[News] Late For Work 2/7: Super Bowl LII Odds Are In. Where Do Ravens Stand?

[fluffy201]

The Ravens are built like the pats the only difference is one QB plays with alot of fire and one doesn't! It is what it is!

lol

[Bruce_Almty]

Until proven otherwise, Ravens look about right for next year ... 8-8 again.

[GMAC]

People saw when Joe Flacco tried to get off a pass before Troy Polomalu stripped him costing us a Super Bowl and that very very very bad pass against the pats costing us another Super Bowl is why people don't have faith in him or us! Should have 4 Super Bowls to this date and we wouldn't be so looked down upon! Smh

How about the perfect pass that Evans dropped in the end zone against Patriots? Give Joe some credit. He always plays well in post season. Regular season is another matter.

[Bohica5]

Its Unbelievable that Kubiak or Chip Kelly is not our OC already!!!!....front office doesn't wanna win................

[sizzlingdoom]

Not beating a dead horse, but it will be difficult making big improvements with this coaching staff, Romans may help a little, but if we stick with Morning wigs stupid play calls, and Pees chicken attitude, we are just running in place. The way to improve Joe is to build a quality run game , but we have a major hole (see J Zuttah) Would love to see B Marshall or T Pryor to give The WR position some toughness... Draft Day we need CB CB CB ..

I agree with all that 100%

[sizzlingdoom]

Expecting different outcomes doing the same thing with the same people is kind of foolish. We need to get playmakers on offense. We need to be a run first team for us to be remotely successful. Flacco isn't going to pass his way into the playoffs. Flacco needs incredibly rock solid protection for however long it takes him to throw the ball to wide open receivers. So draft either a stud RB like Fournette, WR like Williams or even the best O-lineman in the draft in the first round. There's plenty of depth available for pass rushers and CBs in this particular draft. So focus on playmakers on offense so there is not so much pressure on Flacco to win games by himself.

I agree with a lot of this. The only thing is we don't need depth for cb. We need a true #1. At the very least a 1b. That way he can step in for Jimmy if he can't stay on the field, and if he does stay on, we're loaded at cb all the sudden. Fournette being a Raven would be beyond wonderful though. If we signed Trumaine Johnson, BMarsh, and got Fournette, I would like our chances of meeting the Pats in the playoffs. Pierce can replace Bwill for the most part, Lewis can try and replace Wagner, and there are plenty of people to cut to make the other signings. The only thing is we might have to move up to 4 to get Fournette. Not sure if it'd be worth it. It might though. Fournette would not only give us homerun ability on the ground, but the play action would be deadly too! Interesting to think about. He seems like a cold weather back too

[EdTheMythicalOne]

14 hours ago, eze17 said:

T.O. is lying...if the HOF meant nothing to him, he wouldn't even bother responding. Maybe you should have accepted that trade to B-More and things may have worked out different. You'll get in eventually, but glad their making you wait.

He is demonstrating with his backlash comments to the voting committee and about the process why he's not already in. When he was in SF he trashed Jeff Garcia and destroyed that team. When he was in Philly he trashed McNabb and essentially blamed him for not winning the Super Bowl. I personally think TO is the genesis for all of these other diva receivers who celebrate their touchdowns like they are the most amazing thing in the universe. Totally makes it all about them. Meanwhile the only reason why you scored is because your linemen blocked, your QB saw you and fired off a great pass, and some coaches put a game plan together to get you open. Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him by his invented name...and therein lies his personality) was in the same mold and now you have Beckham with his antics.

It seems as if TO hasn't leaned his lesson yet. He's made some comments that will be tough to walk back, but something like that from him will be needed before the Hall considers putting him in. He needs to come out and make a sincere apology because he's throwing all of the voters under the bus and can't seem to realize the reason why he's not in is because of HIM and not others. Like his former QB's, he's completely belittled and disrespected the very people that hold the keys to his enshrinement. Talk about stupid.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

13 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think everybody said this after last season, when he actually got playing time and looked mildly competent.

He didn't get any starting jobs then, so what has changed in the last year that makes people think he will now?

Keep in mind also that there's some significantly better QBs that could be available this offseason than last offseason, namely your Romo's, Cutler's, Glennon's, Garoppolo's, etc.

At best, he gets a team to bring him in to compete for a job. My guess is he sticks on a team as a strict backup, very possibly in Baltimore.

