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2017 Forum Mock: Discussion Thread

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41 minutes ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

I am floating about but not picking until the end of this round.

Big board has now run out, believe it is @ludy51 otc

I already picked

Nevermind, I'm stupid

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Just now, ludy51 said:

I already picked

Not with your 5th (2) pick. think you have been skipped but not 100% sure .... too many ciders last night

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Just now, ArsenalRaven666 said:

Not with your 5th (2) pick. think you have been skipped but not 100% sure .... too many ciders last night

As I edit my original post lol

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Elijah Lee is a good linebacker in coverage and athleticism, but his tackling is so soft I don't expect the Ravens to pick him. 

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5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Borland may not have been extremely fast, but he was definitely bursty and quick in short areas. He was just considered too small with short arms. If he were a little bigger and had longer arms, he'd have been a potential first round pick. 

There's no comparison between him and Boulware.

The guy was not athletic at all, I don't know why you guys keep saying that. Maybe revisionist history but the guy was a 4.8 + 40 and his shuttle and cone drills were nothing to write home about. I mean maybe for a guy who is considered primarily a run stuffing LB he was fairly quick but actual athletic LBs in the NFL blew his numbers away and it isn't like the guy was fast on film. There was a lot of talk of him on the forum and I can't recall one time anyone called him athletic.

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9 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

The guy was not athletic at all, I don't know why you guys keep saying that. Maybe revisionist history but the guy was a 4.8 + 40 and his shuttle and cone drills were nothing to write home about. I mean maybe for a guy who is considered primarily a run stuffing LB he was fairly quick but actual athletic LBs in the NFL blew his numbers away and it isn't like the guy was fast on film. There was a lot of talk of him on the forum and I can't recall one time anyone called him athletic.

Yeah athletic isn't what I'd use to describe him.  Borland was successful because of his insane instincts, great discipline, intelligence, and strength.  If there's one area where he stood out "athletically" it's his strength.

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39 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yeah athletic isn't what I'd use to describe him.  Borland was successful because of his insane instincts, great discipline, intelligence, and strength.  If there's one area where he stood out "athletically" it's his strength.

Yeah he was definitely strong, I remember him standing up Hyde a couple times on film when watching him. I don't remember anyone saying he was quick or athletic though, I remember most people had him pegged as a run stuffer with short arms and that those short arms would kill him at the next level. And that was when I was super active on the draft forums when I actually had this thing called free time as opposed to now haha

But yeah I am not saying Boulware is athletic but guys who have been considered pretty unathletic at LB have done pretty well in the past. It is one of few positions where athleticism isn't a requirement to be successful. 

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3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah he was definitely strong, I remember him standing up Hyde a couple times on film when watching him. I don't remember anyone saying he was quick or athletic though, I remember most people had him pegged as a run stuffer with short arms and that those short arms would kill him at the next level. And that was when I was super active on the draft forums when I actually had this thing called free time as opposed to now haha

But yeah I am not saying Boulware is athletic but guys who have been considered pretty unathletic at LB have done pretty well in the past. It is one of few positions where athleticism isn't a requirement to be successful. 

Agreed. For what it's worth, I don't think Boulware has near the instincts and that's why I'm not big on him as more than a late rounder. 

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3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Agreed. For what it's worth, I don't think Boulware has near the instincts and that's why I'm not big on him as more than a late rounder. 

Yeah Borland had those in spades, which made it even more odd when he retired. Always seemed like a guy who loved the game.

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Sorry for the wait I didn't even know I was up until I checked and I had to double check because at  first I was confused lol .

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I've learned my lesson from last time to not name names... but holy hell man, there are still some guys available in this draft who I personally still have at worst 3rd round grades on...

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Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

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1 hour ago, -Truth- said:

Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

Good pick - I'd forgotten about price - am surprised he lasted this long though

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1 hour ago, -Truth- said:

Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

I do believe this is a good place for price.  Even though he is very inconsistent with his effort at times, I feel with the right coaching and motivation, coaches can put him in the position to succeed.  Good pick.

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2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

Good pick - I'd forgotten about price - am surprised he lasted this long though

Thank you kindly. The North Carolina tape put him on the map for me.

 

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

I do believe this is a good place for price.  Even though he is very inconsistent with his effort at times, I feel with the right coaching and motivation, coaches can put him in the position to succeed.  Good pick.

Agreed on both accounts with regards to the inconsistency and coaching. It's not something he can get away with at the next level if he wants to be a full-time starter, so I hope it'll motivate him. Thanks.

