Reid.  I think he is better than Reid ever was.  If we bring guys in and Jensen beats them out that would be awesome.  The only problem with him is consistancy.  One week he would have the best pff grade on our offence and then the next he would have the worst.  That isn't hyperbole either that really happened in 2015 a few times.  But to be fair, it is hard to be consistent if you are not consistently in the game as a starter.  In that 2015 season he really did show promise after he got into the swing of things.  I wasn't necessarily implying that Jensen couldnt play center.  It was an assumption on my part that he wasn't working at C much this season, based on the fact that he was a healthy scratch for 8 games this year while Urschel (who  plays both C and G) was activated.  Killing two birds with one stone type of things.  But I was probably being a bit too presumptuous.  There could be another reason.  Why do you think he was inactive for so many games?

[Cawtious]

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 9:58 AM, billiejean said:

 

All of that said, I think you are selling Jensen short by comparing him to Reid.  I think he is better than Reid ever was.  If we bring guys in and Jensen beats them out that would be awesome.  The only problem with him is consistancy.  One week he would have the best pff grade on our offence and then the next he would have the worst.  That isn't hyperbole either that really happened in 2015 a few times.  But to be fair, it is hard to be consistent if you are not consistently in the game as a starter.  In that 2015 season he really did show promise after he got into the swing of things.  I wasn't necessarily implying that Jensen couldnt play center.  It was an assumption on my part that he wasn't working at C much this season, based on the fact that he was a healthy scratch for 8 games this year while Urschel (who  plays both C and G) was activated.  Killing two birds with one stone type of things.  But I was probably being a bit too presumptuous.  There could be another reason.  Why do you think he was inactive for so many games?

Oh, I'd be the last person to sell him short.  His situation is similar as Reid's.  He could very well be pulled away and hit a big payday.  Reid did struggle.....no doubt. 

As for PFF, I tend to trust FilmStudy's analysis over theirs. 

I think you hit in on the head on Jensen's "consistency" problems.  I also think they stem from bouncing him all over the line.  He was a co-captain during the Raiders game and then he's benched the rest of the season.  I didn't see anything remotely close to warranting that action.  I think there is more than meets the eye.  He didn't have any reported off the field issues, nor any on the field issues.  He didn't have an inordinate amount of penalties.  Ducasse played well towards the end of that stretch, but I didn't see him outplay Jensen on the field IMHO.  Perhaps it came down to playing the guys they are paying higher salaries and using them up.  Perhaps they wanted Jensen to roll into 2017 in great health to make a run at supplanting Zuttah.  It's hard to know.  Same with Urschel.......

To me, it was perplexing to see both Jensen and Urschel sit out, but I surely don't know the situation full enough to understand if there were problems with either of them.  I know I'll get the meritocracy argument, but I think players getting paid to play......play.  Guys with lesser financial draw sit more often all things be equal with their level of play.

Jensen rolls into next year healthy and with 4 seasons under his belt.   I think even with an original round tender, the Ravens are going to get pushed by someone to pony up a contract for him or he's gone.  I don't see his wire being quiet.  Urschel will be back for his final year of his rookie contract.  I think he's one more concussion from calling it a career.  Guy is probably losing money playing football with a mind like his. 

Its going to be an interesting March......

[billiejean]

3 hours ago, Cawtious said:

Oh, I'd be the last person to sell him short.  His situation is similar as Reid's.  He could very well be pulled away and hit a big payday.  Reid did struggle.....no doubt. 

As for PFF, I tend to trust FilmStudy's analysis over theirs. 

I think you hit in on the head on Jensen's "consistency" problems.  I also think they stem from bouncing him all over the line.  He was a co-captain during the Raiders game and then he's benched the rest of the season.  I didn't see anything remotely close to warranting that action.  I think there is more than meets the eye.  He didn't have any reported off the field issues, nor any on the field issues.  He didn't have an inordinate amount of penalties.  Ducasse played well towards the end of that stretch, but I didn't see him outplay Jensen on the field IMHO.  Perhaps it came down to playing the guys they are paying higher salaries and using them up.  Perhaps they wanted Jensen to roll into 2017 in great health to make a run at supplanting Zuttah.  It's hard to know.  Same with Urschel.......

To me, it was perplexing to see both Jensen and Urschel sit out, but I surely don't know the situation full enough to understand if there were problems with either of them.  I know I'll get the meritocracy argument, but I think players getting paid to play......play.  Guys with lesser financial draw sit more often all things be equal with their level of play.

Jensen rolls into next year healthy and with 4 seasons under his belt.   I think even with an original round tender, the Ravens are going to get pushed by someone to pony up a contract for him or he's gone.  I don't see his wire being quiet.  Urschel will be back for his final year of his rookie contract.  I think he's one more concussion from calling it a career.  Guy is probably losing money playing football with a mind like his. 

Its going to be an interesting March......

Yea, I had actually never heard of film study.  I am not sure if this is the right site or not but when I googled film study the site NFL breakdowns comes up.  There is some interesting stuff on there.  Or is the film study you are talking about on the Russel street report?  Either way both interesting but they do something totally different that PFF.  Instead of analyzing every single play they only analyze a handful of plays per game and from what I have seen there is no grading system (could be at the wrong site though).  PFF has its flaws but its a comprehensive analysis that takes into account every single play that a player has had in that year.  There is a grade given for every single play regardless of a players role in that particular play.  For example if Dixon is in the game but he doesn't get the ball, he is still given a grade based on his blocking, route running, or anything else that he was supposed to do on that play.  There is a link below that shows exactly what they do.  But I think the Film Study sites also provide useful analysis, just in a different way.  I think all we can hope for March is that there is plenty of good young competition at the interior OL positions and RT if Rick leaves.  If he does leave, which is more than likely, I am holding out hope that A Lewis will be able to adequately replace him but we wont know until he gets out there.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

[Cawtious]

45 minutes ago, billiejean said:

Yea, I had actually never heard of film study.  I am not sure if this is the right site or not but when I googled film study the site NFL breakdowns comes up.  There is some interesting stuff on there.  Or is the film study you are talking about on the Russel street report?  Either way both interesting but they do something totally different that PFF.  Instead of analyzing every single play they only analyze a handful of plays per game and from what I have seen there is no grading system (could be at the wrong site though).  PFF has its flaws but its a comprehensive analysis that takes into account every single play that a player has had in that year.  There is a grade given for every single play regardless of a players role in that particular play.  For example if Dixon is in the game but he doesn't get the ball, he is still given a grade based on his blocking, route running, or anything else that he was supposed to do on that play.  There is a link below that shows exactly what they do.  But I think the Film Study sites also provide useful analysis, just in a different way.  I think all we can hope for March is that there is plenty of good young competition at the interior OL positions and RT if Rick leaves.  If he does leave, which is more than likely, I am holding out hope that A Lewis will be able to adequately replace him but we wont know until he gets out there.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

FilmStudy is the handle of Ken McKusick here on this board.  He has the most comprehensive analysis that I've looked at.  He analyzes each play, not just a percentage of them.

 

Alex is going to be very good.  He gets his strength up and more experience, he's going to do very well.  He has the pedigree and the potential to be an excellent player.  I doubt we retain Rick Wagner.  I'd like it if we did.