The Ravens got Mallet because he was released due to his mental flare ups and being a petulant jerk by missing team meetings and flights because he was angry about being benched. He needed a "make good" contract because nobody was going to trust their franchise to somebody that displays that level of maturity. He got exactly what he needed here in Baltimore. A full season of no ill reports and he displayed the ability to play on the field when he got them. He's earned some invites to teams that are desperately seeking arm options. The Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets are both legit possibilities in my mind since RGIII is no lock to stay and can't stay on the field and Geno Smith isn't setting the world on fire and Patrick Fitzryan finally reverted back to his unimpressive self.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

Its Unbelievable that Kubiak or Chip Kelly is not our OC already!!!!....front office doesn't wanna win................

Gary Kubiak retired from the NFL due to stress and health reasons. He's not going to coach in the NFL any time soon. Maybe again in a few years after some rest and time away from the game, but I think we've seen the last of Gary in a coaching role in the NFL. Perhaps he can become a consultant front office type at some point. Chip Kelly has been a disaster of a HC and I don't think his offense works in the NFL anyway.

I agree with you to some degree that the Ravens should have moved on from Marty, but the thought seems to be he was trying to run Trestman's offense to make it easier on the players and not having them trying to learn a new system in the middle of a season. That next season we're going to see his style of offense and it will be different. I guess it remains to be seen. If we see more of the same blunder headed play calling I am certain there will be a strong backlash from the fans and on this board. I will be leading the charge unless somebody beats me to it.

[sizzlingdoom]

  4 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

Its Unbelievable that Kubiak or Chip Kelly is not our OC already!!!!....front office doesn't wanna win................

Gary Kubiak retired from the NFL due to stress and health reasons. He's not going to coach in the NFL any time soon. Maybe again in a few years after some rest and time away from the game, but I think we've seen the last of Gary in a coaching role in the NFL. Perhaps he can become a consultant front office type at some point. Chip Kelly has been a disaster of a HC and I don't think his offense works in the NFL anyway.

I agree with you to some degree that the Ravens should have moved on from Marty, but the thought seems to be he was trying to run Trestman's offense to make it easier on the players and not having them trying to learn a new system in the middle of a season. That next season we're going to see his style of offense and it will be different. I guess it remains to be seen. If we see more of the same blunder headed play calling I am certain there will be a strong backlash from the fans and on this board. I will be leading the charge unless somebody beats me to it.

IMO Shanahan has been the best offensive mind and QB guru for the past 5 years+ in the league. He just took a job with THE worst team in the league. I live in Ca, the Browns are better than the 9ers and have more building blocks. Shanahan coming to the Ravens this offseason would've been the very best thing for Flacco imo. As the coach or OC. Bummer. Big time bummer

[Moderator 3]

5 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

IMO Shanahan has been the best offensive mind and QB guru for the past 5 years+ in the league. He just took a job with THE worst team in the league. I live in Ca, the Browns are better than the 9ers and have more building blocks. Shanahan coming to the Ravens this offseason would've been the very best thing for Flacco imo. As the coach or OC. Bummer. Big time bummer

And now he would be gone and we'd be starting over AGAIN. 

[An_Unkindness_Flock]

Until proven otherwise, Ravens look about right for next year ... 8-8 again.

In 2017 Ravens play 4 teams with losing records. The rest are equal too or have a better record and to top it off the ones with the most wins are on the road. John & Crew really have their backs against the wall this coming year. Ozzie's picks past and present will decide.

[sizzlingdoom]

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

IMO Shanahan has been the best offensive mind and QB guru for the past 5 years+ in the league. He just took a job with THE worst team in the league. I live in Ca, the Browns are better than the 9ers and have more building blocks. Shanahan coming to the Ravens this offseason would've been the very best thing for Flacco imo. As the coach or OC. Bummer. Big time bummer

And now he would be gone and we'd be starting over AGAIN. 

What? I'm meant I wish Kyle Shanahan took over as head coach this year, on a 5 year contract or something. But Harbaugh gets another year

[DoubleP]

Its Unbelievable that Kubiak or Chip Kelly is not our OC already!!!!....front office doesn't wanna win................

Chip Kelly running the spread scheme with Joe Flacco... No thank you!

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

The Ravens got Mallet because he was released due to his mental flare ups and being a petulant jerk by missing team meetings and flights because he was angry about being benched. He needed a "make good" contract because nobody was going to trust their franchise to somebody that displays that level of maturity. He got exactly what he needed here in Baltimore. A full season of no ill reports and he displayed the ability to play on the field when he got them. He's earned some invites to teams that are desperately seeking arm options. The Cleveland Browns and the New York Jets are both legit possibilities in my mind since RGIII is no lock to stay and can't stay on the field and Geno Smith isn't setting the world on fire and Patrick Fitzryan finally reverted back to his unimpressive self.