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14 hours ago, -Truth- said:

Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

I might be in the minority here, but I think Price ends up being one of those guys that will have trouble converting collegiate success to the next level. I think this is a decent range to take him and its still a pretty good pick, but I got my doubts. He's really small for an edge rusher, height wise. 

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15 hours ago, -Truth- said:

Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

While I don't see more than a DPR, I think he's going to be a darn good one. He looks unstoppable at times as a pass rusher.

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2 hours ago, ravensnick said:

I might be in the minority here, but I think Price ends up being one of those guys that will have trouble converting collegiate success to the next level. I think this is a decent range to take him and its still a pretty good pick, but I got my doubts. He's really small for an edge rusher, height wise. 

I question him a bit against the run but he looks pretty good rushing the passer and could do really well as a DPR, has a lot of explosion

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16 hours ago, -Truth- said:

Went with Price after some long deliberation. His level of effort when the play is nearing its end is questionable, and he slows down when facing double teams, but the flashes are impressive. He's explosive, twitchy, uses his height to gain advantage in leverage battles, has a plan of attack when facing OTs as far as counter-moves go, and he has an extensive range of moves. He could develop into a solid situational pass rusher and perhaps may challenge for a starting role down the road.

I wish you had decided the other way...

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Doesnt look like @arnie_uk will be on to make his pick given the time and will be skipped again.

Could someone post round 5 picks/selections in the draft board as i dont think everyone is following this round well and would be helpful.  Seems like the bottom has fallen out of this thing

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Sorry guys. I haven't been around much this weekend other than on mobile. Can't promise I'll be around too much going forward either. I'll update the end of the 4th round tomorrow. 

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11 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Sorry guys. I haven't been around much this weekend other than on mobile. Can't promise I'll be around too much going forward either. I'll update the end of the 4th round tomorrow. 

I can take the rest from here.

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10 hours ago, ravensnick said:

I might be in the minority here, but I think Price ends up being one of those guys that will have trouble converting collegiate success to the next level. I think this is a decent range to take him and its still a pretty good pick, but I got my doubts. He's really small for an edge rusher, height wise. 

I understand the concern and I appreciate the complement. Truth be told, I'm more worried about the medical concern and the inconsistent effort level. With regards to his height, I feel that he constantly uses his stature as an advantage in tandem with his first step. From a technique stand point, it looks like he has the raw bases of the outside moves down pat. Be it the bend and burst, the dip and rip, I thought he put on a clinic during the North Carolina game alone (Link1, Link2, Link3, Link4, Link5). Amassing success against both OTs, Price forced them into short setting and hop stepping almost immediately into their pass blocking sets. The spin move on the OG was mostly textbook (Link). He's playing half the man, he rushes upfield on the guard's outside shoulder, he keeps his inside arm extended to maintain separation, then he waits until the guard shifts his weight into him, drops his hips, and plants with his outside foot to swing back inside. There was also a semblance of the speed bull rush (Link). It could use some polish as the third step push-off with his outside leg is somewhat rounded, but he effectively puts the overcompensating OT on his heels and pushes him into Mitchell Trubisky two seconds into the play. The latter sentiment in general is what stood out in my eyes because he wasn't a clean up artist or a second effort rusher but rather a player who could consistently win within the first three seconds of the play. It wasn't limited to just the North Carolina game. He also showed off the double swipe against Virginia (Link), or an aforementioned speed rush against Penn State (Link). He's also not a liability in the running game where he also uses his explosion and balance to his advantage (Link1, Link2, Link3) He has a fair amount of polish in the pass rushing department, which makes sense considering that he's an older prospect. The downside to his age is that he's likely filled out, but he has a stocky frame, and the moves he utilizes are arguably translatable. The James Harrison and Elvis Dumervil examples have been thrown around in almost every scouting report with regards to offsetting height as a negative trait, and rightfully so, but we've also seen the likes of Robert Mathis be able to consistently win with an outside arsenal while bending low to the ground (Link1, Link2). I'm certainly not name dropping those three as my expectations for Price. But I do like his upside, at least as a pass rushing specialist.

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9 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

I question him a bit against the run but he looks pretty good rushing the passer and could do really well as a DPR, has a lot of explosion

 

11 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

While I don't see more than a DPR, I think he's going to be a darn good one. He looks unstoppable at times as a pass rusher.

Thank you, fellas. Helps to know that others like his potential as a pass rusher.

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Love the price pick and the analysis is spot on from what I've viewed. He's the type of guy we'd draft in real life. 

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