1. The Cleveland Browns aren't likely to be interested at all. They have the #1 overall pick, another top 15 pick, and a gigantic amount of cap space. If they want to address the position for 2017, they can set their sites far, far, far, far, far higher. Pretty much every QB from draft picks to FAs to trades is at their disposal, because they have the ammo and money to get literally anybody. 

2. The Jets already have two QBs on the roster who are young, cheap, and have displayed very little on film to be confident about. I doubt they're looking to add a third.

Given that Mallett was dangerously close to losing the backup job to a journeyman like Josh Johnson in the preseason, I highly doubt his market will be flattering. At best, he will get consideration for backup jobs on teams, this one included.

If teams were legitimately interested in him as a potential starter, surely they would have come calling after the 2015 season (when he actually played). For literally any draft pick possible, we would have shipped him away. A 7th rounder and a cooler full of beer would have had us jumping for joy.

Again, don't see what has changed from 2016 to 2017 that makes people think that Mallett all of the sudden is going to get interest, considering he didn't play in 2017.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The Cleveland Browns aren't likely to be interested at all. They have the #1 overall pick, another top 15 pick, and a gigantic amount of cap space. If they want to address the position for 2017, they can set their sites far, far, far, far, far higher. Pretty much every QB from draft picks to FAs to trades is at their disposal, because they have the ammo and money to get literally anybody. 

2. The Jets already have two QBs on the roster who are young, cheap, and have displayed very little on film to be confident about. I doubt they're looking to add a third.

Given that Mallett was dangerously close to losing the backup job to a journeyman like Josh Johnson in the preseason, I highly doubt his market will be flattering. At best, he will get consideration for backup jobs on teams, this one included.

If teams were legitimately interested in him as a potential starter, surely they would have come calling after the 2015 season (when he actually played). For literally any draft pick possible, we would have shipped him away. A 7th rounder and a cooler full of beer would have had us jumping for joy.

Again, don't see what has changed from 2016 to 2017 that makes people think that Mallett all of the sudden is going to get interest, considering he didn't play in 2017.

For the same reason Matt Schaub might be getting a look. There are more teams out there than good QB's so any team that is desperate for arms would be interested in him. I am not saying he's got people salavating, but once teams take stock of what they've got and then realize who is out there on the market, Mallet will probably be one of the better ones out there that shouldn't cost a fortune to sign.

The Browns are supposedly looking to bring in Jimmy Garapolo from New England. The QB draft class is supposed to not really be all that great...and the list of those FA QB's isn't exactly littered with amazing talent. Why not list all the ones available right now? All things are indicating that Kaperkneel will be out of SF and I think he'd probably be one of the top names available. That's saying something.

I don't think the Jets are too confident about what they have in house and one thing Mallet always has had is a strong arm. I just think the talent base you have to start with is better than what most guys have, it is just getting in his head and keeping him focused. He's shown that he can win in this league which is more than what some other Qb's can claim.

[VermontRaven]

25 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The Cleveland Browns aren't likely to be interested at all. They have the #1 overall pick, another top 15 pick, and a gigantic amount of cap space. If they want to address the position for 2017, they can set their sites far, far, far, far, far higher. Pretty much every QB from draft picks to FAs to trades is at their disposal, because they have the ammo and money to get literally anybody. 

2. The Jets already have two QBs on the roster who are young, cheap, and have displayed very little on film to be confident about. I doubt they're looking to add a third.

Given that Mallett was dangerously close to losing the backup job to a journeyman like Josh Johnson in the preseason, I highly doubt his market will be flattering. At best, he will get consideration for backup jobs on teams, this one included.

If teams were legitimately interested in him as a potential starter, surely they would have come calling after the 2015 season (when he actually played). For literally any draft pick possible, we would have shipped him away. A 7th rounder and a cooler full of beer would have had us jumping for joy.

Again, don't see what has changed from 2016 to 2017 that makes people think that Mallett all of the sudden is going to get interest, considering he didn't play in 2017.

I don't think anyone will give him a starting job, but I think he might have opportunities to where he would be much more likely to earn it than in Baltimore.  For example, what about the Texans?  They showed they were willing to bench Osweiler...maybe he goes there as a backup (they couldn't afford to pay him much more with Brock's contract), but it is much more likely he'd get a shot at playing when and if Osweiler struggles again.  With that defense, he wouldn't have to be great to make the team competitive. 

[rmcjacket23]

33 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

For the same reason Matt Schaub might be getting a look. There are more teams out there than good QB's so any team that is desperate for arms would be interested in him. I am not saying he's got people salavating, but once teams take stock of what they've got and then realize who is out there on the market, Mallet will probably be one of the better ones out there that shouldn't cost a fortune to sign.

The Browns are supposedly looking to bring in Jimmy Garapolo from New England. The QB draft class is supposed to not really be all that great...and the list of those FA QB's isn't exactly littered with amazing talent. Why not list all the ones available right now? All things are indicating that Kaperkneel will be out of SF and I think he'd probably be one of the top names available. That's saying something.

I don't think the Jets are too confident about what they have in house and one thing Mallet always has had is a strong arm. I just think the talent base you have to start with is better than what most guys have, it is just getting in his head and keeping him focused. He's shown that he can win in this league which is more than what some other Qb's can claim.

1. By all accounts, Schaub following Shanahan to SF, while obviously pure speculation, would happen as a backup QB. Haven't heard anything even remotely referencing him as a starting QB with that team.

2. Compared to most years of FA QBs (which is usually non existent), this years class is actually quite strong. Cutler is likely to be a FA, entirely possible Romo becomes available in some form or fashion, and you already mentioned Garappolo and Kaepernick, who are also likely to be available. A guy like Mike Glennon has some analysts thinking he will be a player teams target as well. He's basically in the same boat as Mallett, with far less baggage and better on-field production.

So realistically, there's 2-3 QBs that could easily hit the open market that have at least a proven track record of winning games and being productive, albeit with major inconsistencies and other risks. And then add in Glennon and Garappolo, and a draft class that isn't flush with quality QBs, but neither was last years class and the top two picks were QBs.

Keep in mind that the perceived "quality" of the draft class of QBs hasn't really shown to mean much. 2013 was the last time only one QB was drafted in the 1st round, and that was an epic-ally bad class. 2016 was viewed as a similar class, and 3 QBs went in the 1st round.

You can pretty much already bank on 2-3 first round QBs being selected, meaning they're highly likely to be starting their rookie year.

So from where I'm sitting, I see potentially 4-5 viable FA/trade QBs available and 2-3 first round QBs being selected. That's going to eat into most, if not all, of the teams looking for QBs.

Fully expect Mallett to get a backup job, but not expecting to see him start unless injuries happen. 

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

I don't think anyone will give him a starting job, but I think he might have opportunities to where he would be much more likely to earn it than in Baltimore.  For example, what about the Texans?  They showed they were willing to bench Osweiler...maybe he goes there as a backup (they couldn't afford to pay him much more with Brock's contract), but it is much more likely he'd get a shot at playing when and if Osweiler struggles again.  With that defense, he wouldn't have to be great to make the team competitive. 

So the team that thought he wasn't good enough to lead a team that already had a great defense is going to take him back to replace a QB who's shown more productivity on the field than he has?

No idea why they would consider that, or why they just wouldn't start Tom Savage if they think Brock sucks (which he does). The Texans above all else know what Mallett is and what he isn't.

[#Nevermore]

  On ‎2‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 10:50 AM, eze17 said:

T.O. is lying...if the HOF meant nothing to him, he wouldn't even bother responding. Maybe you should have accepted that trade to B-More and things may have worked out different. You'll get in eventually, but glad their making you wait.

He is demonstrating with his backlash comments to the voting committee and about the process why he's not already in. When he was in SF he trashed Jeff Garcia and destroyed that team. When he was in Philly he trashed McNabb and essentially blamed him for not winning the Super Bowl. I personally think TO is the genesis for all of these other diva receivers who celebrate their touchdowns like they are the most amazing thing in the universe. Totally makes it all about them. Meanwhile the only reason why you scored is because your linemen blocked, your QB saw you and fired off a great pass, and some coaches put a game plan together to get you open. Chad Johnson (I refuse to call him by his invented name...and therein lies his personality) was in the same mold and now you have Beckham with his antics.

It seems as if TO hasn't leaned his lesson yet. He's made some comments that will be tough to walk back, but something like that from him will be needed before the Hall considers putting him in. He needs to come out and make a sincere apology because he's throwing all of the voters under the bus and can't seem to realize the reason why he's not in is because of HIM and not others. Like his former QB's, he's completely belittled and disrespected the very people that hold the keys to his enshrinement. Talk about stupid.

TO is who he is. He's not going to take any comments back. Based on his numbers, he's a HOFer. I can understand that the committee makes him wait a year or two because of his attitude and the fact that he played for multiple teams. But there is no reason he should wait beyond that. Everyone's personality is not the same. I don't think he should apologize for being himself. It does the game of football a disservice if one of the best players at a particular position doesn't get the acknowledgement he deserves because he wasn't quiet.

I like the touchdown celebrations. Guys work hard to get into the endzone and they deserve to celebrate. The lineman and quarterbacks can celebrate and should be allowed to celebrate. It's a team accomplishment, but the NFL doesn't allow group celebrations which is a shame. I think everyone should celebrate when they score. It's a part of fun in all sports.